Typical NYRA steward garbage

[depalma113]

Once again they simply can’t make an obvious decision.

[cj]

I think they made the right call and a DQ would have made me a few bucks. Abel came out, Elate came in, probably 65/35 but I don't see how you DQ on that.

[ReplayRandall]

I think they made the right call and a DQ would have made me a few bucks. Abel came out, Elate came in, probably 65/35 but I don't see how you DQ on that.


100% agree, and I had no vested interest in the race......Ridiculous amount of time the stewards spent looking at a jockey's objection.

[anotherCAfan]

Angel Cordero can race ride for all those years, but not Money Mike?

[Redboard]

Mike Smith took that filly out for one reason, to cause interference. Dangerous move that should have been punished. Jose Ortiz did bring Elate a little in to give her a target to look at, but she was behind Abel T. , that's not a dangerous move.

[NY BRED]

watched the head on at least 5 times.

Abel/Smith drifts from the rail into Elate, zero doubt Abel deserved to
be disqualified.

PPS of Able show at least 3 incidents in the last 10 performances
of bumping./ steadied/bothered.

Hard to believe this insanity with the Stewards continues, especisally
on Travers day.

:mad::bang:

[GMB@BP]

I believe a foul is a foul, double dq to last as punishment, one came in one came out............(i bet the third place horse)

[ReplayRandall]

watched the head on at least 5 times.

Abel/Smith drifts from the rail into Elate, zero doubt Abel desreved to
be disqualified.

PPS of Able show at least 3 incidents in the last 10 performances
of bumping./ steadied/bothered.

Hard to believe this insanity with the Stewards continues, especisally
on Travers day.

:mad::bang:


Go see an optometrist Sport, you're 100% blind.... I'm glad people like you put your money in the pools everyday, if not we'd have no game....Thanks, Pal

[Tom]

You can't DQ Baffert - he owns 25% of the track.
They had to give it to him after he broke the bank with all his wins.
:lol:

[Redboard]

You can't DQ Baffert - he owns 25% of the track.
They had to give it to him after he broke the bank with all his wins.
:lol:

Not after just inducting him into the walk of fame.

[PhantomOnTour]

I believe a foul is a foul, double dq to last as punishment, one came in one came out............(i bet the third place horse)

You simply have NO IDEA what you're talking about

[GMB@BP]

You simply have NO IDEA what you're talking about

Your right, thanks for letting me know. :pout:




ps: your telling me that I dont know what I am talking about, when you cant even figure out when a post is a joke?

[v j stauffer]

This was a very easy call. Both horses contributed to contact just before the wire.

No disqualification warranted.

[parlay]

This was a very easy call. Both horses contributed to contact just before the wire.

No disqualification warranted.

People seem to forget that horses don't run on tracks, nothing goes perfectly straight. Correct call.

[classhandicapper]

They got the decision right, but it was a heartbreaker for the connections of Elate. I was at the 1/8th pole and from that vantage point it was pretty clear Elate was running a little better and was going by her. You can’t see it as well from the pan or head on. Horses do come again and Abel Tasman is a champion, but Elate had her.

[metro]

Thought the ride on Elate was similar to Rosario's on Forever Unbridled against Songbird in last year's Personal Ensign, as they hit the 1/8th pole riders keeping their mounts several paths off of the leader so the leader, hopefully, doesn't have a chance to re-engage.

Elate was hanging though so J. Ortiz went to a RH whip while bringing his mount in a few paths, about the same time that Smith, who was on Songbird last year and wasn't going to lose the same way, subtlety let Abel Tasman drift towards her foe.

Smith was more at fault but if Oritz doesn't come in there likely isn't a bump.

[biggestal99]

Sore loser Ortiz can’t believe he could get past Abel on the up and up so he cried to the stewards.

No dice.

Abel was best once again.

Allan

[BIG49010]

Sore loser Ortiz can’t believe he could get past Abel on the up and up so he cried to the stewards.

No dice.

Abel was best once again.

Allan




I think it was more a case of he screwed up, changed hands with his whip, and horse didn't respond and lugged in. He knew he screwed up, and tried to blame Smith.

[NY BRED]

Great thoughts, hopefully one day you will own a thoroughbred and be
involved in a controversial ruling of Thre Blind Mice

:mad::mad::mad:

[GMB@BP]

a foul is a foul would clean this up right quick. cant blame riders for just taking advantage of the way the stewards judge races.

[biggestal99]

Great thoughts, hopefully one day you will own a thoroughbred and be
involved in a controversial ruling of Thre Blind Mice

:mad::mad::mad:

I like the uk rule in which the bettors are not punished because of the jockey.

Jockey gets days but the result stands for the bettors.

Allan

[v j stauffer]

a foul is a foul would clean this up right quick. cant blame riders for just taking advantage of the way the stewards judge races.

The racing rules as currently written are not perfect. When any inquiry involves subjective opinion it's not foolproof.

However there is one fact that is 100% correct.

A foul is a foul. Doesn't work. Has never worked and will NEVER work.

[castaway01]

I like the uk rule in which the bettors are not punished because of the jockey.

Jockey gets days but the result stands for the bettors.

Allan

Right, so you can run a rival through the rail but "the result stands for the bettors".

[HalvOnHorseracing]

100% agree, and I had no vested interest in the race......Ridiculous amount of time the stewards spent looking at a jockey's objection.

Seems to me they've DQ'd for that kind of contact in other races plenty of times. The question is, Are the stewards tougher on what constitutes a foul in a high quality grade 1 race? I suspect the exact same stretch run in a $12,500 claimer on a Thursday would have resulted in a DQ.

[ReplayRandall]

Seems to me they've DQ'd for that kind of contact in other races plenty of times. The question is, Are the stewards tougher on what constitutes a foul in a high quality grade 1 race? I suspect the exact same stretch run in a $12,500 claimer on a Thursday would have resulted in a DQ.


I will remind you that this was a JOCKEY's objection, which took 8 minutes to determine, not a stewards inquiry......Got to be politics in every damn thing.

"Following an objection by the rider of ELATE against the rider of ABEL TASMAN alleging interference, the result was allowed to stand and the race was declared official."

Per Equibase

[thaskalos]

I will remind you that this was a JOCKEY's objection, which took 8 minutes to determine, not a stewards inquiry......Got to be politics in every damn thing.

"Following an objection by the rider of ELATE against the rider of ABEL TASMAN alleging interference, the result was allowed to stand and the race was declared official."

Per Equibase

There have been cases where a mere "jockey's objection" led to a DQ...without the accompaniment of a stewards inquiry. I agree with Halvey. Why this maddening inconsistency in the stewards decisions? Why is this sort of an incident sometimes a DQ...and sometimes not?

[ReplayRandall]

Why is this sort of an incident sometimes a DQ...and sometimes not?


Bottom-line, there's always an outcry of some sort when one of the ORTIZ' brothers is involved.

[v j stauffer]

Seems to me they've DQ'd for that kind of contact in other races plenty of times. The question is, Are the stewards tougher on what constitutes a foul in a high quality grade 1 race? I suspect the exact same stretch run in a $12,500 claimer on a Thursday would have resulted in a DQ.

I never was. Additionally I never worked with a California Steward who took the importance of the race into account.

The rule book is the same for claimers as it is for Grade 1 types.

[v j stauffer]

There have been cases where a mere "jockey's objection" led to a DQ...without the accompaniment of a stewards inquiry. I agree with Halvey. Why this maddening inconsistency in the stewards decisions? Why is this sort of an incident sometimes a DQ...and sometimes not?

No two races are exactly alike.

In this case I believe the stewards were correct in leaving the result alone.

IMO both horses contributed to the late bumping.

Did Abel Tasman "contribute" slightly more?

Perhaps. But now were splitting hairs to a degree that shouldn't result in a DQ.

I know it's frustrating. People talk all the time about the real "C" word. Consistency.

I hate that word. When people agreed with my decisions I was wonderfully consistent.

When they thought I got it wrong my consistency went out the window.

Huh?

(thask) check your private messages

[biggestal99]

Right, so you can run a rival through the rail but "the result stands for the bettors".

Right.

I guarantee you the uk stewards would take a dim view of that kind of riding.

Jock would get many days for sure.

I watch many uk races and don’t have nearly the rough riding incidents that you have in the us.

Allan

[dilanesp]

I never was. Additionally I never worked with a California Steward who took the importance of the race into account.

The rule book is the same for claimers as it is for Grade 1 types.

I believe this....

On the other hand I also believe there is no way the Belmont stewards take Real Quiet down if he wins the photo.... :)

[stuball]

Let's say that 65-35 % is right by my math 30% difference .. seems like that be enuff to dg also horses are supposed to maintain a straight path to the wire... these were not maidens with all FTS..

Stuball FYI I had no skin in the race -- just another Ahole with an opinion

[Tom]

I would give them both days - split 65-35.
Smith is going to kill someone one of these days.

[NY BRED]

Tom:

I was just about to post your thought.
I am quite aware of the Worker Compensation program in NY, I've posted information about how the program was structured in the past.

The current program is written on a high deductible program which,
in the event of a permanent injury to a Jockey could dramatically
impact the NY Racing Community.

The other issue already posted is how the Stewards didn't see and/or immediately make the call.

Geez, even the TVG commentators saw this incident and noted
Mr. Ortiz told the outrider to call the Stewards.

Considering this was an important Stakes day, lots of questions arise
on how better to protect the Jockeys/owners/NYRA and the fans supporting
(literally) racing

[NY BRED]

Topic: Closure


First, read below:

One year after Abel Tasman defeated Elate by a head in the Grade 1 Coaching Club American Oaks, Abel Tasman defeated Elate by a neck in Saturday’s Grade 1, $700,000 Personal Ensign Stakes.

Last year, Abel Tasman and Mike Smith withstood a stewards’ inquiry for tightening things up late on Elate. On Saturday, Abel Tasman had to withstand a jockey’s objection when the two fillies bumped hard in deep stretch. Elate jockey Jose Ortiz claimed foul on Smith and Abel Tasman, but the stewards let the result stand.





Secondly, kindly listen to the 08/30/18 broadcast on Steve Byk's show,
"At the races" with Tony Black and the issues regarding Stewards calls
and litigation options offered to owners and trainers regarding stewards
decisions on percentage decisions involving jockeys which lead to
controversial calls.

In Summation(a favorite tbred), the fact there was a history of these
two horses repeated for TWO straight years could reverse this result
in the courts.

Hopefully, one day a panel of experts( attorneys, trainers and notable
jockeys) could become part of this process.

The ultimate impact on owners in such controversial races spells
millions of dollars when these Tbreds go to the breeding shed..

[Thomas Roulston]

But what would horse racing be without controversial DQs/non-DQs? The DQ of Run Dusty Run from his win in the 1977 Travers still haunts me 41 years later.

But hey, he who loses today (from a questionable DQ/non-DQ), may win tomorrow.

[Tom]

Double DQ today - Chad moved up from third right after setting the record for wins in a season.

Unfortunately, Andy had a few buck on the original 25-1 winner.
To his credit, he was insisting the DQ was legit.

Tough break handled classy as Hell by TLG. :ThmbUp:

btw, don't leave Chad off your tickets! :lol:

[Thomas Roulston]

But this was not the first double DQ in a NYRA race: In the 1977 Jerome Handicap, Broadway Forli, third under the wire, was placed first due to the disqualification of both To The Quick (first under the wire) and Affiliate (second), who between them made a "Broadway Forli Sandwich" coming out of the gate.