View Full Version : Tony Maragh In 19Aug18GP4
how cliche
08-20-2018, 01:02 AM
Possibly the worst ride of the year. Doubt it's the last we'll hear about this. Margin of defeat was half a head. With the slightest encouragement MUSICAL HEART wins. From the chart...
"MUSICAL HEART reserved racing wide and UNASKED while trailing field in the early stages, began to move up closer racing wide STILL UNASKED in the turn, entered the top of the stretch eight wide and continued to gain WITHOUT BEING PERSEVERED WITH."
Wrote the stewards an email about it. Rider needs to be fined and serve a lengthy suspension.
how cliche
08-20-2018, 01:12 AM
the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e5E_agKvnE
martini
08-20-2018, 02:32 AM
That was a suspect ride to say the least. Even if he didn't go to the stick, he needed to vigorously hand ride the horse to the wire. He did neither. :ThmbDown:
clicknow
08-20-2018, 07:03 AM
WITHOUT BEING PERSEVERED WITH."
Is this a chart expression more commonly used for Gulfstream races than others? Curious. I suspect not, since I've seen it at BEL, SAR, and other places, but if you start searching a lot of charts, it seems rather more COMMON occurance at Gulfstream.
Why is that?
Andy Asaro
08-20-2018, 10:22 AM
Got this response from someone with the juice to do something about this.
"We opened a investigation with the Stewards and security team.
All over it."
metro
08-20-2018, 11:03 AM
Having a hard time finding a motive why Maragh wouldn't want to win the race.
Save an allowance condition? They would have gotten 24K, instead of 8400 for 2nd, by winning.
how cliche
08-20-2018, 11:27 AM
Got this response from someone with the juice to do something about this.
"We opened a investigation with the Stewards and security team.
All over it."
Thank you Andy.
GMB@BP
08-20-2018, 01:48 PM
Holy cow, this sport.....he will say the horse was getting out or something. crooked man.
whisperlunch
08-20-2018, 02:20 PM
Best part of the video is when announcer says coming out of the turn the two horses have slit their own throat.
Terrible ride. No excuses.
linrom1
08-20-2018, 03:11 PM
GOTCHA! CAMERA CATCHES CHARLES TOWN CLERK, JOCKEYS FUDGING
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by Paulick Report Staff | 11.17.2010 | 12:46am
By Ray Paulick
Michael Garrison had his occupational permit revoked and he was fined $1,000 and suspended indefinitely as the clerk of scales at Charles Town Races & Slots in West Virginia after an investigation determined he was not reporting overages of assigned weights of riders weighing out before races. Seven jockeys were suspended 30 days and fined $1,000 each for violation of the West Virginia rules of racing pertaining to riding weights and dishonest or corrupt practices.
Garrison was escorted off the Charles Town premises by security personnel following the first race March 27, according to chief steward Danny Wright and association steward Robert Lotts. Acting on an anonymous tip, track security had installed surveillance cameras in the weigh-out area adjacent to the clerk of scales office and Garrison was allegedly observed being derelict in his duties by not reporting overweights of the riders.
After hearings were conducted on Wednesday, the fines and suspensions were announced. The seven jockeys suspended are: Alexis Rios Conde, Tony Maragh, Anthony Mawing, Luis Perez, Lawrence Reynolds, Jesus Sanchez, and Dale Whittaker. The suspensions are effective from today (April 9) through May 8.
I don't think that the fact trainer and jockey have the same last names has NOTHING to do with how this race unfolded?
Valuist
08-20-2018, 05:07 PM
Let's see, away poorly, unnecessarily wide, and rode with the enthusiasm of one who clearly did not want to win.
It's a shame he gets a 2nd place paycheck for that race.
Andy Asaro
08-20-2018, 07:28 PM
https://twitter.com/racetrackandy/status/1031682451305783296
Afleet
08-20-2018, 07:33 PM
that was weak; he should be banned from GP forever. That would stop that kind of crap
Maximillion
08-20-2018, 07:48 PM
https://twitter.com/racetrackandy/status/1031682451305783296
If that first observation from Equibase/NJC is true,i find that even more "damaging" to the sport than the incident itself.
GMB@BP
08-20-2018, 09:52 PM
well now seeing all the connections that were involved it definitely was some kind of pre planned event.
I dont know why anyone is shocked, while not all racing executives can be classified as not caring about the bettor way to many at the top surely do not.
Robert Fischer
08-20-2018, 10:26 PM
You gotta couple the entries if you are going to use tactics like that. This was a brazen act with the :3: jock dueling and chirping the favorite :2: in order to set up the uncoupled entry. The subtle use of multiple entries for the same trainer and partnerships/teamwork is a widespread problematic loophole in the rule that I don't know the solution to, other than wariness. This was not subtle, it was a brazen act, and there needs to be a rule to protect bettors allowing trainers to couple for tactics or face fines.
What was the jockey of :7: doing?? Was he too uncoordinated to both use a buzzer and smoothly drive the horse through the wire? Was he trying to save the n1x condition? Was he having a stroke??
I'm not sure how anyone could defend that, but I'm also certain somebody will try.
trifecta
08-20-2018, 11:54 PM
I'm not sure how anyone could defend that, but I'm also certain somebody will try.
Who was the jockey in Louisiana that claimed heat stroke? This guy might say the same thing.
GP is pathetic with its 6 to 8 minute delays in getting horses to the post. Now they allow three or four family members (Maragh's) to seemingly predetermine the outcome of a race. This is a track that sucks.
I think in many cases the people charged with regulating horse racing really don't understand the game on the level required to do their jobs.
turfnsport
08-21-2018, 12:09 AM
Who was the jockey in Louisiana that claimed heat stroke? This guy might say the same thing.
GP is pathetic with its 6 to 8 minute delays in getting horses to the post. Now they allow three or four family members (Maragh's) to seemingly predetermine the outcome of a race. This is a track that sucks.
Kevin Smith
https://youtu.be/9-WF0kRRtsw
trifecta
08-21-2018, 12:17 AM
Thanks, turf.
ZippyChippy423
08-21-2018, 08:51 AM
No doubt that some little nudge of effort and the horse wins. I just don’t see any motivation for the jockey to not try to win the race . NONE. If the horse was held back from winning and some fix type thing was in there is AlWAYS money involved. Nothing points to that.
No doubt that some little nudge of effort and the horse wins. I just don’t see any motivation for the jockey to not try to win the race . NONE. If the horse was held back from winning and some fix type thing was in there is AlWAYS money involved. Nothing points to that.
Three of the horses were controlled by two brother trainers and a related jockey, one that dueled the favorite into defeat, and at least one obviously didn't try. I personally don't think the other one looked all that interested in winning the race either though he wasn't any good anyway.
castaway01
08-21-2018, 09:59 AM
No doubt that some little nudge of effort and the horse wins. I just don’t see any motivation for the jockey to not try to win the race . NONE. If the horse was held back from winning and some fix type thing was in there is AlWAYS money involved. Nothing points to that.
They do allow wagering on these races you know...someone put in a few tickets for the rider to be 2nd in exactas? He clearly wasn't trying to win and that's all that matters, and should matter, to the public betting on the race.
Robert Fischer
08-21-2018, 10:04 AM
whoever claimed the :2: was fortunate to save the condition
This was like an episode from "Luck".
AltonKelsey
08-21-2018, 01:40 PM
You gotta couple the entries if you are going to use tactics like that. This was a brazen act with the :3: jock dueling and chirping the favorite :2: in order to set up the uncoupled entry. The subtle use of multiple entries for the same trainer and partnerships/teamwork is a widespread problematic loophole in the rule that I don't know the solution to, other than wariness. This was not subtle, it was a brazen act, and there needs to be a rule to protect bettors allowing trainers to couple for tactics or face fines.
What was the jockey of :7: doing?? Was he too uncoordinated to both use a buzzer and smoothly drive the horse through the wire? Was he trying to save the n1x condition? Was he having a stroke??
Been saying uncoupled entries was a disaster from day 1.
Folks just get used to being robbed.
You can collude with another trainer, but its a lot messier. He catches you cheating with his wife, you might have a problem.
When it's all you....it's all you.
Andy Asaro
08-22-2018, 01:22 PM
https://twitter.com/DanonymousMan/status/1032311545903149059
Jeff P
08-22-2018, 01:51 PM
About freaking time a racing jurisdiction sent a message to a rider for not trying.
Imo, if you are going to allow multiple uncoupled entries in the same race:
Suspending riders for not trying is absolutely the right thing to do.
-jp
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Andy Asaro
08-22-2018, 02:19 PM
About freaking time a racing jurisdiction sent a message to a rider for not trying.
Imo, if you are going to allow multiple uncoupled entries in the same race:
Suspending riders for not trying is absolutely the right thing to do.
-jp
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When it comes down to it we really need a law enforcement agency to look into some of these things.
Felt weak and might fall off...
This guy has some balls.
thaskalos
08-22-2018, 02:37 PM
Felt weak and might fall off...
This guy has some balls.
One wonders how often this ludicrous excuse has worked in the past. It must have, if jockeys continue to use it.
Robert Fischer
08-22-2018, 02:50 PM
One wonders how often this ludicrous excuse has worked in the past. It must have, if jockeys continue to use it.
"Maragh said during a hearing Wednesday that he was unable to persevere with Musical Heart because he 'felt weak' and thought he might fall off his mount."
#5. "Wanted to see if she could go it alone..."
#4." I don't believe in the whip..."
#3." and I don't believe in the reigns either!"
#2. "Thought we had to go around twice..."
and the #1 BETTER EXCUSE THAN 'FELT WEAK' ... "I disagree!, I was clearly preserving my mount!"
:rolleyes:
turfnsport
08-22-2018, 02:55 PM
Aubrey and Tony are both full of crap.
upthecreek
08-22-2018, 03:11 PM
https://twitter.com/raypaulick/status/1032335087000379392
how cliche
08-22-2018, 05:05 PM
Doesn't feel punative enough. Was hoping for 5 years and figured they'd negotiate it down to 2.
Obv questions...
Did he immediately pull up, dismount and ask for the ambulance?
Can the track physician verify he sought immediate medical attention?
therussmeister
08-22-2018, 05:57 PM
Doesn't feel punative enough. Was hoping for 5 years and figured they'd negotiate it down to 2.
Obv questions...
Did he immediately pull up, dismount and ask for the ambulance?
Can the track physician verify he sought immediate medical attention?
If that was the track stewards that have him the 60 days that is probably the longest suspension they are allowed to hand out, anything longer must come from the state's racing commission. So there may be more to come.
Credit to the stewards for acting on this one. Does anyone know if there has there been any action taken on Oliveros' 'ride" at Mountaineer on August 8th?
Andy Asaro
08-22-2018, 08:57 PM
https://twitter.com/BillFinley3/status/1032373433089159168
Dutrow got 10, this should be worth at least 2-3 years? Guess they don't want a max exodus. Why do trainers, jockeys and participants in a race still get to bet? Maybe we should try it in other sports to see what happens. :lol:
Almost forgot to congratulate Navarro for another record setting performance, possibly at the windows too. Easy target, plenty of others.. :coffee:
Been saying uncoupled entries was a disaster from day 1.
Folks just get used to being robbed.
You can collude with another trainer, but its a lot messier. He catches you cheating with his wife, you might have a problem.
When it's all you....it's all you.
Finger Lakes has a rule whereby "relationships" can cause a coupling. Not sure exactly how it is worded, but if say a jockey's father is a trainer, and her "boyfriend" is a jockey they can be coupled in the same race if her father is involved in it, unless she ride for him.
Maybe Tony C will see this and clarify - he explained it to Rich Perloff last week after a confusing entry was talked about.
Andy Asaro
08-23-2018, 04:02 AM
https://twitter.com/TheMightyForego/status/1032469237594578944
ZippyChippy423
08-23-2018, 07:52 AM
The payoffs don’t look unusual for that race. How much could he have possibly won to make this all “ worth “ it?
Andy Asaro
08-23-2018, 08:07 AM
The payoffs don’t look unusual for that race. How much could he have possibly won to make this all “ worth “ it?
Pretty sure we're dealing with grade 1 knuckleheads here and not criminal masterminds. He wasn't trying to win and didn't even put on a good act.
CheckMark
08-23-2018, 09:22 AM
This is why I don’t play Gulfstream. I wait for like 6 to 8 minutes to get to the gate. Then if one of your horses is acting up, they have this guy with the long whip lashing the horses to “try and get them into the gate” but it also takes 2 minutes or so for that too, and if you watch when they do that to a horse, they finish in a poor spot. Gulfstream in my opinion IS THE WORST TRACK IN THE WORLD.
Tony Black is going off on this pinhead right now on ATR with Steve Byk.
Hour 2.
ubercapper
08-24-2018, 09:30 AM
The observation about Chart Callers is factually incorrect based on my person experience. I've called charts and written notes. I've spent thousands of hours with Chart Callers. It is expected that footnotes contain opinion. Just look at the footnotes for NY races as an example.
Regardless of if, and obviously that is a big if, the jockey excuse is true, doesn't it beg the question of why we are still using hotboxes in 2018. Clearly this is a practice that needs to go. I'd rather have a strong, overweight jockey than one that is dehydrated to make weight. If you can't make weight and the trainer doesn't want to use you, might be time for a new profession.
Zman179
08-24-2018, 12:46 PM
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jay68802
08-24-2018, 02:20 PM
Seems pretty simple to me, the trainer stated he bet the horse in second and third. The jockey was following instructions, do not win run second or third. The trainer pissed away a good shot here. Tried to fix the race so he could win a little of the purse and a little on the bet, instead of just trying to win the race.
IMO, they should not be in the game anymore, and there are others that need to be thrown out also. Maybe they should just all run in LA, that state seems not to care.
Clearly, a lifetime ban is called for here.
This thieving little bastard has no business on any race track ever again.
And of course, JAIL time is called for.
Lemon Drop Husker
08-24-2018, 09:30 PM
Seems pretty simple to me, the trainer stated he bet the horse in second and third. The jockey was following instructions, do not win run second or third. The trainer pissed away a good shot here. Tried to fix the race so he could win a little of the purse and a little on the bet, instead of just trying to win the race.
IMO, they should not be in the game anymore, and there are others that need to be thrown out also. Maybe they should just all run in LA, that state seems not to care.
Why would it matter if he won if the Trainer only bet the horse Place/Show? He'd still cash his tickets for the same prices as the top 3 horses wouldn't have changed whether he ran 1st or 2nd.
Unless he bet another horse or 2 to win?
Why would it matter if he won if the Trainer only bet the horse Place/Show? He'd still cash his tickets for the same prices as the top 3 horses wouldn't have changed whether he ran 1st or 2nd.
Unless he bet another horse or 2 to win?
He said he bet his other horse to win over the horse in question, so they were exacta and tri bets.
So this a case of betting on horses other than the one you own/train.
Lifetime ban for the bastard trainer as well.
This is a great example of why horsemen should never be allowed to make a bet on any race period.
Lemon Drop Husker
08-24-2018, 10:38 PM
He said he bet his other horse to win over the horse in question, so they were exacta and tri bets.
They should all get a year ban (at the least).
Not only are they fixing the winner, they are fixing exotics. That is crazy ballsy stupid kind of stuff.
thaskalos
08-24-2018, 10:40 PM
Lifetime bans for the trainer and jockey...and a self-imposed lifetime ban for us, from ever betting on another Gulfstream race.
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