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coachv30
02-26-2018, 04:18 PM
I'm still blown away at the number of times that horses with the same driver / trainer or a family member win at high odds. This has been more apparent at the smaller tracks. Therefore, I'm going to post over the next few weeks, horses that meet this criteria from tracks such as Miami Valley, Rosecroft, Northfield and Flamboro. Please feel free to add any that I miss.

coachv30
02-26-2018, 04:25 PM
2-26 Miami Valley

Race 3- :6: $38.00.....Jason Brewer / Jeff Brewer

Race 7- :3: $11.80.....Jason Brewer / Jeff Brewer

Still to Come....

Race 8- :5: ML 20-1....Jeff McNabb / Jeff McNabb

Race 9- :3: ML 20-1...Brewer / Brewer ; :9: 9/2...Ater / Ater

Race 10- :4: ML 6-1...Wilfong / Wilfong;

Race 11- :3: ML 12-1.....Ater / Ater; :7: ML 6-1...Galliers / Galliers

coachv30
02-26-2018, 04:57 PM
2-26 Miami Valley



Still to Come....



Race 9- :3: ML 20-1...Brewer / Brewer ; :9: 9/2...Ater / Ater

Race 10- :

:9: Paid $22.80

coachv30
02-26-2018, 05:11 PM
More for tonight.....

Western Fair

Race 1- :8: Dustin / Dustin

Race 2-

:4: McKnight / McKnight; :5: Obrien / Obrien; :6: Richardson / Richardson; :8: Rankin / Rankin...all above 5-1 ML

Race 3- :4: House / House

Race 5- :1: Rankin / Rankin; :6: Hudon / Hudon

Race 6- :5: Battin / Battin

Race 8- :2: Battin / Battin

$2 Win each = $20 Total Wager

coachv30
02-26-2018, 05:43 PM
Dover 4- :5: $57.40...Thompson / Thompson

upcoming at Dover...

Race 6- :2: Vincent / Vincent

Race 7- :7: Foster / Foster

Race 9- :5: Nasoun / Nasoun

Race 10- :3: Stafford / Stafford

Race 12- :1: Nasoun / Nasoun

Race 13- :7: Copeland / Copeland

$2 WIN each- $12 total

lamboguy
02-26-2018, 06:46 PM
Dover 4- :5: $57.40...Thompson / Thompson

upcoming at Dover...

Race 6- :2: Vincent / Vincent

Race 7- :7: Foster / Foster

Race 9- :5: Nasoun / Nasoun

Race 10- :3: Stafford / Stafford

Race 12- :1: Nasoun / Nasoun

Race 13- :7: Copeland / Copeland

$2 WIN each- $12 totalgood system, i would revise it though a little and make it same driver, trainer and owner

coachv30
02-26-2018, 09:00 PM
More for tonight.....

Western Fair

Race 1- :8: Dustin / Dustin

Race 2-

:4: McKnight / McKnight; :5: Obrien / Obrien; :6: Richardson / Richardson; :8: Rankin / Rankin...all above 5-1 ML

Race 3- :4: House / House

Race 5- :1: Rankin / Rankin; :6: Hudon / Hudon

Race 6- :5: Battin / Battin

Race 8- :2: Battin / Battin

$2 Win each = $20 Total Wager

Race 8- :2: paid $26.40

coachv30
02-27-2018, 03:32 PM
Miami Valley

Race 1- :3: $76.80...Malone / Malone

sharkey11
02-27-2018, 03:55 PM
thats a nice one coach hope you had it . they just threw a shutout at me over at MR oh well ill give it another try at LON tonight .the angle is a strong one ive seen it pay before so mabey theres certian tracks it works at better than others :headbanger:

coachv30
02-27-2018, 04:03 PM
Miami Valley

Race 6- :5: $19.00......Greeno / Greeno

..........:7: finished 2nd....Beatty / Beatty

:5::7: Exacta paid $214.00

coachv30
02-27-2018, 04:08 PM
thats a nice one coach hope you had it . they just threw a shutout at me over at MR oh well ill give it another try at LON tonight .the angle is a strong one ive seen it pay before so mabey theres certian tracks it works at better than others :headbanger:


I like Lambo's suggestion with Driver / Trainer / Owner but I've just seen it pay well too many times with a different owner.

I didn't have the first one at MVR but I just nailed the win and exacta with the 5-7.

coachv30
02-27-2018, 06:44 PM
Western Fair

Race 1- :2: $45.90....Doyle / Doyle

Hope you had it Sharkey!

sharkey11
02-27-2018, 07:05 PM
ya just a buck on it because it was a ML fav after the scrs in the race . better than zippo lol :headbanger:

coachv30
02-27-2018, 07:09 PM
Dover 3- :6: $41.60.....Green / Green

Yonkers 1- :4: $21.20....Buter / Buter

sharkey11
02-27-2018, 07:24 PM
very nice keep em rolling sir :ThmbUp:

coachv30
02-27-2018, 10:26 PM
Pompano 8- :7: $52.20...Simons / Simons

..................:4: finished 2nd.....Fenn / Fenn

:7::4: Exacta paid $245

coachv30
02-28-2018, 04:27 PM
We have a handful of them at Buffalo, Rosecroft and Western Fair tonight.....let's see what they do.

sharkey11
02-28-2018, 04:34 PM
another shutout @ MR today for me think ill give that one up im going for BR an LON tonight may the horse be with us :headbanger:

coachv30
02-28-2018, 09:34 PM
Not too many tonight....

Pomp 6- :5: $49.60....Shehan / Shehan

Ray2000
03-01-2018, 03:56 AM
NFLD R13 #7 Gonnakissmeornot Keith Kash Jr/Keith Kash Jr $47.40

coachv30
03-06-2018, 06:03 PM
Miami Valley

Race 5: :6: $26.80...Rideout / Rideout

coachv30
03-06-2018, 06:10 PM
Monticello

Race 1: :7: $34.20........DeSimone / DeSimone

coachv30
03-10-2018, 08:16 PM
Saratoga 5

$10 W/P :7: Serious Major......Whitmore / Whitmore

I like this one!

Ray2000
03-11-2018, 06:02 AM
Hey coach, Dover or Canadian "B" is where to look. Good Luck

Driver is Trainer
Track Starts ROI
ddx 345 1.048
flm 666 0.964
lex 505 0.913
grv 337 0.905
rcr 402 0.901
npx 444 0.883
vdx 1114 0.872
tgd 626 0.869
rid 911 0.852
btv 408 0.821
haw 584 0.814
mxx 445 0.791
phl 731 0.788
fhl 370 0.760
mea 1259 0.758

Driver not Trainer but has same last name
lex 60 1.530
haw 273 0.971
ddx 324 0.956
tgd 34 0.929
mvr 548 0.910
hop 504 0.908
scd 749 0.893
wdb 143 0.812
yrx 235 0.805
stg 777 0.790
rcr 159 0.786
dtn 316 0.760
grv 99 0.760
mrx 173 0.756
vdx 355 0.730

coachv30
03-11-2018, 04:12 PM
Thanks Ray.....wish I had some $$ on Race 1 Meadowlands last night.:bang:

coachv30
03-11-2018, 06:10 PM
Flamboro 1- :9: $39.40...LaPointe / LaPointe

coachv30
03-11-2018, 06:19 PM
Upcoming at Flamboro...

Race 2- :1:
Race 3- :8:
Race 5- :4:
Race 6- :4:
Race 9- :3::6::8:

These are at 4-1 ML or better. Hensley / Hensley have a few but they are ML favs.

sharkey11
03-11-2018, 06:37 PM
yes its still alive an kiking 1st @sar:2: 12.60 and the 9th :5: 40.20 :headbanger:

coachv30
03-11-2018, 06:45 PM
yes its still alive an kiking 1st @sar:2: 12.60 and the 9th :5: 40.20 :headbanger:

Hope you played them Sharkey:headbanger:

sharkey11
03-11-2018, 06:58 PM
yes sir i sure did thank you

coachv30
03-11-2018, 09:15 PM
FLM 9-:8: $14.60

coachv30
03-11-2018, 10:08 PM
We're due for one at Rideau-Carlton....

Race 11- :8: Gagnon / Gagnon - 8/1 ML

Ray2000
03-12-2018, 08:29 AM
Woodbine R 6 . #8

Class Me Nice-6/1 . . . . Jackie Mo/Jackie Mo

Moiseyev on a claimed Trotter !

sharkey11
03-12-2018, 11:10 AM
ray that was a very helpful chart on the driver trainers thank you .didnt you do one on off the claim or trainer claims for himself ? i went looking for it on here but theres just too many posts to search through . thanks an best of luck capping :headbanger:

Ray2000
03-12-2018, 11:47 AM
ray that was a very helpful chart on the driver trainers thank you .didnt you do one on off the claim or trainer claims for himself ? i went looking for it on here but theres just too many posts to search through . thanks an best of luck capping :headbanger:

thx
that post on betting horses off claim is here
http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=140391

I never did verify by checking other years but I think the positive ROIs are true.

Bogo
03-12-2018, 04:18 PM
Hey coach, Dover or Canadian "B" is where to look. Good Luck

Driver is Trainer
Track Starts ROI
ddx 345 1.048
flm 666 0.964
lex 505 0.913
grv 337 0.905
rcr 402 0.901
npx 444 0.883
vdx 1114 0.872
tgd 626 0.869
rid 911 0.852
btv 408 0.821
haw 584 0.814
mxx 445 0.791
phl 731 0.788
fhl 370 0.760
mea 1259 0.758

Driver not Trainer but has same last name
lex 60 1.530
haw 273 0.971
ddx 324 0.956
tgd 34 0.929
mvr 548 0.910
hop 504 0.908
scd 749 0.893
wdb 143 0.812
yrx 235 0.805
stg 777 0.790
rcr 159 0.786
dtn 316 0.760
grv 99 0.760
mrx 173 0.756
vdx 355 0.730

What if we only bet these combos at 5-1 or better?

Ray2000
03-12-2018, 06:41 PM
What if we only bet these combos at 5-1 or better?

Typically most overlays are in the 3/1 - 5/1 range on any subset of horses.

This is the case here.
Sweet spot seems to be between 3/1 and 7/2

These ROIs are for all starters where Dr = Tr or Dr and Tr same last name.

All 5/1 or higher odds is 0.666, 24,843 starters.

The way I do ROIs is using a population of starters with a certain criteria.
It's good for showing trends but it's possible some of these starters are in the same race.
ROIs are lowered a bit because of that.

coachv30
03-12-2018, 08:13 PM
Western Fair

Race 6- :9: $20.40.......G. Dustin / G. Dustin

jocko699
03-12-2018, 08:56 PM
Woodbine R 6 . #8

Class Me Nice-6/1 . . . . Jackie Mo/Jackie Mo

Moiseyev on a claimed Trotter !

IMO, he actually raced better than the line will look.

coachv30
03-12-2018, 09:01 PM
IMO, he actually raced better than the line will look.

Agreed!!

Pompano 5

:1: ML 8/1....Simons / Simons

coachv30
03-12-2018, 09:14 PM
Agreed!!

Pompano 5

:1: ML 8/1....Simons / Simons

Recovered strongly after a break to finish 3rd.

jocko699
03-12-2018, 09:18 PM
Recovered strongly after a break to finish 3rd.

Great call, $4.40 to show!!!

coachv30
03-12-2018, 09:36 PM
Great call, $4.40 to show!!!


By a nose :bang:

Pompano 6- :5: Hoffman / Hoffman ML 5-1

coachv30
03-12-2018, 10:22 PM
Pompano 8

:7: Major / Major...ML15 / 1

:9: Schaut / Schaut...ML 8/1

coachv30
03-12-2018, 10:57 PM
Yonkers 10- :5: $27.40...LaChance / LaChance

coachv30
03-13-2018, 05:10 PM
The following at Dover today fit the 5/1 ML or better criteria when not playing live...

R3-:5:
R4- :1::3:
R6-:6:
R7-:1:
R9- :1::9:
R10-:4:
R13- :1:

coachv30
03-13-2018, 06:36 PM
Western Fair

R2-:5:
R3-:5:
R6- :9:
R7- :3::5:
R10- :2:

coachv30
03-14-2018, 10:28 PM
Rosecroft 13 - :4: $53.60...Burton / Burton

Dover 5- :2: $22.20....Brittingham / Brittingham

Ray2000
03-22-2018, 08:46 PM
dover R12
foster/foster
Letsmakeawish $127.40

jocko699
03-22-2018, 08:51 PM
dover R12
foster/foster
Letsmakeawish $127.40

Holy shit:eek:

sharkey11
03-23-2018, 09:33 AM
hope you had it ray. they are there but you ve got to be a good waiter . you might not see another for a couple of weeks but boom when it comes in . happy capping :headbanger:

Ray2000
03-23-2018, 10:12 AM
hope you had it ray. they are there but you ve got to be a good waiter . you might not see another for a couple of weeks but boom when it comes in . happy capping :headbanger:

No I didn't bet it. Just posted it because of the new record high payoff?:rolleyes:

BTW
Watch for Trainer drives then puts a catch driver on next week.

Win% goes from 11.9% to 15.4% . . (same Dr/Tr)
ROI goes from . . 0.72 .to 0.87 . . (catch driver next start)

coachv30
03-23-2018, 03:18 PM
hope you had it ray. they are there but you ve got to be a good waiter . you might not see another for a couple of weeks but boom when it comes in . happy capping :headbanger:

So true....it's almost like I kick myself in the ass for not having it.

sharkey11
03-23-2018, 03:46 PM
well im sure its hard to play them all .and ray theres all kinds of angles an sub angles plays just have to dig em out thanks for the trainer back to catch one ill keep an eye out . :coffee:

Hexplosive
03-23-2018, 07:23 PM
Race :3: :5: Just zip it Crawford,K Driver/Trainer 3/1 8.00 to win.

Race :4: - :5: Cams Lucky Star Randy Tharpes Driver/Trainer 10/1 22.00 to win

coachv30
03-24-2018, 10:16 PM
Another thing to look at could be regular drivers riding for themselves or a relative, opposed to trainers who do not normally drive riding for themselves.

Ray2000
03-25-2018, 05:13 AM
Another thing to look at could be regular drivers riding for themselves or a relative, opposed to trainers who do not normally drive riding for themselves.

Especially if they are part or whole owner. Trouble is ownership is hidden with Corp or LLC names

coachv30
03-25-2018, 02:24 PM
I'm gonna try to catch a few here...

Saratoga Harness

Race 8- :8: Photo King- Randall / Randall

Race 9- :4: Thanks for Playin- Beckwith / Beckwith

Race 10- :1: The Lindy Treaty- Derue / Derue

Race 11- :5: Pier Ho Exotic- Whittemore / Whittemore

$5 WIN/ $3 PLACE each- $24 Total

coachv30
03-25-2018, 03:47 PM
I'm gonna try to catch a few here...

Saratoga Harness

Race 8- :8: Photo King- Randall / Randall

Race 9- :4: Thanks for Playin- Beckwith / Beckwith

Race 10- :1: The Lindy Treaty- Derue / Derue- $4.40 place

Race 11- :5: Pier Ho Exotic- Whittemore / Whittemore- $3.90 Win..$3.10 PLC

$5 WIN/ $3 PLACE each- $24 Total

$24 wagered / $21.00 Returned

coachv30
03-28-2018, 04:06 PM
I'm looking to step in the right pile tonight at Rosecroft. There are a ton of opportunities on the card. In fact, there is at least one horse in every race that meets the angle (five races with multiple qualifiers).

I will not be putting win $ on every one however because I'm not looking to bury my bankroll:rip:

Instead, I will attempt to use some reasoning as to why I'm choosing one over the others.

Race 1

:9: Mackinnon / Mackinnon is the only one who qualifies- $2 WIN

Race 2

We have three here. However, I will put my WIN $ on the :8: Taylor / Taylor because he should be the longest shot on the board-$2 WIN:8:

However, I will take another one of those qualifiers :4: Offut / Offut and key/box it over :1::8:- $1 Key Box :4: / :1::8:


Race 3

Another race with three options. My win $ once again will be on the :8:Offut / Offut. Horses from the 8 can be sneaky here at RCR. - $2 WIN :8:

I will also key box :5: McLeod / McLeod over :8::9:- $1 Key Box- :5: / :8::9:

coachv30
03-28-2018, 04:14 PM
Race 4

Once again...three to choose from. Going with :6: Gazzero / Gazzero for the WIN- $2 WIN :6: As well as- $1 Key Box :1: / :5::6:


Race 5

I can breathe a bit here since there is only one qualifier. - $2 WIN :1: Milby / Milby


Race 6

Two to choose from here. Win $$ on :7: Gray / Gray because he figures for me as well but will also key box :1: Offut / Offut over :5::6::7:


Race 7

$2 WIN :3: Burton / Burton


Race 8

$2 WIN :2: Burton / Burton


More to come if I prosper from the first eight.......

coachv30
03-28-2018, 08:34 PM
:ThmbDown::rip::ThmbDown:

coachv30
03-28-2018, 09:05 PM
A watched pot never boils. Walk away for a few minutes and you have a mess.

Ray2000
04-08-2018, 06:04 AM
72 year old Roger Hammer has TR/DR horses today at Pokie

Races 1,2 and 14

I saw this guy jump from the bike to the back of a pacer when the lines broke. .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9loW4DYW6k

sharkey11
04-12-2018, 04:06 PM
hey coach heres a pretty good one @ stg in race 4 today 159.40 to win place 43.80 . it still works :headbanger:

coachv30
04-12-2018, 07:12 PM
hey coach heres a pretty good one @ stg in race 4 today 159.40 to win place 43.80 . it still works :headbanger:

WOW:eek: Did you by any chance have it??

sharkey11
04-13-2018, 08:49 AM
yes coach i had some on it biggest price horse ive ever had i guess i owe you a coffee or something lol happy capping sir :headbanger:

coachv30
04-13-2018, 05:35 PM
yes coach i had some on it biggest price horse ive ever had i guess i owe you a coffee or something lol happy capping sir :headbanger:

You don't owe me anything...you deserve it for staying loyal to the angle:ThmbUp:

sharkey11
04-13-2018, 06:58 PM
thanks coach it does help that we both know its effective though happy capping sir :headbanger:

coachv30
04-15-2018, 02:38 PM
Saratoga

Race 8 - :5: $50.00...Whittemore / Whittemore

sharkey11
04-15-2018, 03:09 PM
wouldnt you know it i decided to skip stg today lol just my luck nice one though coach :headbanger: get em

coachv30
04-15-2018, 08:01 PM
Pomp 2

:4: paid $42.80...Minor / Minor

sharkey11
04-15-2018, 08:35 PM
that one i was on coach nice 1 :headbanger:

coachv30
04-20-2018, 09:40 PM
Saratoga

Race 9: :3: $36.40.....Crawford / Crawford

sharkey11
04-21-2018, 11:04 AM
a couple last night @ VD 5th :4: $ 23.40 an the 8th :4: a nice one $55.50 those 2 saved my day yesterday with all the chalk eaters gorging on the 2-5 shots gl an happy long shot hunting coach :headbanger:

coachv30
04-21-2018, 09:58 PM
a couple last night @ VD 5th :4: $ 23.40 an the 8th :4: a nice one $55.50 those 2 saved my day yesterday with all the chalk eaters gorging on the 2-5 shots gl an happy long shot hunting coach :headbanger:

:headbanger:

coachv30
04-23-2018, 08:57 PM
Yonkers 4- :8: $123.80...Simons / Simons

coachv30
04-23-2018, 09:05 PM
Gonna try and score one tonight...

Pompano

Race 6- :6:
Race 7- :6:
Race 8- :9:

$5 WIN each

sharkey11
04-23-2018, 09:12 PM
there was one in the 4th coach @ppk 34.40 r hoffman nice one there @YN :headbanger:

coachv30
04-24-2018, 08:15 PM
Hoosier 6- :4: $71.00......Peterson / Peterson

Has to be the best longshot angle out there.....can't play them all though.

Ray2000
04-24-2018, 09:32 PM
It helps when the Trainer drives, best return is on poor UDR.
I'll do Trainer / Trainer relative later

Trainer's Driver UDR rating

UDR Win% ROI
>300 20% 0.77

>250 <300 18% 0.76

>200 <250 15% 0.71

<200 12.57% 0.931

sharkey11
04-24-2018, 09:49 PM
yes ray parimutual wagering is reverse thinking the worse it looks on paper the higher the payoff so that chart makes perfict sence thanks for it sir gl capping and coach it seems to me to be a very good one for sure .i did an early speed foucsed one but was always getting too many plays per race . gl fellas :coffee:

Ray2000
04-30-2018, 03:30 PM
I didn't have it but . .

Meadows R6
Chitty Bang Bang . . . $27.40 . Collins, Dean/Collins, Dean

coachv30
05-01-2018, 09:42 PM
Pocono 9: :8: Break Free....Mullin / Mullin M/L- 9/2

Wins at 39-1 gate to wire. $80.20:bang:

coachv30
05-09-2018, 07:42 PM
I can honestly say the only way you have this horse is..

1) You are part of the connections

2) you play the 8 all the time; or

3) the Same driver / Trainer Angle..

Northfield 4

:8: Ebersole / Ebersole...$361.40....$96.80....$31.20:bang:

Sea Biscuit
05-10-2018, 09:36 AM
I can honestly say the only way you have this horse is..

1) You are part of the connections

2) you play the 8 all the time; or

3) the Same driver / Trainer Angle..

Northfield 4

:8: Ebersole / Ebersole...$361.40....$96.80....$31.20:bang:


Royal Player had a total of $61 in the win column.

Ray2000
06-18-2018, 06:40 PM
Harrington R4

Lynch, A Toby/Lynch, A Toby

Always Rock N Roll......$133.80 $42.00 $9.60

sharkey11
06-18-2018, 07:26 PM
wtg ray nice payoff :headbanger:

Ray2000
06-18-2018, 08:07 PM
wtg ray nice payoff :headbanger:

I didn't have it Sharkey, I was just posting another one to this thread.

There must be a way to eliminate some DR/TR horses. There's too many to make this angle profitable by betting them all.

coachv30
06-18-2018, 09:12 PM
Maybe only play 40-1 or higher for $2...you would have to be playing live though.

coachv30
07-05-2018, 11:09 PM
Hawthorne 7

:9: Rockinaroundheaven Lackey / Lackey.....$83.80 $31.60 $18.00

coachv30
12-01-2018, 07:50 PM
Gonna revive this thread once again. With the winning mutuel prices decreasing, this is an angle I am going to begin following more often.

Saratoga 2

:6: SEA HARRIER C. Huckabone / C. Huckabone- $169.50:eek:

coachv30
12-01-2018, 07:55 PM
Dayton 6

:6: STARLITE KID $2 w/p

coachv30
12-01-2018, 07:56 PM
SARATOGA 4

:5: ROCKIN AWAY - $2 W/P


WOODBINE 3

:6: DAZZLING ROCKETTE- $2 W/P

coachv30
12-01-2018, 08:06 PM
WOODBINE 3

:6: DAZZLING ROCKETTE- $2 W/P

$4.50 PLACE

coachv30
12-01-2018, 08:07 PM
FLAMBORO 5

:5: DOLCE SEELSTER- $2 W/P

coachv30
12-01-2018, 08:24 PM
SARATOGA 6

:8: NUBBLE LIGHT- $2 W/P

DAYTON 8

:5: SAVAGE SEELSTER- $2 W/P

coachv30
12-01-2018, 09:07 PM
SARATOGA 8

:7: SIMPLY SUSATIONAL- $2 W/P/S

coachv30
12-01-2018, 09:27 PM
SARATOGA 9

:8: MACHERATI- $2 W/P/S

coachv30
12-01-2018, 09:48 PM
FLAMBORO 10

:1: THUNDERAWAY - $5 W/P

coachv30
12-02-2018, 01:39 AM
A watched pot never boils.

HHE10
12-02-2018, 11:15 AM
Here are a few more to add to the list tonight !!:headbanger::headbanger:

Good Luck to all !! :headbanger::headbanger:


R2: :4: Doug Bowins

R3: :2: Wayne MacLean

R3: :3: Jason Ryan

R4: :1: Don Graham

R5: :4: Jason Ryan

R5: :9: Jonathan Lapointe

R8: :6: Don Graham

R9: :1: Don Graham

R9: :8: Dagfin Henriksen

*AE* R9: :10: Wayne MacLean

R10: :1: Jean Francois Gagne

*AE* R10: :10: Jason Ryan

coachv30
12-02-2018, 12:32 PM
Here are a few more to add to the list tonight !!:headbanger::headbanger:

Good Luck to all !! :headbanger::headbanger:


R2: :4: Doug Bowins

R3: :2: Wayne MacLean

R3: :3: Jason Ryan

R4: :1: Don Graham

R5: :4: Jason Ryan

R5: :9: Jonathan Lapointe

R8: :6: Don Graham

R9: :1: Don Graham

R9: :8: Dagfin Henriksen

*AE* R9: :10: Wayne MacLean

R10: :1: Jean Francois Gagne

*AE* R10: :10: Jason Ryan

Are these all potential longshots? I'm looking for BOMBS:D

coachv30
12-02-2018, 05:35 PM
ROSECROFT 12/2

R4- :3:

R6- :2::7:

R9- :1::8:

R10- :3:

R11- :2:

R13- :7:


$4 WIN - $32 TOTAL

coachv30
12-02-2018, 07:04 PM
FRASIER 11

$3 WIN :7: :8:

coachv30
12-03-2018, 05:57 PM
DAYTON 11

:6: Smith / Smith- $32.40


DAYTON 12

:2: Bates / Bates- $3 WIN

coachv30
12-04-2018, 04:11 PM
Monticello 4

:6: $25.40

coachv30
12-04-2018, 07:53 PM
POMPANO 2

:6: MACOMBER / MACOMBER

coachv30
12-04-2018, 08:00 PM
YONKERS 4

:1: CHIODO / CHIODO

coachv30
12-04-2018, 08:04 PM
POMPANO 3

:1: MACOMBER / MACOMBER

:4: SANZERI / SANZERI

coachv30
12-04-2018, 08:09 PM
WESTERN FAIR 6

:5: MCKNIGHT / MCKNIGHT (Bomb!!)

HHE10
12-04-2018, 08:12 PM
Western Fair

R6: :5: Gorden McKnight switching around from 70-1 and 80-1


Good Luck to all !! :headbanger::headbanger:

coachv30
12-05-2018, 09:31 AM
12/4/18

Northfield 12

:9: KEYSTONE BODACIOUS- $113.60 WENGARD / WENGARD

coachv30
12-08-2018, 04:58 PM
Heading out tonight so I won't be watching the pot for the boil. Therefore, I hope I can be surprised when I come home and look at my balance.

Here are some D/T combos at a ML of 8-1 or better.....

$3 win/ $2 plc on ALL of them. I'm also gonna pair them up in an EBX with the ML fav. for $1 What the hell......

DAYTON

R2- :7: (6-7)
R3- :4: (1-4)
R4- :5: :8: (5-6-8)
R5- :5: (2-5)
R8- :5: (3-5)
R10- :7: :9: (6-7-9)
R11- :3: (3-4)
R13- :9: (3-9)


SARATOGA

R2- :2: (3-9)
R3- :8: (2-8)
R5- :4: (3-4)
R6- :5: (1-5)
R10- :6: (2-6)

BTW...I don't see Staulbaum / Asher anymore; I see Staulbaum / Staulbaum. Did something happen in that marriage / partnership?

Total Wagered- $113

coachv30
12-12-2018, 09:02 PM
ROSECROFT 9

$10 W/P :2: SENOR DINERO - McLeod / McLeod

coachv30
12-13-2018, 07:21 PM
When you don't play them they win:bang:

Mohawk Race 1- :6: paid $78.60

coachv30
12-17-2018, 07:25 PM
Monday 12/17

POMPANO 1- $2 W/P :3: :6:

DOVER 10- $2 W/P :7:

MOHAWK 2- $2 W/P/S :4:

coachv30
12-17-2018, 08:29 PM
POMP 4- $2 W/P/S :9:

coachv30
12-21-2018, 10:16 PM
Freehold 9- :5: paid $115.80 Husted / Husted

coachv30
01-27-2019, 09:18 PM
1/27

POMPANO 1

:8: KAFFIR KEMP- OLFORD / OLFORD- PAID $190.00

coachv30
02-17-2019, 09:37 PM
FLAMBORO 9

$5 WP :8: LUMINIERE- R SHEPARD / P SHEPARD

coachv30
02-17-2019, 09:40 PM
FLAMBORO 10

$5 WP- :6: AUDREY'S DREAM- E HENSLEY / A HENSLEY


POMPANO 7

$5 WIN

:4: BLUEHOURPOWER- R MACOMBER/ J MACOMBER

:8: MCMACH- R PLANO / R PLANO

coachv30
02-17-2019, 09:47 PM
POMPANO 8

$5 WIN

:5: ER MELVIN- R PLANO / R PLANO

:10: SEA ROCKY ROLL- J SANZERI / J SANZERI


POMPANO 9

$5 WP- :3: ANDREOIS KARDIA- A BYRON / J BYRON


POMPANO 10

$5 WIN

6 ROYAL REX- A SHETLER / A SHETLER

:7: YOU GOT TRUMPED- M SIMONS / M SIMONS


POMPANO 11

$5 WIN

:8: HERE COMES WILLIAM- D DUPONT / M DUPONT

:10: CASIMIR QUASIMODO- A SHETLER / A SHETLER

Ray2000
03-09-2019, 04:46 AM
Do First names count?:lol:

BigM R6 3/9/19....good name for a bomb


Explosive Ridge .$170.40 . $ 41.80 . $16.20.....Vincent Ginsburg/ Vincent Fusco Jr (uncle)

4 months off . .Qualifier . .LTM :confused:

coachv30
03-09-2019, 05:45 PM
Do First names count?:lol:

BigM R6 3/9/19....good name for a bomb


Explosive Ridge .$170.40 . $ 41.80 . $16.20.....Vincent Ginsburg/ Vincent Fusco Jr (uncle)

4 months off . .Qualifier . .LTM :confused:

Strange thing is...I didn't know they were related but the only time I really see Ginsburg do well is when he rides for Fusco. Do you have that data Ray?

Ray2000
03-09-2019, 06:29 PM
Strange thing is...I didn't know they were related but the only time I really see Ginsburg do well is when he rides for Fusco. Do you have that data Ray?

Ginsburg, Vincent

Vincent Fusco as Trainer
Starts . . .Wins . . Win% . . .ROI
98 . . .....10 . . .10.2% . ..0.752

Trainer other than Fusco
Starts . . .Wins . . Win% . . .ROI
684 . . ....57 . . .8.3% . . .0.617

Muddy
04-06-2019, 10:17 AM
Are there any stats for a driver trainer owner that put up a regular driver?

Like in the 5th race @ Mohawk # 6 Mercenary from George Ketros to Jody Jamieson.

Ray2000
04-07-2019, 10:55 AM
Hard to define 'regular' driver but for a fast data check for 2018


1466 (no-scratch) races had a horse with trainer who drove last 2 starts but opted for a catch driver this race.
212 won (14.5%) returning $2,293 on $2,932 bet (0.782 ROI)

includes trainer race(s) was in qualifier

coachv30
11-11-2019, 07:01 PM
I'm gonna revive this thread again with some selections tonight. I will play $3 W/P on these selections below with same driver/trainer. Must be 6-1 or better at post.

Pompano

Race 2

:6: Overnight Shipper (9-1 ML)- R. Hoffman / R. Hoffman

Race 5

:3: Royal Rex (7-1 ML)- R. Plano / R. Plano

Race 6

:6: Checkmate Time (9-1 ML)- D. Dupont / M. Dupont

Race 7

:9: Thundercrest (7-1 ML)- D. Ingraham / D. Ingraham

coachv30
11-11-2019, 07:03 PM
Western Fair

Race 2

:2: I'llgetmyownthanks (8-1 ML)- D. Fritz / D. Fritz
:8: Sunny Bo (7-1 ML)- T. Fritz / T. Fritz

coachv30
11-11-2019, 07:11 PM
Western Fair

Race 4

:2: Podium Seelster (7-1 ML)- D. Fritz / D. Fritz

Race 8

:6: Master Switch (8-1 ML)- T. Borth / T. Borth

Race 9

:5: Dynasty Seelster (8-1 ML)- S. Wray / S. Wray

Race 10

:5: Cullen Keefe (8-1 ML)- L. House / L. House

Race 11

:9: NoTrouble Dechafra (10-1 ML)- M. Budway / M. Budway

coachv30
11-11-2019, 07:21 PM
Woodbine-Mohawk


Race 2

:6: Odds on Amesthyst- (12-1 ML)- P. Hudon / P. Hudon

Race 3

:7: State of Play (8-1 ML)- W. Laidler / A. Laidler

Race 5

:10: Dreamair Zenfire (8-1 ML) - T. Cullen / J. Cullen

Race 10

:4: Mercenary (15-1 ML)- G. Ketros / G. Ketros

coachv30
11-11-2019, 07:22 PM
11/11/19

Total Wagered - $90 ($3 WP x 15)

coachv30
11-11-2019, 07:24 PM
I'm gonna revive this thread again with some selections tonight. I will play $3 W/P on these selections below with same driver/trainer. Must be 6-1 or better at post.

Pompano

Race 2

:6: Overnight Shipper (9-1 ML)- R. Hoffman / R. Hoffman

Race 5

:3: Royal Rex (7-1 ML)- R. Plano / R. Plano

Race 6

:6: Checkmate Time (9-1 ML)- D. Dupont / M. Dupont

Race 7

:9: Thundercrest (7-1 ML)- D. Ingraham / D. Ingraham

Let's make this "7-1 ML or better"

coachv30
11-11-2019, 10:01 PM
11/11/19

Total Wagered - $90 ($3 WP x 15)

$90.60 Returned

Ray2000
12-09-2019, 11:18 AM
From tonight's Mohawk Program, 12 month Stats

Driver__________Trainer______Starts___Win___R.O.I.
T_Cullen________J_Cullen________261___13%____0.69
M_Baillargeon___B_Baillargeon___157___12%____1.08 :ThmbUp:
O_Gois__________O_Gois__________102___3%_____1.08 :ThmbUp:
M_Vanderkemp____M_Vanderkemp_____82___20%____0.64
P_Macdonell_____P_Macdonell______64___15%____0.66






Coulda Shoulda Woulda made money this year with
Baillargeon and Gois_:headbanger:

coachv30
12-09-2019, 01:37 PM
Interesting....I have noticed there has been a good share of D/T bombs at the smaller tracks lately as well (Dayton, Rosecroft, Saratoga)

coachv30
12-09-2019, 01:47 PM
There are a total of 13 today at Dayton with potential value.

Race 3: :6: Gillum / Gillum
Race 4: :8: Hanners / Hanners
Race 5: :2: Lough / Lough..:3: Greeno / Greeno
Race 6: :3: Frankilin / Franklin
Race 7: :3: Miller / Miller...:7: Avenatti / Avenatti
Race 8: :2: Smith / Smith...:3: Conrad / Conrad
Race 10: :5: Lough / Lough
Race 11: :1: Melloy / Melloy....:9: Scurlock / Scurlock
Race 12: :4: Rideout / Rideout


RAY....I also noticed the the Beattie / Brewer combo does pretty well here. Is there any way you can pull up the ROI on these two?

coachv30
12-09-2019, 02:01 PM
Here are some Dayton results from last week

Monday 12/2

Race 9: :8: Rideout/Rideout- $22.00...$12.00...$9.00

Tuesday 12/3

Race 1: :8: Watiker / Watiker- $20.00....$8.80...$5.20
Race 11: :8: Miller / Miller....$23.80...$7.80....$7.20

Friday 12/6

Race 1: :7: Wilson / Wilson- $54.80....$23.40...$15.40

Saturday 12/7

Race 10: :4: Smith / Smith- $48.40...$18.60...$9.00

coachv30
12-09-2019, 02:05 PM
Rosecroft last week...

Monday 12/2

Race 9: :8: Davis / Davis- $98.60...$59.80...$25.60

coachv30
12-11-2019, 03:46 PM
There's at least one per day paying a big price....if only there was a way to fish them out.

Dover 12/10

Race 9- :7: Husted / Husted- $61.40

The Meadows 12/11

Race 4: :7: Zendt / Zendt- $54.60

coachv30
12-11-2019, 07:30 PM
Rosecroft 1: :5: Hanners / Hanners- $45.60

coachv30
12-12-2019, 06:51 PM
Here are some D/T entries for tonight @6-1 ML or better...

Dover

Race 11: :3: Foster / Foster - 10/1
Race 13: :1: Stafford / Stafford- 6/1
Race 14: :5: Stafford / Stafford- 10/1


Dayton

Race 4: :8: Tharps / Tharps- 8/1
Race 6: :1: Henry / Henry- 8/1
Race 8: :1: Scurlock / Scurlock-10/1..:8: Lough / Lough-8/1..:9: Tharps/Tharps- 12/1
Race 9: :5: Haynes / Haynes- 6/1
Race 11: :5: Putnam / Putnam- 12/1
Race 12: :2: Macomber/Macomber-10/1...:3: Taylor / Taylor-8/1


Meadowlands

Race 1: :7: Macdonald/Macdonald-6/1
Race 3: :3: Abatiello/Abatiello-8/1
Race 4: :1: MacDonald/Macdonald-6/1...:2: Pollio/Pollio- 15/1
Race 7: :7: Hanney/Hanney-10/1


Woodbine-Mohawk

Race 1::4: Ketros/Ketros-10/1
Race 2: :2: Macdonell/Macdonell-10/1
Race 6: :1: Moiseyev/Moyseyev- 8/1
Race 8: :7: Byron/Byron- 8/1
Race 10- :8: Jenkins / Jenkins- 12/1


Would be $44 worth of bets at $2 WIN.

Should be an interesting follow..


Let's have a little fun...those of you who see this, enter the total you think will win

A) 5 or more... B) 3 or 4..... C) 1 or 2.... D) None

coachv30
12-12-2019, 06:57 PM
I'm going to be a bit of an optimist and say B.

Ray2000
12-12-2019, 07:20 PM
I'll be more pessimistic....JUST 1 "C"

coachv30
12-12-2019, 07:26 PM
I'll be more pessimistic....JUST 1 "C"

:ThmbUp:

Longshot6977
12-14-2019, 10:40 AM
Unfortunately, the answer was D, none. I still like this angle if more rules could be found.

coachv30
12-14-2019, 05:43 PM
Unfortunately, the answer was D, none. I still like this angle if more rules could be found.

I agree.....at this point however, it's just about getting lucky unless other factors can be found to point to the right direction and limit the amount of wagers.

coachv30
12-14-2019, 05:51 PM
There are a few that I'm going to play tonight over 6-1 ML because they actually figure in my handicapping a bit.....I will go $2 W/P for a total of $28.

MHK 3: :8: Baillargeon
MHK 4: :6: Cullen
MHK 7: :7: Cullen


MED 2: :7: Mann
MED 10: :1: Torro
MED 12: :1: Landy

DTN 2: :5: Scurlock

coachv30
12-15-2019, 06:28 PM
Pompano 12/15

Race 3: :1: Cable..:7: Coblentz
Race 5: :9: Plano
Race 7: :6: Wallis...:8: Plano
Race 9: :2: Fenn....:4: Sanzeri

$2 WIN each- $14 Total

Longshot6977
12-15-2019, 10:42 PM
Race 9: :4: Sanzeri

Bingo $27.00 :ThmbUp:

coachv30
12-16-2019, 06:52 PM
12/16/19

OK...here's the deal tonight. Rule is, 8/1 or better to post here and 12/1 or better to bet..$2 WIN.

MOHAWK

R1: :9: Byron
R2: :4: Cullen
R3: :4: Hensley...:5: Hudon
R4: :3: Coulter.....:4: LaPointe
R7: :1: Shaw
R8: :1: Henriksen...:3: Hudon
R9: :1: Hensley...:9: McNair


ROSECROFT

R4: :4: Gray
R5: :3: Davis
R7: :9: Davis
R12: :8: Greene
R13: :7: Davis


POMPANO

R2: :1: Cable.....:6: McLenaghan
R3: :3: Plano
R4: :2: Santeramo
R7: :5: Shehan.....:7: La Freniere

22 Potential Plays

Longshot6977
12-16-2019, 08:32 PM
Ok, here are a couple of rules that MIGHT work since I saw them in action the last few days. Hopefully, someone can run some numbers on them.

1. The horse's M/L should be 6-1 or higher.
2. The off odds or odds at 1MTP or whenever you bet as close to post as possible should be lower than the M/L, even 4-1 or 3-1. This shows it taking some money.
3. The horse should be the only horse (or maybe just 1 of 2) that has the same driver/trainer's last name in the race. (To keep it in the family).

Maybe we can get something going.

coachv30
12-16-2019, 08:36 PM
Ok, here are a couple of rules that MIGHT work since I saw them in action the last few days. Hopefully, someone can run some numbers on them.

1. The horse's M/L should be 6-1 or higher.
2. The off odds or odds at 1MTP or whenever you bet as close to post as possible should be lower than the M/L, even 4-1 or 3-1. This shows it taking some money.
3. The horse should be the only horse (or maybe just 1 of 2) that has the same driver/trainer's last name in the race. (To keep it in the family).

Maybe we can get something going.

I like this....the only thing that I would probably add would be the horse must then go back up above his ML after getting hit down with 1 MIN to post....I want a bit of an overlay situation if I'm only betting a few dollars.

coachv30
12-16-2019, 09:45 PM
Pompano 7- :1: MacDonald wins at 14-1.....ML 5-1. ..cant catch a break

coachv30
12-17-2019, 08:38 AM
MONTICELLO

R1- 4 Miller
R2- 8 Aldrich
R3- 3 Miller.....7 Merton
R10- 6 Miller
R11- 6 Harp


MEADOWS

R2- 1 Svrcek.....8 Brocklehurst
R3- 6 Bolon
R5- 2 Pantaleano
R6- 3 Kreiser
R10- 4 Shaw.....8 Indof
R12- 7 Collins
R13- 4 Zendt

Longshot6977
12-17-2019, 09:42 AM
Ok, here are a couple of rules that MIGHT work since I saw them in action the last few days. Hopefully, someone can run some numbers on them.

1. The horse's M/L should be 6-1 or higher.
2. The off odds or odds at 1MTP or whenever you bet as close to post as possible should be lower than the M/L, even 4-1 or 3-1. This shows it taking some money.
3. The horse should be the only horse (or maybe just 1 of 2) that has the same driver/trainer's last name in the race. (To keep it in the family).

Maybe we can get something going.

Revised rule #2 per Coachv30:

1. The horse's M/L should be 6-1 or higher.
2. The odds should drop during the betting to lower than the M/L. Then at 1 MTP or whenever you bet as close to post as possible should be higher than the M/L. This shows it taking some money but still being a nice overlay. e.g. 8-1 M/L, then during the betting the odds drop to 6-1 or 5-1 or even lower, then go back up to 8-1 or higher at 1 MTP when you bet.
3. The horse should be the only horse (or maybe just 1 of 2) that has the same driver/trainer's last name in the race. (To keep it in the family).
4. I've seen these horses come in 2nd also, so optional step 4 would be to bet place also.

The only person I know with a database is Ray, maybe Pandy. Ray/Pandy, if you have some time, is it possible to run this thru your database?

coachv30
12-17-2019, 10:40 AM
DAYTON

R3-3 Beatty....4 Melloy
R5- 6 Melloy
R7- 2 Wolfe...8 Henry
R9- 2 Miller....8 Taylor
R10- 1 Bolen....6 Smith
R11- 2 Smith....9 Smith
R12- 3 Beatty....4 Greeno
R13- 6 Melloy...7 Walker

coachv30
12-17-2019, 04:32 PM
DAYTON

R3-3 Beatty....4 Melloy
R5- 6 Melloy
R7- 2 Wolfe...8 Henry
R9- 2 Miller....8 Taylor
R10- 1 Bolen....6 Smith
R11- 2 Smith....9 Smith
R12- 3 Beatty....4 Greeno
R13- 6 Melloy...7 Walker

I missed a few..

R7- 1 Lough
R10- 7 Tharps....9 Ater
R12- 8 Rideout

coachv30
12-17-2019, 10:07 PM
Yonkers 10- :2: Vallee
Pompano 8- :8: Hoffman

coachv30
12-18-2019, 10:37 AM
MONTICELLI 12/18

Hypothetical $2 w / $3 p / $5 s

R1- 5 Taggart
R8- 1 Miller
R9- 6 Lowrey
R 10- 9 Schwartz

coachv30
12-18-2019, 07:14 PM
Tonight I will track the winners instead of identify qualifiers...

Flamboro 2: :1: Guglielmi...$35.90

coachv30
12-18-2019, 07:46 PM
Flamboro 3: :6: MacArthur...$28.90

coachv30
12-18-2019, 09:16 PM
Rosecroft 7- :6: ML 8-1 taking money @ 5/2 with 1 Min to post....up to 8/1 with gate moving....off at 18/1.

Race was won by :4: MacLeod / MacLeod @ 7/1:bang:

coachv30
12-18-2019, 11:30 PM
Northfield 15- :8: Kash- $127.20:eek:

coachv30
12-19-2019, 01:17 PM
12/19

Monticello 2- :4: Merton...$26.00

coachv30
12-19-2019, 08:23 PM
Dayton 4- :8: Smith- $44.60

coachv30
12-21-2019, 12:14 AM
12/20 Winners

MED 14: :2: Abbatiello...$37.20
LON 6: :6: Rankin...$44.80

coachv30
12-22-2019, 06:01 PM
Tonight 12/22

POMPANO

R1- :9: Coblentz------:10: Cable
R2- :3: Chindano-----:9: Plano
R3- :8: Sanzeri
R5- :3: Simons
R6- :6: Plano
R7- :2: Wallis
R8- :4: Sanzeri----:7: Simons

$3 WIN on each...$30 TOTAL

coachv30
12-23-2019, 05:13 PM
Dayton 12/23

Race 7- :7: Smith-----$55.20

Ray2000
09-03-2020, 04:52 AM
Hey Coach

Looks like the Dr/Tr's are fighting each other now ...:lol:

NFLD Race 14 9/2/20
Winner Odds . .
. . 10.70 . . Hunter Myers . . David Myers
Placer Odds
. . 14.70 . . Sam Schillaci . . Sam Schillaci . .

Exacta . . (4-9 $270.40)

Longshot6977
04-09-2021, 09:45 AM
So I'm betting a few races yesterday and at Hoosier in the 8th race I see the :8: horse Er Sam has Don Eash as driver and trainer. But being the outside post, I thought 'not gonna happen'. But I can't pass up a measly $2WPS on him since I didn't like the 2 favorites in the race (:1: and odds on :5:) ( I wish we had the proper harness colors here).

Anyhoo, Er Sam is in the back up the pack up the backstretch and I remember cursing this angle of how stupid it is, lol. Just past the top of the stretch, Eash fans him out to the middle of the track and then kicks into high gear. Here comes my :8:! I thought how nice if my 12-1 shot wins here. He blows past the others and wins going away. But I heard the announcer yell "Er Sam is 32-1!". Wha wha what? 32-1? Nice!

$67.40 $23.20 $9.20

A cool $100 for a measly $2WPS. Love this angle. Thanks Coach.

hpattern
04-09-2021, 10:54 AM
Nice hit !!! - Here is a listing of the combos for HOP tonight. IMO, the dilemma is what to do with races having multiple D/T entries:

Included is also the driver/trainer having the same last name. For example Melanie & Peter Wrenn. (Although that may not be 100% accurate for common names like smith):

Track Race Post Trainer Driver
HOP 1 6 Putnam, Joe Putnam, Joey
HOP 1 8 Tetrick, Tom T Tetrick, Trace
HOP 2 4 Wrenn, Melanie Wrenn, Peter
HOP 3 1 Eash, Don Eash, Don
HOP 3 6 De Long,Tabatha De Long, John
HOP 4 1 Peterson, Mike Peterson, Mike
HOP 4 3 Tetrick, Tom T Tetrick, Trace
HOP 4 9 Wilfong, Brett Wilfong, Kyle
HOP 5 2 Eash, Don Eash, Don
HOP 7 6 Miller, Lewayne Miller, Lewayne
HOP 8 4 Macomber, Jamie Macomber, Ricky Jr
HOP 8 5 Miller, Lewayne Miller, Lewayne
HOP 8 6 Eash, Don Eash, Don
HOP 10 2 Seekman, Joe Seekman, Jared
HOP 10 4 Eash, Don Eash, Don
HOP 10 5 Wrenn, Melanie Wrenn, Peter
HOP 10 6 Peterson, Mike Peterson, Mike
HOP 10 7 Putnam, Joe Putnam, Joey
HOP 11 1 Seekman, Joe Seekman, Jared
HOP 11 5 Avenatti, David Avenatti, Wyatt
HOP 11 7 Wrenn, Melanie Wrenn, Peter
HOP 12 2 Boyd, Brett Boyd, Braxten
HOP 12 4 Wrenn, Melanie Wrenn, Peter
HOP 12 5 Miller, Lewayne Miller, Lewayne
HOP 13 1 Wrenn, Melanie Wrenn, Peter
HOP 13 2 Macomber, Jamie Macomber, Ricky Jr
HOP 13 7 Tetrick, Tom T Tetrick, Trace

Longshot6977
04-09-2021, 02:06 PM
You can narrow them down by limiting your selections to:
Horses with M/L's higher than maybe 7-1 or 8-1.
Also, try to bet just the exact same driver and trainer. The horse seems to do better (in my personal observations) when the trainer is the driver. He knows the horse best.
And if you're betting live, instead of betting hours in advance, look for a selection that the betting drops lower than its M/L, then drifts upward near post time higher than its M/L. This means the horse is taking some money, but you're still getting an overlay.
See if that helps. Good luck.

hpattern
04-10-2021, 01:16 PM
Only 2 chalks with the HOP D/T combos on Friday night. IF there was any use in that it would have been in the horizontal wagers.

hpattern
04-10-2021, 01:19 PM
04/10 D/T combos for HOP

Track Race Pgm ML Trainer Driver
HOP 2 4 8/1 Wrenn, Melanie Wrenn, Peter
HOP 2 5 4/1 Leonard, Ross Leonard, Ross
HOP 2 3 10/1 Eash, Don Eash, Don
HOP 2 6 10/1 Rideout, Doug Rideout, Doug
HOP 3 5 4/1 Putnam, Joe Putnam, Joey
HOP 3 6 5/2 Brown, Beau Brown, Beau
HOP 4 8 9/2 Wilfong, Brett Wilfong, Kyle
HOP 5 3 3/1 Wilfong, Brett Wilfong, Kyle
HOP 5 6 5/2 Miller, Lewayne Miller, Lewayne
HOP 5 7 4/1 Eash, Don Eash, Don
HOP 6 4 20/1 Seekman, Joe Seekman, Jared
HOP 7 3 8/1 Miller, Lewayne Miller, Lewayne
HOP 8 6 10/1 Miller, Lewayne Miller, Lewayne
HOP 9 4 4/1 Miller, Lewayne Miller, Lewayne
HOP 9 6 3/1 Putnam, Joe Putnam, Joey
HOP 10 2 12/1 Macomber, Jamie Macomber, Ricky Jr
HOP 10 1 8/1 Wrenn, Melanie Wrenn, Peter
HOP 11 1 10/1 Miller, Lewayne Miller, Lewayne
HOP 13 4 6/1 Miller, Lewayne Miller, Lewayne
HOP 13 3 10/1 Wrenn, Melanie Wrenn, Peter

hpattern
04-20-2021, 05:37 PM
T/D connections for 20 April (NFLD & PPK)

Northfield

Track Race Pgm ML Trainer
NFLD 1 8 25/1 Cisco, Scott
NFLD 1 1 15/1 Crawford, Keith
NFLD 2 4 3/1 Brown, Beau
NFLD 2 5 7/1 Irvine, Don Jr
NFLD 3 6 20/1 Altizer, Scott
NFLD 3 5 15/1 Kash, Keith Jr
NFLD 3 4 5/2 Le Van, Hank
NFLD 5 1 20/1 Altizer, Scott
NFLD 5 5 10/1 Myers, Michael
NFLD 6 5 12/1 Kash, Keith Jr
NFLD 7 4 20/1 Ebersole, Luke
NFLD 8 4 12/1 Kash, Keith Jr
NFLD 9 7 25/1 Kash, Keith Jr
NFLD 11 8 15/1 Irvine, Don Jr
NFLD 11 2 12/1 Kash, Keith Jr
NFLD 11 4 3/1 Lake, David
NFLD 12 3 25/1 Beeler, Patrick
NFLD 12 6 25/1 Headworth, Mark
NFLD 12 2 12/1 Kash, Keith Jr
NFLD 14 4 15/1 Beeler, Patrick
NFLD 14 2 6/1 Grismore, Greg
NFLD 15 3 25/1 Ebersole, Luke

Pompano

Track Race Pgm ML Trainer
PPK 1 1 9/2 Ingraham, Dustin
PPK 1 5 5/1 La Freniere, Walter Jr
PPK 2 7 25/1 Coblentz, George
PPK 2 1 20/1 Dinges, Tony
PPK 3 7 9/5 Chindano, Joseph Jr
PPK 3 5 7/2 Hennessey, Wally
PPK 4 7 12/1 Deruntz, Michael
PPK 5 1 15/1 Chindano, Joseph Jr
PPK 5 5 4/1 Dupont, Marie
PPK 6 5 7/2 Lareau, Gaston
PPK 6 2 12/1 Merriman, Jason
PPK 6 4 7/1 Sanzeri, Joseph
PPK 7 3 5/1 Jones, R. Dustin
PPK 7 2 9/2 Minor, Dewayne
PPK 7 4 8/1 Spano, Alessandro
PPK 8 5 5/2 Chindano, Joseph Jr
PPK 8 2 9/1 Holliday, Ken
PPK 9 3 9/2 Santeramo, Andy
PPK 9 6 2/1 Wallis, Kevin
PPK 10 3 25/1 Fenn, Bryce

coachv30
06-07-2021, 02:34 PM
Brian Cross/John Cross

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