ALLINONE Revisited

[lefty359]

I'm missing doing my own pl selection so thinking sbout updating my Cynpub ALLINONE software to get current pars. Anyone here use it and if so, what's your thoughts?

[betovernetcapper]

Was originally written by Gordon Pine 20 years ago. You can do better.

[ldiatone]

Was originally written by Gordon Pine 20 years ago. You can do better.
i do not think Pine wrote it. Gordon wrote his own around that time. i was using the "dos" AIO that ran in windows in the early 90's. some say AIO was the old Phase III and Mitchell upgraded it.

[ldiatone]

Pine wrote "NetCapper" web site is still up but do not know if its supported

[lawmaker1]

Gordon Pine wrote the pars for AIO. The late Dick Mitchell and Ron Ambrose were the driving forces behind AIO. The program produces a very accurate odds line and was among the first to use track models.

[Dave Schwartz]

As I recall, it was David ______ (fill in the blank with an Asian name) who wrote All-In-One.

I can tell you that Gordon Pine was one of the finest men I've known in all my years in racing.

[lawmaker1]

Did Gordon die? Always a classy guy.

[Dave Schwartz]

David Okamora sounds about right as the programmer.

[betovernetcapper]

i do not think Pine wrote it. Gordon wrote his own around that time. i was using the "dos" AIO that ran in windows in the early 90's. some say AIO was the old Phase III and Mitchell upgraded it.

Gordon was the programmer for Cynthia Publishing. I know this because I was one of the original users & anytime there was a problem, I'd have to talk with Gordon. At any rate, something happened and Mitchell went off the reservation. He started a website that had a weekly contest. If you could beat Mitchel's selection, you'd win a free All In One. I won two of them & sold them on Ebay. He even tried to sell a stock called "bet over the net" for $10,000. That didn't fly. When I told Gordon that Mitchell was giving the program away, he was pissed. He left shortly after that. Right around then the pars needed updating. Mitchell got Dave Schwartz to put together something like the track adjustment numbers that you'd add to the DRF fig + the DRF variant that was in Quirin's book. At this point, I sold my copy & began using The Capper when it came out. Mitchell left handicapping to teach grade school arithmetic in Yuma. He then died. He was a very boring speaker & I wouldn't be surprised if one of the students jabbed his compass into his eyeball, but that's just speculation on my part.
Gordon is still alive & well. He & his wife went to China & adopted a baby girl. He also wrote a very good book called Newthink: The Hidden Logic of Progressivism and the Usurpation of the Traditional American Worldviewalled.

As I said IMO you can do better.

[lefty359]

The betting line in the NetCapper demo looks about the same as AllInOne to me. Also with AllINONE you can do manual input if you don't want to take the expensive downloads. Gonna give it another go-round.

[ldiatone]

The betting line in the NetCapper demo looks about the same as AllInOne to me. Also with AllINONE you can do manual input if you don't want to take the expensive downloads. Gonna give it another go-round.

with the downloads there are 2 new screens. one is called LifeLiner Spread Column. and if one uses the "auto update" one can view reports. and after races instead of using the pars it will use profiles of the races.

[lefty359]

Yeah, I know, but these days I can't afford the download. What is Lifeline? What kind of info does it contain?

[ldiatone]

Yeah, I know, but these days I can't afford the download. What is Lifeline? What kind of info does it contain?

it lists highest to lowest: - CLASS- EARLY- PACE -SPEED - SPR
also "alerts" just some info about the race chaos or etc. WMF

[betovernetcapper]

If this is what you want, go for it :puke:

https://vimeo.com/254083508

[PaceAdvantage]

If this is what you want, go for it :puke:Ummmmm....what are you saying betovernetcapper? Can't quite get why you posted this?

Steve Unite...he's one of the guys behind Cynthia...been so for YEARS and YEARS that I can recall...and?

[ldiatone]

that is not nice at all. Steve is a nice fellow. lets not attack a person like that.
he makes those videos about the new pars that come out each year. and other videos about races coming up. i like Steve and I talk/write to him all the time.
and if you have not used the program AIO don't knock it. i have won a lot of money using it. i like it.

[ldiatone]

Ummmmm....what are you saying betovernetcapper? Can't quite get why you posted this?

Steve Unite...he's one of the guys behind Cynthia...been so for YEARS and YEARS that I can recall...and?
:ThmbUp:

[lefty359]

it lists highest to lowest: - CLASS- EARLY- PACE -SPEED - SPR
also "alerts" just some info about the race chaos or etc. WMF

Thanks for the info.

If they had the option to just dl one or two tracks, i'd go for it.

[lefty359]

Gordon was the programmer for Cynthia Publishing. I know this because I was one of the original users & anytime there was a problem, I'd have to talk with Gordon. At any rate, something happened and Mitchell went off the reservation. He started a website that had a weekly contest. If you could beat Mitchel's selection, you'd win a free All In One. I won two of them & sold them on Ebay. He even tried to sell a stock called "bet over the net" for $10,000. That didn't fly. When I told Gordon that Mitchell was giving the program away, he was pissed. He left shortly after that. Right around then the pars needed updating. Mitchell got Dave Schwartz to put together something like the track adjustment numbers that you'd add to the DRF fig + the DRF variant that was in Quirin's book. At this point, I sold my copy & began using The Capper when it came out. Mitchell left handicapping to teach grade school arithmetic in Yuma. He then died. He was a very boring speaker & I wouldn't be surprised if one of the students jabbed his compass into his eyeball, but that's just speculation on my part.
Gordon is still alive & well. He & his wife went to China & adopted a baby girl. He also wrote a very good book called Newthink: The Hidden Logic of Progressivism and the Usurpation of the Traditional American Worldviewalled.

As I said IMO you can do better.

I think he wasn't the same after he lost Cynthia Publishing In a divorce.

[lefty359]

that is not nice at all. Steve is a nice fellow. lets not attack a person like that.
he makes those videos about the new pars that come out each year. and other videos about races coming up. i like Steve and I talk/write to him all the time.
and if you have not used the program AIO don't knock it. i have won a lot of money using it. i like it.

How did you use it, betting line or? My update should arrive before I go back to Racebook Wed.

[ldiatone]

How did you use it, betting line or? My update should arrive before I go back to Racebook Wed.
i used the b/bl then i viewed speed/pace summary,
factors summary( can find some winners on this screen) then pace graph(pr). when i use the downloads and select pace lines i like to also use the ALT screen as it reads like a match up. the race projections and the best projection of the horse.
b surprised how some of the Platinum Strategies sill work.

[PaceAdvantage]

that is not nice at all. Steve is a nice fellow. lets not attack a person like that.
he makes those videos about the new pars that come out each year. and other videos about races coming up. i like Steve and I talk/write to him all the time.
and if you have not used the program AIO don't knock it. i have won a lot of money using it. i like it.Pretty sure he was on Jeopardy! once too, yes?

[ldiatone]

Pretty sure he was on Jeopardy! once too, yes?
yes he won i think about 90 grand! and there was another show he was on. very short time show mayb 13 weeks.

[atlasaxis]

How did you use it, betting line or? My update should arrive before I go back to Racebook Wed.


Lefty, do yourself a favor and get the "AIO V6 Seminar in a Box, as well as DVD #9: 'LifeLiner Tutorial". It will answer all your questions in depth. Steve Unite is a class act and one smart guy.

[lefty359]

Lefty, do yourself a favor and get the "AIO V6 Seminar in a Box, as well as DVD #9: 'LifeLiner Tutorial". It will answer all your questions in depth. Steve Unite is a class act and one smart guy.
I bought the seminar yrs ago. Can't find it now.

[lefty359]

i used the b/bl then i viewed speed/pace summary,
factors summary( can find some winners on this screen) then pace graph(pr). when i use the downloads and select pace lines i like to also use the ALT screen as it reads like a match up. the race projections and the best projection of the horse.
b surprised how some of the Platinum Strategies sill work.

Once again, I thank you.

[betovernetcapper]

The betting line in the NetCapper demo looks about the same as AllInOne to me. Also with AllINONE you can do manual input if you don't want to take the expensive downloads. Gonna give it another go-round.

If the program works as advertised and you've won "a lot of money" with it, why would you be concerned with the data fees which are only $100 a month?

Regarding the annual par charts, par charts are used mainly to create
a variant on a new track & then only until you have enough figures to use the more accurate projection method. Given that the Cramer figures have the variant & track/distance adjustments (even accounting for run up distances & rail position on the turf), why would you need new pars every year? If for some reason you do need up to date pars, why are you using (and paying for) the pars for last year? The 2018 Saratoga pars are created from the 2017 races at Saratoga and the 2017 pars were created from 2016 & so on & so on. If there is a radical chance in the pars due to say a major change in the purse structure, wouldn't you want to take that into account at that meeting and not use charts that are a year old?

If you want to buy "new" par times charts every year & DVDS (btw who even has a DVD player anymore?) or VHS tapes or scribbling on stone tablets, then Cynthia Publishing is the place to go. They are more then happy to take your money. If the line is busy try RPM or Tom Console. They always seem to have a magical system that produces a high percentage of winners at huge prices with no effort on your part.

[betovernetcapper]

[QUOTE=PaceAdvantage;2300150]Ummmmm....what are you saying betovernetcapper? Can't quite get why you posted this?

Steve Unite...he's one of the guys behind Cynthia...been so for YEARS and YEARS that I can recall...and?[/QUOTEI

It's true he's been there forever but his main function seemed to be in answering the phone & marketing. I'm unaware of any major handicapping works that he's produced.

[atlasaxis]

[QUOTE=PaceAdvantage;2300150]Ummmmm....what are you saying betovernetcapper? Can't quite get why you posted this?

Steve Unite...he's one of the guys behind Cynthia...been so for YEARS and YEARS that I can recall...and?[/QUOTEI

It's true he's been there forever but his main function seemed to be in answering the phone & marketing. I'm unaware of any major handicapping works that he's produced.



Steve has done extensive work in updating the videos of Dick Mitchell, as well as creating the all-in-one seminar in a box tutorial. In 2010 he produced the DVD of the month program. Every year at Kentucky Derby, Preakness, Belmont he puts out an analysis. In the summer he puts out the Saratoga and Del Mar winning trainer tricks analysis, and for Breeders Cup he puts out the live up to the minute analysis. Everyday he offers live Longshot analysis, and when the California Florida and New York tracks are running he offers free selections for the last contentious race of the day, and also writes a hidden entries column everyday with more freebies. All of which you would find out for yourself if you just took a few minutes and perused the Cynthia publishing website.

[lefty359]

If the program works as advertised and you've won "a lot of money" with it, why would you be concerned with the data fees which are only $100 a month?

Regarding the annual par charts, par charts are used mainly to create
a variant on a new track & then only until you have enough figures to use the more accurate projection method. Given that the Cramer figures have the variant & track/distance adjustments (even accounting for run up distances & rail position on the turf), why would you need new pars every year? If for some reason you do need up to date pars, why are you using (and paying for) the pars for last year? The 2018 Saratoga pars are created from the 2017 races at Saratoga and the 2017 pars were created from 2016 & so on & so on. If there is a radical chance in the pars due to say a major change in the purse structure, wouldn't you want to take that into account at that meeting and not use charts that are a year old?

If you want to buy "new" par times charts every year & DVDS (btw who even has a DVD player anymore?) or VHS tapes or scribbling on stone tablets, then Cynthia Publishing is the place to go. They are more then happy to take your money. If the line is busy try RPM or Tom Console. They always seem to have a magical system that produces a high percentage of winners at huge prices with no effort on your part.

The reason I'm concerned wih data costs is because I don' have the bankroll I

used to have. Reason for updating is because my old ALLINONE has 2007 pars. So you're saying Netcapper is better when it is modeled after ALLINONE it seems. A few more bells and whistles at a higher price. How much is their data. Prob comes from the same source.

[lefty359]

Lefty, do yourself a favor and get the "AIO V6 Seminar in a Box, as well as DVD #9: 'LifeLiner Tutorial". It will answer all your questions in depth. Steve Unite is a class act and one smart guy.

One thing I do still have is his book, 21st Century Handicapping. Very helpful in illustrating how Mitchell used ALLINONE.

[betovernetcapper]

So you don't have money because you haven't used the program in 10 years? Or have you been using the program & not winning?

I'm not advocating any program, but The Capper is a very different program from All in One. They do use the same data source, HDW & the cost of the data for Capper is $100 @ month & there has never been a charge for an update. This is a fair way of doing business. You charge a fee up front & then get a cut of the data files to stay in business. Another approach is HTR's which is to give the program away & charge a bit more for the data. Both approaches seem ethical to me. What seems unethical is to charge up front, get a piece of the data fee & then charge every year for updates.

I really don't care. If you want to use this product-have fun.

[lefty359]

Damn, you're snide. Look, several yrs ago my wife had 2 very expensive operations and was laid up for over a yr. Took a lot of money o keep things going.
I don't understand why you're so down on ALLINONE and so high on NETCAPPER. If you like Netcapper that's fine with me. But you don't need to keep trying to get under my skin. I try to keep it civil and don't want to get in a flame throwing contest with other handicappers.

[ldiatone]

Lefty, do yourself a favor and get the "AIO V6 Seminar in a Box, as well as DVD #9: 'LifeLiner Tutorial". It will answer all your questions in depth. Steve Unite is a class act and one smart guy.

:ThmbUp::ThmbUp:

[lefty359]

One more thing, doesn't the par times in ALLINONE affect the betting line? Your thoughts Idiatone and whoever else that has an opinion.

[ldiatone]

One more thing, doesn't the par times in ALLINONE affect the betting line? Your thoughts Idiatone and whoever else that has an opinion.
yes and the AIO also has a another program . betting analyst. can track ones bets and keep records. both on a auto update and using the analyst.

[betovernetcapper]

Damn, you're snide. Look, several yrs ago my wife had 2 very expensive operations and was laid up for over a yr. Took a lot of money o keep things going.


It is precisely for this reason that people buy this this thing called insurance. You pay a premium every few months & when you become ill or injured they pay many or all of the costs. You should Google it. However if the software worked as advertised, why didn't you simply win the hospital costs at the track.? :bang: You could have done it in a weekend. I'm assuming the software is not an outdated piece of crap. :lol:

[lefty359]

Had insurance but it fell way short of money needed to pay specialists, bills, mtg and food. Any more snide remarks?

[PaceAdvantage]

It is precisely for this reason that people buy this this thing called insurance. You pay a premium every few months & when you become ill or injured they pay many or all of the costs. You should Google it. However if the software worked as advertised, why didn't you simply win the hospital costs at the track.? :bang: You could have done it in a weekend. I'm assuming the software is not an outdated piece of crap. :lol:Wow you're an asshole. As if I didn't probably know this already.

But your actions in this thread from the start have pretty much confirmed this. Thanks for that.

[thaskalos]

It is precisely for this reason that people buy this this thing called insurance. You pay a premium every few months & when you become ill or injured they pay many or all of the costs. You should Google it. However if the software worked as advertised, why didn't you simply win the hospital costs at the track.? :bang: You could have done it in a weekend. I'm assuming the software is not an outdated piece of crap. :lol:

You must be an insurance salesman. Thanks for reminding us not to run to you for any "sympathy", in case some catastrophic event should befall us. :ThmbUp:

[betovernetcapper]

Wow you're an asshole. As if I didn't probably know this already.

But your actions in this thread from the start have pretty much confirmed this. Thanks for that.

Thanks & back at you. Your opinion means so very much to me :)

[Tom]

It is precisely for this reason that people buy this this thing called insurance. You pay a premium every few months & when you become ill or injured they pay many or all of the costs. You should Google it. However if the software worked as advertised, why didn't you simply win the hospital costs at the track.? :bang: You could have done it in a weekend. I'm assuming the software is not an outdated piece of crap. :lol:

What an arrogant POS you are.
GFY. buddy - Who the Hell do you think you are?
They don't come any lower on this board.

[lawmaker1]

I was one of the original users of AIO and traveled around the country to seminars with Dick Mitchell and the crew. Fortunately, I never met up with the negative freak that is bashing AIO and everyone else associated with it.

It is interesting to note that that this loser uses the Capper program which is intended for people who can't master AIO! That inability probably accounts for the frustrations that are showing up in his comments on this great site.

For those of you interested in AIO, I would check with Steve Unite to see if he still has any copies of the Mitchell "Masters Handicapping Course." It's a great read that uses AIO for handicapping examples.

And, by the way, David Okamora, was the lead programmer for AIO!.

[ldiatone]

I was one of the original users of AIO and traveled around the country to seminars with Dick Mitchell and the crew. Fortunately, I never met up with the negative freak that is bashing AIO and everyone else associated with it.

It is interesting to note that that this loser uses the Capper program which is intended for people who can't master AIO! That inability probably accounts for the frustrations that are showing up in his comments on this great site.

For those of you interested in AIO, I would check with Steve Unite to see if he still has any copies of the Mitchell "Masters Handicapping Course." It's a great read that uses AIO for handicapping examples.

And, by the way, David Okamora, was the lead programmer for AIO!.

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[Southbaygent]

I was one of the original users of AIO and traveled around the country to seminars with Dick Mitchell and the crew. Fortunately, I never met up with the negative freak that is bashing AIO and everyone else associated with it.


This was close to my Dick Mitchell experiences as well, R.I.P. he was a good guy with human frailties like all of us.