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Lemon Drop Husker
07-21-2018, 08:34 AM
The Saratoga and Del Mar meets roll into opening weekend, and they are both off to banging starts with their normal large pools and bettors delight payouts.



And now that Del Mar can handle 14 on their turf course, we get wicked tough races like today's G2 San Clemente featuring 13 3YO fillies going a mile. Finding a winner here could be a day-maker, and hitting an exotic may well amount to a week or month-maker.



:1: Rockin Ready: One of the few closers in this race could well get a pace meltdown in here in a race absolutely loaded with speed. However, the Del Mar turf hasn't exactly been kind to those needing to make up a ton of ground the first two days of the meet. Her maiden score two back puts her right in the thick of things here if she can work out a trip from the rail. Her 5 for 5 in the exacta career record is hard not to notice, and has to at least be considered for exotics if not even on top.


:2: Ms Bad Behavior: Six for eight in the exacta in her career thus far, including a runner-up finish last out in the G3 Provencia. She has been on the bench since that April race and thus will be firing fresh. She is the ML 9/2 favorite, and definitely has to be considered on any ticket played in this race today. While she can carry some front-running wire to wire speed, she doesn't need to be in the mix of things to come out on top; and she may well end up mid-pack with the speed signed on in here.


:3: Flammenta: Arguably the deepest closer in the bunch that can already be considered a Santa Anita Hill specialist as her last two races have come down the hill resulting in two of her three career wins. Prat has opted elsewhere, so that has to be strongly factored into her chances today. If you are into the whole "horses that run together" theory, then the :1::3::4::8::9: and :13: may be the only horses you want to consider in constructing 4 to 5 figure exotics payouts.



:4: Miss Siena: Have to notice that this will be Mike Smith's only mount of the day as he has only been on a single mount the first 2 days of the meet, and looks to carry through with that M.O. today and tomorrow as well. Her virgin American voyage certainly didn't go as planned as she really wasn't much of a factor in the G2 Honeymoon. Likely suspect we'll get a much better effort from her today, but will be looking elsewhere as the Smith factor will definitely dilute her price.


:5: Ahimsa: The ML of 30/1 is a tad bit ridiculous on this on as her two grass races squarely put her right in the mix of things here. A key factor, however, is Roman in the irons as opposed to Nakatani, Prat, or Smith. When all is said and done though, they may well just look to push her to the front and try to wall everybody off. Has to be considered, especially at what could be a massive price.


:6: Dulce Rider: Her maiden win last out was undoubtedly a massive turnaround in form. Still not sold she can run with these, and likely from too far back with better closers in the field.


:8: Animosity: Another in a long line of pace factors shortens up today. Her runner-up finish last out in the G2 Honeymoon should squarely put her in the thick of things, but I see too much speed in here for her and see no way she can wire this field looking at her three career starts. Looking elsewhere.


:9: West Palm Beach: This Scat Daddy sired gal certainly has some late punch, and her win two back over a mile fits squarely into being a major contender. A must include in all exotics tickets IMO.


:10: War Heroine: Looking at just her two turf races, and she is undoubtedly a major contender that should no doubt be involved on the front end. Her win over :2:Ms Bad Behaviour 3 back has to be noted as well. Obvious concern has to be if she gets too involved in order to last the stretch out to 8 panels.



:11: Pursuing The Dream: Yep, you guessed it, another pace presence. While she has ran decently enough since crossing the pond in her 3 career States starts, she does seem a bit short of many others in here. Wouldn't be surprised if she ran well, but others look more intriguing.


:12: Lexington Grace: Tough read. Some things to like, some things to hate. She does look to be tractable enough though and fit in wherever in this field and still have a shot at hitting the board. Numbers show her as a contender, but after 16 career starts thus far into her career, how much improvement can we look for her in this race?



:13: Ms Peintour: She'll need to work out a trip from out here, but she may well be able to slide in behind a number of front-runners and not lose much ground. She'll be a price, and isn't without a chance of at least spicing up exotics.


:14: Ollie's Candy: Her first career turf race in which they would undoubtedly love to have blacktype on both dirt and turf for this young filly. Nakatani getting the call is very encouraging, but think she has little choice but to try and get to the front and outrun everybody. She may well be good enough to do just that. Undefeated, she has to be respected as a serious contender.


SUMMARY: Looking squarely at the :9::10: right now, but this is one tough hombre of a race that sits right in the middle of all the late 'Picks' tickets.

GaryG
07-21-2018, 09:59 AM
This race is begging to be won by a closer. Since :3: Flammetta changed her style she has become quite formidable. Like the way she rallied on the inside to edge Rockin Ready and then gallop out big. Nice value at 12-1.

MadVindication
07-21-2018, 12:50 PM
I'm going to lean toward the midpack raters on mile long turf here (closers in the 4 but unless I think a real strong contender not in the 3). But will bet a seperate and fairly straight tri or super for a pace scenario that leans towards closers since this race could pay. I think at least 3 seperate tickets for exotics is a better way to play this for cheaper.

MadVindication
07-21-2018, 01:09 PM
:14: Ollie's Candy: Her first career turf race in which they would undoubtedly love to have blacktype on both dirt and turf for this young filly. Nakatani getting the call is very encouraging, but think she has little choice but to try and get to the front and outrun everybody. She may well be good enough to do just that. Undefeated, she has to be respected as a serious contender.



Despite the ground to cover and early speed risk, I really like her from the outside post. Gives a lot of room for strategy and she looks good for tactical speed. Won really dominantly on the synth sprints and the dirt route bodes well but I'm willing to bet on her not breaking as fast on the turf and rating well under Nakatani. I'm ok with her at 6-1 in this large field. At least we have a filly who likes to win and hates to be passed but does she like to pass horses if she's not on/near the lead is my issue. I'm moderately confident she'll have the stamina to run her race at 8f. Regardless, this is the one I'm most interested in watching run for all those reasons.

Tom
07-21-2018, 02:02 PM
Down to a 65 horse field - 4 scratches so far.

Lemon Drop Husker
07-21-2018, 04:55 PM
Down to a 65 horse field - 4 scratches so far.


Well..., if you're going to respond, you should at least pick one of the 65 remaining.

GMB@BP
07-21-2018, 05:01 PM
Interesting race because the track bias promotes close to middle pack but this field is loaded with speed.

I went with th :1: hoping with the rail draw she is a bit closer to the pace yet can still finish.

Lemon Drop Husker
07-21-2018, 05:06 PM
Interesting race because the track bias promotes close to middle pack but this field is loaded with speed.

I went with th :1: hoping with the rail draw she is a bit closer to the pace yet can still finish.


Definitely respect that.



Need to see what the 4th and 6th have, but if the Uno can work out a trip, can be very dangerous.

cj
07-21-2018, 05:06 PM
:4: for me based on expected fast pace, wide trip last time, and cut back in distance.

Lemon Drop Husker
07-21-2018, 05:15 PM
:4: for me based on expected fast pace, wide trip last time, and cut back in distance.

Dang. First I ever remember you showing up in one of these CJ.:ThmbUp:


Interesting selection.

GMB@BP
07-21-2018, 05:18 PM
:4: for me based on expected fast pace, wide trip last time, and cut back in distance.

This horse is the steam horse and I can see her being the fav at about 3/1.

Lemon Drop Husker
07-21-2018, 05:23 PM
This horse is the steam horse and I can see her being the fav at about 3/1.


Maybe.


Will get the way overbet mount. :)

Tom
07-21-2018, 05:24 PM
Well..., if you're going to respond, you should at least pick one of the 65 remaining.

:lol::lol: They'll be loading the gate until midnight!

I like :4::1:

:4: is a new horse since Baltas took over.
:1: exploded last time on Cramer figs

Good thing they are running this today - tomorrow it would overlap with Shaq Week!

Lemon Drop Husker
07-21-2018, 05:29 PM
:lol::lol: They'll be loading the gate until midnight!

I like :4::1:

:4: is a new horse since Baltas took over.
:1: exploded last time on Cramer figs

Good thing they are running this today - tomorrow it would overlap with Shaq Week!


D'Amato trains the:4:. Unless there was a change since yesterday. She has also ran only a single race in the States. Till today.

Andy Asaro
07-21-2018, 05:41 PM
:14: with :1::4::6::13: Good luck

jay68802
07-21-2018, 05:54 PM
Like the :14: here. Going to play with the :1::2::3::9::10:.

MadVindication
07-21-2018, 06:57 PM
I like :2: :14: ftw but rank :4: and the lighter raced :8:just below them

:4: has blinkers on and last race she looked really unfocused so I bet on them aiding her run better

Don't know my plays yet.

Lemon Drop Husker
07-21-2018, 07:04 PM
Still near impossible to make up ground on the Del Mar turf course. :popcorn:

BCOURTNEY
07-21-2018, 08:06 PM
:2:MS BAD BEHAVIOR
:10: WAR HEROINE

with

:2:MS BAD BEHAVIOR
:10: WAR HEROINE
:3: FLAMMETTA
:6: DULCE RIDE

I think :10: is underbet - just like at the final table at the NHC this year. Contender.

Lemon Drop Husker
07-21-2018, 08:10 PM
:2:MS BAD BEHAVIOR
:10: WAR HEROINE

with

:2:MS BAD BEHAVIOR
:10: WAR HEROINE
:3: FLAMMETTA
:6: DULCE RIDE

I think :10: is underbet - just like at the final table at the NHC this year. Contender.


How does the :6: fit for you? Really interested in your thoughts on that one.

BCOURTNEY
07-21-2018, 08:30 PM
:2:MS BAD BEHAVIOR
:10: WAR HEROINE

with

:2:MS BAD BEHAVIOR
:10: WAR HEROINE
:3: FLAMMETTA
:6: DULCE RIDE

I think :10: is underbet - just like at the final table at the NHC this year. Contender.


I like the conditioning into the horse :6: . I'm also modifying the ticket based on results today with biases.

:2::10::14:
over
:2::10::14::6::3:

10 MTP.

Lemon Drop Husker
07-21-2018, 08:36 PM
I like the conditioning into the horse :6: . I'm also modifying the ticket based on results today with biases.

:2::10::14:
over
:2::10::14::6::3:

10 MTP.


Thanks.



I got :1::2::9::10: struggling to piece it together. This is one tough race, so I have to go with the original 'gut' feeling:


:9::10:
Over

:1::2::5::9::10:
Over
:1::2::5::9::10:

Lemon Drop Husker
07-21-2018, 08:45 PM
I like the conditioning into the horse :6: . I'm also modifying the ticket based on results today with biases.

:2::10::14:
over
:2::10::14::6::3:

10 MTP.


Well done sir. You got the 3 hole better than me. :ThmbUp:

Tom
07-21-2018, 08:57 PM
Well dang!
I'm in the wrong race. I'm playing the San DIEGO!

Sorry for the wrong scratch info.

They have to stop naming everything "SAN what'sit' out there! :blush:

Lemon Drop Husker
07-21-2018, 09:02 PM
Well dang!
I'm in the wrong race. I'm playing the San DIEGO!

Sorry for the wrong scratch info.

They have to stop naming everything "SAN what'sit' out there! :blush:


OR... East Coasters could actually get out of their own bubble?


Hell. What do I know? I'm living in fly over country in a flight away from fly over country.

jay68802
07-21-2018, 09:03 PM
I like the next race


The San DeBudwiser.

Lemon Drop Husker
07-21-2018, 09:08 PM
I like the next race


The San DeBudwiser.


Damn right. We don't need no extra 'e'. :headbanger:

GMB@BP
07-21-2018, 09:29 PM
Still near impossible to make up ground on the Del Mar turf course. :popcorn:

yup, and I bet the 3 in the turf race before and he should have won with a clean trip from the back....

what can you do.

GMB@BP
07-21-2018, 09:30 PM
Well dang!
I'm in the wrong race. I'm playing the San DIEGO!

Sorry for the wrong scratch info.

They have to stop naming everything "SAN what'sit' out there! :blush:

ha ha

most of the surrounding towns have "San" in it.

Lemon Drop Husker
07-21-2018, 09:37 PM
yup, and I bet the 3 in the turf race before and he should have won with a clean trip from the back....

what can you do.


It hurt, but I had the :10::2: Ex which is against everything in my personal handicapping book.


You have to adjust. I suck at Toga right now, but can make up and more ant Del Mar. Lose early win late is a formula I'll always take.


R10 Del Mar


:5::10:
Ex :5::8::10:

MadVindication
07-21-2018, 09:38 PM
:2:MS BAD BEHAVIOR
:10: WAR HEROINE

with

:2:MS BAD BEHAVIOR
:10: WAR HEROINE
:3: FLAMMETTA
:6: DULCE RIDE

I think :10: is underbet - just like at the final table at the NHC this year. Contender.

Can you tell me more of why you liked the :10: ? I had no clue how to rank her.

MadVindication
07-21-2018, 09:40 PM
:1::2::5::9::10:
Over
:1::2::5::9::10:

Can you tell me why you liked the :5: to fill the bottom of the exotics over the other early speeds?

Lemon Drop Husker
07-21-2018, 09:57 PM
Can you tell me why you liked the :5: to fill the bottom of the exotics over the other early speeds?


I simply thought she'd be overlooked as a legit contender. She had never really ran a bad race even amid some trouble. Always had her as a non-winner but Exotics horse.

Lemon Drop Husker
07-21-2018, 10:02 PM
Can you tell me more of why you liked the :10: ? I had no clue how to rank her.


Not to speak for BC, but she was the speed of the speed on a favoring speed turf course.


She had already beat the ML favorite, and was taking on many of the same, or less. In my write up, I pretty well had her as my FAV. Speed kills, even on turf.

MadVindication
07-21-2018, 10:15 PM
I simply thought she'd be overlooked as a legit contender. She had never really ran a bad race even amid some trouble. Always had her as a non-winner but Exotics horse.

Thanks. I like the "nothing wrong with this horse" angle myself, tho am better at it with dirt races. And you mentioned that the DMR course makes it hard for horses off the pace to make up ground, is this a static character of the track or do you expect it to change as the meet goes on?

Like to add that I really enjoy your write ups and hope to see more, they've proven spot on, nice to read and really helpful.

I tossed the :9: tho they were a strong contender, just because I saw she ran more than four lengths behind the leader in the PPs. Not a bad call for a n00b. So I kept the :4: as she rated only about three lengths behind but maybe I was wrong to disagree with TFUS that she was a closer, I can't really tell. Was so sure that the :2: was an easy winner with how she had won at a hot paced mile and almost wired a 1 1/8 m race. I had/have no idea how to compare SA routes to Del Mar tho, maybe SA is just more friendly to front runners?

Only turf I've played is Woodbine this year and the long stretch makes for impossible results. That I could even pick horses to finish ITM on turf is a surprise to me, and really encouraging. I think Del Mar turf routes could prove almost-easy money with the way their races are constructed. It's almost predicatable as dirt. It's a lot easier to predict midpack runners to do well and leaders who could fade to 3 and 4 when you don't have to worry about closers passing them.

Advice from anyone else reading is welcome/appreciated. As I get to learn the came more there's lots of questions to ask.

GMB@BP
07-21-2018, 10:17 PM
I simply thought she'd be overlooked as a legit contender. She had never really ran a bad race even amid some trouble. Always had her as a non-winner but Exotics horse.

Also Peter Miller + Gary Barber + Del Mar aint bad

Lemon Drop Husker
07-21-2018, 10:29 PM
That is a lot to digest, and I do appreciate that you enjoy my write ups.


I'll be writing up another for the Eddie Read.

MadVindication
07-21-2018, 10:31 PM
Not to speak for BC, but she was the speed of the speed on a favoring speed turf course.


She had already beat the ML favorite, and was taking on many of the same, or less. In my write up, I pretty well had her as my FAV. Speed kills, even on turf.

Thanks for commenting I had forgot you had singled her out as well. And that was your pick that confused me but instead I just discounted her instead of asking for more questions. I think the :2: from Oceanside biased me against sprinters with good speed figs but now I see the two actually weren't comparable.

If I had bet the horse I liked the name of best I would've won money in this one :D

BCOURTNEY
07-21-2018, 10:35 PM
Can you tell me more of why you liked the :10: ? I had no clue how to rank her.

2nd best overall speed, strong early. This horse has a push button twist and responds well when threatened. I followed this horse immediately at SA after seeing her first race I added her to my watch list, highly regarded, played her at NHC this year as well, she made a strong showing that race as well. Her pace numbers were best for me, with consideration to the turf right now.

MadVindication
07-21-2018, 10:37 PM
2nd best overall speed, strong early. This horse has a push button twist and responds well when threatened. I followed this horse immediately at SA after seeing her first race I added her to my watch list, highly regarded, played her at NHC this year as well, she made a strong showing that race as well. Her pace numbers were best for me, with consideration to the turf right now.

Thanks. Which site do you use for your watch list?

BCOURTNEY
07-21-2018, 10:44 PM
Thanks. Which site do you use for your watch list?

I use my computer at home.

MadVindication
07-21-2018, 10:53 PM
I use my computer at home.

I doubt there's a better way to handicapping than watching races and tracking horses. :ThmbUp: Maybe there's a computer algorithim that can identify a push-button horse who rises to the challenge when threatened in the way physics can detect minute changes in an objects velocity when another object is near but I don't think that's any substitute for our own human observations.

Lemon Drop Husker
07-21-2018, 10:56 PM
I use my computer at home.


Mad. That is the pure hard reality. Experience. Watching races. And even personal numbers built after years of playing.



That is an NHC championship contender in BCOURTNEY.

papillon
07-22-2018, 04:08 PM
Surprised there are no posts on the San Diego anywhere.

Also surprised at the silence around Todd Schrupp and Simon Bray's post-race ejaculatory coronation of the Sadler horse as the best horse in America despite Justify.

The silence on the zero MTP odds collapse on the 10-1 other Hollendorfer to like 7-2 in the 2 year old race against the winning Hollendofer favorite that the scuttlebutt has said is better than Instagrand, is surprising. Shrupp and Bray were really worked up about that, esp since the odds-drop Hollendorfer probably would have won with just a tad more real estate.

And the absence of discussion on the Looch's exit from the sport precipitated by the disqualification of his winner based on his other horse in the race supposedly blocking for his benefit, despite it being clear that he was going to win regardless and the blocking being subjective.

GMB@BP
07-22-2018, 04:17 PM
And the absence of discussion on the Looch's exit from the sport.

where are you talking about?

Tom
07-23-2018, 10:59 AM
There were post about the the San Diego - all of mine in this thread! :lol:
Got confused.

I posted about the Looch in the super trainer thread.
The San Diego turned into a :sleeping: race with all the scratches.
Nothing to talk about. Eat chalk of move on.