View Full Version : Ex Sailor Receives Presidential Pardon
jocko699
03-09-2018, 05:09 PM
I know its not a transgender traitor but.................
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-pardons-kristian-saucier-former-sailor-jailed-for-submarine-pictures/article/2651195
boxcar
03-09-2018, 05:29 PM
I know its not a transgender traitor but.................
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-pardons-kristian-saucier-former-sailor-jailed-for-submarine-pictures/article/2651195
Does the pardon expunge the felony conviction from this sailor's record?
davew
03-09-2018, 05:33 PM
I know its not a transgender traitor but.................
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-pardons-kristian-saucier-former-sailor-jailed-for-submarine-pictures/article/2651195
.... and people did not die trying to find him. He probably also will not get a special ceremony in the Rose Garden so the president can grab his mothers rear end....
But how could this guy have a record when Hillary is still selling secrets to the world?
jocko699
03-09-2018, 05:36 PM
Does the pardon expunge the felony conviction from this sailor's record?
If he received a court martial than I do not think it can be expunged.
boxcar
03-09-2018, 05:39 PM
If he received a court martial than I do not think it can be expunged.
You're probably right. I'll have to investigate that.
jocko699
03-09-2018, 05:42 PM
You're probably right. I'll have to investigate that.
The thing is I was not in the nuclear program but have a lot of friends that were and still are and they said the guy was just an idiot for taking them and then keeping them to show his kids when they grew up.
I still want to believe it was handled in federal court and not a court martial. I'll try and look deeper. Either way it was wrong and against the law.
forced89
03-09-2018, 06:33 PM
About time. The guy did something stupid but didn't deserve to have his life destroyed. IMO Trump did the right thing.
JustRalph
03-09-2018, 06:39 PM
The felony is gone. It will become “non reportable” like it never happen. Most importantly it cannot be used against him. It doesn’t mean he can’t be asked about it...though........hopefully time will put an end to that
They will probably go back and redo his discharge too
boxcar
03-09-2018, 07:37 PM
The felony is gone. It will become “non reportable” like it never happen. Most importantly it cannot be used against him. It doesn’t mean he can’t be asked about it...though........hopefully time will put an end to that
They will probably go back and redo his discharge too
I hope this is the case. The guy no more deserved the harsh sentence he received than Hillary deserved getting totally off the hook for her crimes.
_______
03-09-2018, 08:55 PM
The acceptance of a Presidential pardon is an admission of guilt. It is the opposite of expunging a conviction.
Google Burdick v. United States. It’s an interesting case. This is the same discussion that went on after the Arpaio pardon. Ford justified his pardon of Nixon by pointing out that his acceptance of it was an admission of guilt.
If he had evidence he was wrongly convicted, which he has never claimed, he could have petitioned the court to expunge the conviction but that would be impossible once he accepted the pardon which, as mentioned, is an admission of guilt.
JustRalph
03-09-2018, 11:53 PM
The acceptance of a Presidential pardon is an admission of guilt. It is the opposite of expunging a conviction.
Google Burdick v. United States. It’s an interesting case. This is the same discussion that went on after the Arpaio pardon. Ford justified his pardon of Nixon by pointing out that his acceptance of it was an admission of guilt.
If he had evidence he was wrongly convicted, which he has never claimed, he could have petitioned the court to expunge the conviction but that would be impossible once he accepted the pardon which, as mentioned, is an admission of guilt.
Disparate treatment under the law is unconstitutional. He took some photos of himself at work. BFD.....he didn’t do anything close to as egregious as what Hillary did, and Huma committed even worse offenses. This guy never denied taking the pictures nor did he use a hammer, bleaching software and outright lies to hide evidence.
I’m disappointed Trump didn’t do this sooner. Why nobody has started a gofundme for the guy is another good question.
jocko699
03-10-2018, 12:18 AM
Disparate treatment under the law is unconstitutional. He took some photos of himself at work. BFD.....he didn’t do anything close to as egregious as what Hillary did, and Huma committed even worse offenses. This guy never denied taking the pictures nor did he use a hammer, bleaching software and outright lies to hide evidence.
I’m disappointed Trump didn’t do this sooner. Why nobody has started a gofundme for the guy is another good question.
JR,
He still committed a major blunder. You can't compare it to Hillary. He took photos that are classified. He was briefed on the requirements inside the sub and he signed that he knew the requirements of a top secret clearance yet he decided to take these photos.
POTUS waited until he served the time given by the federal judge was completed and than issued the pardon. This ex-sailor should be eternally grateful that he was granted a pardon and his time served will hopefully be a DETERRENT to any future abuses by other idiots.
_______
03-10-2018, 12:47 AM
Disparate treatment under the law is unconstitutional. He took some photos of himself at work. BFD.....he didn’t do anything close to as egregious as what Hillary did, and Huma committed even worse offenses. This guy never denied taking the pictures nor did he use a hammer, bleaching software and outright lies to hide evidence.
I’m disappointed Trump didn’t do this sooner. Why nobody has started a gofundme for the guy is another good question.
He did deny taking the pictures. He then smashed his computer and camera, and drove across the state to throw the fragments in the woods behind his grandfathers house.
On the other hand, he was smart enough to go on FOX which is the almost the same thing as meeting personally with the President.
jocko699
03-10-2018, 01:02 AM
He did deny taking the pictures. He then smashed his computer and camera, and drove across the state to throw the fragments in the woods behind his grandfathers house.
On the other hand, he was smart enough to go on FOX which is the almost the same thing as meeting personally with the President.
Um no he did not deny and once again you support your zero rating.
steveb
03-10-2018, 01:39 AM
Um no he did not deny and once again you support your zero rating.
the zero rating is idiotical, and so is the text when you put your mouse over the dot.
i had 10 or 12 or something just from the racing forum and that i would soon be famous!!! :lol:
now after visiting the off topic bit, and letting my feelings be known, i am now zero!
and that i am an unknown quantity at this point.
but they obviously know much more about me now, and that is why the wingnuts took all my points away!
i reckon zero points here is a badge of honour.
look how many the fruit loop has?
would one not rather have infinitely less than that?
JustRalph
03-10-2018, 03:46 AM
He did deny taking the pictures. He then smashed his computer and camera, and drove across the state to throw the fragments in the woods behind his grandfathers house.
On the other hand, he was smart enough to go on FOX which is the almost the same thing as meeting personally with the President.
He didn’t destroy the cell phone. He destroyed his other devices that had more pictures. You know, kinda like when you destroy 16 different cell phones with a hammer? Like Hillary did.......
The pics he had were the lowest form of classified there is......
I bet you could charge a 100k guys in the service with the same thing if you could examine all their cell phones.
I’ll see if I can find that picture of me with an F117 Stealth fighter from 1983.......if so i’ll Upload it........
Typical liberal reaction - screw the soldier for doing 1% of what Hillary did and got away with.
When do we FRY that worthless bitch?
boxcar
03-10-2018, 11:04 AM
On the other hand, he was smart enough to go on FOX which is the almost the same thing as meeting personally with the President.
Yeah...I can relate to you analogy. It's the same way for the kids at that Parkland school who showed up for the CNN "townhall" meeting. Going on CNN must have been a real Karl Marx-enriched experience for them, especially when one "rebel" kid was totally shut down by CNN for not towing their line. :coffee:
PaceAdvantage
03-16-2018, 01:04 PM
the zero rating is idiotical, and so is the text when you put your mouse over the dot.
i had 10 or 12 or something just from the racing forum and that i would soon be famous!!! :lol:
now after visiting the off topic bit, and letting my feelings be known, i am now zero!
and that i am an unknown quantity at this point.
but they obviously know much more about me now, and that is why the wingnuts took all my points away!
i reckon zero points here is a badge of honour.
look how many the fruit loop has?
would one not rather have infinitely less than that?Actually when I hover over it, it says "steveb can only hope to improve"
I call that accurate as all hell.
biggestal99
03-16-2018, 02:16 PM
The acceptance of a Presidential pardon is an admission of guilt. It is the opposite of expunging a conviction.
That's correct.
You have to be a criminal to get a presidential pardon from federal crimes.
He did the crime and got pardoned.
Just like all others who got a presidential pardon. (well maybe except Nixon)
Allan
biggestal99
03-16-2018, 02:18 PM
He didn’t destroy the cell phone. He destroyed his other devices that had more pictures. You know, kinda like when you destroy 16 different cell phones with a hammer? Like Hillary did.......
The pics he had were the lowest form of classified there is......
I bet you could charge a 100k guys in the service with the same thing if you could examine all their cell phones.
I’ll see if I can find that picture of me with an F117 Stealth fighter from 1983.......if so i’ll Upload it........
No reason to pardon Hillary, she was not convicted of a federal crime.
Allan
boxcar
03-16-2018, 02:48 PM
No reason to pardon Hillary, she was not convicted of a federal crime.
Allan
That's because she was "pardoned" before the investigation was even complete. So...you're right. She doesn't need another pardon.
She had a Get Out of Jail Free card from the git go.
She committed felonies, fact of life.
And has walked so far.
Hey, people cheered Gotti when he walked on murder.
biggestal99
03-16-2018, 05:08 PM
She had a Get Out of Jail Free card from the git go.
She committed felonies, fact of life.
And has walked so far.
Hey, people cheered Gotti when he walked on murder.
Judge, jury and executioner huh.
What happened to due process.
You know a little thing known as the constitution.
Or that only applies to people you like.
Allan
What happened to due process.
That what we are wondering.
The FBI director said she committed felonies and refused to da anything about it. He overstepped his authority and everyone knows it.
Due process is what we are asking for, not cover up and BS you would expect from a Banana Republic.
Nothing about 0bama and Hillary is remotely American.
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