Pletcher & Brown 23 Horses Today @BEL -- before scratches!!! who will you have???

[TheOracle]

Who will you root for Team Pletcher or Team Brown?

Pletcher's Team

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Brown's Team

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Should be interesting!!!

I guess this is the new norm for racing!!!

[TiffaniO]

Who will you root for Team Pletcher or Team Brown?

Pletcher's Team

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Brown's Team

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Should be interesting!!!

I guess this is the new norm for racing!!!

Well this is a side effect of allowing uncoupled entries...

I’ll take CB over TP any day and twice on Belmont
Day.

[TheOracle]

Well this is a side effect of allowing uncoupled entries...

I’ll take CB over TP any day and twice on Belmont
Day.


Hey TiffaniO


I hear ya I will have the results of the outcomes after today's races are finished!!!


We will see who is who!!!


I am not going with either of them instead I will go with Casse today his barn gives more bang for the buck !!!

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=145350

[TheOracle]

Well this is a side effect of allowing uncoupled entries...

I’ll take CB over TP any day and twice on Belmont
Day.

Hey TiffaniO

I guess Pletcher struck first with a punch in the face as #5 Prince Lucky $48.40 across the board!!!

I don’t think Brown can come back and have a bigger answer for that bomb today!!!

We’ll see what’s happens!!!

[TiffaniO]

Hey TiffaniO

I guess Pletcher struck first with a punch in the face as #5 Prince Lucky $48.40 across the board!!!

I don’t think Brown can come back and have a bigger answer for that bomb today!!!

We’ll see what’s happens!!!

Price wise yes...

But I look for a few big wins from CB coming up in the pick 4 sequence!

[cj]

Team Baffert.

[TheOracle]

Team Baffert.

Hey CJ


Baffert has these today at Belmont


RowNum: Date: Race: PgmNum: Horse: RaceCond: Distance: Trainer: Odds: Surface
1 06-09-2018 3rd race 6 Abel Tasman (KY) Stakes One And One Sixteenth Miles B Baffert 8/5# Dirt

2 06-09-2018 5th race 2 Hoppertunity (KY) Stakes One and One Half Miles B Baffert 5/2# Dirt

3 06-09-2018 11th race 1 Justify (KY) Stakes One and One Half Miles B Baffert 4/5# Dirt
4 06-09-2018 11th race 5 Restoring Hope (KY) Stakes One and One Half Miles B Baffert 30/1# Dirt
Considering that Baffert has 2 wins already today I don’t think #1 Justify will get it done although #5 Restoring Hope would be a huge price and that would be the only shot he has of overtaking Pletcher today per $2 win place and show wager!!!

We’ll see what happens!!!

[TheOracle]

Who will you root for Team Pletcher or Team Brown?

Pletcher's Team

http://www.insidethenumbers.net/images/comments/teampletcher.png

Brown's Team

http://www.insidethenumbers.net/images/comments/teambrown.png

Should be interesting!!!

I guess this is the new norm for racing!!!

Team Pletcher beat team Brown in terms of less loss percentage per $2 win place and show wager


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Pletcher had the better return per $2 win wager at 25%

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If Gronko could have gotten the win Brown would have beaten Pletcher without a doubt

[TheOracle]

Team Baffert.



Hey CJ


Baffert has these today at Belmont


RowNum: Date: Race: PgmNum: Horse: RaceCond: Distance: Trainer: Odds: Surface
1 06-09-2018 3rd race 6 Abel Tasman (KY) Stakes One And One Sixteenth Miles B Baffert 8/5# Dirt

2 06-09-2018 5th race 2 Hoppertunity (KY) Stakes One and One Half Miles B Baffert 5/2# Dirt

3 06-09-2018 11th race 1 Justify (KY) Stakes One and One Half Miles B Baffert 4/5# Dirt
4 06-09-2018 11th race 5 Restoring Hope (KY) Stakes One and One Half Miles B Baffert 30/1# Dirt
Considering that Baffert has 2 wins already today I don’t think #1 Justify will get it done although #5 Restoring Hope would be a huge price and that would be the only shot he has of overtaking Pletcher today per $2 win place and show wager!!!

We’ll see what happens!!!

Hey CJ


You were right Team Baffert was 2nd only to Motion for Trainers with multiple entries today in terms of win place and show returns per $2 wager across the board!!!


Below are the list of Trainers with positive win place and show returns for today's Belmont Stakes


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I didn't think Justify would do it today but he proved us all wrong!!!

[TheOracle]

I hope he runs in the Travers at Saratoga so I can take a crack at beating him in the future!!!

[TiffaniO]

I could be wrong but purely on a head to Head basis, as the OP named the thread, I believe Chad Brown’s stable grossed more purse money than the TP Barn today...

[TheOracle]

I could be wrong but purely on a head to Head basis, as the OP named the thread, I believe Chad Brown’s stable grossed more purse money than the TP Barn today...


Hey TiffaniO,

I only go by returns on investment per $2 wager!!!

It's a real shame he gets the most purse money when only 3 of 11 in his barn hit the board!!!

This is some sport huh!!!

Can you imagine if other sports gave teams or players added money winning only 3 out of every 11 games?

[TiffaniO]

Hey TiffaniO,

I only go by returns on investment per $2 wager!!!

It's a real shame he gets the most purse money when only 3 of 11 in his barn hit the board!!!

This is some sport huh!!!

Can you imagine if other sports gave teams or players added money winning only 3 out of every 11 games?

Well you didn’t state that in your original post... betting every single horse of any trainer is foolish. CB doesn’t give a darn about how much the horse pays on the tote, he cares about his 10% of the purse.

[TheOracle]

Well you didn’t state that in your original post... betting every single horse of any trainer is foolish. CB doesn’t give a darn about how much the horse pays on the tote, he cares about his 10% of the purse.


Yeah, I should have mentioned in that the post but per me I don't care about his purse money I just care about the tote payout per $2 wager usually across the board


Also, I try to see which Trainers are hot or cold in certain situations like Casse on the Turf prior to today's debacle

[TiffaniO]

Yeah, I should have mentioned in that the post but per me I don't care about his purse money I just care about the tote payout per $2 wager usually across the board


Also, I try to see which Trainers are hot or cold in certain situations like Casse on the Turf prior to today's debacle

Well on big days, you’ll notice certain trainers aren’t able to push the envelope like they can on a normal race day.

And for what it’s worth, TP only had 5 of 12 on the board and his only win was in a 150k stake. Basically the same as an allowance race today.

[TheOracle]

Well on big days, you’ll notice certain trainers aren’t able to push the envelope like they can on a normal race day.

And for what it’s worth, TP only had 5 of 12 on the board and his only win was in a 150k stake. Basically the same as an allowance race today.


Hey TiffaniO

You know what I've noticed about Brown, his Allowance Optional Claimers when they have Morning Lines less than 3-1 seem to do quite well on the Turf at Belmont for him

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Since May 3rd, 2017 you are getting a 19% return per $2 win wager on his horses in this situation

I know it's not much but this is one of the few instances where he gives a pretty decent return and you can rely on his horses!!!

I don't know what the exacta payouts were when his horses finished 1st or 2nd but 25 of the last 36 might have some decent payouts!!!

So you might be right he probably pushes the envelope on the big days but quietly picks up his checks in the smaller races!!!

[TiffaniO]

Hey TiffaniO

You know what I've noticed about Brown, his Allowance Optional Claimers when they have Morning Lines less than 3-1 seem to do quite well on the Turf at Belmont for him

http://www.insidethenumbers.net/images/comments/brownoptclmrsbel.png

Since May 3rd, 2017 you are getting a 19% return per $2 win wager on his horses in this situation

I know it's not much but this is one of the few instances where he gives a pretty decent return and you can rely on his horses!!!

I don't know what the exacta payouts were when his horses finished 1st or 2nd but 25 of the last 36 might have some decent payouts!!!

So you might be right he probably pushes the envelope on the big days but quietly picks up his checks in the smaller races!!!

That’s awesome info and fits right into my theory.

[TheOracle]

That’s awesome info and fits right into my theory.


Yeah, I'm going to start watching him on the Turf in these races

[TiffaniO]

Yeah, I'm going to start watching him on the Turf in these races

I don’t know about ROI but Md Sp Wt is a good place to play him too.

[TheOracle]

I don’t know about ROI but Md Sp Wt is a good place to play him too.


Hey TiffaniO

You are 100% correct and thanks for leading me to see this but Brown's return in Maiden Special Weight races on the Turf at Belmont has been absolutely phenomenal!!!

I did some digging going back to 2014 up until yesterday for Brown's Maiden Special Weight horses on the Turf

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Brown's Maiden Special Weight Turfers have been giving you a solid 28% return to win per $2 win wager going back to 2014 which is unbelievable!!!!

Although, the win percentage is under 30% the returns more than make up for it and it's interesting to note that in 2017 Brown's Maiden Special Weight Turfers gave you a 43% return per $2 win wager!!!

I am hoping this years crop of Maiden Special Weight Turfers is at least half as good as last years group!!!

Let's watch his Maiden Special Weights on the Turf at Belmont for the rest of the season!!!

[TiffaniO]

Hey TiffaniO

You are 100% correct and thanks for leading me to see this but Brown's return in Maiden Special Weight races on the Turf at Belmont has been absolutely phenomenal!!!

I did some digging going back to 2014 up until yesterday for Brown's Maiden Special Weight horses on the Turf

http://www.insidethenumbers.net/images/comments/ccbrownmdnfryrfou.png

Brown's Maiden Special Weight Turfers have been giving you a solid 28% return to win per $2 win wager going back to 2014 which is unbelievable!!!!

Although, the win percentage is under 30% the returns more than make up for it and it's interesting to note that in 2017 Brown's Maiden Special Weight Turfers gave you a 43% return per $2 win wager!!!

I am hoping this years crop of Maiden Special Weight Turfers is at least half as good as last years group!!!

Let's watch his Maiden Special Weights on the Turf at Belmont for the rest of the season!!!

I’m a broken clock... correct 2x a day lol

[TheOracle]

I’m a broken clock... correct 2x a day lol

Hahaha lol lmfao