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coachv30
02-26-2018, 04:18 PM
I'm still blown away at the number of times that horses with the same driver / trainer or a family member win at high odds. This has been more apparent at the smaller tracks. Therefore, I'm going to post over the next few weeks, horses that meet this criteria from tracks such as Miami Valley, Rosecroft, Northfield and Flamboro. Please feel free to add any that I miss.

coachv30
02-26-2018, 04:25 PM
2-26 Miami Valley

Race 3- :6: $38.00.....Jason Brewer / Jeff Brewer

Race 7- :3: $11.80.....Jason Brewer / Jeff Brewer

Still to Come....

Race 8- :5: ML 20-1....Jeff McNabb / Jeff McNabb

Race 9- :3: ML 20-1...Brewer / Brewer ; :9: 9/2...Ater / Ater

Race 10- :4: ML 6-1...Wilfong / Wilfong;

Race 11- :3: ML 12-1.....Ater / Ater; :7: ML 6-1...Galliers / Galliers

coachv30
02-26-2018, 04:57 PM
2-26 Miami Valley



Still to Come....



Race 9- :3: ML 20-1...Brewer / Brewer ; :9: 9/2...Ater / Ater

Race 10- :

:9: Paid $22.80

coachv30
02-26-2018, 05:11 PM
More for tonight.....

Western Fair

Race 1- :8: Dustin / Dustin

Race 2-

:4: McKnight / McKnight; :5: Obrien / Obrien; :6: Richardson / Richardson; :8: Rankin / Rankin...all above 5-1 ML

Race 3- :4: House / House

Race 5- :1: Rankin / Rankin; :6: Hudon / Hudon

Race 6- :5: Battin / Battin

Race 8- :2: Battin / Battin

$2 Win each = $20 Total Wager

coachv30
02-26-2018, 05:43 PM
Dover 4- :5: $57.40...Thompson / Thompson

upcoming at Dover...

Race 6- :2: Vincent / Vincent

Race 7- :7: Foster / Foster

Race 9- :5: Nasoun / Nasoun

Race 10- :3: Stafford / Stafford

Race 12- :1: Nasoun / Nasoun

Race 13- :7: Copeland / Copeland

$2 WIN each- $12 total

lamboguy
02-26-2018, 06:46 PM
Dover 4- :5: $57.40...Thompson / Thompson

upcoming at Dover...

Race 6- :2: Vincent / Vincent

Race 7- :7: Foster / Foster

Race 9- :5: Nasoun / Nasoun

Race 10- :3: Stafford / Stafford

Race 12- :1: Nasoun / Nasoun

Race 13- :7: Copeland / Copeland

$2 WIN each- $12 totalgood system, i would revise it though a little and make it same driver, trainer and owner

coachv30
02-26-2018, 09:00 PM
More for tonight.....

Western Fair

Race 1- :8: Dustin / Dustin

Race 2-

:4: McKnight / McKnight; :5: Obrien / Obrien; :6: Richardson / Richardson; :8: Rankin / Rankin...all above 5-1 ML

Race 3- :4: House / House

Race 5- :1: Rankin / Rankin; :6: Hudon / Hudon

Race 6- :5: Battin / Battin

Race 8- :2: Battin / Battin

$2 Win each = $20 Total Wager

Race 8- :2: paid $26.40

coachv30
02-27-2018, 03:32 PM
Miami Valley

Race 1- :3: $76.80...Malone / Malone

sharkey11
02-27-2018, 03:55 PM
thats a nice one coach hope you had it . they just threw a shutout at me over at MR oh well ill give it another try at LON tonight .the angle is a strong one ive seen it pay before so mabey theres certian tracks it works at better than others :headbanger:

coachv30
02-27-2018, 04:03 PM
Miami Valley

Race 6- :5: $19.00......Greeno / Greeno

..........:7: finished 2nd....Beatty / Beatty

:5::7: Exacta paid $214.00

coachv30
02-27-2018, 04:08 PM
thats a nice one coach hope you had it . they just threw a shutout at me over at MR oh well ill give it another try at LON tonight .the angle is a strong one ive seen it pay before so mabey theres certian tracks it works at better than others :headbanger:


I like Lambo's suggestion with Driver / Trainer / Owner but I've just seen it pay well too many times with a different owner.

I didn't have the first one at MVR but I just nailed the win and exacta with the 5-7.

coachv30
02-27-2018, 06:44 PM
Western Fair

Race 1- :2: $45.90....Doyle / Doyle

Hope you had it Sharkey!

sharkey11
02-27-2018, 07:05 PM
ya just a buck on it because it was a ML fav after the scrs in the race . better than zippo lol :headbanger:

coachv30
02-27-2018, 07:09 PM
Dover 3- :6: $41.60.....Green / Green

Yonkers 1- :4: $21.20....Buter / Buter

sharkey11
02-27-2018, 07:24 PM
very nice keep em rolling sir :ThmbUp:

coachv30
02-27-2018, 10:26 PM
Pompano 8- :7: $52.20...Simons / Simons

..................:4: finished 2nd.....Fenn / Fenn

:7::4: Exacta paid $245

coachv30
02-28-2018, 04:27 PM
We have a handful of them at Buffalo, Rosecroft and Western Fair tonight.....let's see what they do.

sharkey11
02-28-2018, 04:34 PM
another shutout @ MR today for me think ill give that one up im going for BR an LON tonight may the horse be with us :headbanger:

coachv30
02-28-2018, 09:34 PM
Not too many tonight....

Pomp 6- :5: $49.60....Shehan / Shehan

Ray2000
03-01-2018, 03:56 AM
NFLD R13 #7 Gonnakissmeornot Keith Kash Jr/Keith Kash Jr $47.40

coachv30
03-06-2018, 06:03 PM
Miami Valley

Race 5: :6: $26.80...Rideout / Rideout

coachv30
03-06-2018, 06:10 PM
Monticello

Race 1: :7: $34.20........DeSimone / DeSimone

coachv30
03-10-2018, 08:16 PM
Saratoga 5

$10 W/P :7: Serious Major......Whitmore / Whitmore

I like this one!

Ray2000
03-11-2018, 06:02 AM
Hey coach, Dover or Canadian "B" is where to look. Good Luck

Driver is Trainer
Track Starts ROI
ddx 345 1.048
flm 666 0.964
lex 505 0.913
grv 337 0.905
rcr 402 0.901
npx 444 0.883
vdx 1114 0.872
tgd 626 0.869
rid 911 0.852
btv 408 0.821
haw 584 0.814
mxx 445 0.791
phl 731 0.788
fhl 370 0.760
mea 1259 0.758

Driver not Trainer but has same last name
lex 60 1.530
haw 273 0.971
ddx 324 0.956
tgd 34 0.929
mvr 548 0.910
hop 504 0.908
scd 749 0.893
wdb 143 0.812
yrx 235 0.805
stg 777 0.790
rcr 159 0.786
dtn 316 0.760
grv 99 0.760
mrx 173 0.756
vdx 355 0.730

coachv30
03-11-2018, 04:12 PM
Thanks Ray.....wish I had some $$ on Race 1 Meadowlands last night.:bang:

coachv30
03-11-2018, 06:10 PM
Flamboro 1- :9: $39.40...LaPointe / LaPointe

coachv30
03-11-2018, 06:19 PM
Upcoming at Flamboro...

Race 2- :1:
Race 3- :8:
Race 5- :4:
Race 6- :4:
Race 9- :3::6::8:

These are at 4-1 ML or better. Hensley / Hensley have a few but they are ML favs.

sharkey11
03-11-2018, 06:37 PM
yes its still alive an kiking 1st @sar:2: 12.60 and the 9th :5: 40.20 :headbanger:

coachv30
03-11-2018, 06:45 PM
yes its still alive an kiking 1st @sar:2: 12.60 and the 9th :5: 40.20 :headbanger:

Hope you played them Sharkey:headbanger:

sharkey11
03-11-2018, 06:58 PM
yes sir i sure did thank you

coachv30
03-11-2018, 09:15 PM
FLM 9-:8: $14.60

coachv30
03-11-2018, 10:08 PM
We're due for one at Rideau-Carlton....

Race 11- :8: Gagnon / Gagnon - 8/1 ML

Ray2000
03-12-2018, 08:29 AM
Woodbine R 6 . #8

Class Me Nice-6/1 . . . . Jackie Mo/Jackie Mo

Moiseyev on a claimed Trotter !

sharkey11
03-12-2018, 11:10 AM
ray that was a very helpful chart on the driver trainers thank you .didnt you do one on off the claim or trainer claims for himself ? i went looking for it on here but theres just too many posts to search through . thanks an best of luck capping :headbanger:

Ray2000
03-12-2018, 11:47 AM
ray that was a very helpful chart on the driver trainers thank you .didnt you do one on off the claim or trainer claims for himself ? i went looking for it on here but theres just too many posts to search through . thanks an best of luck capping :headbanger:

thx
that post on betting horses off claim is here
http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=140391

I never did verify by checking other years but I think the positive ROIs are true.

Bogo
03-12-2018, 04:18 PM
Hey coach, Dover or Canadian "B" is where to look. Good Luck

Driver is Trainer
Track Starts ROI
ddx 345 1.048
flm 666 0.964
lex 505 0.913
grv 337 0.905
rcr 402 0.901
npx 444 0.883
vdx 1114 0.872
tgd 626 0.869
rid 911 0.852
btv 408 0.821
haw 584 0.814
mxx 445 0.791
phl 731 0.788
fhl 370 0.760
mea 1259 0.758

Driver not Trainer but has same last name
lex 60 1.530
haw 273 0.971
ddx 324 0.956
tgd 34 0.929
mvr 548 0.910
hop 504 0.908
scd 749 0.893
wdb 143 0.812
yrx 235 0.805
stg 777 0.790
rcr 159 0.786
dtn 316 0.760
grv 99 0.760
mrx 173 0.756
vdx 355 0.730

What if we only bet these combos at 5-1 or better?

Ray2000
03-12-2018, 06:41 PM
What if we only bet these combos at 5-1 or better?

Typically most overlays are in the 3/1 - 5/1 range on any subset of horses.

This is the case here.
Sweet spot seems to be between 3/1 and 7/2

These ROIs are for all starters where Dr = Tr or Dr and Tr same last name.

All 5/1 or higher odds is 0.666, 24,843 starters.

The way I do ROIs is using a population of starters with a certain criteria.
It's good for showing trends but it's possible some of these starters are in the same race.
ROIs are lowered a bit because of that.

coachv30
03-12-2018, 08:13 PM
Western Fair

Race 6- :9: $20.40.......G. Dustin / G. Dustin

jocko699
03-12-2018, 08:56 PM
Woodbine R 6 . #8

Class Me Nice-6/1 . . . . Jackie Mo/Jackie Mo

Moiseyev on a claimed Trotter !

IMO, he actually raced better than the line will look.

coachv30
03-12-2018, 09:01 PM
IMO, he actually raced better than the line will look.

Agreed!!

Pompano 5

:1: ML 8/1....Simons / Simons

coachv30
03-12-2018, 09:14 PM
Agreed!!

Pompano 5

:1: ML 8/1....Simons / Simons

Recovered strongly after a break to finish 3rd.

jocko699
03-12-2018, 09:18 PM
Recovered strongly after a break to finish 3rd.

Great call, $4.40 to show!!!

coachv30
03-12-2018, 09:36 PM
Great call, $4.40 to show!!!


By a nose :bang:

Pompano 6- :5: Hoffman / Hoffman ML 5-1

coachv30
03-12-2018, 10:22 PM
Pompano 8

:7: Major / Major...ML15 / 1

:9: Schaut / Schaut...ML 8/1

coachv30
03-12-2018, 10:57 PM
Yonkers 10- :5: $27.40...LaChance / LaChance

coachv30
03-13-2018, 05:10 PM
The following at Dover today fit the 5/1 ML or better criteria when not playing live...

R3-:5:
R4- :1::3:
R6-:6:
R7-:1:
R9- :1::9:
R10-:4:
R13- :1:

coachv30
03-13-2018, 06:36 PM
Western Fair

R2-:5:
R3-:5:
R6- :9:
R7- :3::5:
R10- :2:

coachv30
03-14-2018, 10:28 PM
Rosecroft 13 - :4: $53.60...Burton / Burton

Dover 5- :2: $22.20....Brittingham / Brittingham

Ray2000
03-22-2018, 08:46 PM
dover R12
foster/foster
Letsmakeawish $127.40

jocko699
03-22-2018, 08:51 PM
dover R12
foster/foster
Letsmakeawish $127.40

Holy shit:eek:

sharkey11
03-23-2018, 09:33 AM
hope you had it ray. they are there but you ve got to be a good waiter . you might not see another for a couple of weeks but boom when it comes in . happy capping :headbanger:

Ray2000
03-23-2018, 10:12 AM
hope you had it ray. they are there but you ve got to be a good waiter . you might not see another for a couple of weeks but boom when it comes in . happy capping :headbanger:

No I didn't bet it. Just posted it because of the new record high payoff?:rolleyes:

BTW
Watch for Trainer drives then puts a catch driver on next week.

Win% goes from 11.9% to 15.4% . . (same Dr/Tr)
ROI goes from . . 0.72 .to 0.87 . . (catch driver next start)

coachv30
03-23-2018, 03:18 PM
hope you had it ray. they are there but you ve got to be a good waiter . you might not see another for a couple of weeks but boom when it comes in . happy capping :headbanger:

So true....it's almost like I kick myself in the ass for not having it.

sharkey11
03-23-2018, 03:46 PM
well im sure its hard to play them all .and ray theres all kinds of angles an sub angles plays just have to dig em out thanks for the trainer back to catch one ill keep an eye out . :coffee:

Hexplosive
03-23-2018, 07:23 PM
Race :3: :5: Just zip it Crawford,K Driver/Trainer 3/1 8.00 to win.

Race :4: - :5: Cams Lucky Star Randy Tharpes Driver/Trainer 10/1 22.00 to win

coachv30
03-24-2018, 10:16 PM
Another thing to look at could be regular drivers riding for themselves or a relative, opposed to trainers who do not normally drive riding for themselves.

Ray2000
03-25-2018, 05:13 AM
Another thing to look at could be regular drivers riding for themselves or a relative, opposed to trainers who do not normally drive riding for themselves.

Especially if they are part or whole owner. Trouble is ownership is hidden with Corp or LLC names

coachv30
03-25-2018, 02:24 PM
I'm gonna try to catch a few here...

Saratoga Harness

Race 8- :8: Photo King- Randall / Randall

Race 9- :4: Thanks for Playin- Beckwith / Beckwith

Race 10- :1: The Lindy Treaty- Derue / Derue

Race 11- :5: Pier Ho Exotic- Whittemore / Whittemore

$5 WIN/ $3 PLACE each- $24 Total

coachv30
03-25-2018, 03:47 PM
I'm gonna try to catch a few here...

Saratoga Harness

Race 8- :8: Photo King- Randall / Randall

Race 9- :4: Thanks for Playin- Beckwith / Beckwith

Race 10- :1: The Lindy Treaty- Derue / Derue- $4.40 place

Race 11- :5: Pier Ho Exotic- Whittemore / Whittemore- $3.90 Win..$3.10 PLC

$5 WIN/ $3 PLACE each- $24 Total

$24 wagered / $21.00 Returned

coachv30
03-28-2018, 04:06 PM
I'm looking to step in the right pile tonight at Rosecroft. There are a ton of opportunities on the card. In fact, there is at least one horse in every race that meets the angle (five races with multiple qualifiers).

I will not be putting win $ on every one however because I'm not looking to bury my bankroll:rip:

Instead, I will attempt to use some reasoning as to why I'm choosing one over the others.

Race 1

:9: Mackinnon / Mackinnon is the only one who qualifies- $2 WIN

Race 2

We have three here. However, I will put my WIN $ on the :8: Taylor / Taylor because he should be the longest shot on the board-$2 WIN:8:

However, I will take another one of those qualifiers :4: Offut / Offut and key/box it over :1::8:- $1 Key Box :4: / :1::8:


Race 3

Another race with three options. My win $ once again will be on the :8:Offut / Offut. Horses from the 8 can be sneaky here at RCR. - $2 WIN :8:

I will also key box :5: McLeod / McLeod over :8::9:- $1 Key Box- :5: / :8::9:

coachv30
03-28-2018, 04:14 PM
Race 4

Once again...three to choose from. Going with :6: Gazzero / Gazzero for the WIN- $2 WIN :6: As well as- $1 Key Box :1: / :5::6:


Race 5

I can breathe a bit here since there is only one qualifier. - $2 WIN :1: Milby / Milby


Race 6

Two to choose from here. Win $$ on :7: Gray / Gray because he figures for me as well but will also key box :1: Offut / Offut over :5::6::7:


Race 7

$2 WIN :3: Burton / Burton


Race 8

$2 WIN :2: Burton / Burton


More to come if I prosper from the first eight.......

coachv30
03-28-2018, 08:34 PM
:ThmbDown::rip::ThmbDown:

coachv30
03-28-2018, 09:05 PM
A watched pot never boils. Walk away for a few minutes and you have a mess.

Ray2000
04-08-2018, 06:04 AM
72 year old Roger Hammer has TR/DR horses today at Pokie

Races 1,2 and 14

I saw this guy jump from the bike to the back of a pacer when the lines broke. .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9loW4DYW6k

sharkey11
04-12-2018, 04:06 PM
hey coach heres a pretty good one @ stg in race 4 today 159.40 to win place 43.80 . it still works :headbanger:

coachv30
04-12-2018, 07:12 PM
hey coach heres a pretty good one @ stg in race 4 today 159.40 to win place 43.80 . it still works :headbanger:

WOW:eek: Did you by any chance have it??

sharkey11
04-13-2018, 08:49 AM
yes coach i had some on it biggest price horse ive ever had i guess i owe you a coffee or something lol happy capping sir :headbanger:

coachv30
04-13-2018, 05:35 PM
yes coach i had some on it biggest price horse ive ever had i guess i owe you a coffee or something lol happy capping sir :headbanger:

You don't owe me anything...you deserve it for staying loyal to the angle:ThmbUp:

sharkey11
04-13-2018, 06:58 PM
thanks coach it does help that we both know its effective though happy capping sir :headbanger:

coachv30
04-15-2018, 02:38 PM
Saratoga

Race 8 - :5: $50.00...Whittemore / Whittemore

sharkey11
04-15-2018, 03:09 PM
wouldnt you know it i decided to skip stg today lol just my luck nice one though coach :headbanger: get em

coachv30
04-15-2018, 08:01 PM
Pomp 2

:4: paid $42.80...Minor / Minor

sharkey11
04-15-2018, 08:35 PM
that one i was on coach nice 1 :headbanger:

coachv30
04-20-2018, 09:40 PM
Saratoga

Race 9: :3: $36.40.....Crawford / Crawford

sharkey11
04-21-2018, 11:04 AM
a couple last night @ VD 5th :4: $ 23.40 an the 8th :4: a nice one $55.50 those 2 saved my day yesterday with all the chalk eaters gorging on the 2-5 shots gl an happy long shot hunting coach :headbanger:

coachv30
04-21-2018, 09:58 PM
a couple last night @ VD 5th :4: $ 23.40 an the 8th :4: a nice one $55.50 those 2 saved my day yesterday with all the chalk eaters gorging on the 2-5 shots gl an happy long shot hunting coach :headbanger:

:headbanger:

coachv30
04-23-2018, 08:57 PM
Yonkers 4- :8: $123.80...Simons / Simons

coachv30
04-23-2018, 09:05 PM
Gonna try and score one tonight...

Pompano

Race 6- :6:
Race 7- :6:
Race 8- :9:

$5 WIN each

sharkey11
04-23-2018, 09:12 PM
there was one in the 4th coach @ppk 34.40 r hoffman nice one there @YN :headbanger:

coachv30
04-24-2018, 08:15 PM
Hoosier 6- :4: $71.00......Peterson / Peterson

Has to be the best longshot angle out there.....can't play them all though.

Ray2000
04-24-2018, 09:32 PM
It helps when the Trainer drives, best return is on poor UDR.
I'll do Trainer / Trainer relative later

Trainer's Driver UDR rating

UDR Win% ROI
>300 20% 0.77

>250 <300 18% 0.76

>200 <250 15% 0.71

<200 12.57% 0.931

sharkey11
04-24-2018, 09:49 PM
yes ray parimutual wagering is reverse thinking the worse it looks on paper the higher the payoff so that chart makes perfict sence thanks for it sir gl capping and coach it seems to me to be a very good one for sure .i did an early speed foucsed one but was always getting too many plays per race . gl fellas :coffee:

Ray2000
04-30-2018, 03:30 PM
I didn't have it but . .

Meadows R6
Chitty Bang Bang . . . $27.40 . Collins, Dean/Collins, Dean

coachv30
05-01-2018, 09:42 PM
Pocono 9: :8: Break Free....Mullin / Mullin M/L- 9/2

Wins at 39-1 gate to wire. $80.20:bang:

coachv30
05-09-2018, 07:42 PM
I can honestly say the only way you have this horse is..

1) You are part of the connections

2) you play the 8 all the time; or

3) the Same driver / Trainer Angle..

Northfield 4

:8: Ebersole / Ebersole...$361.40....$96.80....$31.20:bang:

Sea Biscuit
05-10-2018, 09:36 AM
I can honestly say the only way you have this horse is..

1) You are part of the connections

2) you play the 8 all the time; or

3) the Same driver / Trainer Angle..

Northfield 4

:8: Ebersole / Ebersole...$361.40....$96.80....$31.20:bang:


Royal Player had a total of $61 in the win column.

Ray2000
06-18-2018, 06:40 PM
Harrington R4

Lynch, A Toby/Lynch, A Toby

Always Rock N Roll......$133.80 $42.00 $9.60

sharkey11
06-18-2018, 07:26 PM
wtg ray nice payoff :headbanger:

Ray2000
06-18-2018, 08:07 PM
wtg ray nice payoff :headbanger:

I didn't have it Sharkey, I was just posting another one to this thread.

There must be a way to eliminate some DR/TR horses. There's too many to make this angle profitable by betting them all.

coachv30
06-18-2018, 09:12 PM
Maybe only play 40-1 or higher for $2...you would have to be playing live though.