Gun Control poll

[JustRalph]

Missing option: "Repeal 2nd amendment"

March 24 March.

Yeah......that’ll happen. :rolleyes:

[PaceAdvantage]

Hey Cap thanks for the info on Maurice Nicoll. Cap these poor benighted souls are Trump "supporters" not simply Trumps voters that made a mistake. They are hopeless bigots and not worth the time of a "vertical" man.Oh, now we're all hopeless bigots.

And they say the left on here doesn't name call and doesn't insult like the right.

The real bigots were those who applauded and praised former KKK head honcho Robert Byrd (folks like Obama, and Hillary and Bill and all the rest of the Democrat hierarchy). And you just went along with that, never posting a negative word about it.

Imagine if a former grand pubah of the KKK was sitting in Congress for 50 years as a Republican...there wouldn't be enough fainting couches in the world for guys like you. You'd be left sobbing in the corner like a child and crying out the evils of the world on a daily basis.

But Dems get away with it with almost zero repercussions...but we're the bigots.

Funny stuff my man, as always.

[FantasticDan]

OMG Bobby Byrd again.. is this for the new members who maybe didn't see it the first 500 times? :lol: :ThmbUp:


Oh, now we're all hopeless bigots.

And they say the left on here doesn't name call and doesn't insult like the right.

The real bigots were those who applauded and praised former KKK head honcho Robert Byrd (folks like Obama, and Hillary and Bill and all the rest of the Democrat hierarchy). And you just went along with that, never posting a negative word about it.

Imagine if a former grand pubah of the KKK was sitting in Congress for 50 years as a Republican...there wouldn't be enough fainting couches in the world for guys like you. You'd be left sobbing in the corner like a child and crying out the evils of the world on a daily basis.

But Dems get away with it with almost zero repercussions...but we're the bigots.

Funny stuff my man, as always.

[PaceAdvantage]

OMG Bobby Byrd again.. is this for the new members who maybe didn't see it the first 500 times? :lol: :ThmbUp:You're another who just let it go with zero problems all those years...in fact, you accused TOM of being WORSE than Robert Byrd, so you, like Hillary and Obama, are apparently a big fan of the former Senator from W. Virginia.

I'll continue to bring it up 500 more times as long as the left continues to play the innocent game while accusing every freakin' right of center person in existence of being a bigot or worse.

You and the rest deserve the big bright light of duplicity shone in your face at every chance.

[FantasticDan]

You're another who just let it go with zero problems all those years...
I guess you missed all those threads I started exhorting those wacky West Virginians to not keep re-electing him for 50 damn years :lol:

[upthecreek]

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/971467487295561731

[FantasticDan]

You're another who just let it go with zero problems all those years...in fact, you accused TOM of being WORSE than Robert Byrd, so you, like Hillary and Obama, are apparently a big fan of the former Senator from W. Virginia.
Just because I say syphilis is worse than gonorrhea doesn't make me a "big fan" of the latter :blush: ;)

[Tom]

That is 500 times you have defended him.
:ThmbDown::ThmbDown::ThmbDown:

Maybe you could post a meme of a lynching and sign it with your laughter.

And you called ME a racist!

Go wash your sheets - they are stained.

[PaceAdvantage]

I guess you missed all those threads I started exhorting those wacky West Virginians to not keep re-electing him for 50 damn years :lol:I tried searching...couldn't find one...either search is broken or I forgot how to use it...I guess it's possible.

Even if there is one, I'm sure it's just some snarky reply to someone bashing him...you never went out of your way to create a thread denouncing him...or post one of your famous memes...

Like Trump, you haven't DENOUNCED...have you?

[davew]

Some estimate there are 300 million guns in USA, and feel the near term goal is to get them all on a yearly license like vehicles on the road. The license fees would obviously get higher as the dims find more ways to spend the money. When it gets up to $200/gun, most guns will be restricted to crooks, cops, military, and people that really want one.

[Clocker]

Some estimate there are 300 million guns in USA, and feel the near term goal is to get them all on a yearly license like vehicles on the road. The license fees would obviously get higher as the dims find more ways to spend the money. When it gets up to $200/gun, most guns will be restricted to crooks, cops, military, and people that really want one.

Won't bother me. I lost all my guns in a boating accident a few years back. I can refer the authorities to the general area if they would care to check it out. I'd suggest waiting for summer. Lake Superior is a bit cool this time of year.

[JustRalph]

The NAACP called for confiscation this week.


It’s their wet dream, and the overall left, Sending the U.S. military to seize weapons

[Inner Dirt]

Some estimate there are 300 million guns in USA, and feel the near term goal is to get them all on a yearly license like vehicles on the road. The license fees would obviously get higher as the dims find more ways to spend the money. When it gets up to $200/gun, most guns will be restricted to crooks, cops, military, and people that really want one.


Has someone already proposed this? If not, keep your thoughts to yourself. We don't need to give gun grabbing tax and spend liberals any more bad ideas than those already bouncing around in their heads.

[chadk66]

no one is going to confiscate guns. well no one that isn't suicidal anyway.

[Tom]

You can't have my gun, but you are welcome to as many of my bullets as it takes! :headbanger:

[FantasticDan]

The NAACP called for confiscation this week.
I thought it was Trump who did that? :lol: :bang:

[MONEY]

The NAACP called for confiscation this week.


It’s their wet dream, and the overall left, Sending the U.S. military to seize weapons

Maybe they should also call for the confiscation of bombs.

"Three package bombings at Austin homes are linked"

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-austin-bombings-20180312-story.html

[timp]

Do not need them don't have one been around the world in the worst areas no problems,take all of them away second amendment my ass that was made 200 years ago when Indians frontier and all of dangers of the wild money is all this is bout nra phony baloney

[jocko699]

Do not need them don't have one been around the world in the worst areas no problems,take all of them away second amendment my ass that was made 200 years ago when Indians frontier and all of dangers of the wild money is all this is bout nra phony baloney

Deep and all one sentence.

[Clocker]

Deep and all one sentence.

Deep in something, that's for sure. :p

[jk3521]

...And teachers should carry guns in schools?:D

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/teacher-accidentally-fires-pistol-public-safety-lecture-article-1.3873354

[Tom]

What is wrong with that?
They have a program in Colorado where teachers are certified to carry concealed guns in school. They receive specific training on handling both the guns and shooter situations. Those who carry are not made generally made known to the public. I assume certain other teachers are informed for obvious reasons.

What do you thing is an easier target, a gun free zone where the shooter knows he has 0 risk for x amount of time, or xxxxx amount of time if he is in Broward County, or a school where x number of teachers are armed and trained to react?

[jk3521]

What is wrong with that?
They have a program in Colorado where teachers are certified to carry concealed guns in school. They receive specific training on handling both the guns and shooter situations. Those who carry are not made generally made known to the public. I assume certain other teachers are informed for obvious reasons.

What do you thing is an easier target, a gun free zone where the shooter knows he has 0 risk for x amount of time, or xxxxx amount of time if he is in Broward County, or a school where x number of teachers are armed and trained to react?

I'm saying that it's ironic that someone who is trained (he's a reserve officer with the police department) still makes the foolish mistake of discharging a weapon in a classroom while teaching "gun safety". I was not commenting on the issue of gun toting school officials.

[JustRalph]

Accidents happen. Big deal.......

[jk3521]

Never mind !:rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjYoNL4g5Vg

[Tom]

I'm saying that it's ironic that someone who is trained (he's a reserve officer with the police department) still makes the foolish mistake of discharging a weapon in a classroom while teaching "gun safety". I was not commenting on the issue of gun toting school officials.

OK, my bad.

[barahona44]

I read about that teacher and it sounded like an old Three Stooges comedy.Moe hands Curly a gun and Curly thinks it's not loaded, fires it and when it goes off, a bird falls from the sky.

But only one kid was wounded, so nothing to really worry about.

[FantasticDan]

I read about that teacher and it sounded like an old Three Stooges comedy.Moe hands Curly a gun and Curly thinks it's not loaded, fires it and when it goes off, a bird falls from the sky.

But only one kid was wounded, so nothing to really worry about.
Or as Principal Ralph says:

Accidents happen. Big deal.......

:bang: :bang:

[Tom]

Yeah, that is like, uh, well, putting HILLARY on the edge of a curb! :pound::pound::pound::pound:

[upthecreek]

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/974638954912931840

[elysiantraveller]

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/974638954912931840

:bang::bang:

Why is Fox News covering this...? We're barely covering this and we live here.

This is America now... :faint:

[Tom]

Some lefty loser was on last night arguing that we need to limit the number of rounds police can carry. Why would you need more than 10? More round will only tend to jam up.

Math, not for everyone.
Numbers can hurt you if you don't use them right. :pound::pound::pound:

[Clocker]

Is our children learning? Apparently not.

From an anti-gun rally in Parkland, FL.:

https://static.pjmedia.com/trending/user-content/51/files/2018/03/Spartans-anti-NRA.sized-770x415x0x995x1400x755.png

To explain for recent graduates of our public schools, the Greek words on the shirt are written phonetically as "Molon Labe" in English.

When the Spartans at the Battle of Thermopylae were told by the Persians to lay down their weapons, the Spartan king responded "Molon labe", "Come and take them".

[elysiantraveller]

Is our children learning? Apparently not.

From an anti-gun rally in Parkland, FL.:

https://static.pjmedia.com/trending/user-content/51/files/2018/03/Spartans-anti-NRA.sized-770x415x0x995x1400x755.png

To explain for recent graduates of our public schools, the Greek words on the shirt are written phonetically as "Molon Labe" in English.

When the Spartans at the Battle of Thermopylae were told by the Persians to lay down their weapons, the Spartan king responded "Molon labe", "Come and take them".

Saw this on FB earlier today quite funny.

[JustRalph]

Come on......

[upthecreek]

https://twitter.com/LeahR77/status/966733433689997313

[upthecreek]

https://twitter.com/Education4Libs/status/974994208728723461

[Tom]

Come on......

Kinda look like the female 3 Stooges, don't they?
The ignorance of youth......they should pull out their 0bama phones and call somebody! :lol:

Scary that they could be our future.
Make sure they are informed about abortion.

[Clocker]

New Jersey takes the lead in the race to the height of stupidity.

A NJ school district suspended two students who went to a gun range with their families and posted pictures of that on social media.

A screen capture of the image made the rounds among other students and later brought to the attention of Lacey Township High School officials. Buron said the students received a five-day in-school suspension for violating the school's policy on weapons possession.The school has a policy as to what a parent can possess?

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2018/03/16/a-high-school-student-in-new-jersey-was-suspended-from-school-after-going-to-the-gun-range-with-his-family-n2461760

[OntheRail]

New Jersey takes the lead in the race to the height of stupidity.

A NJ school district suspended two students who went to a gun range with their families and posted pictures of that on social media.

The school has a policy as to what a parent can possess?

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2018/03/16/a-high-school-student-in-new-jersey-was-suspended-from-school-after-going-to-the-gun-range-with-his-family-n2461760

I'm sure the ACLU... is rushing in to right this injustice.

:rolleyes:

[Tom]

5 days out a NJ school has got to put them well ahead of the rest of their class.

Maybe the liberal brainwashing will be reversed.

[Show Me the Wire]

If teenagers, cannot make rational decisions, thus they cannot be allowed to purchase a rifle or hand gun, why are they allowed to have abortions without parental consent?

The same reasoning should apply to teenagers deciding to end a human life. We need to demand the same standards apply across the board. Also, if there is a waiting or cooling off period to purchase a firearm, the same needs to apply to people seeking abortions.

Every time the gun grabbing crowd want to impose an obstacle the same obstacle should be imposed on abortions, after all lives are at stake in both situations.

[Clocker]

You Tube to the rescue. :rolleyes:

YouTube is entering the gun control debate with a new ban on videos which demo firearms or link to websites selling firearms or firearm accessories.

The move to ban firearm demos dovetails with the media platform’s desire to “prohibit videos with instructions on how to assemble firearms.”
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/03/21/youtube-bans-all-gun-demonstration-videos/

[JustRalph]

That Youtube ban sucks. There are some pretty good vids on a ton of different guns.

I needed to do some work on one of my guns once. Dialed up Youtube and got to watch a guy do the same thing I was about to do on the exact same model gun and it made the work go real easy.

[johnhannibalsmith]

That Youtube ban sucks. There are some pretty good vids on a ton of different guns.

I needed to do some work on one of my guns once. Dialed up Youtube and got to watch a guy do the same thing I was about to do on the exact same model gun and it made the work go real easy.

This is America. YouTube just gave away a market share for someone else to capitalize on. Give it a week before Guns&Ammo or whatever is hosting the same stuff for all the same reasons.

[barahona44]

You Tube to the rescue. :rolleyes:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/03/21/youtube-bans-all-gun-demonstration-videos/

What YouTube needs to do to make gun videos acceptable is to have the tutorials done by skateboarding dogs.

[Clocker]

What YouTube needs to do to make gun videos acceptable is to have the tutorials done by skateboarding dogs.

Have the tutorials done by gangsta rappers. YouTube wouldn't be able to object, and social justice warrior heads would explode trying to deal with such a clash of politically correct and incorrect concepts.

[barahona44]

Have the tutorials done by gangsta rappers. YouTube wouldn't be able to object, and social justice warrior heads would explode trying to deal with such a clash of politically correct and incorrect concepts.

C'mon, an English Bulldog with a Glock. Who could resist?

[Tom]

Time to investigate YouBoob for being a monopoly.

[Clocker]

CitiBank has announced that it will impose tougher gun controls on its business customers than state and federal laws require.

Under this new policy, we will require new retail sector clients or partners to adhere to these best practices: (1) they don’t sell firearms to someone who hasn’t passed a background check, (2) they restrict the sale of firearms for individuals under 21 years of age, and (3) they don’t sell bump stocks or high-capacity magazines. This policy will apply across the firm, including to small business, commercial and institutional clients, as well as credit card partners, whether co-brand or private label. It doesn’t impact the ability of consumers to use their Citi cards at merchants of their choice.https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/03/citibank-explains-their-plan-to-curtail-second-amendment-rights/#more-245049

[classhandicapper]

CitiBank has announced that it will impose tougher gun controls on its business customers than state and federal laws require.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/03/citibank-explains-their-plan-to-curtail-second-amendment-rights/#more-245049

I'm not in favor of corporations getting involved in politics. For one thing, I already hate our government, politicians, and so much about the political process, there's not much room for more hate in my heart. But I guess in this case I can make an exception. I already hate Wall St and the large banks. So I'm not adding anyone new to the list (I used to work for Citicorp). :lol:

[Clocker]

The brain trust running Broward County has come up with the perfect solution to school shootings: clear backpacks.

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The school will provide the backpacks. Oops, I mean the taxpayers will provide the backpacks.

Great idea. No one is going to smuggle in an assault rifle in one of those. :rolleyes:

[chadk66]

soon to be followed by clear pants

[Tom]

What about clear guns?

[Clocker]

What about clear guns?

What about a hand gun in a lunch bag or wrapped in some smelly gym shorts or in that old mystery movie favorite, a hollowed out book?

[Tom]

Working on the bullets now.....

[Clocker]

The mouthy little kid from Parkland who has become the poster boy for gun-grabbers and Second Amendment haters says a school requirement for clear backpacks violates his First Amendment rights. :pound:

https://news.grabien.com/story-parklands-hogg-rules-requiring-clear-backpacks-violate-our-f

[Tom]

This is why we don't listen to children.

[horses4courses]

The mouthy little kid from Parkland

So tell me, which one would that be?

These kids are smart and articulate.
They also have a very strong rallying cry.

Encouraging our youth to become active
in the electoral process is highly commendable.
Conservatives, however, may not agree.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZAeVs2VoAE0yOR.jpg:small

[horses4courses]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZAd8q2U0AA0zSG.jpg:small

[horses4courses]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DY4p7Q1VoAEbR9J.jpg:small

[Clocker]

These kids are smart and articulate.



Right. Kids who think that what they can bring into a school is protected by the First Amendment.

Hint: you have no freedom of speech rights on someone else's property.

[horses4courses]

Right. Kids who think that what they can bring into a school is protected by the First Amendment.

Hint: you have no freedom of speech rights on someone else's property.

Ever the expert.....in misinformation :rolleyes:

http://www.ktvn.com/story/37771894/mcqueen-student-suspended-for-profanity-in-call-to-amodeis-office


The call that he made, which is his First Amendment right, to petition the government for redress of grievances," ACLU Nevada Policy Director Holly Welborn said, "that was on his time, and his space, when he made that phone call. So the school really had no legal right to punish him."

The McQueen walk-out was not a school sponsored event, but it did happen on school property.

[Clocker]

Ever the expert.....in misinformation :rolleyes:

http://www.ktvn.com/story/37771894/mcqueen-student-suspended-for-profanity-in-call-to-amodeis-office

Try to keep up. The kid said that the school requirement to use a clear backpack violated his First Amendment rights to free speech.

[FantasticDan]

Right. Kids who think that what they can bring into a school is protected by the First Amendment.
Hint: you have no freedom of speech rights on someone else's property.
The Parkland school is public, and as such the students' First Amendment rights are protected.

[Clocker]

The Parkland school is public, and as such the students' First Amendment rights are protected.

The First Amendment says that Congress shall make no law "prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech".

A school rule is not a Congressional law. Are you saying that a kid standing up in class and interrupting the teacher is a valid exercise of free speech? Publishing porn in the school paper is protected speech? Dress codes are illegal?

If the Parkland school is public, can folks walk in and have a picnic in the middle of the gym floor?

I'm not going to bother looking, but SCOTUS has ruled that officials in charge of public property are acting for the "owners" of that property, and can establish reasonable, non-discriminatory rules as to the use of such property.

If First Amendment rights trump (pardon the expression) school rules, why don't Second Amendment rights? If I have a legal right to concealed carry down the street, why don't I have it in the school?

[FantasticDan]

The First Amendment says that Congress shall make no law "prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech".

A school rule is not a Congressional law. Are you saying that a kid standing up in class and interrupting the teacher is a valid exercise of free speech? Publishing porn in the school paper is protected speech? Dress codes are illegal?

I'm saying that public school students don't necessarily forego their first amendment rights when they walk through the doors of their school.

Spelled out:

https://www.aclu.org/issues/free-speech/student-speech-and-privacy/students-rights-speech-walkouts-and-other-protests?redirect=studentprotestrights

[JustRalph]

Dan’s claim that it is public is correct in the sense that it’s funded publicly and the school is an arm of government. The rule makers are “ public officials” which allows and gives veracity to the 1st Amendment argument.

Clocker, the crux of your argument lies in what you said in your last post.

“establish reasonable, non-discriminatory rules as to the use of such property. ”

This is the middle ground between your argument and Dan’s assertion. That’s where a court would have to decide.......we’ve been down this road and there are multiple rulings from state to state.

[Clocker]

Dan’s claim that it is public is correct in the sense that it’s funded publicly and the school is an arm of government. The rule makers are “ public officials” which allows and gives veracity to the 1st Amendment argument.

Clocker, the crux of your argument lies in what you said in your last post.

“establish reasonable, non-discriminatory rules as to the use of such property. ”

This is the middle ground between your argument and Dan’s assertion. That’s where a court would have to decide.......we’ve been down this road and there are multiple rulings from state to state.

SCOTUS has addressed it. Local authorities can restrict speech to an appropriate time, place, and manner.

Grayned v. City of Rockford (1972) summarized the time, place, manner concept: "The crucial question is whether the manner of expression is basically incompatible with the normal activity of a particular place at a particular time."[22]

Time, place, and manner restrictions must withstand intermediate scrutiny. Note that any regulations that would force speakers to change how or what they say do not fall into this category (so the government cannot restrict one medium even if it leaves open another). Ward v. Rock Against Racism (1989) held that time, place, or manner restrictions must:[23]


Be content neutral
Be narrowly tailored
Serve a significant governmental interest
Leave open ample alternative channels for communication

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_the_United_States#Time,_place ,_and_manner_restrictions

[Clocker]

I'm saying that public school students don't necessarily forego their first amendment rights when they walk through the doors of their school.

Spelled out:

https://www.aclu.org/issues/free-speech/student-speech-and-privacy/students-rights-speech-walkouts-and-other-protests?redirect=studentprotestrights

From that source:

Yes. You do not lose your right to free speech just by walking into school. You have the right to speak out, hand out flyers and petitions, and wear expressive clothing in school — as long as you don’t disrupt the functioning of the school or violate the school’s content-neutral policies.Clear backpacks, as insane as the idea is, would appear to be a content-neutral policy. Or does that refer to the contents of the backpack, and the school can't object if the content of a clear backpack is an assault weapon?

[Dave Schwartz]

On the issue of schools being public or private:

In 1990 I was in a high school parking lot and a kid backed into me with his pickup. More specifically, he parked the rear end of his truck in my back seat.

He had no insurance.

Police were summoned and I was told that the student could not be charged with having no insurance because he was on PRIVATE property.

Sure enough... The school property is deemed "private" because it is owned by an entity known as the Washoe County School District.

Shocked me.

[JustRalph]

Just because SCOTUS ruled in that case doesn’t mean the same battle cannot be fought all over again.

Happens all the time.....

[Inner Dirt]

So tell me, which one would that be?

These kids are smart and articulate.
They also have a very strong rallying cry.

Encouraging our youth to become active
in the electoral process is highly commendable.
Conservatives, however, may not agree.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZAeVs2VoAE0yOR.jpg:small

I would have no problem if the K-12 schools were like when I went 40+ years ago and presented both sides of the argument and let the kids decide, instead of the liberal propaganda machine they are now.
I remember in a High school government class asking the teacher if he voted for Ford or Carter, he refused to answer. He would lay out both sides of an argument, let us debate and give our opinion then put the matter to a vote. I seriously doubt 40+ years later anyone teaches HS government class like Mr Furnell. Pretty sure all class time is now spent preaching liberalism and denouncing conservatism.

[horses4courses]

Pretty sure all class time is now spent preaching liberalism and denouncing conservatism.

Nothing like a sweeping generalization to state your case. :rolleyes:

[woodtoo]

Nothing like a sweeping generalization to state your case. :rolleyes:

It is what it is, generally speaking. You know it and I know it.

[horses4courses]

It is what it is, generally speaking. You know it and I know it.

I know nothing of the sort.
There are millions of teachers.
Unfortunately, some are conservatives.

Universities?
That's another story.
Higher level of thought - more liberalism.

[Tom]

If schools are public property, then banning guns is violating the 2nd amendment.

[Tom]

I know nothing

FTFY

[Inner Dirt]

Nothing like a sweeping generalization to state your case. :rolleyes:

It is spot on, what is wrong with generalizing and stereotyping if it is accurate?

[Inner Dirt]

FTFY

Were you a comedian in a past life? I swear I laugh at your posts more than everyone else's combined. I wish I could give you more rep points.

[FantasticDan]

It is spot on, what is wrong with generalizing and stereotyping if it is accurate?You said you hadn't been in a school in 40+ yrs, then for some reason claim to know exactly what goes on in them now.

That doesn't sound "accurate", it sounds stupid. :ThmbUp:

[Tom]

Judging by interacting with the kids today, apparently nothing is going on.

Kids are dumber than dirt.
Obviously being groomed to take over the DNC, or at least swallow its BS.

The ones at my local McDonalds should be PAYING $15 an hour to be there!

[Inner Dirt]

You said you hadn't been in a school in 40+ yrs, then for some reason claim to know exactly what goes on in them now.

That doesn't sound "accurate", it sounds stupid. :ThmbUp:

I know people who currently teach school, that is where I get my information from. What is up with the liberals and the personal attacks, is that all they have? Have I ever called any posts by you, Fantastic Dan stupid? Of course I will give up challenging any liberal calling me stupid or ignorant to an I.Q. test as I believe I am up to a dozen of them who have backed down and half of those reside here.

[Clocker]

Judging by interacting with the kids today, apparently nothing is going on.

At least nothing is going on in their heads.

They whine that someone needs to do something to protect them from evil guns. When someone does something to try to protect them (as feeble as clear backpacks are), they whine that that is an invasion of their privacy.

Make the world safe for us, but don't do anything that affects us directly. :rolleyes:

[JustRalph]

At least nothing is going on in their heads.

They whine that someone needs to do something to protect them from evil guns. When someone does something to try to protect them (as feeble as clear backpacks are), they whine that that is an invasion of their privacy.

Make the world safe for us, but don't do anything that affects us directly. :rolleyes:

I try to train 17 yr olds to run a cash register. 1 out of 10 can do it correctly when it comes to counting.

90% also do not understand the concept of customer service. They are stone faced and speak in such a perfunctory manner that it’s like a zombie speaking. And they cannot understand why they are suddenly a bus boy..........

[Clocker]

I try to train 17 yr olds to run a cash register. 1 out of 10 can do it correctly when it comes to counting.

90% also do not understand the concept of customer service. They are stone faced and speak in such a perfunctory manner that it’s like a zombie speaking. And they cannot understand why they are suddenly a bus boy..........

The average teen at a register is paralyzed if your total is something like $8.10 and you hand them a ten dollar bill and a dime.

[JustRalph]

The average teen at a register is paralyzed if your total is something like $8.10 and you hand them a ten dollar bill and a dime.

Our register makes that easy....just punch in what the customer gave you......it does the math for you......they still get confused.

Sometimes when I’m running the register I will round up the customers change from something like a 1.48 to 1.50 based on what kind of change is in my drawer.....running low on pennies or something........and explaining that to a teen might as well be string theory........

[classhandicapper]

I was thinking about gun control last night and I feel like I had some kind of revelation in my thinking that may have been apparent to everyone else, but not to me.

The current numbers are a little tough to find, but there are about 10k people killed each year because of drunk driving and 13k killed in gun violence. Whatever the exact number, it's relatively close.

Some of the 13k killed in gun violence are not random. By that I mean, it was motivated by gang fighting, drug deals, business deals gone bad, passion killings etc... If you aren't involved in crime or screwing someone, you are less likely to get killed.

So basically, your chances of randomly getting killed by a drunk driver are higher than your chances of getting killed randomly by gun violence.

My life mirrors that expectation. In my life, I've lost 2 friends to drunk driving (2 others were hurt badly), but I've never had a friend get shot.

I'm sure the expectations change in some neighborhoods. It's worse in some areas and better in others. So attitudes would be different in different communities,

But it got me wondering why we aren't constantly fighting about drinking and driving. Sure, we've raised the age for drinking in some states. We've toughened the laws for getting caught. But this afternoon when I go out, I'm way more likely to get killed by a drunk driver than a gun and no one is marching, no one going to get thrown out of office, it isn't on TV every single day....In fact, the very same people fighting for gun control in many cases are fighting for legalized marijuana (which will most likely raise the accident rate with cars).

What exactly is the difference?

[JustRalph]

I was thinking about gun control last night and I feel like I had some kind of revelation in my thinking that may have been apparent to everyone else, but not to me.

The current numbers are a little tough to find, but there are about 10k people killed each year because of drunk driving and 13k killed in gun violence. Whatever the exact number, it's relatively close.

Some of the 13k killed in gun violence are not random. By that I mean, it was motivated by gang fighting, drug deals, business deals gone bad, passion killings etc... If you aren't involved in crime or screwing someone, you are less likely to get killed.

So basically, your chances of randomly getting killed by a drunk driver are higher than your chances of getting killed randomly by gun violence.

My life mirrors that expectation. In my life, I've lost 2 friends to drunk driving (2 others were hurt badly), but I've never had a friend get shot.

I'm sure the expectations change in some neighborhoods. It's worse in some areas and better in others. So attitudes would be different in different communities,

But it got me wondering why we aren't constantly fighting about drinking and driving. Sure, we've raised the age for drinking in some states. We've toughened the laws for getting caught. But this afternoon when I go out, I'm way more likely to get killed by a drunk driver than a gun and no one is marching, no one going to get thrown out of office, it isn't on TV every single day....In fact, the very same people fighting for gun control in many cases are fighting for legalized marijuana (which will most likely raise the accident rate with cars).

What exactly is the difference?

Stop thinking so logically or risk being attacked gun grabbers. Therein lies your answer also......

The left cannot truly rule the country without gun confiscation

[Lemon Drop Husker]

So tell me, which one would that be?

These kids are smart and articulate.
They also have a very strong rallying cry.

Encouraging our youth to become active
in the electoral process is highly commendable.
Conservatives, however, may not agree.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZAeVs2VoAE0yOR.jpg:small


I was a Democrat when I was younger. Thought I had the world all figured out and that older people were just stupid and behind the times.

Then I grew up.

[Clocker]

I was a Democrat when I was younger. Thought I had the world all figured out and that older people were just stupid and behind the times.

Then I grew up.

"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." -- Winston Churchill

[classhandicapper]

I was a Democrat when I was younger. Thought I had the world all figured out and that older people were just stupid and behind the times.

Then I grew up.

When I was a kid we had a class project. You had to pick between Nixon and McGovern and make the case for who would be a better president. The teacher faced a problem. Almost no one in my class wanted McGovern. I volunteered enthusiastically. There's a long path between McGovern and where I am now.

[barahona44]

I was thinking about gun control last night and I feel like I had some kind of revelation in my thinking that may have been apparent to everyone else, but not to me.

The current numbers are a little tough to find, but there are about 10k people killed each year because of drunk driving and 13k killed in gun violence. Whatever the exact number, it's relatively close.

Some of the 13k killed in gun violence are not random. By that I mean, it was motivated by gang fighting, drug deals, business deals gone bad, passion killings etc... If you aren't involved in crime or screwing someone, you are less likely to get killed.

So basically, your chances of randomly getting killed by a drunk driver are higher than your chances of getting killed randomly by gun violence.

My life mirrors that expectation. In my life, I've lost 2 friends to drunk driving (2 others were hurt badly), but I've never had a friend get shot.

I'm sure the expectations change in some neighborhoods. It's worse in some areas and better in others. So attitudes would be different in different communities,

But it got me wondering why we aren't constantly fighting about drinking and driving. Sure, we've raised the age for drinking in some states. We've toughened the laws for getting caught. But this afternoon when I go out, I'm way more likely to get killed by a drunk driver than a gun and no one is marching, no one going to get thrown out of office, it isn't on TV every single day....In fact, the very same people fighting for gun control in many cases are fighting for legalized marijuana (which will most likely raise the accident rate with cars).

What exactly is the difference?

Drunk driving deaths have been cut in more than half (51%) since their 1982 peak.That's because of the restrictions placed on drivers by raising the drinking age (in all states now-the Reagan administration witheld federal highway funds from states that didn't raise the age to 21.Money talks) , toughening laws and social pressure; those "Enjoy our products responsibly" messages sink in after awhile.There are organizations like MADD to keep the pressure on.

So what is the difference.People drive all the time, most people at least every day.Are people firing their guns every day?If they were, there would be a lot more than 13,000 killed.Also, those numbers, do they include suicides for the gun numbers? And do the numbers for the DUI deaths include the drunk drivers themselves;I'm betting a significant % of the DD deaths ARE the drivers.Still a tragedy but that would actually make an innocent person less likely to killed by a DUI.

In short I think you're comparing raspberries and daffodils. (I'm in an anti-cliche mood today.:)).DUI deaths have been reduced by raising ages, restrictions on behavior, changing laws and pressure tactics by opponents.Would you want this from gun control advocates?

[Tom]

When I was a kid we had a class project. You had to pick between Nixon and McGovern and make the case for who would be a better president. The teacher faced a problem. Almost no one in my class wanted McGovern. I volunteered enthusiastically. There's a long path between McGovern and where I am now.

I was a big McGovern supporter.
My very first time voting.

Welcome to reality! :faint:

[Inner Dirt]

I was a big McGovern supporter.
My very first time voting.

Welcome to reality! :faint:

I stayed up all night in 1968 watching election returns worried Nixon would loose to McGovern. I was 7 years old. I have always been a Republican, not even sure where I got it from at such a young age as nobody in my immediate family discussed politics until I met my step-dad at the age of 14.

As for your strong support of McGovern, were you smoking too much hippie lettuce?

[classhandicapper]

Drunk driving deaths have been cut in more than half (51%) since their 1982 peak.That's because of the restrictions placed on drivers by raising the drinking age (in all states now-the Reagan administration witheld federal highway funds from states that didn't raise the age to 21.Money talks) , toughening laws and social pressure; those "Enjoy our products responsibly" messages sink in after awhile.There are organizations like MADD to keep the pressure on.

So what is the difference.People drive all the time, most people at least every day.Are people firing their guns every day?If they were, there would be a lot more than 13,000 killed.Also, those numbers, do they include suicides for the gun numbers? And do the numbers for the DUI deaths include the drunk drivers themselves;I'm betting a significant % of the DD deaths ARE the drivers.Still a tragedy but that would actually make an innocent person less likely to killed by a DUI.

In short I think you're comparing raspberries and daffodils. (I'm in an anti-cliche mood today.:)).DUI deaths have been reduced by raising ages, restrictions on behavior, changing laws and pressure tactics by opponents.Would you want this from gun control advocates?

I don't recall making any statements suggesting we shouldn't add some sensible regulations to gun ownership that would reduce gun tragedies. I'd actually be in favor of that, but only if republicans do it and stay in power because I don't trust the gun agenda of the hard left. If they had their way, they'd take away as many legally owned guns as possible and leave the criminals alone.

On your other point, sure guns are more dangerous, but the usage level is irrelevant to whether I'm going to get killed or not "this afternoon" and how.

I would way rather make sure no one I come into contact with driving or crossing the street is drinking and driving than making sure they aren't running around with an AR15. There's little chance I'm going to run into some crazy looking to kill a random person like me with a gun, but I'm pretty sure there are quite a few neighborhood drunks. Good thing I can walk to the bar. :-)

[classhandicapper]

As for your strong support of McGovern, were you smoking too much hippie lettuce?

I was in the 4th or 5th grade. I didn't start that other stuff until later. ;)

[Parkview_Pirate]

....What exactly is the difference?

The difference is that the elites have pretty much maximized profits on guns via saturation, at least in the U.S., and now it's time to remove that "threat" of resistance from private citizens.

With booze, profits are steady and will grow with the stressful times ahead, and citizenry of pickled brains is easier to control.

Speaking of control, the optimistic residents of Oregon think they have a solution:

http://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/opponents-say-ore-initiative-to-ban-assault-rifles-explicitly-comes-for-your-guns/283-530640255

The proposal would outlaw any sale or possession of assault weapons in Oregon.

It defines "assault weapons" as any semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine, any feature like a folding or telescoping stock, and that can accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition.

“We recognize that there are perfectly legitimate uses of guns for self-protection and hunting that make a lot of sense,” said Rabbi Michael Z. Cahana of Congregation Beth Israel and one of petitioners.

“But assault weapons are not used for either of those purposes. Many of these weapons exist only for killing and do not belong in civilian hands.”

I wonder if the good rabbi had lived in 1930s Germany if his view might be a bit different. How quickly we forget the lessons of history.

Here's the link to the proposal.

https://www.scribd.com/document/374485605/Text-of-Oregon-Initiative-42

[bigjohna]

itwas 1972 nixon vs mc govern

[Inner Dirt]

itwas 1972 nixon vs mc govern

I meant Humphrey's ha,ha. I didn't get much sleep last night.

[Tom]

As for your strong support of McGovern, were you smoking too much hippie lettuce?

No, man, he was running against NIXON! :pout:

"Nixon's the One!"

Yes, he was......

I won't tell what my campaign button said.....:blush:

[Tom]

Watched a show on Columbine last night.
What seems to be forgotten is that aside from the guns, they brought two duffle bags full of bombs into the cafeteria, and had more in the car set to take out first responders live on TV.
Their incompetence at setting them is all that saved hundreds of lives.

What happens when a couple of smarter guys come along who are able to set a timer?

[Clocker]

Is our children learning? If not, it is because idiots like this are in charge of schools.

A school district in Pennsylvania is arming its students with rocks. That’s right. Rocks will be placed in every classroom so that students can defend themselves against a school shooter.

“Every classroom has been equipped with a five-gallon bucket of river stone. If an armed intruder attempts to gain entrance into any of our classrooms, they will face a classroom full students armed with rocks and they will be stoned,” said Dr. David Helsel.

That was Dr. Helsel testifying to the House Education Committee last week in Harrisburg.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/03/24/pa-superintendent-we-have-piles-of-rocks-for-students-to-use-to-stop-school-shoo-n2464271?utm_source=TopBreakingNewsCarousel&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=BreakingNewsCarousel

[Clocker]

What happens when a couple of smarter guys come along who are able to set a timer?

Not to worry. They wouldn't be public school students.

[johnhannibalsmith]

"...they will face a classroom full students armed with rocks and they will be stoned,”...

Sounds like a job for the pizza man.

[FantasticDan]

https://twitter.com/foxnewssunday/status/977894255871086593

[elysiantraveller]

https://twitter.com/foxnewssunday/status/977894255871086593

With the massive misinformation campaign how is this surprising?

Give it a week and people will forget about it again.

[Tom]

Dan must be stoned citing a FOX news poll......does this mean you will start to go by all of them, or just (shit) cherry-pick them? :lol:

The solution.....Let's Rock!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnoxKXkPqEE

[Lemon Drop Husker]

https://twitter.com/campusreform/status/977905252442787840?s=19

[chadk66]

If these regs are such a huge deal for the libs where were they when they held total control under Obama. This is nothing but election year fodder. Nothing more.

[Tom]

Democrats never solve problems.
they either create them or blame them on others.
A democrat NEVER takes responsibility for anything.

Ironic, if it weren't for democrats, we probably wouldn't need so many guns. :lol:

[Inner Dirt]

Democrats never solve problems.
they either create them or blame them on others.
A democrat NEVER takes responsibility for anything.

Ironic, if it weren't for democrats, we probably wouldn't need so many guns. :lol:

You forgot blaming them on inanimate objects also. On another forum I was blasted by Democrats when I dared mention personal responsibility.

[incoming]

Democrats never solve problems.
they either create them or blame them on others.
A democrat NEVER takes responsibility for anything.

Ironic, if it weren't for democrats, we probably wouldn't need so many guns. :lol:

Well...you nailed another one. My description...there is something missing ....especially in their logic.

.

[Clocker]

My description...there is something missing ....especially in their logic.

.

You mean the "logic" that gun control laws aren't working, so we need more gun control laws?

[Clocker]

And the stupidity just keeps on coming. According to the moonbats, we not only have a "gun show loophole" (there is no such thing), we also have an "ammo loophole".

The only loophole is in some Dem heads.

A pair of Democratic lawmakers are introducing legislation to require a background check for all firearm ammunition sales.

Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) and Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) said on Monday they had introduced the bill, known as the Ammunition Background Check Act of 2018, arguing it would help close a "loophole" in the current law.

"Ammunition sales should be subject to the same legal requirements as firearm sales, and that includes instant background checks. ... Closing this ludicrous loophole is a common-sense component of a comprehensive strategy to reduce gun violence," Blumenthal said.

Wasserman Schultz added that it is "common-sense legislation" that would close an "absurd loophole."


Hardly surprising that Debbie Dummy is behind this. If she ever had a rational thought, it would die of loneliness.

[incoming]

You mean the "logic" that gun control laws aren't working, so we need more gun control laws?

Clocker, you know law means nothing in their world. Neither the first or second amendment. If you need to place blame on anything but the person why blame the gun...I would be OK with putting the bullet in jail. In must cases it is the culprit.:lol:

[elysiantraveller]

And the stupidity just keeps on coming. According to the moonbats, we not only have a "gun show loophole" (there is no such thing), we also have an "ammo loophole".

The only loophole is in some Dem heads.

Hardly surprising that Debbie Dummy is behind this. If she ever had a rational thought, it would die of loneliness.

Wow... :rolleyes:

If they thought people shouldn't stockpile ammo before they'd be in for quite a shock after that happened. The potential to be wait-listed for rounds... hilarious.

Even in my seldom used calibers I'd keep a minimum of a few hundred around if that was the case.

[Clocker]

I would be OK with putting the bullet in jail. In must cases it is the culprit.:lol:

It looks like Debbie Dummy agrees with you. :rolleyes:

[Clocker]

If they thought people shouldn't stockpile ammo before they'd be in for quite a shock after that happened.

I haven't seen the details of the bill, but people that "think" like that would probably also want limits on the number of rounds you could buy at any time, and even a "cooling-off" period like some states have for gun purchases: buy it today and pick it up several days later.

[incoming]

It looks like Debbie Dummy agrees with you. :rolleyes:

I hope she knows Stormy:headbanger::)

[MONEY]

Democrats never solve problems.
they either create them or blame them on others.
A democrat NEVER takes responsibility for anything.

Ironic, if it weren't for democrats, we probably wouldn't need so many guns. :lol:

"Rev. Kenneth Sharpton Glasgow, the alleged half-brother of Rev. Al Sharpton, led a march against gun violence Saturday in Dothan, Alabama.

“Glasgow walked Dothan’s downtown streets Saturday shouting through a megaphone about bringing change to America’s gun laws,” WDHN reports.

The next night, Dothan police believe the ex-convict helped another man commit a drive-by shooting at the intersection of Lake Street and Allen Road. Glasgow, 52, was charged with capital murder alongside 26-year-old Jamie Townes, the alleged gunman, according to the Dothan Eagle."

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/cops-al-sharptons-half-brother-led-anti-gun-protest-then-committed-capital-murder/

[jocko699]

"Rev. Kenneth Sharpton Glasgow, the alleged half-brother of Rev. Al Sharpton, led a march against gun violence Saturday in Dothan, Alabama.

“Glasgow walked Dothan’s downtown streets Saturday shouting through a megaphone about bringing change to America’s gun laws,” WDHN reports.

The next night, Dothan police believe the ex-convict helped another man commit a drive-by shooting at the intersection of Lake Street and Allen Road. Glasgow, 52, was charged with capital murder alongside 26-year-old Jamie Townes, the alleged gunman, according to the Dothan Eagle."

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/cops-al-sharptons-half-brother-led-anti-gun-protest-then-committed-capital-murder/

Seems like a busy weekend

[RunForTheRoses]

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/5-stories-the-media-buried-while-obsessing-over-march-for-our-lives/

[PaceAdvantage]

So tell me, which one would that be?

These kids are smart and articulate.
They also have a very strong rallying cry.

Encouraging our youth to become active
in the electoral process is highly commendable.
Conservatives, however, may not agree.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZAeVs2VoAE0yOR.jpg:smallYou said the Republican party was rejected when Obama won and Dems took over Congress. That didn't last long either.

Then Trump won.

Are you ever going to get it right?

[Tom]

Except for the fact the the young generations is mostly too lazy to be counted on to actually go out and vote.

Marching for faux causes and dumping trash all over the streets
pretty much is all the little piggies have the energy to do.

[Clocker]

The dirty little secret is out. You guys know who you are, 'fess up.

According to an article published by the University of California-Berkeley,
...white males, especially conservatives, are more likely to embrace gun ownership than women or minorities due to economic frustration, "racial fears," and a desire to "regain their masculinity."



https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10708

[johnhannibalsmith]

The dirty little secret is out. You guys know who you are, 'fess up.

According to an article published by the University of California-Berkeley,




https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10708

I don't understand why women and minorities don't fret over finances or 'racial fears'.

[Tom]

What would anyone at Berkley know about masculinity?

[woodtoo]

"Rev. Kenneth Sharpton Glasgow, the alleged half-brother of Rev. Al Sharpton, led a march against gun violence Saturday in Dothan, Alabama.

“Glasgow walked Dothan’s downtown streets Saturday shouting through a megaphone about bringing change to America’s gun laws,” WDHN reports.

The next night, Dothan police believe the ex-convict helped another man commit a drive-by shooting at the intersection of Lake Street and Allen Road. Glasgow, 52, was charged with capital murder alongside 26-year-old Jamie Townes, the alleged gunman, according to the Dothan Eagle."

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/cops-al-sharptons-half-brother-led-anti-gun-protest-then-committed-capital-murder/

This is unbelievable but it is April 1st.:lol:

[PaceAdvantage]

I don't understand why women and minorities don't fret over finances or 'racial fears'.Women of all groups should be economically frustrated...we're told all the time how there is a war on them and how little they make compared to men.

I wonder how they handle such things, since we now know it's not by purchasing a firearm.

[Inner Dirt]

Except for the fact the the young generations is mostly too lazy to be counted on to actually go out and vote.

Marching for faux causes and dumping trash all over the streets
pretty much is all the little piggies have the energy to do.

None of my LIBERAL girlfriends 3 sons 20,23,25 have ever voted, claiming they are too busy, of course they all play video games 10+ hours a week.
She always votes and said she was disappointed in them. When she told me of her disappointment I said I am glad they stayed home as they are all Democrats.:lol:

[Mulerider]

I don't think he could have killed as many people if he would have only had a handgun or rifle, there is no need for a citizen to have a military assault rifle, if you feel you need one of those to protect yourself, you must be very scared of something, it seems like guns are more valued than the lives of children, nothing wrong with owning a gun to protect your home and family but that can be accomplished without the use of big guns that can kill many in a short amount of time. Other countries have had mass shootings but not even close to the rate of the U.S, what is the reason for that?

If, God forbid, some wacko walks into a classroom with a Remington pump shotgun loaded with #1 buckshot and starts firing -- 90 projectiles in less than 5 seconds -- and kills or maims 20 kids, would you want to ban duck guns as well?

[Inner Dirt]

If, God forbid, some wacko walks into a classroom with a Remington pump shotgun loaded with #1 buckshot and starts firing -- 90 projectiles in less than 5 seconds -- and kills or maims 20 kids, would you want to ban duck guns as well?


For some odd reason people are selecting an AR-15 or equivalent as a weapon of choice in a mass shooting when most of the time they give no advantage and can be somewhat of a disadvantage. A couple 9mm pistols one in each hand would wreck way more carnage than a rifle in close quarters and would be easier to conceal. Also for the uninformed anti gun liberal you can buy 32 round magazines for 9mm pistols for $24.95 all day long. Most anti gun liberals seem to think only an AR-15 can hold lots of bullets and also those bullets are magic, doing things other bullets don't.

[mrhorseplayer]

if youi tape the clips together you have an easier way to reload.

[mrhorseplayer]

None of my LIBERAL girlfriends 3 sons 20,23,25 have ever voted, claiming they are too busy, of course they all play video games 10+ hours a week.
She always votes and said she was disappointed in them. When she told me of her disappointment I said I am glad they stayed home as they are all Democrats.:lol:



:lol:

[elysiantraveller]

For some odd reason people are selecting an AR-15 or equivalent as a weapon of choice in a mass shooting when most of the time they give no advantage and can be somewhat of a disadvantage. A couple 9mm pistols one in each hand would wreck way more carnage than a rifle in close quarters and would be easier to conceal. Also for the uninformed anti gun liberal you can buy 32 round magazines for 9mm pistols for $24.95 all day long. Most anti gun liberals seem to think only an AR-15 can hold lots of bullets and also those bullets are magic, doing things other bullets don't.

Automatic Glock 18 with 100 Round Drum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuNqO6UBYX0

No FanDan, we can't personally own one....

[PaceAdvantage]

Most anti gun liberals seem to think only an AR-15 can hold lots of bullets and also those bullets are magic, doing things other bullets don't.The AR-15 is a more powerful weapon and does more damage though...there IS a difference...

[Tom]

AR-15s are only dangerous if they are not maintained properly.
You have to make sure there is not a loose nut on the trigger.

[woodtoo]

AR-15s are only dangerous if they are not maintained properly.
You have to make sure there is not a loose nut on the trigger.

This explains a lot. :ThmbUp::D

[Clocker]

The AR-15 is a more powerful weapon and does more damage though...there IS a difference...

There are many other rifles that fire the same ammo and can accept "hi-cap" magazines. One of the most popular is the Ruger Mini-14.

http://images.gunsinternational.com/listings_sub/acc_17825/gi_100842753/Ruger-Mini-14-Ranch-Rifle-223-REM_100842753_17825_53A397233AB4E430.jpg

The Ruger is largely ignored by gun grabbers because it doesn't look evil. It doesn't have a pistol grip or a bayonet mount or a folding stock, all defining features under the old assault weapons ban. For the most part, it is functionally equivalent to an AR-15.

[Inner Dirt]

The AR-15 is a more powerful weapon and does more damage though...there IS a difference...

Got any links to ballistic tests done on flesh or simulated flesh done by an unbiased source that proves that? I can't see how an AR-15 bullet with their typical design would do more damage at close range than a 9mm hollow point.
I understand the extra velocity from the extra powder, but with the bullet design wouldn't that just make for easier penetration and not blowing a bigger hole in something? I have shot quite a few things, but only items made from wood and metal, and a few rattlesnakes. I cannot image something .223 in diameter wrecking all the havoc claimed no matter how much powder is behind it unless flesh reacts way differently.

[PaceAdvantage]

There are many other rifles that fire the same ammo and can accept "hi-cap" magazines. One of the most popular is the Ruger Mini-14.

http://images.gunsinternational.com/listings_sub/acc_17825/gi_100842753/Ruger-Mini-14-Ranch-Rifle-223-REM_100842753_17825_53A397233AB4E430.jpg

The Ruger is largely ignored by gun grabbers because it doesn't look evil. It doesn't have a pistol grip or a bayonet mount or a folding stock, all defining features under the old assault weapons ban. For the most part, it is functionally equivalent to an AR-15.OK. But I was referring more to the handgun reference above.

[FantasticDan]

Automatic Glock 18 with 100 Round Drum.

No FanDan, we can't personally own one....

Awww! :(

One less weapon against the coming race war/zombie apocalypse/nursing home residents revolt. :mad:

[Clocker]

Got any links to ballistic tests done on flesh or simulated flesh done by an unbiased source that proves that? I can't see how an AR-15 bullet with their typical design would do more damage at close range than a 9mm hollow point.
I understand the extra velocity from the extra powder, but with the bullet design wouldn't that just make for easier penetration and not blowing a bigger hole in something? I have shot quite a few things, but only items made from wood and metal, and a few rattlesnakes. I cannot image something .223 in diameter wrecking all the havoc claimed no matter how much powder is behind it unless flesh reacts way differently.

The bullet from an AR-15 differs a lot from a 9mm. Because it is longer and more pointed, with most of its weight in the rear, it tends to tumble when it hits soft tissue. This effect creates a larger wound relative to its size. It also tends to fragment, creating multiple wound paths.

[elysiantraveller]

Bullet design and caliber are what's important. A partition varmint round out of an AR is going to fragment and blow to hell inside of a person even at pretty short ranges. NATO green tip with its steel core penetrator is probably just gonna leave a hole about the size of a pencil straight through... not ideal.

Caliber wise here is a good image. That 9mm is going to be performing the same as that 5.56 (.223) at short ranges. Beyond that things change. It's important to denote caliber though instead of gun type. I have an AR in the second round pictured the .450... that's a really bad day for a person regardless of distance.

https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/ammosquared/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/04194004/556-NATO-vs-450-bush-vs-45acp-vs-9mm.png

[Clocker]

The "Parkland Three" (Camera Hogg and his friends) are credited with record gun sales in March.

Well, if there’s one thing the Parkland Three—Cameron Kasky, Emma Gonzalez, David Hogg—March for Our Lives, and the anti-gun Left can take credit for, it’s the record number of firearms sales that occurred in March. In fact, it’s an all-time high for the month of March; over 2.7 million guns were sold.

I think for now, the gun industry should give these kids a gift basket for giving the firearms industry a shot to the arm. The first vestiges of this were already circling after the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in February. A gun show in Tampa, Florida saw record attendance,with 7,000 people lining up after CNN hosted that kangaroo court-style town hall event where the most liberal of Floridians decided to take their swipes at the GOP, the NRA, conservatives, and gun owners.https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/04/03/the-gun-industry-should-send-parkland-three-a-gift-basket-for-record-firearms-sal-n2467379

[mrhorseplayer]

yes calibers are important cause the ar-15 comes in several different calibers.

[upthecreek]

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/981886101140004864

[JustRalph]

The other side is starting to get some traction

[barahona44]

New England Patriots wide receiver Julian Edelman helped prevent a potential school shooting in Port Huron, Michigan based on a message a 14 year old boy left on Edelman'a Instagram page.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2018/04/julian_edelman_helps_close_in_on_michigan_school_t hreat

[upthecreek]

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/982232508782686214

[chadk66]

had a very interesting discussion with my anti gun aunt the other day. she was insisting I explain to her why I felt it necessary to own AR's. It was really easy to explain this and left her rather speechless. We all know this so I won't bore you with the details. But I also told her something that left her angry, confused, mortified, puzzled, or who knows what else. I told her if I was locked up in a class room with an active shooter I would rather he was shooting an AR rather than a shotgun or a large caliber handgun. When I explained to her you had at least an outside chance at surviving after being shot with an AR while waiting for the situation to subside vs being shot with a shotgun or large caliber handgun. Of course she figured I was full of crap until I explained it to her. I basically told her these people are going to commit these shootings with or without an AR so you should be glad they're choosing the AR over the other two.

[upthecreek]

https://twitter.com/DSanchez1669/status/982251805999448065

[JustRalph]

had a very interesting discussion with my anti gun aunt the other day. she was insisting I explain to her why I felt it necessary to own AR's. It was really easy to explain this and left her rather speechless. We all know this so I won't bore you with the details. But I also told her something that left her angry, confused, mortified, puzzled, or who knows what else. I told her if I was locked up in a class room with an active shooter I would rather he was shooting an AR rather than a shotgun or a large caliber handgun. When I explained to her you had at least an outside chance at surviving after being shot with an AR while waiting for the situation to subside vs being shot with a shotgun or large caliber handgun. Of course she figured I was full of crap until I explained it to her. I basically told her these people are going to commit these shootings with or without an AR so you should be glad they're choosing the AR over the other two.

That’s why I hope they keep focusing on AR type weapons. A high quality semi auto shotgun will do much more damage and is a much more appropriate weapon if you’re a school shooter. These idiot kids buy the gun they think looks meanest and in reality they are buying a weapon that’s ill suited for their task.

The different types of ammo available for the shotgun make it very versatile too

[chadk66]

That’s why I hope they keep focusing on AR type weapons. A high quality semi auto shotgun will do much more damage and is a much more appropriate weapon if you’re a school shooter. These idiot kids buy the gun they think looks meanest and in reality they are buying a weapon that’s ill suited for their task.

The different types of ammo available for the shotgun make it very versatile too
I could not imagine getting shot with #4 buckshot or bigger. If AR's were pink we wouldn't even be talking about them.

Here is a little story about Buckshot in a sawed off shotgun. I grew up in northwest ND. We hunted all fall and throughout the winter. In winter it was for fox and coyotes. My dad and his buddies hit the country on snowmobile most weekends. He had a cheep sawed off single shot 12 ga. shotgun on a sling he used running around on the snowmobile looking for yotes. When he kicked one up he would run up beside it with the sled and whip the shotgun out and shoot it with #4 buckshot.

Well in 1976 we built a new house. Moved in around thanksgiving. Well mom decided she had to have christmas in the new house. After supper My two cousins and I escaped to the basement to get away from all the people. We still had lots of boxes sitting down there that hadn't been opened from the move. On the opposite end of the basement there were some old cabinets that we were going to use to make a little workshop down there. I went down there and jumped up on the cabinets and was siting there talking to my cousins. The one cousin was rummaging around by the boxes and damned if he didn't pick up the shotgun I was talking about. (gun cabinet was full lol). Anyway he had never been around guns. He picked it up and was kind of waving it around. I was ten years old he was probably 12 or 13. I had been hunting already for a few years so this made me kind of nervous that he was doing this so I jumped off to go down there and take it away from him. Soon as my feet his the floor the gun went off. All I was was him getting plastered up against the concrete wall and wood raining down on my head lol. And the sound of about a dozen adults running down the stairs:pound: Once the reprimands ended I was looking at the floor joists right above my head. 2x10 floor joists and he had taken a half moon shaped piece out of the first joist, blew a hole the size of a soft ball through the middle of the second one and all the BB's were stuck in the third one. You would have zero chance of survival being hit with that load at 30'.

[Inner Dirt]

Anyway he had never been around guns. He picked it up and was kind of waving it around. I was ten years old he was probably 12 or 13. I had been hunting already for a few years so this made me kind of nervous that he was doing this so I jumped off to go down there and take it away from him. Soon as my feet his the floor the gun went off. All I was was him getting plastered up against the concrete wall and wood raining down on my head lol. And the sound of about a dozen adults running down the stairs:pound: Once the reprimands ended I was looking at the floor joists right above my head. 2x10 floor joists and he had taken a half moon shaped piece out of the first joist, blew a hole the size of a soft ball through the middle of the second one and all the BB's were stuck in the third one. You would have zero chance of survival being hit with that load at 30'.

Glad no one was hurt. I first shot a .22 rifle when I was 7, grew up around cops. All kids were taught at a very young age not to handle a gun without adult supervision. If you even stumble across a gun while out and about exploring the land you were not to touch it and go get a trusted adult.

That kid would have been punished pretty severely for that if he had grown up among my family and friends.

[Clocker]

A U.S. judge in Boston has rejected challenges to a state law banning "assault weapons". The judge ruled that "The AR-15 and its analogs, along with large capacity magazines, are simply not weapons within the original meaning of the individual constitutional right to ‘bear arms’".

“Yet the AR-15’s present-day popularity is not constitutionally material,” Young wrote. “This is because the words of our Constitution are not mutable. They mean the same today as they did 227 years ago when the Second Amendment was adopted.” By that reasoning, revolvers are not protected, let alone semi-automatic hand guns.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-guns-massachusetts/u-s-judge-upholds-massachusetts-assault-weapons-ban-idUSKCN1HD2CW

[Tom]

Another idiot on the bench.
By this dolt's reasoning. freedom of speech does not extend to videos, social media, anything electronic...........

We need to put limits on ANY judge's term with mandatory annual mental examinations.

[Clocker]

Another idiot on the bench.
By this dolt's reasoning. freedom of speech does not extend to videos, social media, anything electronic...........

We need to put limits on ANY judge's term with mandatory annual mental examinations.

This guy was appointed by Reagan. Maybe an early indication of Reagan's later mental decline.

His ruling is in direct opposition to the SCOTUS ruling in "D.C. vs Heller", which said that the 2nd Amendment applies to weapons in common use for lawful purposes.

SCOTUS has not accepted any gun control cases for review in some time. Maybe this one will stir them up.

[barahona44]

A U.S. judge in Boston has rejected challenges to a state law banning "assault weapons". The judge ruled that "The AR-15 and its analogs, along with large capacity magazines, are simply not weapons within the original meaning of the individual constitutional right to ‘bear arms’".

By that reasoning, revolvers are not protected, let alone semi-automatic hand guns.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-guns-massachusetts/u-s-judge-upholds-massachusetts-assault-weapons-ban-idUSKCN1HD2CW

I have some 2nd Amendment protected muskets I'm willing to let go for a reasonable price.Used by Ethan Allen and the Green Mountain Boys when they captured Fort Ticonderoga! :D

[Tom]

This guy was appointed by Reagan. Maybe an early indication of Reagan's later mental decline.


Hence the requirement of a yearly mental check.
No one can remain a judge for very long before they get too used the robes and the "your honor" BS.
I'm for calling them, in court, HEY ASSHOLE!

Keep it real.

[chadk66]

the judge will be overturned I'm sure.

[Clocker]

the judge will be overturned I'm sure.

It has to get to the Supreme Court before it can be overturned, and SCOTUS is declining to hear appeals of such cases lately.

The Supreme Court declined to hear two gun-rights cases on Monday, continuing a trend of refusing such cases going back several years.

The Court decided not to take up either Kolbe v. Hogan or Norman v. Florida in their latest order list. The two cases represent challenges to Maryland and Florida's gun-control laws. Kolbe challenged the constitutionality of Maryland's ban on certain semi-automatic rifles and handguns. Norman challenged Florida's ban on the open carry of firearms in public.

The gun laws in both cases were upheld in lower courts. The Supreme Court's decision not to take up either case means the lower court rulings and the laws will remain in place.

The Court's reluctance to take up gun-rights cases in recent years has left gun-rights activists and even some members of the Court frustrated. When the Court refused to hear Peruta v. California, a challenge to California's restrictive gun-carry laws, Justice Gorsuch and Justice Thomas filed a dissent.
http://freebeacon.com/issues/supreme-court-declines-hear-gun-rights-cases/

[JustRalph]

I have some 2nd Amendment protected muskets I'm willing to let go for a reasonable price.Used by Ethan Allen and the Green Mountain Boys when they captured Fort Ticonderoga! :D

My wife from Vermont would bid.......

One of our many stops......Ft. Ticonderoga.......the Green Mountain Boys are sacred to her

[upthecreek]

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/982933478655356929

[JustRalph]

South Carolina introduced a bill this week that would call for succession if the Feds started taking guns......


It won’t go anywhere......yet

[chadk66]

It has to get to the Supreme Court before it can be overturned, and SCOTUS is declining to hear appeals of such cases lately.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/supreme-court-declines-hear-gun-rights-cases/
I think they will eventually have to

[Tom]

When will they get to it?
Those damn Supremes just keep us hangin on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phhwkbD1E2c

[upthecreek]

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/983719987461414915

[Clocker]

The truth hurts!

https://i2.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2018/04/AK-47.jpeg?resize=580%2C302

[Clocker]

A sign of the times.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/IMG_0033.jpg

[upthecreek]

https://twitter.com/GrizzleMeister/status/989215992344727552

[Clocker]

The NRA and the California Rifle and Pistol Association are suing the state over a new law limiting residents to purchasing ammo only from in-state vendors. Any ammo ordered online must be delivered to a licensed gun dealer, who will charge a handling fee.

The suit also addresses a new law to become effective on 1/1/19 requiring a background check on every purchase of ammo.


http://www.breitbart.com/california/2018/04/27/nra-sues-california-ammunition-controls/

[FantasticDan]

Huh! :bang:

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/991464283396440064

[Dahoss2002]

A sign of the times.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/IMG_0033.jpg

The truth hurts!

https://i2.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2018/04/AK-47.jpeg?resize=580%2C302

https://twitter.com/GrizzleMeister/status/989215992344727552

:ThmbUp:That is 3 posts with some good stuff. Think I need to renew my NRA membership for another 5 years:headbanger:

[upthecreek]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/05/01/pro-second-amendment-students-plan-school-walkouts/571445002/

[JustRalph]

Huh! :bang:

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/991464283396440064

Good!

[FantasticDan]

Good!
Why is it good?

[Tom]

Coffee is bad for you. :coffee:

[JustRalph]

Why is it good?

Because they are exercising their rights!

Good for them!

[FantasticDan]

Because they are exercising their rights!
Good for them!
Who is they?

[upthecreek]

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/992450450216636416

[davew]

mass shooting/suicide in Australia - where did they get a gun?

[Clocker]

A bad guy with a gun is stopped by a good gal with a gun.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYo7QM9ZbQM




The lady is an off-duty military cop. The alleged perpetrator later expired.

[elysiantraveller]

A bad guy with a gun is stopped by a good gal with a gun....

Cool as a cucumber.

[chadk66]

Cool as a cucumber.I'm guessing she's spent some time at the range:headbanger:

[Tom]

A bad guy with a gun is stopped by a good gal with a gun.



The lady is an off-duty military cop. The alleged perpetrator later expired.

THAT is why we have a second amendment.
Kudos to Annie Oakley! :ThmbUp::ThmbUp::ThmbUp:

[Inner Dirt]

She should get a nice gift card for all the money she saved the taxpayers for trial and imprisonment. Tipsters can get money for information that saves law enforcement time and money, she saved the taxpayer a bundle.

[woodtoo]

Noticed the # on his sweater, 13.

[FantasticDan]

https://twitter.com/senblumenthal/status/1022242730376929286

https://twitter.com/khou/status/1021918023324708864

https://twitter.com/momsdemand/status/1022501906399326210

[Marshall Bennett]

Hey Dan....bang bang bang !!!
Could you hear me from your location, Dan?

[Tom]

So Danny, how do you propose to control 3D printing of guns?
Outlaw 3D printers? :pound::pound::pound:

[FantasticDan]

So Danny, how do you propose to control 3D printing of guns? Outlaw 3D printers? :pound::pound::pound:
Funny, isn't it? Untraceable gun, metal detector useless in detecting it (or the plastic bullets)..

SO FUNNY :ThmbUp:

[JustRalph]

Can’t wait until perfect this.

As soon as someone comes up with a new design it becomes “free speech”. 👍

[Inner Dirt]

Only an anti-gun person who knows nothing about guns would be foolish enough to fire a gun made on a 3D printer.

[Tom]

Funny, isn't it? Untraceable gun, metal detector useless in detecting it (or the plastic bullets)..

SO FUNNY :ThmbUp:

As we have saying all along, it is not the gun , it is the person.
Welcome to the 21st century, and all the technology that comes with it.
Maybe we make them put a 5 day pause in the print button circuitry.

So I am still asking - what do YOU think we should do about it?

[Inner Dirt]

Funny, isn't it? Untraceable gun, metal detector useless in detecting it (or the plastic bullets)..

SO FUNNY :ThmbUp:


How about you and your pro more gun law buddies try doing some research before posting nonsense like the above. I belong to a manufacturing forum where I am sure someone has the means and skill to print a 3D gun. I will pay to have it made and send it to you if you promise to gather as many anti-gun liberals as you can and pay to rent the whole range and start shooting it. Please have someone film you. Funny how people with no knowledge of subjects take a similar person's word and run with it.

[woodtoo]

How about you and your pro more gun law buddies try doing some research before posting nonsense like the above. I belong to a manufacturing forum where I am sure someone has the means and skill to print a 3D gun. I will pay to have it made and send it to you if you promise to gather as many anti-gun liberals as you can and pay to rent the whole range and start shooting it. Please have someone film you. Funny how people with no knowledge of subjects take a similar person's word and run with it.

Are you implying something could go wrong on the firing range?

[Inner Dirt]

How about you and your pro more gun law buddies try doing some research before posting nonsense like the above. I belong to a manufacturing forum where I am sure someone has the means and skill to print a 3D gun. I will pay to have it made and send it to you if you promise to gather as many anti-gun liberals as you can and pay to rent the whole range and start shooting it. Please have someone film you. Funny how people with no knowledge of subjects take a similar person's word and run with it.

Are you implying something could go wrong on the firing range?


At the current state of technology 3D printers are only suitable for prototypes and components that are not subject to stress, even the powdered metal versions. On top of that Dan was referencing a gun 3D printed out of plastic.:lol::lol::lol:

[FantasticDan]

Are you implying something could go wrong on the firing range?Evidently he's implying that they don't work? :confused:

Maybe he'll elaborate. :p

[woodtoo]

Evidently he's implying that they don't work? :confused:

Maybe he'll elaborate. :p

I'm wasting no more money on my 3-D printer then.:D

[FantasticDan]

So I am still asking - what do YOU think we should do about it?I really don't know. But I do know it's not a good idea to let people have access to unregistered, untraceable, and undetectable firearms.

Right?

[elysiantraveller]

I'm not shooting one.

[Ocala Mike]

I won't shoot one without wearing these: https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/side-view-pair-3d-glasses-isolated-148965107?src=RNi8hVln_EIsJdPyIkt-Ng-1-1

[JustRalph]

They will get it perfected. It will be easy to figure out once the shooting starts.

[elysiantraveller]

They will get it perfected. It will be easy to figure out once the shooting starts.

I'm sure they can be made to a reasonable amount of safety but stuff like ambient temperature and things like that will play a huge role in that.

Even steel barrels toss rounds differently depending on temperature and we know how brittle plastic can behave in subfreezing conditions.

It's still pretty neat though.

[Inner Dirt]

Evidently he's implying that they don't work? :confused:

Maybe he'll elaborate. :p


It will kind of work, ONCE. Currently even the 3D printer capable of printing with powdered metal produces an item incapable of tolerating any measurable stress. A bullet is actually larger than the gun barrel, when fired the bullet expands into the voids left by the rifling so it can pass through. A 3D printed barrel would not tolerate that stress and either fly apart or peel away like a peeled banana. The barrel coming apart will send a low velocity bullet that could go anywhere. The safest place to stand around someone shooting a 3D printed gun would probably be a few feet directly in front of it.

[FantasticDan]

It will kind of work, ONCE. Currently even the 3D printer capable of printing with powdered metal produces an item incapable of tolerating any measurable stress. A bullet is actually larger than the gun barrel, when fired the bullet expands into the voids left by the rifling so it can pass through. A 3D printed barrel would not tolerate that stress and either fly apart or peel away like a peeled banana. The barrel coming apart will send a low velocity bullet that could go anywhere. The safest place to stand around someone shooting a 3D printed gun would probably be a few feet directly in front of it.
I appreciate your knowledge on the topic. :ThmbUp:

But as Ralph says, probably sooner than later they'll see advances in functionality.

[Inner Dirt]

It will kind of work, ONCE. Currently even the 3D printer capable of printing with powdered metal produces an item incapable of tolerating any measurable stress. A bullet is actually larger than the gun barrel, when fired the bullet expands into the voids left by the rifling so it can pass through. A 3D printed barrel would not tolerate that stress and either fly apart or peel away like a peeled banana. The barrel coming apart will send a low velocity bullet that could go anywhere. The safest place to stand around someone shooting a 3D printed gun would probably be a few feet directly in front of it.

I appreciate your knowledge on the topic. :ThmbUp:

But as Ralph says, probably sooner than later they'll see advances in functionality.


Then do me a favor and tell people to stop spreading misleading information about guns.


As for advances, I am sure there will be some, although the process will always have limitations, due to the physics of metallurgy. What you have is a method that isn't even as strong as casting. Anyone with even a simple knowledge of tools knows a forged tool is stronger that a cast one and one machined from solid (How they make real modern guns) is stronger than that.
I think the limitation for 3D printing a gun barrel that could be somewhat durable would be one for a shotgun or a muzzle loader (where the bullet will roll down the barrel).

[Clocker]

I think the limitation for 3D printing a gun barrel that could be somewhat durable would be one for a shotgun or a muzzle loader (where the bullet will roll down the barrel).


Which still leaves you with metallic cartridges and bullets that will set off a metal detector.

[Inner Dirt]

I think the limitation for 3D printing a gun barrel that could be somewhat durable would be one for a shotgun or a muzzle loader (where the bullet will roll down the barrel).

Which still leaves you with metallic cartridges and bullets that will set off a metal detector.


The 3D printed gun I was referring to is the powdered metal version. I don't think the 3D printed plastic version would ever even be suitable for a musket or shotgun. Even if you could use an expensive high strength heat tolerant plastic like peek I am sure the heat of the muzzle blast would far exceed the rating of the plastic. All plastics I have machined and there are too many to list expand and contract quite a bit just from a variance of 50 degrees. I would hate to see what the heat variation from a muzzle blast would do. Best case scenario the barrel leaves with the bullet or just catches on fire.

[Tom]

I really don't know. But I do know it's not a good idea to let people have access to unregistered, untraceable, and undetectable firearms.

Right?

Depends on the people.
Just having access to them doesn NOT make them potential mass shooters.

Who ya gonna call?
Technology just opened a door you can't close.

[Tom]

I'm wasting no more money on my 3-D printer then.:D

I've heard you can 3D print CHOCOLATE! :p:p:p

[Tom]

I'm sure they can be made to a reasonable amount of safety but stuff like ambient temperature and things like that will play a huge role in that.

Even steel barrels toss rounds differently depending on temperature and we know how brittle plastic can behave in subfreezing conditions.

It's still pretty neat though.
OK, then, instead of gun-free zones, we will establish HEAT FREE zones.
Crank up the AC in public places and we will be cool!

[Tom]

Which still leaves you with metallic cartridges and bullets that will set off a metal detector.

Why not plastic bullets?

[elysiantraveller]

Why not plastic bullets?

Inners post summed up the actual issues of a plastic gun with the heat and pressures apply to the bullets as well.

Plastic is a terrible at transferring energy as well. It doesn't have the density.

These 3d guns are cool but in terms of practicality... not so much.

[Tom]

For now......

[elysiantraveller]

For now......

I'm sure advances could be made but plastic just isn't that dense. It's good at absorbing energy not transferring.

Why bullets are made out of metal/lead and body armor is made out of plastic.

Anything's possible but super expensive and labor intensive bullets doesn't make a buncha sense for a CTRL-P gun. ;)

I would think some subsonic rounds would be a requirement for a plastic gun.

[elysiantraveller]

I guess you could use something like ceramic barrel sleeves but cost would be massive and when they went it would be catastrophic.

The plastic bullet thing though is highlighted by airsoft guns. They shoot roughly the same size as your Red Rider BB gun. The airsoft bullet weighs .2gr and the Red Rider about 4.25gr. Both travel at close to the same speed... airsoft is actually about 20-30% faster.

Now go shoot yourself with both and see what happens....

^^^ Just kidding... don't do that.

[hcap]

It will kind of work, ONCE. Currently even the 3D printer capable of printing with powdered metal produces an item incapable of tolerating any measurable stress. A bullet is actually larger than the gun barrel, when fired the bullet expands into the voids left by the rifling so it can pass through. A 3D printed barrel would not tolerate that stress and either fly apart or peel away like a peeled banana. The barrel coming apart will send a low velocity bullet that could go anywhere. The safest place to stand around someone shooting a 3D printed gun would probably be a few feet directly in front of it.I hold 2 US patents. I can tell you sometimes the way around "limitations" is to think differently. Without thoroughly investigating the patent art, the first thing that comes to mind is to accept tradeoffs in the standard performance of the usual.

Tom is right.

Re-design the bullets out of a softer material. Plastics. Tensile strength is the issue in the barrel, but to get a lump of poly carbonate or similar to spin at relatively high velocity, seems like the simpler problem.

So Dan is correct. Will still maim and kill, but not to perfection. Will be more undetectable, and perhaps easier to produce.

.314 Atlas A softer metal. Mmachined from 1018 cold rolled steel.(low carbon steel)

https://mikescustomweaponry.wordpress.com/2014/11/05/314-atlas/

https://gizmodo.com/plastic-3d-printed-guns-just-got-ammo-that-actually-wor-1654929202

[elysiantraveller]

I hold 2 US patents. I can tell you sometimes the way around "limitations" is to think differently. Without thoroughly investigating the patent art, the first thing that comes to mind is to accept tradeoffs in the standard performance of the usual.

Tom is right.

Re-design the bullets out of a softer material. Plastics. Tensile strength is the issue in the barrel, but to get a lump of poly carbonate or similar to spin at relatively high velocity, seems like the simpler problem.

So Dan is correct. Will still maim and kill, but not to perfection. Will be more undetectable, and perhaps easier to produce.

.314 Atlas A softer metal. Mmachined from 1018 cold rolled steel.(low carbon steel)

https://mikescustomweaponry.wordpress.com/2014/11/05/314-atlas/

https://gizmodo.com/plastic-3d-printed-guns-just-got-ammo-that-actually-wor-1654929202

Your issue is density, inertia, and energy.

Sure is possible to throw plastic fast enough to offset those problems but that just requires more propellant and pressure then becomes the enemy.

It's interesting and in sure there would be sweet spots for performance within the allowable tolerances... sounds like something more for hobbyists or engineers though and much less a practical way of causing harm to anything.

[hcap]

Your issue is density, inertia, and energy.

Sure is possible to throw plastic fast enough to offset those problems but that just requires more propellant and pressure then becomes the enemy.

It's interesting and in sure there would be sweet spots for performance within the allowable tolerances... sounds like something more for hobbyists or engineers though and much less a practical way of causing harm to anything.I admit I am not a gun person and only looked at the problem from an engineering point of view. Gun enthusiasts are naturally looking for a very "close" approximation. I suspect eventually, but only a rough one is available now or soon.

However if the costs and manufacturing skills are lessened, these plastic weapons will be used on a more widespread basis.

Technology like cell phones and computers are rapidly taken up by kids, usually quicker then their parents. Regulations will be tougher to enforce.

Technology advances faster than anticipated. A double edged sword. These 3D "printers" were basically unknown 10 years ago. Although some large concerns used "Stereolithography" (SLA), since the 1980s's,. called Rapid Prototyping (RP) technologies, their offshoots flourish today.

Give the technology another 10 years and my guess is almost anything including high muzzle velocity weapons will arrive.
Originally used (https://www.allmetalsfab.com/3d-printings-impact-on-the-metal-fabrication-industry/)with plastics and polymers, recent innovations include a type of 3D metal printing as an additive process that uses a laser beam to melt micron layers of metal powder

[Tom]

I'm just smiling thinking that every time Danny passes a Kinko's he is going to be sweating and walking faster~!:pound:

[elysiantraveller]

I admit I am not a gun person and only looked at the problem from an engineering point of view. Gun enthusiasts are naturally looking for a very "close" approximation. I suspect eventually, but only a rough one is available now or soon.

However if the costs and manufacturing skills are lessened, these plastic weapons will be used on a more widespread basis.

Technology like cell phones and computers are rapidly taken up by kids, usually quicker then their parents. Regulations will be tougher to enforce.

Technology advances faster than anticipated. A double edged sword. These 3D "printers" were basically unknown 10 years ago. Although some large concerns used "Stereolithography" (SLA), since the 1980s's,. called Rapid Prototyping (RP) technologies, their offshoots flourish today.

Give the technology another 10 years and my guess is almost anything including high muzzle velocity weapons will arrive.

Yeah I've heard metal printers exist. At that point though you're basically just running a CNC machine are you not?

I think you could make cool things and it seems like an interesting endeavor to "perfect" the 3D printed gun.

Like I said though the materials are what limits the function. Possible? Yes. Practical? No.

[hcap]

Yeah I've heard metal printers exist. At that point though you're basically just running a CNC machine are you not?

I think you could make cool things and it seems like an interesting endeavor to "perfect" the 3D printed gun.

Like I said though the materials are what limits the function. Possible? Yes. Practical? No.CNCs remove material with a cutting tool mounted on an XYZ automated head. Or a laser mounted scanning tool, again removing material from the blank.

3D printers "add" material in successive layers. Obviously plastic is way easier than metal. As you can see from the link, metal 3D printing is here and an active field. Will not be practical until the costs come down. No teenagers fooling around in their basement for a while.

BTW, one of my patents is a non-mechanical aiming laser scanner, able to position the cutting end of a laser along an XYZ grid. Unfortunately we found some theoretical problems preventing full practical implementation, and would up "staking out" limited claims in our patent, and assigned it awaiting those problems to be solved. More complicated than anticipated, but became familiar with some of the technology.

[Inner Dirt]

CNCs remove material with a cutting tool mounted on an XYZ automated head. Or a laser mounted scanning tool, again removing material from the blank.

3D printers "add" material in successive layers. Obviously plastic is way easier than metal. As you can see from the link, metal 3D printing is here and an active field. Will not be practical until the costs come down. No teenagers fooling around in their basement for a while.

BTW, one of my patents is a non-mechanical aiming laser scanner, able to position the cutting end of a laser along an XYZ grid. Unfortunately we found some theoretical problems preventing full practical implementation, and would up "staking out" limited claims in our patent, and assigned it awaiting those problems to be solved. More complicated than anticipated, but became familiar with some of the technology.




You once again are talking out your ass. You have the way the 3D printer works explained correctly but your description of a CNC is wrong. CNC stands for and everyone can look it up, Computer Numerical Control. A 3D printer is a CNC. Also there are boat loads of CNC cutting machines that don't have an XYZ head on them. One of the most popular, the Vertical Machining Center has a head that only moves on the Z axis. On CNC Lathes unless they are Swiss type, the headstock does not move on the Z-axis at all.

[hcap]

You once again are talking out your ass. You have the way the 3D printer works explained correctly but your description of a CNC is wrong. CNC stands for and everyone can look it up, Computer Numerical Control. A 3D printer is a CNC. Also there are boat loads of CNC cutting machines that don't have an XYZ head on them. One of the most popular, the Vertical Machining Center has a head that only moves on the Z axis. On CNC Lathes unless they are Swiss type, the headstock does not move on the Z-axis at all.
You again?

3D printers that are additive use computers. And math. So what? Do you honestly think you could crank a few hand wheels and do anything precisely manually on a 3D printer? Especially not being able to count past any number greater than all your fingers and toes?
Computer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerical_control)numerical control (CNC) is the automation of machine tools by means of computers executing pre-programmed sequences of machine control commands. This is in contrast to machines that are manually controlled by hand wheels or levers, or mechanically automated by cams alone.XYZ are simply the 3 spatial dimensions. Not all machines can do all 3 So what? Maybe you could work manually in 4? or 5? You seem kinda spaced out Einstein.
My point was CNCs remove material and 3D printers add material. Yes you could label 3D printers CNCs but hardly anyone does. So what?

[Inner Dirt]

Hcap, You defined CNC incorrectly, anyone can Google it to see you are WRONG. Stop deflecting and trying to change the subject, it is just proof how much you talk out your ass. That was my only point.

[hcap]

Hcap, You defined CNC incorrectly, anyone can Google it to see you are WRONG. Stop deflecting and trying to change the subject, it is just proof how much you talk out your ass. That was my only point.I did....
What is incorrect? Schmuck?

Computer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerical_control) numerical control (CNC) is the automation of machine tools by means of computers executing pre-programmed sequences of machine control commands. This is in contrast to machines that are manually controlled by hand wheels or levers, or mechanically automated by cams alone.

[Inner Dirt]

CNCs remove material with a cutting tool mounted on an XYZ automated head. Or a laser mounted scanning tool, again removing material from the blank.
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This is incorrect, WTF is wrong with you? Instead of saying "Whoops I was wrong" you attack the person that points out your mistakes. You are as delusional as the day is long.

[Inner Dirt]

Hcap, where did you post that CNC control explanation you just quoted? I also notice you can never seem to use your own words when explaining anything, it is always copy and paste. Do you have any original thoughts?

[hcap]

Hcap, where did you post that CNC control explanation you just quoted? I also notice you can never seem to use your own words when explaining anything, it is always copy and paste. Do you have any original thoughts?
Today 01:32 PM

I think your anger is getting to you. The quote directly below is from post #727
The word COMPUTER is linked to Wiki


Computer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerical_control) numerical control (CNC) is the automation of machine tools by means of computers executing pre-programmed sequences of machine control commands. This is in contrast to machines that are manually controlled by hand wheels or levers, or mechanically automated by cams alone.



This is exactly the same paragraph I posted #729 Where I asked what is wrong.
Again the word COMPUTER is linked to to the same Wiki page


Computer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerical_control)numerical control (CNC) is the automation of machine tools by means of computers executing pre-programmed sequences of machine control commands. This is in contrast to machines that are manually controlled by hand wheels or levers, or mechanically automated by cams alone.

Post #720, 722, and #725 are in my words.
Suggestion: Why don't you calm down?

[hcap]

I.D.

I only added to this discussion from an engineering point off view.
We have similar backgrounds. I may have more knowledge from the theoretical. I added to your post in #720 only to expand on how to deal with new possibilities.

I said "Tom is right Re-design the bullets out of a softer material. Plastics"

[Tom]

I said "Tom is right

I will save this as a memento, thank you. :headbanger:

[hcap]

I will save this as a memento, thank you. :headbanger:Surprised it took you so long.:lol:

[Inner Dirt]

I may have more knowledge from the theoretical.


That explains why you are so annoying.



Not knowing any better every once in a while I go round and round with electrical engineers on a manufacturing form that answer questions from a theoretical point of view on something they have never tried. They tell people they cannot do something that I have done myself with no issues. A common one is the issue how far one can exceed nameplate voltages on 3 phase AC spindle motors on manual machines and how unbalanced the voltages can be.


Picking a hypothetical example someone will post their phase converter produces voltages across phases of 252-236-240. They have a manual mill with a 2hp motor that has a voltage requirement of 220 +/- 10% listed in the instruction manual. They will ask if those voltages will work. A retired electrical engineer who hangs out in the electrical threads will respond with formulas on how to balance the voltages with capacitors, and then send a link to an expensive transformer capable of almost perfect voltages.


I tell the guy the mill will be fine as I have used worse voltages than that on manual equipment that has been used daily for over 20 years and the only time I lost a spindle motor was when a helper stalled the motor wrapping a rag around it when it was in a cut.


Of course Mr. Electrical Engineer comes back with more formulas explaining those voltages will kill a motor after only 40.53 hours of use. Of course never in his life has he ever tried any of his theories to prove them out, yet he will be adamant he is correct and start reciting all his qualifications.

Sometimes it works on paper, but not in real life, and other times the opposite is true.


Of course I would not recommend applying severely unbalanced out of range voltages to a 3 phase CNC of any type.


For those who haven't heard of them and I even have known electricians that never dealt with them a phase converter makes 3 phase power from single phase. They are used where 3 phase power is unavailable or too expensive.

[hcap]

Quote:

I may have more knowledge from the theoretical.

That explains why you are so annoying.
I said may. Your hyper sensitivity is what is annoying.
Ok, if it makes you feel better, yes you are theoretically smarter than I am

.:sleeping::sleeping::sleeping:

[Inner Dirt]

I said may. Your hyper sensitivity is what is annoying.
Ok, if it makes you feel better, yes you are theoretically smarter than I am

.:sleeping::sleeping::sleeping:




I am only hyper sensitive when people dish it out and cannot take it. You are the poster child for that problem. You cry when someone treats you the same way you treat them, on top of your delusional view of the world. It seems to be a problem with liberals these days, liberal hypocrisy is what I call it. You seem to have a severe case of that disease.

[hcap]

I am only hyper sensitive when people dish it out and cannot take it. You are the poster child for that problem. You cry when someone treats you the same way you treat them, on top of your delusional view of the world. It seems to be a problem with liberals these days, liberal hypocrisy is what I call it. You seem to have a severe case of that disease.YOU ARE A POSTER CHILD FOR A CRY BABY. I take it back I do know much more than you. Practically and theoretically.
I think you feel threatened when your imagined air of "authority is threatened. Oh well. Sorry poor baby

You are one gigantic dumb ass. I am through discussing anything with such a whining cry baby.

Back on ignore.

[Inner Dirt]

YOU ARE A POSTER CHILD FOR A CRY BABY. I take it back I do know much more than you. Practically and theoretically.
I think you feel threatened when your imagined air of "authority is threatened. Oh well. Sorry poor baby

You are one gigantic dumb ass. I am through discussing anything with such a whining cry baby.

Back on ignore.


I seriously hope you are posting from a mental institution, you are as delusional as the day is long. Why don't you just ignore everyone and go away.