Things that make you go hmmmmm.....part ??

[PaceAdvantage]

China 'killed or jailed up to 20 US spies in 2010-12'

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/21/china-killed-jailed-20-us-spies-2010-12/

Who was Secretary of State during that time frame? Who operated a private email server while Secretary of State, that is now being reported as being hacked by the Chinese?

Clinton Deathsquad now takes on a whole new meaning, doesn't it?

Nah...she should still be walking free...nothing to see there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF2ayWcJfxo

[JustRalph]

Not only did they hack it, they had almost real time access.

She used it to exchange emails with Obama. And the Chinese were reading them seconds later.

Good God, we are fools......

[Tom]

Benghazi, Part Deux.

Obama and Hillary need to be investigated and tried for murder and treason. All this whoop-de-doo about collusion - a cover up for the REAL criminals.

But the left is far too STUPID to ever get it.

[elysiantraveller]

I find it interesting that whenever bad news comes out about the previous administration things always go "straight to the top!" but when several people involved with the current Administration are actually going to prison for breaking the law its...

"NO COLLUSION!"
"WITCH HUNT!"

Etc. etc.

Investigation is certainly warranted here but I highly doubt the Secretary or State or the President were directly linked with the leaking of information regarding CIA informants.

[PaceAdvantage]

I find it more interesting that there is all this actual evidence popping up about Clinton and nobody seems to care.

I guess you're OK that the Chinese had basically real-time access to Hillary's private email server where she conducted SoS business...good to hear.

Let it go. It's in the past...I get it. The statute of limitations on treason has probably already run out...good thing Trump only committed his treason in Helsinki a short time ago...plenty of time to get him on that.

[FantasticDan]

Good God, we are fools......
Ralph got something right! :eek: :lol:

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/08/fbi-refutes-trump-claim-that-clintons-private-email-server-was-hacked-by-china/

[PaceAdvantage]

Investigation is certainly warranted here but I highly doubt the Secretary or State or the President were directly linked with the leaking of information regarding CIA informants.Is that what you call it when the Chinese hack your email server? A leak?

[tucker6]

but when several people involved with the current Administration are actually going to prison for breaking the law its...

"NO COLLUSION!"
"WITCH HUNT!"


Can you name one specific person not named Flynn who falls under the broad category you describe above?

[PaceAdvantage]

Ralph got something right! :eek: :lol:

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/08/fbi-refutes-trump-claim-that-clintons-private-email-server-was-hacked-by-china/Whose ostrich head is buried now, comrade?

[tucker6]

Can you name one specific person not named Flynn who falls under the broad category you describe above?

Elysian,

I hope you are able to see this post, and haven't been shadow banned by the right wing PA admin. You usually respond within seconds of posts directed at you, so was surprised that you haven't answered this one yet.

Maybe the size of the list is daunting and still being compiled, and if so, out of concern for your time, maybe you could just list the first 4-5 that come to mind.

:)

[JustRalph]

Yep, I believe every statement the FBI says nowadays

[elysiantraveller]

Elysian,

I hope you are able to see this post, and haven't been shadow banned by the right wing PA admin. You usually respond within seconds of posts directed at you, so was surprised that you haven't answered this one yet.

Maybe the size of the list is daunting and still being compiled, and if so, out of concern for your time, maybe you could just list the first 4-5 that come to mind.

:)

Manafort, Gates, Papadopoulos... Cohen too...

[elysiantraveller]

Is that what you call it when the Chinese hack your email server? A leak?

I'm just not connecting the dots you are...

Clinton email hacked = bad.

Clinton email hacked = buncha dead Chinese moles.

Why not peg it on Feinstein's driver instead?

Its just a reach it seems.

[tucker6]

Manafort, Gates, Papadopoulos... Cohen too...

Your exact quote was, "people involved with the current Administration". So in your own words, anyone involved at any time past or present is fair game to associate with a president in office? Because that's what you are saying in so many words. So Rev Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan and Jesse Jackson, would they be racists that one could associate with Obama in your opinion?

[tucker6]

I'm just not connecting the dots you are...

Clinton email hacked = bad.

Clinton email hacked = buncha dead Chinese moles.

Why not peg it on Feinstein's driver instead?

Its just a reach it seems.
Yoga instructors have nothing on you my friend. Your mental gymnastic skills are par excellence.

[elysiantraveller]

Your exact quote was, "people involved with the current Administration". So in your own words, anyone involved at any time past or present is fair game to associate with a president in office? Because that's what you are saying in so many words. So Rev Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan and Jesse Jackson, would they be racists that one could associate with Obama in your opinion?

Sorry I'll amend to include campaign...

Yoga instructors have nothing on you my friend. Your mental gymnastic skills are par excellence.

What are you talking about?

I'm not the one arguing that Hillary's hacked email account (apparently disputed by the FBI) by China is what led to the killing of a bunch of CIA sources in China.

I guess its possible... <shrug>... but it seems like a reach at this point.

I don't even know why Hillary, as Secretary of State, would even have details on those operations... it doesn't make any sense.

[tucker6]

Sorry I'll amend to include campaign...



What are you talking about?

I'm not the one arguing that Hillary's email account (apparently disputed by the FBI) by China is what led to the killing of a bunch of CIA sources in China.

I guess its possible... <shrug>... but it seems like a reach at this point.

So again I ask, are people associated with a president or candidate, however tangentially, a pox on that president or candidate if they themselves were not a party to the bad actions of others? You brought all this up. I'm just trying to pin down your true position here.

[tucker6]

Sorry I'll amend to include campaign...



What are you talking about?

I'm not the one arguing that Hillary's hacked email account (apparently disputed by the FBI) by China is what led to the killing of a bunch of CIA sources in China.

I guess its possible... <shrug>... but it seems like a reach at this point.
I kindly suggest you be more cynical in life. It will get you further in life with fewer WTF moments.

[elysiantraveller]

I kindly suggest you be more cynical in life. It will get you further in life with fewer WTF moments.

What I find amazing is the conspiracy under every rock if it makes the prior administration look bad...

But with the current administration/campaign where conspiracy abounds it gets called a "witch hunt."

If we want to investigate Hillary... again... for like the 90th time... go for it I guess.

It just seems a bit early to be blaming her for a busted CIA operation 10 years ago... especially since there isn't any mention of her in the source material so...

[tucker6]

What I find amazing is the conspiracy under every rock if it makes the prior administration look bad...

But with the current administration/campaign where conspiracy abounds it gets called a "witch hunt."

If we want to investigate Hillary... again... for like the 90th time... go for it I guess.

It just seems a bit early to be blaming her for a busted CIA operation 10 years ago... especially since there isn't any mention of her in the source material so...
What does that have to do with my comment? I'm just asking you to be more cynical in life. I personally (not accusing you of this) do not put any public figure on a pedestal. In that way, I then realize they do the same scummy things that the rest of society does, and probably moreso since power is a drug.
I do not doubt for a second that some people in every govt organization put personal feelings ahead of the national interest and act on those feelings. No doubt in my mind. It is how life actually works.

[PaceAdvantage]

Sorry I'll amend to include campaign...



What are you talking about?

I'm not the one arguing that Hillary's hacked email account (apparently disputed by the FBI) by China is what led to the killing of a bunch of CIA sources in China.

I guess its possible... <shrug>... but it seems like a reach at this point.

I don't even know why Hillary, as Secretary of State, would even have details on those operations... it doesn't make any sense.Maybe we can apply the current MSM Trump madness to Hillary.

I mean, if this were Trump's email server, they'd spin a narrative that the Chinese hacked in, blackmailed Hillary, and forced her to divulge the names of US Assets in China...how's that?

They had KOMPROMAT on Hillary...:pound:

Don't you just love the media erections every time they get to use the word KOMPROMAT? I see it every single time.

[OntheRail]

Maybe we can apply the current MSM Trump madness to Hillary.

I mean, if this were Trump's email server, they'd spin a narrative that the Chinese hacked in, blackmailed Hillary, and forced her to divulge the names of US Assets in China...how's that?

They had KOMPROMAT on Hillary...:pound:

Don't you just love the media erections every time they get to use the word KOMPROMAT? I see it every single time.

Now Now... we know Ol' Hill was all about the MONEY. She sold it... I mean, shared it for a donations and future speaking engagements for Bill.. All on the up and up just ask her.

[elysiantraveller]

Maybe we can apply the current MSM Trump madness to Hillary.

I mean, if this were Trump's email server, they'd spin a narrative that the Chinese hacked in, blackmailed Hillary, and forced her to divulge the names of US Assets in China...how's that?

They had KOMPROMAT on Hillary...:pound:

Don't you just love the media erections every time they get to use the word KOMPROMAT? I see it every single time.

I get the whole minimizing my side vs. maximizing theirs thing.

But we're at the point now where we are trying to create equivalency where there really isn't any...

Your OP here is damn good and whats sad is I can see groups taking it and running with it attempting to maximize the sin of Hillary why ignoring the still unknown sin of the President...

Its crazy... but the internet makes it possible.

Like take no offense... but what you posted is crack-pot theory... its good... but pretty crack-pot... and are comparing it to whats happening with the Trump investigations.

In this weird way I envy you and think you should be in a room creating propaganda for the "powers that be"...

[VigorsTheGrey]

I'm just not connecting the dots you are...

Clinton email hacked = bad.

Clinton email hacked = buncha dead Chinese moles.

Why not peg it on Feinstein's driver instead?

Its just a reach it seems.
And yet the hypocrisy that is our own government acts the same or worse viv-a-vis other governments...not to mention spying on its OWN PEOPLE...who really knows how many “foreign agents” our country has taken out clandestinely in the perceived context of ensuring our national security...political assacination of heads of state was at one time illegal in the USA...not anymore...

Our internal security apparatus has become a state within a state run largely by vested interests of one form or another...right now those interests appear to be aligned against Trump and his so-called alliance with Russia’s Putin...but either way, we no longer live in a Republic, our so-called representatives are virtually powerless to control the massive economic and financial over-lordship dominating all our lives...

Trump seems to be some sort of rival to that status-quo over-lordship, but nonetheless, his style is autocratic and bossy politically...he has much in common with Putin in his respect, whom he admires, or at least speaks somewhat favorably of...which is a great concern....

...Because the election of Trump marks a devastating milepost in the overall trend toward oligarchical collectivism along the lines predicted by Orwell...the proto-type of the one-party boss of the one-party State...ala Putin, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Castro only without the communistic/ socialistic stigma....

The goal has alway been to control the assets of the world in PRIVATE HANDS...Communism was a ruse to effect those ends, initiated by the capitalists themselves to provide a cover to rape countries using terror in the service of greed and power...

...The persona of Donald Trump is merely a softer form of Putin...

[PaceAdvantage]

Your OP here is damn good and whats sad is I can see groups taking it and running with it attempting to maximize the sin of Hillary why ignoring the still unknown sin of the President...You said it.

"The still UNKNOWN SIN."

That's THE sad part. But you don't address that because you're absolutely no fan of Trump, so you're happy to see this happening.

So are we really that much different?

[elysiantraveller]

You said it.

"The still UNKNOWN SIN."

That's THE sad part. But you don't address that because you're absolutely no fan of Trump, so you're happy to see this happening.

So are we really that much different?

Where there is smoke there is usually fire.

That's why you investigate.

I still don't think in regards to Russia that Trump has actually done anything illegal. I could be wrong but whatever... he does act guilty AF.

In the meantime the investigation has successfully brought charges and convictions against criminals.

I'm okay with letting it continue.

Trump supporters aren't. They seek to undermine, misdirect, and mislead people at every single turn. That goes all the way to the top...

"Mueller is crooked." "Its a deep state conspiracy." "Sessions is in on it." "Blah blah blah..."

Its all misdirection.

Just let them do their jobs and see what happens... in the meantime if we need to investigate Hillary for the 50th time... so be it. I'm not optimistic of the outcome but...

[tucker6]

... in the meantime if we need to honestly investigate Hillary for the 1st time... so be it...

FIFY

[PaceAdvantage]

The point of all this?

There's as much "smoke" and "story" here about possible Foreign Entities (CHINESE??...RUSSIAN??) hacking into Hillary's bathroom server as there is with Trump/Russia/Collusion-Obstruction.

One was treated with kid gloves and exonerated before she was even fully investigated, while the other is having half the resources of the intelligence communities invested in the investigation (well, probably not, considering that whole dossier debacle, but that's another story for another day).

[elysiantraveller]

The point of all this?

There's as much "smoke" and "story" here about possible Foreign Entities (CHINESE??...RUSSIAN??) hacking into Hillary's bathroom server as there is with Trump/Russia/Collusion-Obstruction.

One was treated with kid gloves and exonerated before she was even fully investigated, while the other is having half the resources of the intelligence communities invested in the investigation (well, probably not, considering that whole dossier debacle, but that's another story for another day).

Fine investigate her again.

Still has ZERO bearing on what is going on with the Trump investigation.

[PaceAdvantage]

Still has ZERO bearing on what is going on with the Trump investigation.Who ever said or even hinted that it did?

[boxcar]

Where there is smoke there is usually fire.

That's why you investigate.

I still don't think in regards to Russia that Trump has actually done anything illegal. I could be wrong but whatever... he does act guilty AF.

In the meantime the investigation has successfully brought charges and convictions against criminals.

I'm okay with letting it continue.

Trump supporters aren't. They seek to undermine, misdirect, and mislead people at every single turn. That goes all the way to the top...

"Mueller is crooked." "Its a deep state conspiracy." "Sessions is in on it." "Blah blah blah..."

Its all misdirection.

Just let them do their jobs and see what happens... in the meantime if we need to investigate Hillary for the 50th time... so be it. I'm not optimistic of the outcome but...

Ahh...if it weren't for all those deplorable "Trump supporters" Mueller would have by now gotten to the source of the fire that is producing that smoke, right?

[boxcar]

Fine investigate her again.

Still has ZERO bearing on what is going on with the Trump investigation.

Really? Has it ever occurred to you that between the Witch and Dumbo Ears there is soooooo much dirt that they had to create out of whole cloth Trump crimes to cover their own rear ends?

[Tom]

You can't fix stupid.
The Hillary-bots march in lockstep, one mind, one message.
Thinking for themselves just suckses.

[fast4522]

You can't fix stupid.
The Hillary-bots march in lockstep, one mind, one message.
Thinking for themselves just suckses.

Keeps liquor distributors happy.

[VigorsTheGrey]

China 'killed or jailed up to 20 US spies in 2010-12'

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/21/china-killed-jailed-20-us-spies-2010-12/

Who was Secretary of State during that time frame? Who operated a private email server while Secretary of State, that is now being reported as being hacked by the Chinese?

Clinton Deathsquad now takes on a whole new meaning, doesn't it?

Nah...she should still be walking free...nothing to see there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF2ayWcJfxo


Why has China killed our people? What were they doing over there to warrant their deaths at the hand's of Chinese rulers...how dare they kill our people... There should be repercussions...otherwise, what's to prevent them from killing more of our people...they make so much money selling their trash to us anyhow and this is the way they treat us..?

[PaceAdvantage]

Whatever you say, man.