Rank the ADW providers

[Buckeye]

Which ADW has the most handle? Rank them.

Is it a secret?

[lamboguy]

not counting offshore


TVG

Twinspires

Xpressbet

[jocko699]

not counting offshore


TVG

Twinspires

Xpressbet

Mine are in reverse...............

Xpressbet

TwinSpires

TVG

[Buckeye]

Well here's the thing, I'm looking for numbers. Who handles the most? Is it TVG, or is it so and so? I don't know.

[lamboguy]

Well here's the thing, I'm looking for numbers. Who handles the most? Is it TVG, or is it so and so? I don't know.
I did mine for handle

[green80]

Where did you get the figures?

[Pensacola Pete]

If you don't count RGS and the other offshores my guess would be:

Total handle: Xpressbet, AmWager, TVG, TwinSpires.

Number of customers: TwinSpires, TVG, Xpressbet.

But that's just a guess.

[Buckeye]

I bet with AmWager

Who is RGS?

[Buckeye]

Ok, I get it, St. Kitts.

I used to get 7% from Pinnacle so there!

I'm looking for a deal.

Can you blame me? :)

[paulbenny]

A lot of ADW providers operate out of Oregon. If you go to their site, at the Oregon Racing Commission, you can figure some of this out. There are also entities that work with multiple ADWs and provide rebates based upon volume. RGS is Racing and Gaming Services and they have very very high per capita wagering individuals, and they are compliant with the IRS etc.

[Saratoga_Mike]

http://www.oregon.gov/Racing/docs/Hub_Data/2018/Handle/2017_Dec_qt_hub_handle_%204th%20QT.pdf

[Poindexter]

US racing did about 9.8 Billion in off track handle in 2017. All the sources listed on the Oregon site did 3.84 Billion(which I assume includes Canada betting as well-but I am not even taking that into account). That is a heck of a lot of money being bet elsewhere (whale Money I assume). About 60% of off track money is not coming in from the major adw's?
Am I missing something?

[castaway01]

US racing did about 9.8 Billion in off track handle in 2017. All the sources listed on the Oregon site did 3.84 Billion(which I assume includes Canada betting as well-but I am not even taking that into account). That is a heck of a lot of money being bet elsewhere (whale Money I assume). About 60% of off track money is not coming in from the major adw's?
Am I missing something?

Money bet on other tracks by people who are actually at a track or OTB, like a guy (for example) sitting in any racetrack but Keeneland and betting on Keeneland? Not sure if that would be included.

[PaceAdvantage]

US racing did about 9.8 Billion in off track handle in 2017. All the sources listed on the Oregon site did 3.84 Billion(which I assume includes Canada betting as well-but I am not even taking that into account). That is a heck of a lot of money being bet elsewhere (whale Money I assume). About 60% of off track money is not coming in from the major adw's?
Am I missing something?I would venture a wild guess that the whales don't bet through major ADWs, so you did answer your own question.

[Track Collector]

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/132355/case-made-for-high-volume-betting-services

From the 2012 BloodHorse article:

Interesting statistics came out of the forum. Roughly $2 billion a year, or just less than 20% of total pari-mutuel handle, is said to come from high-volume shops. One of them—Elite Turf Club, which has only 11 customers—accounts for 10% of handle nationwide each year.


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As I recall, RGS and Elite Turf Club do not use Oregon as their wagering hub, but LVDC (Las Vegas Dissemination Company) instead. It would appear that Elite clients average around $100M each. :faint:

[tanner12oz]

I signed up with Tvg last week and have been very disappointed thus far. Website sometimes works on my phone sometimes doesn't. Customer service stinks and caught them in outright lies. Have had to call and be put on hold numerous times only to get bad info and have to call back and be put on hold again. Also use Twinspires which has been better but still doesn't agree with my phone.

[upthecreek]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/more/la-sp-derby-adw-wars-20180430-story.html#nws=mcnewsletter

[biggestal99]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/more/la-sp-derby-adw-wars-20180430-story.html#nws=mcnewsletter

TVG not allowed at Churchill; at Keeneland.

its totally ridiculous.

Allan

[Hedevar]

TVG not allowed at Churchill; at Keeneland.

its totally ridiculous.

Allan

But totally consistent with Twin Spires business plan. Please do not forget that "Mr. D" has almost single handedly destroyed Illinois racing.