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formula_2002
09-01-2004, 07:11 AM
Just came back from a two day stay at the Borgata in Atlantic City and had the crap dreamer's dream come true. Seven consecutive passes on the come line.

On each of the last 5 passes I was placing a 5% bet of my bet for the employees.
You could feel the vibes..
Only played the pass line w/o backing up. I figured it out later that it cost me about 11% not backing up the bet.

I never bet the numbers.

You have got to love the "Take-out" in this game 1.41% on the pass line.

Zaf
09-01-2004, 07:28 AM
Yes you can knock down the 1.4 % even lower by taking multiple odds behind your Pass Line Bet :)

ZAFONIC

so.cal.fan
09-01-2004, 09:20 AM
ALWAYS TAKE THE ODDS......ALWAYS.....

formula_2002
09-01-2004, 10:11 AM
Thats what the dealer said just before a rolled a 7 on the come out roll.

You're right about taking the odds in the long run, but I was only there for two days.

For the rest of my life I'll probabably be back 3 to 4 times a year, hardly enough to make a meaningful quanity of bets that would meet a statistical study.

I just like the idea that on the come out roll I have a 1-2 chance of winning against throwing craps (22% of winning vs a 11% chance of losing) and they pay off at 1-1!!!

I just deal with the remaing 66%.

It's like splitting 10's against a dealers 6. You would have to play several thousand such hands to prove it's a bad bet . Who's got that amount of time here on earth;)

Joe M

Lefty
09-01-2004, 12:08 PM
A lot of myths about craps. No matter what you do it is negative expectation. Taking the odds will only brk you even on that bet over the long run and you still lose the 1.4 on the line bets. It's a fun game, but unlike horses, there's no way to get an overlay.

Dave Schwartz
09-01-2004, 12:58 PM
Lefty,

You are, of course right about the game.

Actually, there is but it is not in the conventional sense.

I have a friend in Las Vegas that lives on comps. He specializes in video poker and BJ machines (i.e. games that come very close to being even). He only plays on double and triple "point" days and is on everyone's "gold card" list. He manages his playing time based upon who is offering what (i.e. "Here's $75 per day for you to play slots with from Sept. 8-10").

He told me that he redeems for cash whenever possible, never pays for a meal or gas, and has a house full of DVDs and big screen TVs. He said that he nets about $18 per hour doing this. A very tough way to make a living. (Never pays taxes, btw.)

Whenever we go to Las Vegas, we see him first for rooms and meals. <G>

He has been doing this for almost 20 years.

So, in theory, he could convert his play to comps and more than break even. <G>


Dave

so.cal.fan
09-01-2004, 01:38 PM
That is really interesting, Dave.
I hate gambling....LOL, but if I ever go to a casino (doubtful) I'll try that!
Is the strategy on the video poker and blackjack machines the same as the live games?
Are all machines the same?
I would think the $1 ones would have the lowest takeout?
I've seen those comps, I always do that, just because I don't want to gamble the money.......I used to save them up and use the money to go to a Spa at one of the hotels....
The last time I was in a casino was at the Aqua Caliente Indian Casino outside of Palm Springs, Calif. I did play the video poker and I won $75 !!!! I quit immediately and left with a profit!!!!
I was really happy....felt like I just beat the world.....LOL!!!!
I think the real trick is to quit while you are ahead?????

Zaf
09-01-2004, 08:52 PM
Originally posted by Lefty
A lot of myths about craps. No matter what you do it is negative expectation. Taking the odds will only brk you even on that bet over the long run and you still lose the 1.4 on the line bets. It's a fun game, but unlike horses, there's no way to get an overlay.

There are certain casinos where the 2 & 12 in the field pay 3-1. The house has no edge on this bet whatsoever ;) .

ZAFONIC

superfecta
09-01-2004, 11:08 PM
Originally posted by formula_2002
Just came back from a two day stay at the Borgata in Atlantic City and had the crap dreamer's dream come true. Seven consecutive passes on the come line.

On each of the last 5 passes I was placing a 5% bet of my bet for the employees.
You could feel the vibes..
Only played the pass line w/o backing up. I figured it out later that it cost me about 11% not backing up the bet.

I never bet the numbers.

You have got to love the "Take-out" in this game 1.41% on the pass line. IF you don't take the free odds,you may as well not play.You are limiting your profit potential with no decrease of bankroll.AND if you happen to make a few passes like that,you can get a ridiculous return on your bets.On a table a few years ago,i was playing 25 bucks on the pass and taking free odds.guy next to me was playing 50 only on the passline.We in effect were playing the same amount of money,give or take a few dollars depending on the point # odds.Well in an hour we had a few losers but alot of points were rolled,so many that I turned a thousand dollar profit from 50 bucks.Guy that bet passline was up less than 500.And he tips me for rollin the dice.

ceejay
09-02-2004, 09:24 AM
There's not much more fun in the gambling world than being on a roll at the craps table. It's up there with seeing the horses cross the finish line for a 4-figure payout!

I view craps as a down-trending sine wave. I take the odds, and try to "walk" while I'm ahead.

Lefty
09-02-2004, 12:16 PM
Zafonic, sure they do. The edge is a lot of rolls and numbers come up between the 2 and 12.

Dave Schwartz
09-02-2004, 01:16 PM
CeeJay,

You are right. There is nothing more exciting than a multi-hour dice hand.

I recall dealing craps at the Golden Nugget in 1976. It was a quarter crap game to $5k. The dice just kept rolling and rolling. When it started there was not $200 between all the players in the rail.

(As I relate this story, please remember the year. A player with a $10k card was a very big deal back then. Such a card would qualify one for complete airfare and hotel from the east coast.)

The dice just rolled. I recall that I was on 2nd base, went to 3rd, took a break and came back on the stick. By that time the quarter players were betting green quarters, the $5 players were in black checks, and to the great concern of Nugget management, the biggest player in the room had joined them. He now had about $30k in the rail after starting with 2 called place bets on the 6-8 for $600 each in the middle of a number.

So, as I come in on the stick, everybody is on the hard ways for $10 or more, and the dealers have a combined total of around $80 on each hard way.

The dice roll: Hard ten. I direct all the players to be paid around the table. "Dealers take $640 and down. Thank you very much." Everybody puts us back up.

The dice roll: Hard eight. I direct all the players to be paid around the table. "Dealers take $800 and down. Thank you very much." Everybody puts us back up.

That is how it goes. Hard eight, hard six, hard eight. Take 4-5 minutes to pay everyone. BTW, In those days we wore these red-checkered shirts at the Nugget, with two button-down front pockets. Both of those huge, baggy pockets were filled with green checks, as were the two back pockets of my pants (the Nugget did not like to give the dealers black checks) .

Okay, so now the story starts. After the first 5 or 6 consecutive hard ways, where about $10-15k is being paid out on every roll, suddenly it strikes me as funny. I just can't stop laughing.

"Six, hard six." Snicker, snicker. "Pay this man $270." He-he. "Pay him $9,000." Snicker.

Management does not take losing well and expects the dealers to look serious and somber while they are losing their shirts. It is just very difficult for one to look sad while stuffing one's pockets with money. I really thought I'd be fired.

At one point I was in an absolute state of pure laughter, which only caused the table to increase the dealer tokes. The 2nd in command leans across the table and asks, "Do you see something funny about this?"

I made a second turn around the table, came back on the stick and went to 2nd base before there was a seven out. That represents 9 positions; almost 3 hours!



Regards,
Dave Schwartz

betchatoo
09-02-2004, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by Dave Schwartz
CeeJay,

You are right. There is nothing more exciting than a multi-hour dice hand.

II made a second turn around the table, came back on the stick and went to 2nd base before there was a seven out. That represents 9 positions; almost 3 hours!



Regards,
Dave Schwartz

One of my dreams in life is to be on a 3 hour crap run (last time I was in Vegas someone told us the record was 3 hours 18 minutes). You have lived the dream (albiet from the wrong side of the table). And screw the bosses with no sense of humor. I never saw them feel sympathy for me at an ice cold table

Dave Schwartz
09-02-2004, 01:35 PM
betchatoo,

"I never saw them feel sympathy for me at an ice cold table."

Boy, you got that right.


On a Saturday night at the old Dunes, every roll took 3-4 minutes to complete, while downtown could easily be 30 seconds. So, when it comes to time at the crap table, there is no real benchmark.

I'd say what really counts is the number of passes, or even more important, the total number of rolls since it is generally the place bets and come bets that kill the joints.

And make no mistake... They are all "joints." My dad always said that; "Some are glittzier than others but they are all still joints trying to separate you from your money."


Dave