Brad Free: - at DMR??

[Fastracehorse]

http://www.drf.com/dmr/2004/free.html

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[Speed Figure]

Fast,

where ya going with this?

[BillW]

Originally posted by Speed Figure
Fast,

where ya going with this?

Not to the bank, thats for sure. :D

[Fastracehorse]

Bill W just cracked me up.

I don't know where I am going with this. I think it is interesting in light of the DRF/DVD arguments a few days back - don't you??

IOW,

Their S. Cal. 'capper might break even over 3 years spot playing at Del Mar - key word: Spot.

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[Tom]

Lessee now....

43 day meet time $5 a day for DRF = $215 time three years = $645.

Profit = $500.

BRIS daily files = $1 times 43 times 3 = $129.

The only way he makes money is he don't use the form.

Hmmmmm.:D :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D

[Speed Figure]

Maybe he should read handicapping 101.

[Marc At DRF]

Tom writes:

"43 day meet time $5 a day for DRF = $215 time three years = $645. Profit = $500.
BRIS daily files = $1 times 43 times 3 = $129."

Alternately, one could buy the DRF Online files for the Del Mar meet at $43 for 43 cards. Or any of our longterm subscription for basic PP files that move into the $1 a card range. Or $799 for unlimited access for the year, for those of you who are more serious players.

Also, in regards to Free:

1) Isn't the general complaint that public handicappers DON'T show ROI info enough? So Free does, even though we all know public 'cappers are heavily constrained by the limitations of an oddsboard they never get to see (DRF comes out well in advance), and he's getting mocked by the highly successful professional players here?


2) How would Free do if he actually had access to live odds? Would it enhance his plays?

DRF March 1, 2004
Players have their voices heard

By DAVE TULEY
LAS VEGAS - The Daily Racing Form Horseplayers Expo 2004 attendees at the Paris Hotel and Casino last weekend were there to learn about the game from a who's who of the handicapping field... (much snipped)...

Panelists vs. attendees in contest

Expo attendees were invited to participate in a handicapping contest on Sunday's cards at Aqueduct and Gulfstream to put all the theories they heard over the weekend to the test, and to compete against Expo panelists. The contest drew 118 entrants, with everyone putting up $100 and making 10 mythical $2 across-the-board wagers.

DRF handicapper Brad Free won the $5,900 first-place prize (50 percent of the pool) with a total bankroll of $147.90. Expo attendee Daniel Sullivan was second with a score of $136.90 for cash winnings of $2,360, followed by Kirchner at $128.50 for winnings of $1,770 for third; sheets guru Len Friedman at $112.90 for winnings of $1,180; and Expo attendee Allen Lloyd at $110.10 for winnings of $590.

[Fastracehorse]

1) Isn't the general complaint that public handicappers DON'T show ROI info enough? So Free does, even though we all know public 'cappers are heavily constrained by the limitations of an oddsboard they never get to see (DRF comes out well in advance), and he's getting mocked by the highly successful professional players here?

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He's not heavily constrained. Actually, Brad Free is at a huge advantage.

He is paid to be initimate with one particular circuit - more intimate
than many of us could possibly be.

Mocking?? Maybe DRF is mocking us. They are advertising his penmanships to us as elite.

And finally Marc At DRF,

There is a reason why DRF handicappers don't show their ROI. A few years back, Free wrote an article in DRF about how he was all for it - that was until he slipped into the red.

'Til you sell your first book Marc,

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[Tom]

Very touchy over at DRF theses days....can't take a liitle internet ribbing? Hmmmmm. Good thing we were only joshing....but MArc raises a good questoni..what is the purpose of public slecetors if not to pick winners? Are they there to publically lose money and then whine about it? Are they afraid to track their performance? Can they not provide a minimum odds line for their slections to be played?
Or they just totally irrelevant and serve no purpose?
Oh, the questions this issue raises!
:confused: :confused: :confused:

[Fastracehorse]

Maybe he should read handicapping 101.

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It took a minute to sink in but that is fun-knee!

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[cj]

I think what Brad Free and Brian Pochman are doing is great. The only thing I wish is that they went into a little more detail as to why they liked certain horses. I have followed there picks and many times I'm thinking, "No way in hell this horse has a shot." None of them have won, either.

I really don't care if they win or lose, but I'd like to know what thinking is going on in a serious horseplayers mind when he makes a selection.

My one complaint, Free many times says, "There is no value on the card, but Thursday's card promises some value" or something like that.

What is the point of this? I don't really think I've ever looked at 8 or 9 races and not seen a single horse I liked! Now, the odds may turn out lower than expected and my thinking changes, but a whole card, nothing a day in advance, never.

[Fastracehorse]

What is the point of this? I don't really think I've ever looked at 8 or 9 races and not seen a single horse I liked! Now, the odds may turn out lower than expected and my thinking changes, but a whole card, nothing a day in advance, never.

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Especially when you are paid to focus on one track - I wish I had that luxury.

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[GR1@HTR]

Good stuff Tom....Da COWBOYS WIN 24-20 over da Mizzo Indians!

[kenwoodallpromos]

I like the extra comments on their choices, from knowing the horses well at their tracks.

[Fastracehorse]

That was very nice of you.

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