Racing at Epsom Friday and Saturday

[jocko699]

All,

Great races both days at Epsom. The first post on Friday is 9:00am EST.

I believe the best racehorse in the world, Cracksman, races Friday in race 3. I will post selections for both days on this thread.

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Aloha

[Spalding No!]

Great races both days at Epsom. The first post on Friday is 9:00am EST.

I believe the best racehorse in the world, Cracksman, races Friday in race 3. I will post selections for both days on this thread.

Hunting for longshots, especially with soft ground a possibility:

Coronation Cup:

Cracksman is on a tear, but has yet to win a Group 1 over 12 furlongs, failing in both the Epsom and Irish Derbies last year. He took down 12 furlong preps for the St. Leger and Arc respectively, but beat short fields of only 3yos most of whom he had already outclassed in the aforementioned Classics. Bottom line: suspect at the distance in Group 1 company, however, this is hardly the toughest Group 1 ever assembled.

Hawkbill is another who has won at 12 furlongs in lesser company, but not been consistent at the Group 1 level. He has handled soft ground last year, but curiously couldn't stand up on it in 2016, though he's a better horse now. Half to underachiever and Belmont Stakes possible Free Drop Billy.

Longshot = Windstoss at over 30/1

This is last year's German Derby winner. He handles 12 furlongs and improves immensely on soft ground. He also likes to take in a prep race before firing off his best, as he tends to show speed off the bench but sits at the back of the pack when in to win. Well, he got his prep early this month in a German Group 2, setting the early pace before staying along for a minor award. He'll be sharper here. Stepping up, but a couple of Godolphin runners that were within a few lengths of Cracksman at Epsom tried Windstoss last year and couldn't hang with him. Not out of reach if Cracksman can't stay.

Epsom Oaks:

Seems like an evenly matched field with no standout. With the soft ground in mind, the longshot look goes to Bye Bye Baby at around 8-1. She handles soft ground, taking a Group 3 wire-to-wire in her last start. Even tested colts on soft ground over 7 furlongs as a juvenile, placing behind stablemate Kenya, who currently serves as a Coolmore pacemaker. Her mother is Remember When who, although a maiden, nearly reeled in 2 Classics, missing in a blanket finish in the Irish 1000 Guineas and then running a sharp 2nd in this very race a few years ago.

Epsom Derby:

Much has been made of Saxon Warrior's speed, which garnered him the 2000 Guineas and now makes him a Triple Crown threat, but perhaps that handiness will find him out over 12 furlongs. He has had to battle to earn his big wins (2000 Guineas, Racing Post Trophy). He has won on soft ground, though.

Second favorite Roaring Lion has the same concerns, as his granddam is the Californian, Cambiocorsa, a specialist over the down-the-hill 6.5 furlong turf course at Santa Anita. He failed in both the 2000 Guineas and his seasonal debut, but shocked last out when stretching out. Third favorite Hazapour won well last time, but was hardly dominant and he's by Shamardal, a Giant's Causeway sire that seems better suited to 10 furlongs or less.

Two longshots worth a look here are Masar and Delano Roosevelt.

Masar also hails from the 2000 Guineas camp, but he's sired by New Approach, a speedy colt who was able to stretch his speed to win the Epsom Derby. Masar was yet another also-ran from the great Mendelssohn's BC Juvenile Turf, however he was absolutely brutalized throughout the first 6 furlongs, steadied, stuck between horses, and shuffled backed to last before ripping off down the stretch under a hand ride to get by the bulk of the field. Useless on the Meydan dirt, but absolutely humiliated Roaring Lion in his Guineas prep, then ran away from him in the final furlong of the 2000 Guineas itself, when running a good 3rd behind Saxon Warrior. A tall order, but he's forgotten in the betting at 16/1 even though his form at 8 furlongs fits with the two favorites.

Delano Roosevelt is a big lumbery Galileo colt, but he handles off turf and has finished well in his last couple of starts. He owns just a maiden win, but so did last year's winner Wings of Eagles, so maybe he can save the day at 12/1 for Coolmore if Saxon Warrior doesn't show up.

[biggestal99]

6/1 Epsom selections

14:00 Conditions----1 Cosmic Law--Progressive Type needs to be able to handle the ground, which is a question mark for almost all of these

14:35 Handicap-----3 Mythical Madness--up a few pounds from last year but 100% likes Track/Distance

15:10 Coronation Cup--1 Cracksman---cannot be opposed at a small price

15:45 Handicap-----4 Ajman King----Hot chalkie Loves Epsom

16:30 Oaks---------9 Wild Illusion----should relish 12F with aplomb

17:15 Surrey--------4 Lake Volta---lone run on soft ground was top notch

17:50 Handicap------7 Ripp Orf---handicapper has not quite caught up to him yet

Allan

[biggestal99]

On A personal note.

I was at Epsom on an off day. Its a HUGE track. Bigger than Belmont.

Riding it must be tough.

Allan

[chiguy]

Ex wife is from this area. Many walks around the course off season with the dog. Beautiful track. Went to see the Derby one year, Nashwan was the winner. Those last couple of furlongs are uphill. Very tough test.

[jocko699]

Good Morning All!!!!!

Let's have a great and safe day at Epsom.

We will start our day of punting with a $40WP bet on #8 True Belief in Race 1.

GL

[biggestal99]

Good Morning All!!!!!

Let's have a great and safe day at Epsom.

We will start our day of punting with a $40WP bet on #8 True Belief in Race 1.

GL

Appleby has been cold all week. Only 2 chalks from his last 20 runners.

I'd say use this one underneath. I am thinking 2nd.

Allan

[jocko699]

Good Morning All!!!!!

Let's have a great and safe day at Epsom.

We will start our day of punting with a $40WP bet on #8 True Belief in Race 1.

GL

Yuck. Dead last. -$80.00

[biggestal99]

14:00 Conditions----1 Cosmic Law--Progressive Type needs to be able to handle the ground, which is a question mark for almost all of these



Man. easy win. 11-1 on the tote. 13-1 on Betfair. Too bad they dont take bets for Jersey exchange for Epsom.

onward and upward.

Allan

[jocko699]

Yuck. Dead last. -$80.00

$-80.00

R2 #2 Donncha $30WP

Don't like 0 for the last 2 years but...……………………..

GL

[jocko699]

$-80.00

R2 #2 Donncha $30WP

Don't like 0 for the last 2 years but...……………………..

GL

Cancel bet, no bet!!!

[biggestal99]

14:35 Handicap-----3 Mythical Madness--up a few pounds from last year but 100% likes Track/Distance



2nd. nice run but the tote payoff for place 3.80 bah.

Allan

[jocko699]

Cracksman!!!!!!! What a race!!!!!!!

[biggestal99]

Cracksman!!!!!!! What a race!!!!!!!

Frontrunning bomber almost beat him.

in the end however......

Really good horse prevails and a very short price.

Allan

[jocko699]

Cracksman!!!!!!! What a race!!!!!!!

-$80.00

I don't see how #4 Ajman King loses in race 4. $50 W #4

[Hoops McCann]

i think the longer distance will be even better for Saxon Warrior. we'll see.

[jocko699]

-$80.00

I don't see how #4 Ajman King loses in race 4. $50 W #4

Win, but 4/5:pound:

Ok - $35.00

[biggestal99]

Win, but 4/5:pound:

Ok - $35.00

Would have paid over 6/5 on the Jersey exchange. (4.84 - .66 = 4.28) alas stuck with the lower tote price once again.

Allan

[biggestal99]

i think the longer distance will be even better for Saxon Warrior. we'll see.

Ground a huge concern for SW.

Allan

[jocko699]

Win, but 4/5:pound:

Ok - $35.00

-$35.00

Investec Oaks


$25WP #8 Perfect Clarity stays undefeated!!!

GL

[jocko699]

-$35.00

Investec Oaks


$25WP #8 Perfect Clarity stays undefeated!!!

GL

-$85.00

Congratulations to Donnacha O'Brien.

[biggestal99]

17:15 Surrey--------4 Lake Volta---lone run on soft ground was top notch




somehow I was hoping for more. some sharpies knocked down the price. 8 measly bucks.

Allan

[jocko699]

-$85.00

Congratulations to Donnacha O'Brien.

Race 7

$25WP #12 Clubbable

[jocko699]

Race 7

$25WP #12 Clubbable

Yuck, terrible day -$135.00

We'll get em tomorrow.

[biggestal99]

Yuck, terrible day -$135.00

We'll get em tomorrow.

One mans terrible day is another one's decent one

4 winners 2 seconds 1 out.

Not bad would have done better if I had access to the X.

Allan

[cj]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI9-RUJmF4M

[Red Knave]

He Got'im! Got'im!!

Thanks for the link cj. :)

[biggestal99]

6/2 Epsom selections

14:00–Handicap—5 ship of the fen—monster win at Donny is a nice set for this race

14:35–Princess Elizabeth—3 shennanigans—beat chalk Lincoln rocks last year at Goodwood; consistent

15:10–Diomed—2 Brenton river—classy; runs well fresh

15:45–handicap—2 Caspian Prince—golden oldie covets this track

16:30–Derby—3 hazapour—nice run in prep for this; was born to love distance

17:15–handicap—-10 stand of the fast—loves distance and track: has won at Epsom before

17:50–handicap—3 Shanghai glory—strictly a horse for course play in finale.

Allan

[Tom]

Coverage on NBCSP right now (10 am Saturday)

[spiketoo]

Liking Masar a bit here.

Euro ITV coverage on NBCSN is excellent! 'Luv the queen in lavender'...

[spiketoo]

Like him even more now.

[Afleet]

Hunting for longshots, especially with soft ground a possibility:



Epsom Derby:

Much has been made of Saxon Warrior's speed, which garnered him the 2000 Guineas and now makes him a Triple Crown threat, but perhaps that handiness will find him out over 12 furlongs. He has had to battle to earn his big wins (2000 Guineas, Racing Post Trophy). He has won on soft ground, though.

Second favorite Roaring Lion has the same concerns, as his granddam is the Californian, Cambiocorsa, a specialist over the down-the-hill 6.5 furlong turf course at Santa Anita. He failed in both the 2000 Guineas and his seasonal debut, but shocked last out when stretching out. Third favorite Hazapour won well last time, but was hardly dominant and he's by Shamardal, a Giant's Causeway sire that seems better suited to 10 furlongs or less.

Two longshots worth a look here are Masar and Delano Roosevelt.

Masar also hails from the 2000 Guineas camp, but he's sired by New Approach, a speedy colt who was able to stretch his speed to win the Epsom Derby. Masar was yet another also-ran from the great Mendelssohn's BC Juvenile Turf, however he was absolutely brutalized throughout the first 6 furlongs, steadied, stuck between horses, and shuffled backed to last before ripping off down the stretch under a hand ride to get by the bulk of the field. Useless on the Meydan dirt, but absolutely humiliated Roaring Lion in his Guineas prep, then ran away from him in the final furlong of the 2000 Guineas itself, when running a good 3rd behind Saxon Warrior. A tall order, but he's forgotten in the betting at 16/1 even though his form at 8 furlongs fits with the two favorites.

Delano Roosevelt is a big lumbery Galileo colt, but he handles off turf and has finished well in his last couple of starts. He owns just a maiden win, but so did last year's winner Wings of Eagles, so maybe he can save the day at 12/1 for Coolmore if Saxon Warrior doesn't show up.

Hope you fired Masar

[Afleet]

Liking Masar a bit here.

Euro ITV coverage on NBCSN is excellent! 'Luv the queen in lavender'...

nice call-hope you fired him

[Tom]

So I do not follow Euro-racing at all. Never heard of any of the horses, but this 4-5 shot that look invincible, what is his story - never a factor in the race. He rode the rail until a hole opened up, then the the hole outran him.

[biggestal99]

So I do not follow Euro-racing at all. Never heard of any of the horses, but this 4-5 shot that look invincible, what is his story - never a factor in the race. He rode the rail until a hole opened up, then the the hole outran him.

bad ride by Jock; Saxon Warrior might have gotten second place with a clean run. could not beat Masar. clearly did not like the track. Epsom Derby claims another victim, There was a reason Frankel ducked the Derby and this was it.

Allan

[Hoops McCann]

bad ride by Jock; Saxon Warrior might have gotten second place with a clean run. could not beat Masar. clearly did not like the track. Epsom Derby claims another victim, There was a reason Frankel ducked the Derby and this was it.

Allan

yeah he struggled with that track for sure. he wasn't going to win even with a clean trip. got 4th on class alone. nice run by the winner.