Monmouth Park

[Profesor]

Gulfstream was off the turf today so I decided to try Monmouth Park
What a joke 1/5 3/5. 4/5 shots galore every race for a minute I thought I was at FREHHOLD

[MonmouthParkJoe]

Best place on earth

[Afleet]

Best place on earth
should change the name to Navarro Park

[Profesor]

Best place on earth

No doubt about it I spent every summer in 70s and 80s there,:ThmbUp: Mickey Solomone was the king then, but the racing there these days is a big joke:ThmbDown::ThmbDown:

[alhattab]

Gulfstream was off the turf today so I decided to try Monmouth Park
What a joke 1/5 3/5. 4/5 shots galore every race for a minute I thought I was at FREHHOLD

I love Monmouth Park, too and agree the racing hasn't been very good later. Yesterday was very chalky in spots but the late Pick 5 did pay $2,200+ for $0.50 so wasn't all bad. You need to pick your spots there (not my strong point- I try to beat too many of these Mth favorites!). Average win price 7/21 at Monmouth was about $8.50 and was $10 at Saratoga for a roughly 20% relative difference. Late Pick 4/5 paid better at Mth.

Thanks to the poster in the Firenze Fire thread who noted that Ja Servis was on a bit of a cold streak. That plus Really Proud's dismal run in Sar 8th put me onto that longshot in Mth 10th. Nice- priced winners are few and far between for me there (sorry for the red-board).

[Tom]

I've tried several times to make Monmount my top track, but just can't get any decent plays there day in day out. Too much chalk to spent the time handicapping.

[biggestal99]

Since July 1, I have won 49 markets in a row at Monmouth on the Exchange (a new worlds record for me). Extremely formful racing! If you handicap the form and cant make money at Monmouth you should perhaps find another game to bet.

Allan

[Redboard]

Are we ever going to see a bump in purses at Monmouth from the sports betting? Sure doesn't look like it.

[Tom]

Monmouth had HUGE purses for awhile a few years ago.
As a track, it lost ALL credibility.

5-6 claims per race, $30K horse dropping in to $5K races to grab a big purse.
It was a joke.

Big purses make for bad racing.

[Redboard]

It was a lot better than what they have now, the same dogs running in the same races week after week. I would hope they banish claiming races someday, but if they are going to have them, full fields with zillions of droppers makes for plenty of value.

[castaway01]

Are we ever going to see a bump in purses at Monmouth from the sports betting? Sure doesn't look like it.

NJ has had sports betting for, what, a few weeks during baseball season? What massive amount of money do you think rolled in to immediately boost purses?

[biggestal99]

It was a lot better than what they have now, the same dogs running in the same races week after week. I would hope they banish claiming races someday, but if they are going to have them, full fields with zillions of droppers makes for plenty of value.

They could (with a lot of difficulty) convert to the UK way of racing.

every horse is ranked weekly.

and almost every race is a handicap.

Allan

[biggestal99]

NJ has had sports betting for, what, a few weeks during baseball season? What massive amount of money do you think rolled in to immediately boost purses?

It might take them until next year to increase purses and racing days.

one full NFL season, One superbowl, one march madness.

Allan

[FlintAtTheFetlock]

Gulfstream was off the turf today so I decided to try Monmouth Park
What a joke 1/5 3/5. 4/5 shots galore every race for a minute I thought I was at FREHHOLD

Agreed, its tough to get prices on individual races, but it was one of the most enjoyable tracks I have ever visited, given limited Northeast exposure. And I did make money. Instead of playing $2 Ex Box, or Wheels I played the chalk in $20.00 exactas very narrow. Heck, on vacation might as well... Maybe I just got lucky.

Wonderful place to visit, try to get to the beach in the morning. Incredible surf and sights.

[onefast99]

It might take them until next year to increase purses and racing days.

one full NFL season, One superbowl, one march madness.

Allan

A large percentage of those bets will be made online and none of that money goes towards the purses or anything to do with the race track. So who got the best deal here?

[Tom]

Why should racing get any of the money?
They certainly are part of the bringing it in.

Racing is an expense.

[biggestal99]

A large percentage of those bets will be made online and none of that money goes towards the purses or anything to do with the race track. So who got the best deal here?

Drazin has stated in the past, the goal was to increase purses and racing dates for Monmouth.

Are you saying Drazin,s goals have changed?

Allan

[onefast99]

Why should racing get any of the money?
They certainly are part of the bringing it in.

Racing is an expense.
Tom,
Since Governor Christie forced the hand for the privitization of the NJ racetracks the horseman were given the chore of taking over the tracks, you can call them "figureheads" if you would like which in essence they are. Morris Bailey had the first crack at MP he went in and realized it was such a mess that he said no thanks after a short "test drive". Dennis Drazin came in after he resigned from the NJRC and with the help of his group he formed Darby Development to run the show and hopefully bring racing back to where it was competitive and profitable, two items that racing seems to be void of in most states.
If the horseman didnt go along with any of the moves Drazin made there would be a condo project where MP stands today.
So you tell me do the horseman deserve to reap the rewards of the last 7 years of hard work and persistence from Sports Wagering being legalized in NJ and the sacrifices many of these hardworking individuals went through? I'm sure I know the answer.

[onefast99]

Drazin has stated in the past, the goal was to increase purses and racing dates for Monmouth.

Are you saying Drazin,s goals have changed?

Allan
I'm sure you realize that the online sports wagering creates a zero revenue stream for MP and the horseman correct? When the weather begins to get cold and you dont want to leave your home to bet the NFL or other sporting events you will go online and this will significantly impact the brick and mortar wagering facility at MP, I don't think it will hurt the Meadowlands as much since they race harness year round and that area is frequented by a lot more people then Oceanport NJ.
Dennis has done a great job in putting together the facility at MP but I strongly believe the pot of gold is online wagering!

[Tom]

So you tell me do the horseman deserve to reap the rewards of the last 7 years of hard work and persistence from Sports Wagering being legalized in NJ and the sacrifices many of these hardworking individuals went through? I'm sure I know the answer.

So this guy comes on board and turns thing around at the track.
What did the horsemen do to bring sports betting in?
Sounds like racing has been saved without welfare.

Bad precedent being set here.
Sport betting should not have to be tied to racing at all.
Racing will only be an anchor to it.

[castaway01]

So this guy comes on board and turns thing around at the track.
What did the horsemen do to bring sports betting in?
Sounds like racing has been saved without welfare.

Bad precedent being set here.
Sport betting should not have to be tied to racing at all.
Racing will only be an anchor to it.

Where that gets complicated is that you've got racing people (at Monmouth in particular) who understand how to run this sort of operation so they'd be leading candidates for a sports betting license anyway. By having it a racetrack you've got the property and expertise in place, and you also calm those who might say, "Oh noes, new gambling establishments, won't someone think of the children!" by keeping those dirty gamblers in a place they already exist. So while directly tying racing's existence to the casinos (like at Parx) by requiring races to take place is one thing, there is some logic to having sports betting parlors at racetracks.

[Valuist]

Where that gets complicated is that you've got racing people (at Monmouth in particular) who understand how to run this sort of operation so they'd be leading candidates for a sports betting license anyway. By having it a racetrack you've got the property and expertise in place, and you also calm those who might say, "Oh noes, new gambling establishments, won't someone think of the children!" by keeping those dirty gamblers in a place they already exist. So while directly tying racing's existence to the casinos (like at Parx) by requiring races to take place is one thing, there is some logic to having sports betting parlors at racetracks.

Are they the best candidates? I would think the likes of Boyd, MGM and William Hill have far more expertise in running a sportsbook.

[Tom]

Having it at a track is a piss-poor idea.
Why put an anchor on it, like a physical plant?
Do they confine the LOTTERY to a racetrack?
Does the LOTTO need anything from a racetrack?
Do race track people run the PowerBall?

Betting sports will be something you do from home, at the grocery store where you buy your lottery tickets, at newstands......why even conder a track?

Most track would be well advised to take what they can get for the plants and let them become malls and condos.

We already have for too many tracks.

Had Monmouth closed up and gone away, it would affect only a small select segment of the population. Probably, Jersey would have had to allow interstate account wagering, in which case, horseplayers there would be far better off today.

[SandyW]

How long do you think it is going to take before the sports betters in New Jersey realize that they are taking it in the shorts by betting into a 30 or 40 cent line? I think that this is the main question.

[alhattab]

http://live.drf.com/nuggets/43968-monmouth-to-offer-a-racing-baseball-pick-four-on-haskell-day-this-sunday

[Redboard]

Having it at a track is a piss-poor idea.
Why put an anchor on it, like a physical plant?
Do they confine the LOTTERY to a racetrack?
Does the LOTTO need anything from a racetrack?
Do race track people run the PowerBall?

Betting sports will be something you do from home, at the grocery store where you buy your lottery tickets, at newstands......why even conder a track?

Most track would be well advised to take what they can get for the plants and let them become malls and condos.

We already have for too many tracks.

Had Monmouth closed up and gone away, it would affect only a small select segment of the population. Probably, Jersey would have had to allow interstate account wagering, in which case, horseplayers there would be far better off today.

Just because one can drink at home, doesn't mean that all the bars should disappear. MP should be a casino, along the lines of the AC Borgata or Parx.

[Tom]

Casino, yes.

But a sports betting place?
Would YOU drive all the way out to a track to bet the Mets and then go on to work?

[NJ Stinks]

Casino, yes.

But a sports betting place?
Would YOU drive all the way out to a track to bet the Mets and then go on to work?

Yes I would if I really loved the bet.

Here's something to consider. If you bet online and you win, do you tell your ADW to send out the money after you win or do you leave it in your account? Chances are one leaves it there because it's painful/nuisance to deposit funds in the ADW. I know my history says I do better when I play with cash like I do when in Nevada.

[onefast99]

Casino, yes.

But a sports betting place?
Would YOU drive all the way out to a track to bet the Mets and then go on to work?

Tom where have you been for the last seven years while I have been on here discussing the main reason why sports wagering is at the race tracks that’s how Governor Christie crafted the bill that would allow sports wagering at the casinos and race tracks to save them as Atlantic City was getting crushed by outside competition and New Jersey Racing whether at Monmouth Park or the Meadowlands was getting crushed by competition from Pennsylvania and New York. The fact that Governor Christie forced privatization of the race tracks gave the race tracks the right to have sports wagering once the Supreme Court of the United States was handed the case from the Third Circuit you keep stating that this should be somewhere else where should it be in our schools our churches at the local Starbucks please enlighten Me!

[onefast99]

Casino, yes.

But a sports betting place?
Would YOU drive all the way out to a track to bet the Mets and then go on to work?

Read my previous post many people will start wagering on sports online as soon as it is available most likely by the end of August just in time for the 2018 NFL season!

[onefast99]

How long do you think it is going to take before the sports betters in New Jersey realize that they are taking it in the shorts by betting into a 30 or 40 cent line? I think that this is the main question.

Hey sandy Remember all your posts that said sports wagering will never come to fruition in New Jersey I hope you didn’t bet on that fella!

[biggestal99]

Hey sandy Remember all your posts that said sports wagering will never come to fruition in New Jersey I hope you didn’t bet on that fella!

Lol. A negative Nellie. First no sports betting. Now high vigs. They will have a lot of competion both brick and mortar and on line. 30 and 40 cents lines lol.

Allan

[Tom]

Tom where have you been for the last seven years while I have been on here discussing...

I haven't read any of them.
No interest in the subject until it became a reality.
Not that much interest now - I'm a horseplayer.
I just don't like my game getting polluted with outside crap.
Big purses = bad racing.

[biggestal99]

Having it at a track is a piss-poor idea.
Why put an anchor on it, like a physical plant?
Do they confine the LOTTERY to a racetrack?
Does the LOTTO need anything from a racetrack?
Do race track people run the PowerBall?

Betting sports will be something you do from home, at the grocery store where you buy your lottery tickets, at newstands......why even conder a track?

Most track would be well advised to take what they can get for the plants and let them become malls and condos.

We already have for too many tracks.

Had Monmouth closed up and gone away, it would affect only a small select segment of the population. Probably, Jersey would have had to allow interstate account wagering, in which case, horseplayers there would be far better off today.

Glad you don’t run racing Tom. You close all the tracks,save for Saratoga, oak lawn , Del Mar, Churchill Downs, Santa Anita and Belmont.

We would be running the Preakness at oaklawn. Lol

Tracks like Monmouth have their place on the food chain.

Where else would pletcher, brown send their second stringers.

Allan

[Tom]

Tracks like Monmouth have their place on the food chain.

As long as they can pay their own way, sure.
Preakness is safe - I love Pimlico! :D

[NJ Stinks]

So Todd Pletcher, the guy who avoids supporting the Preakness like he is being paid not to, is now sending zero horses to support Monmouth biggest day. :rolleyes:

Why tracks (outside NY) never take this guy's horses down is beyond me.

[onefast99]

Glad you don’t run racing Tom. You close all the tracks,save for Saratoga, oak lawn , Del Mar, Churchill Downs, Santa Anita and Belmont.

We would be running the Preakness at oaklawn. Lol

Tracks like Monmouth have their place on the food chain.

Where else would pletcher, brown send their second stringers.

Allan

And don’t forget the savior a man of mystery who has single handily redefined the term super trainer a figure who the racing office at MP bows too yes we all know him by that now famous video soon to have his name in the racing hall of fame or shame? His 1/9 shots win low level claimers like they were Grade 1 stakes horses. Yep he has kept MP on the food chain for sure !!!

[biggestal99]

And don’t forget the savior a man of mystery who has single handily redefined the term super trainer a figure who the racing office at MP bows too yes we all know him by that now famous video soon to have his name in the racing hall of fame or shame? His 1/9 shots win low level claimers like they were Grade 1 stakes horses. Yep he has kept MP on the food chain for sure !!!

His low level claimed win at 1-9 because they lay over the field. The horses put up against them are putrid.

Allan

[onefast99]

His low level claimed win at 1-9 because they lay over the field. The horses put up against them are putrid.

Allan

I even see mr. Guerrero has one in today who is next Zaidie and Sipp? Get rid of these guys now you don’t need them.

[GMB@BP]

The MAN is 4 for 5 so far.......bow to his greatness!!!!

[alhattab]

The MAN is 4 for 5 so far.......bow to his greatness!!!!

I agree with Allan. It isn't Navarro's fault that he puts the horses in the right spots and the competition is horrible. Monmouth should be embarrassed for the races they have put on, and the public is speaking in droves. Handle has fallen off the cliff. Sure the weather hasn't helped and the comps are bad after having added Thursday and Friday, but my Lord it is horrible. It isn't like Navarro claims for $10k and wins 5 days later for $20k, which from foggy recall is what the old NYRA guys like the Gas Man and Barrera did.

[biggestal99]

I agree with Allan. It isn't Navarro's fault that he puts the horses in the right spots and the competition is horrible. Monmouth should be embarrassed for the races they have put on, and the public is speaking in droves. Handle has fallen off the cliff. Sure the weather hasn't helped and the comps are bad after having added Thursday and Friday, but my Lord it is horrible. It isn't like Navarro claims for $10k and wins 5 days later for $20k, which from foggy recall is what the old NYRA guys like the Gas Man and Barrera did.

The turf racing (when it stays on ) hasn’t been bad but the dirt racing has been bad.

That said I have made a lot of money betting against the obvious losers at Monmouth this year.

Very formful dirt racing and the procession of odds on favorites.

Allan

[Thomas Roulston]

Gulfstream was off the turf today so I decided to try Monmouth Park
What a joke 1/5 3/5. 4/5 shots galore every race for a minute I thought I was at FREHHOLD



Speaking of Freehold - no sports betting there yet:

https://www.njonlinegambling.com/freehold-raceway-to-miss-nfl-betting-start/