Deal with Mexico

[RunForTheRoses]

Trump announces 'incredible' trade deal with Mexico - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45323634

[lamboguy]

you have to give Trump plenty of credit, he knows how to cut great deals.

[woodtoo]

Mexico just paid for the wall! Uh huh.

[JustRalph]

Mexico says Jared got it done

[chadk66]

Only thing that matters is that it wasn't Obama or Hillary that got it done.

[barahona44]

Governments mandating wage levels?Hopefully, there's no unintended cosnsequences.

[chadk66]

there's unintended consequences with everything done in D.C.

[elysiantraveller]

When Republicans tell other countries they have to raise wages but freak out when minimum wage gets talked about domestically.

:lol::lol::lol:

Can't wait to hear the mental gymnastics for this...

[chadk66]

He didn’t tell anybody they had to raise wages. He simply said to qualify for the deal those employees had to be working for $16 an hour minimum. They can pay whatever they want. It’s no different than for example the Davis bacon wage scale. If you want to certain projects it requires certain labor payments. Nobody is requiring anybody to bid those jobs.

[elysiantraveller]

He didn’t tell anybody they had to raise wages. He simply said to qualify for the deal those employees had to be working for $16 an hour minimum. They can pay whatever they want. It’s no different than for example the Davis bacon wage scale. If you want to certain projects it requires certain labor payments. Nobody is requiring anybody to bid those jobs.

It is nothing of the sort. It is raising the minimum wage of the Mexican automotive industry in order to ink a trade deal.

Why are you against laws requiring McDonalds to pay $15/hr.? Same logic applies here.

[chrisl]

The new wage, might give some incentive, to stay in Mexico and bettor your life.

[elysiantraveller]

The new wage, might give some incentive, to stay in Mexico and bettor your life.

The new wage drives up costs on consumers.

[elysiantraveller]

Car prices projected to jump under Trump trade agreement with Mexico (https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2018/08/27/trade-deal-mexico-nafta-car-prices/1113586002/)

“The new agreement will push production costs higher on Mexican products — parts and vehicles — which, eventually, will be paid by American consumers," said Michelle Krebs, executive analyst at Autotrader, the car-shopping website owned by Cox Automotive.

Current GOP: We can't raise minimum wage because it would ruin the economy passing costs on to consumers...

Also Current GOP: Raises minimum wage of Mexican Auto Workers...

[3 hole tripp]

you have to give Trump plenty of credit, he knows how to cut great deals.

Sure even the deals to silence the women right? Oh wait that's right he didn't know anything about THESE DEALS yet he is the great deal maker. He is a phony, a fraud and a daily LIAR to the American people. He stands for one thing, to move the agenda of the Trump family.

[PaceAdvantage]

Sure even the deals to silence the women right? Oh wait that's right he didn't know anything about THESE DEALS yet he is the great deal maker. He is a phony, a fraud and a daily LIAR to the American people. He stands for one thing, to move the agenda of the Trump family.The Trump family...:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

You do realize his family and all their businesses have taken nothing but giant HITS since he ran for and won the presidency, right?

I know you think that's a good thing, and that's fine, but don't try and make it like he and his family are getting rich off this gig.

I have to be the one to point this out to you because I know ely won't.

Trump and his entire family would have been MUCH BETTER OFF business-wise had Trump just stayed on 5th avenue and never thought about running for president.

[chrisl]

Car prices projected to jump under Trump trade agreement with Mexico (https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2018/08/27/trade-deal-mexico-nafta-car-prices/1113586002/)



Current GOP: We can't raise minimum wage because it would ruin the economy passing costs on to consumers...

Also Current GOP: Raises minimum wage of Mexican Auto Workers...

Detroit Free Press....:lol:..What a reach. If a deal was to lower wages...You would be spewing how he is ruining family's.. Spin Dr, Spin.

[elysiantraveller]

Detroit Free Press....:lol:..What a reach. If a deal was to lower wages...You would be spewing how he is ruining family's.. Spin Dr, Spin.

Yes...

This forum is littered with examples of me calling for government interference in setting wages...

:lol::lol::lol:

Nice dodge though... I gathered you wouldn't really have a comeback. Didn't disappoint.

Or are you referring to the lowering of Farm Incomes and the new batch of welfare bailouts to help them out?

[Clocker]

You do realize his family and all their businesses have taken nothing but giant HITS since he ran for and won the presidency, right?

I know you think that's a good thing, and that's fine, but don't try and make it like he and his family are getting rich off this gig.


If Trump was half as smart as he thinks he is, he would have known this was inevitable, especially given his fragile ego. Same for his family members who opted to get openly involved in the administration.

It's not about getting rich, it's about ego. They knew there would be heat. If they can't stand it, they should have stayed out of the kitchen.

George Bush kept his family out of it and the press left them alone. Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama were highly visible and vocal, and got heat, at least from the conservative side.

[PaceAdvantage]

If Trump was half as smart as he thinks he is, he would have known this was inevitable, especially given his fragile ego. Same for his family members who opted to get openly involved in the administration.

It's not about getting rich, it's about ego. They knew there would be heat. If they can't stand it, they should have stayed out of the kitchen.

George Bush kept his family out of it and the press left them alone. Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama were highly visible and vocal, and got heat, at least from the conservative side.Who said they can't stand it? Obviously, they can, or they wouldn't be doing it.

I'm just trying to counter the myth that they are profiting handsomely from this endeavor. Didn't Ivanka just basically shut down her clothing company?

Oh yes, that's right, she is:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/24/business/ivanka-trump-brand-clothing.html

Must be because she is RAKING IT IN riding daddy's presidential coattails.

So many myths...so little time...

[reckless]

When Republicans tell other countries they have to raise wages but freak out when minimum wage gets talked about domestically.

:lol::lol::lol:

Can't wait to hear the mental gymnastics for this...

You're the only one on here that gets worked up over stuff like this.

[elysiantraveller]

You're the only one on here that gets worked up over stuff like this.

Yep...

I'm actually a limited government guy.

[Tom]

The new wage drives up costs on consumers.

And creates many NEW consumers.
Are you suggesting slavery is a good economic option?

[Tom]

NASDEA up 16% to over 8,000 for the first time.
DOW wihtin 2% of a new record an hour ago.
Amazon and Apple at all time highs.

Man, I don't know if we can take much of this TRUMP FAMILY windfall! :pound: :pound:

How selfish of them.

[reckless]

If Trump was half as smart as he thinks he is, he would have known this was inevitable, especially given his fragile ego. Same for his family members who opted to get openly involved in the administration.

It's not about getting rich, it's about ego. They knew there would be heat. If they can't stand it, they should have stayed out of the kitchen.

George Bush kept his family out of it and the press left them alone. Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama were highly visible and vocal, and got heat, at least from the conservative side.

It shouldn't matter if Trump is only half as smart as he thinks he is as long as he's twice as smart as everyone else -- such as his critics in government, in the media and especially right here on PA-OT, which he is and has proven to be since July 2015.

Most of those campaign issues and promises Trump ran on that the Trump bashers said he would not or could not get done, Trump actually did it. Need I list them for you? Nah, I won't because we all know what's he's done despite the distain and criticism for the guy. And all this success within just 18 months. Wow.

As for the press leaving the Bush family alone, I recall countless stories in print and on air about those Bush girls getting drunk all the time, and party-hardying to all hours of the night. Where were the 'journalists' when the older Obama girl admitted to taking pot, just like daddy? And she was much younger than the Bush daughters at the time, IIRC.

[PaceAdvantage]

Like everyone on here, they have selective memories.

Now all of a sudden, the left on here was and still is, in love with John McCain...:pound::pound::pound:

As if.

[reckless]

Yep...

I'm actually a limited government guy.

Sure, we all are ... yet I am pretty certain if an Obama did the exact same deal as Trump did, you wouldn't be tying yourself in knots.

Just saying... you were fairly quiet about Obama's over-reaching when he had the office. Plus the GOP's complicity in the over spending and intrusion part of their agenda too at the time. Quiet like a church mouse about the GOP's role in all this mess that Trump is changing.

Bottom line: it's just another great Trump success that you really can't stomach which is the main probable cause for your 'concern'.

[3 hole tripp]

The Trump family...:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

You do realize his family and all their businesses have taken nothing but giant HITS since he ran for and won the presidency, right?

I know you think that's a good thing, and that's fine, but don't try and make it like he and his family are getting rich off this gig.

I have to be the one to point this out to you because I know ely won't.

Trump and his entire family would have been MUCH BETTER OFF business-wise had Trump just stayed on 5th avenue and never thought about running for president.

Non sense

There is not a thing Trump or his family did EVER to help another common folk. Everything he has ever done is too enrich his IMAGE, wealth and power for him and him only. It is all about him and only him.
Let us remember he is a capitalist at heart whose nature is to crush working people.

[PaceAdvantage]

Non sense

There is not a thing Trump or his family did EVER to help another common folk. Everything he has ever done is too enrich his IMAGE, wealth and power for him and him only. It is all about him and only him.
Let us remember he is a capitalist at heart whose nature is to crush working people.I never said he wasn't selfish.

What I said is, running for President and being President hasn't enriched him, his business, or his family's businesses. In fact, it's done just the opposite.

That was your original claim - "He stands for one thing, to move the agenda of the Trump family."

Trump has been talking about running for President since the 80s. This wasn't a "hey, I just woke up one day in 2015 and thought I'd run for President just to see if I can get richer off of it."

Stop with the myths.

[elysiantraveller]

Sure, we all are ... yet I am pretty certain if an Obama did the exact same deal as Trump did, you wouldn't be tying yourself in knots.

Just saying... you were fairly quiet about Obama's over-reaching when he had the office. Plus the GOP's complicity in the over spending and intrusion part of their agenda too at the time. Quiet like a church mouse about the GOP's role in all this mess that Trump is changing.

Bottom line: it's just another great Trump success that you really can't stomach which is the main probable cause for your 'concern'.

No...

I wasn't.

You say you are for limited government but support tariff policy, wage manipulation, and government subsidies... Okay, bro enjoy your card.

https://i.imgur.com/P3uEbue.jpg

[Tom]

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[elysiantraveller]

And creates many NEW consumers.
Are you suggesting slavery is a good economic option?

No Tom... I'm suggesting paying people what their job is ****ing worth and not having Uncle Sam make that decision.

Lets raise minimum wage too right?

You know... because slavery is bad...?

Your words not mine.

[Clocker]

Most of those campaign issues and promises Trump ran on that the Trump bashers said he would not or could not get done, Trump actually did it.


You mean like build The Wall? Deport 12 million illegals? Repeal and replace ObamaCare with something terrific? Balance the budget? Defund Planned Parenthood? Reduce the federal debt? Rebuild the country's infrastructure? Get out of NAFTA?


Has he even taken a meaningful first step on any of those things?

[PaceAdvantage]

Nope, hasn't done a thing on any of that stuff. Not one iota.

Which is why the world is falling apart, the USA is sliding off a cliff, and consumers are so upset with the increase of prices due to tariffs, that CC is only at an 18-year high.

Yes, more than one thread is necessary, I guess, today.

[elysiantraveller]

Nope, hasn't done a thing on any of that stuff. Not one iota.

Which is why the world is falling apart, the USA is sliding off a cliff, and consumers are so upset with the increase of prices due to tariffs, that CC is only at an 18-year high.

Yes, more than one thread is necessary, I guess, today.

When in doubt... cite an article the economy is strong... which nobody is denying by the way...

The economy was pretty strong throughout the Obama era too... doesn't mean he implemented good policy to maximize it.

Deflect away now. I got used to it with Hcap and Mosty for years... only fitting.

[elysiantraveller]

You mean like build The Wall? Deport 12 million illegals? Repeal and replace ObamaCare with something terrific? Balance the budget? Defund Planned Parenthood? Reduce the federal debt? Rebuild the country's infrastructure? Get out of NAFTA?


Has he even taken a meaningful first step on any of those things?

Ultimately this is just a sham to deflect away from what's been an atrocious
week long news cycle for the Administration.

Its the usual targets... trade (this deal is DOA in Congress btw) and the media (google being investigated. :lol:).

[PaceAdvantage]

Ultimately this is just a sham to deflect away from what's been an atrocious
week long news cycle for the Administration.An atrocious news cycle that didn't seem to move the needle downward in the NBC/WSJ opinion polls.

I guess I'm not the only one who doesn't care.

[PaceAdvantage]

When in doubt... cite an article the economy is strong... which nobody is denying by the way...

The economy was pretty strong throughout the Obama era too... doesn't mean he implemented good policy to maximize it.

Deflect away now. I got used to it with Hcap and Mosty for years... only fitting.There's nothing that can be done, said, or written that will satisfy you.

Your only goal here is to CHUM, to use FanDan's favorite term.

Everything Trump does is wrong, every move he makes has unintended consequences he was too dumb to see, blah blah blah

When are YOU going to run for President? We should always strive to elect the smartest kid on the block.

So...when will you announce?

You've got my vote locked up, that's for certain.

[elysiantraveller]

There's nothing that can be done, said, or written that will satisfy you.

Your only goal here is to CHUM, to use FanDan's favorite term.

Everything Trump does is wrong, every move he makes has unintended consequences he was too dumb to see, blah blah blah

When are YOU going to run for President? We should always strive to elect the smartest kid on the block.

So...when will you announce?

You've got my vote locked up, that's for certain.

Why don't you instead propagate an opinion of your own on an issue?

Should the United States be demanding that Mexico pay its auto-workers more as part of a wider trade deal?

Will increased labor costs harm consumers in regards to prices?

Is it the business of ANY government to set prices for goods and labor?

These are pretty straightforward economic questions that Trump supporters flip flop on routinely because of WSJ/NBC polls, Consumer Confidence Polls, etc. etc.

Instead of actually being willing to say, "hey this is what I believe regardless of who is in office..."

You know who has been arguing for price fixes, wage laws, and protectionism for decades?

Liberals

This talk of raising the wages of competitive labor is straight out of the playbook of the AFL-CIO.

[PaceAdvantage]

Why don't you instead propagate an opinion of your own on an issue?Why should I? Just to be called a fascist? An idiot? A hypocrite because you'll drag up something from 7 years ago?

No thank you sir. I'm done trying to compete with the smartest kid on the block.

PS. When are we going to play WoW? lmao

[elysiantraveller]

Why should I? Just to be called a fascist? An idiot? A hypocrite because you'll drag up something from 7 years ago?

No thank you sir. I'm done trying to compete with the smartest kid on the block.

PS. When are we going to play WoW? lmao

The point is with Obama it was at least in the open... he's a leftist.

At least they were honest about it.

Here though you folks are completely bought into this Adminstation and its bullshit hook, line, and sinker.

It's a leftist/socialist agenda.

As far as WOWS its ranked season and I doubt you have the ships. What lines and tiers are ya at?

[Clocker]

Nope, hasn't done a thing on any of that stuff. Not one iota.

Which is why the world is falling apart, the USA is sliding off a cliff, and consumers are so upset with the increase of prices due to tariffs, that CC is only at an 18-year high.


I was simply fact-checking the claims made by another poster. I don't see how any of the above is relevant to those facts.

[PaceAdvantage]

As far as WOWS its ranked season and I doubt you have the ships. What lines and tiers are ya at?I'm not up to ranked play yet...soon though...I think I am tier V or VI on one of my battleships...I have a long way to go...lol...but having fun.

[elysiantraveller]

I'm not up to ranked play yet...soon though...I think I am tier V or VI on one of my battleships...I have a long way to go...lol...but having fun.

Alright...

I'll pick up a Fiji again or just start grinding the IJN cruisers.

[OntheRail]

You mean like build The Wall? Deport 12 million illegals? Repeal and replace ObamaCare with something terrific? Balance the budget? Defund Planned Parenthood? Reduce the federal debt? Rebuild the country's infrastructure? Get out of NAFTA?


Has he even taken a meaningful first step on any of those things?

Is that not what this thread was about... A NEW DEAL A BETTER ONE THEN NAFTA...

Or are you just so in full on bitch mode you forgot... :rolleyes:

[chadk66]

It is nothing of the sort. It is raising the minimum wage of the Mexican automotive industry in order to ink a trade deal.

Why are you against laws requiring McDonalds to pay $15/hr.? Same logic applies here.if he is telling Mexico they have to pay 15 it's probably pesos :lol:

[elysiantraveller]

Is that not what this thread was about... A NEW DEAL A BETTER ONE THEN NAFTA...

Or are you just so in full on bitch mode you forgot... :rolleyes:

How is it a better deal than NAFTA?

It looks like mostly more NAFTA.

[cordoba]

NASDEA up 16% to over 8,000 for the first time.
DOW wihtin 2% of a new record an hour ago.
Amazon and Apple at all time highs.

Man, I don't know if we can take much of this TRUMP FAMILY windfall! :pound: :pound:

How selfish of them.




..............
That crap can go in a nano.

[cordoba]

That dog and pony show was all about Canada. Keep giving the the slow roll.

[Clocker]

How is it a better deal than NAFTA?

It looks like mostly more NAFTA.

The announced next step is for the US and Mexico to take what they have tentatively agreed to and discuss it with Canada. The goal is to renegotiate NAFTA.

If the three parties can't agree, the next step is up in the air. As far as I know, Trump can't sign any agreement with Mexico without Congressional approval, especially changes like this that would change the terms of NAFTA.

[Track Collector]

How is it a better deal than NAFTA?

It looks like mostly more NAFTA.

This from CTH (Conservative Tree House):

In order for Canada to join the U.S. Mexico deal they would need to:


(1) eliminate soft-wood subsidies in the lumber sector;
(2) eliminate protectionist tariffs in the AG (Dairy) sector;
(3) accept the 75% rules of origin, eliminating the NAFTA loophole;
(4) agree to the enforcement mechanisms for all the above;
(5) allow U.S. banks to operate in Canada (financial sector).

Each of these five issues, now locked-in and agreed by the U.S. and Mexico are “take-it-or-leave-it” terms for Canada to join.

**************
Does not sound like current NAFTA or just minor changes to me.

More at this link: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/08/27/justin-from-canada-painted-his-country-into-a-lose-lose-trade-corner-more-details-of-u-s-mexico-deal/

[Tom]

That dog and pony show was all about Canada. Keep giving the the slow roll.

Arf Arf! :headbanger:

[Tom]

In order for Canada to join the U.S. Mexico deal they would need to:

Sounds like a DEAL to me!

[Clocker]

Should the United States be demanding that Mexico pay its auto-workers more as part of a wider trade deal?



Trump has said that Mexican wages have to increase to stop "stealing" jobs from the US. It appears that he and his team of crack trade experts do not understand that the proposed agreement will not do that.

The agreement says that some 40% of the content of cars must come from factories that pay $16/hr in order to be exempt from US tariffs. It does not say that those factories have to be in Mexico.

Almost all non-Nafta content in Mexican-made cars sold in the U.S. comes from Germany, Japan or South Korea, where total compensation typically takes pay well above $16 an hour.https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/trumps-mexico-trade-deal-looks-like-a-lemon/2018/08/28/4abe833c-aa93-11e8-9a7d-cd30504ff902_story.html?utm_term=.2b0224f4b765

[Clocker]

Each of these five issues, now locked-in and agreed by the U.S. and Mexico are “take-it-or-leave-it” terms for Canada to join.

**************
Does not sound like current NAFTA or just minor changes to me.




Those issues would be a change to NAFTA, which would require Congressional approval.

[Track Collector]

Those issues would be a change to NAFTA, which would require Congressional approval.

Will it still be called NAFTA if Canada does not sign on?

And what do you think will happen if Congress does not approve?

[elysiantraveller]

Will it still be called NAFTA if Canada does not sign on?

And what do you think will happen if Congress does not approve?

Canada will not sign on.

Mexico has to get this done before December 1st because their President Elect will kill it.

Congress will not pass it without Canada.

It basically has to be done before the week to have any hope in hell as it can take 90 days on fast track.

[Tom]

So Trump is the only one on the ball and getting it done in DC.

[Clocker]

Will it still be called NAFTA if Canada does not sign on?

And what do you think will happen if Congress does not approve?


The US participation in NAFTA is an act of Congress, signed into law by Bill Clinton. NAFTA is the US law regarding trade between the 3 countries.

If Congress does not approve any changes to that law, it remains in effect as far as this country is concerned. If Mexico or Canada pulled out, I assume Congress would have to pass new laws regarding trade.

[TJDave]

Mexico has to get this done before December 1st because their President Elect will kill it.

Don’t think so. It gives the semblance of supporting workers rights which AMLO supporters desperately need...

Of course, completely unenforceable. ;)