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Clocker
02-24-2018, 11:36 PM
John Harwood should have his ass kicked for being that snarky
I'm sure Harwood doesn't think he is being snarky. I'm sure he speaks what he considers to be the gospel truth according to the Holy Church of Universal Liberal Knowledge.
The inability of a "good guy with a gun" to prevent this mass shooting is all the evidence needed that the only possible solution is to abolish civilian access to guns.
JustRalph
02-24-2018, 11:41 PM
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/former-new-york-city-police-commissioner-bernard-kerik-broward-county-sheriff-scott-israel-school-shooting-parkland-florida/2018/02/24/id/845273/
Step down!
JustRalph
02-24-2018, 11:56 PM
New meme going around.....
“Broward Cowards”
thaskalos
02-25-2018, 01:11 AM
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/former-new-york-city-police-commissioner-bernard-kerik-broward-county-sheriff-scott-israel-school-shooting-parkland-florida/2018/02/24/id/845273/
Step down!
Ex-NYC Police Commissioner Kerik is wrong...IMO. Cowardice isn't the same as "lack of training". When you shoot a gun during "training"...nobody is shooting back at you.
woodtoo
02-25-2018, 03:32 AM
Ex-NYC Police Commissioner Kerik is wrong...IMO. Cowardice isn't the same as "lack of training". When you shoot a gun during "training"...nobody is shooting back at you.
"lack of training" where the hell did you get that from? So they need to spend six months in Chicago to get proper training, thats a pretty thick blue line you're drawing Gus.
They are and will forever be remembered as the "Broward Cowards".
thaskalos
02-25-2018, 04:39 AM
Where did I get "lack of training" from? I got it from this link that JustRalph submitted earlier:
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/former-new-york-city-police-commissioner-bernard-kerik-broward-county-sheriff-scott-israel-school-shooting-parkland-florida/2018/02/24/id/845273/
In the attached article, former NYC Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik called for the resignation of the Broward County Sheriff...on the grounds that "This department needs new leadership and obviously training".
What...you think that I make stuff up around here?
Inner Dirt
02-25-2018, 05:49 AM
i was thinking of asking if you were either/both of the first two mentioned above when i read this gem from you.
http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2278924#post2278924
i quickly called my wife to read it, and she was soon having the same fits of laughter as i was!
Ever heard of sarcasm?
boxcar
02-25-2018, 07:46 AM
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/former-new-york-city-police-commissioner-bernard-kerik-broward-county-sheriff-scott-israel-school-shooting-parkland-florida/2018/02/24/id/845273/
Step down!
And this statement in the article flies in the face of ShowMe's SC case that he wrote about a couple of days ago:
"If these reports are true, these deputies are constitutionally bound to engage the shooter to protect the students," Kerik added.
boxcar
02-25-2018, 07:51 AM
Where did I get "lack of training" from? I got it from this link that JustRalph submitted earlier:
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/former-new-york-city-police-commissioner-bernard-kerik-broward-county-sheriff-scott-israel-school-shooting-parkland-florida/2018/02/24/id/845273/
In the attached article, former NYC Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik called for the resignation of the Broward County Sheriff...on the grounds that "This department needs new leadership and obviously training".
What...you think that I make stuff up around here?
So what kind of training should those deputies had: Air dropped into to some hot war zone somewhere? Or spend a week or two in Chicago, perhaps? But...if they are expected to survive those kinds of live fire experiences, wouldn't they need previous training under live fire? (Do you see the problem here?) :coffee:
bigjohna
02-25-2018, 08:54 AM
no Iam not drunk or high what is your answer to this problem we are having in this great country Iam willing to listen regards john
Clocker
02-25-2018, 12:33 PM
The "good guy with a gun" argument is increasingly being twisted in the liberal media. CNN's Chris Cillizza is the latest:
“To stop a bad guy with a gun, it takes a good guy with a gun,” LaPierre said to applause from the CPAC crowd on Thursday morning.
The problem for LaPierre is that this latest shooting in Parkland, Florida, isn’t an affirmation of that view. It’s a direct rebuttal.
There was a good guy with a gun just outside the school when the bad guy with a gun started murdering people. The good guy with the gun wasn’t the solution. He didn’t stop it.
What the Parkland school shooting exposes is the fallacy in LaPierre’s argument: This is not a simple problem. And it does not have a simple solution like arming more people.
No, that is a simplistic argument that deliberately distorts reality. A good guy with a gun is one who is ready, willing and able to use it for its intended purpose. There was not a good guy with a gun at that school. There was a scarecrow in a uniform.
https://hotair.com/archives/2018/02/24/cnns-chris-cillizza-deputy-scot-peterson-proved-nra-wrong/
boxcar
02-25-2018, 12:40 PM
The "good guy with a gun" argument is increasingly being twisted in the liberal media. CNN's Chris Cillizza is the latest:
No, that is a simplistic argument that deliberately distorts reality. A good guy with a gun is one who is ready, willing and able to use it for its intended purpose. There was not a good guy with a gun at that school. There was a scarecrow in a uniform.
https://hotair.com/archives/2018/02/24/cnns-chris-cillizza-deputy-scot-peterson-proved-nra-wrong/
What would you expect with anyone from CNN? Certainly, not straight thinking. And this guy Chris has the gall to talk about "reality"?
Clocker
02-25-2018, 12:47 PM
Jake Tapper of CNN fluctuates between good journalism and spouting the liberal line. His interview with the Broward Sheriff is good stuff. And the sheriff is a fool.
"Are you really not taking any responsibility for the multiple red flags that were brought to the attention of the Broward Sheriff's Office about this shooter before the incident?" Tapper asked.
"Jake, I can only take responsibility for what I knew about. I exercised my due diligence. I've given amazing leadership to this agency—" Israel started.
"Amazing leadership? Tapper asked incredulously.
"Yes, Jake. There's a lot of things we've done throughout this—this is—you don't measure a person's leadership by a deputy not going into—these deputies received the training they needed—" Israel said.
"Maybe you measure somebody's leadership by whether or not they protect the community," Tapper said. "In this case, you've listed 23 incidents before the shooting involving the shooter and still nothing was done to keep guns out of his hands, to make sure that the school was protected, to make sure you were keeping an eye on him … I don't understand how you can sit there and claim amazing leadership."
Israel said on "16 of those cases," his deputies did everything right and in the five years he had been sheriff, he'd taken the department to a "new level."
So getting things right in 16 out of 23 instances is "amazing leadership"? If this is a new level, I'd hate to think what things used to be like around there. :rolleyes:
http://freebeacon.com/politics/broward-county-sheriff-i-provided-amazing-leadership-to-department/
thaskalos
02-25-2018, 12:50 PM
Some are fearless even when they are unarmed...and some are scared to death, even with a machine-gun in their hands. It isn't the steel in his hands that defines the "hero"; it's the steel in his BALLS.
PaceAdvantage
02-25-2018, 12:57 PM
It isn't the steel in his hands that defines the "hero"; it's the steel in his BALLS.Man, this is a good line...:ThmbUp:
boxcar
02-25-2018, 01:12 PM
Some are fearless even when they are unarmed...and some are scared to death, even with a machine-gun in their hands. It isn't the steel in his hands that defines the "hero"; it's the steel in his BALLS.
Yes...like that unarmed high school coach who sacrificed his life by shielding students from spraying bullets with his body.
You're in the running for "post of the year". :ThmbUp:
Clocker - I am getting worried about you.
Are you listening to too much CNN?
That could rot your mind, you know.
They have those radiation detection badges they use in nuclear reactors......need to get the ones for Liberal BS.
Clocker
02-25-2018, 01:51 PM
Clocker - I am getting worried about you.
Are you listening to too much CNN?
That could rot your mind, you know.
Direct exposure to CNN is too toxic for me without a hazmat suit. I view it all from a safe distance. Check the sources for my quotes.
woodtoo
02-25-2018, 02:21 PM
"Courage is being scared to death....and saddling up anyway."
John Wayne
Nutz and Boltz
02-25-2018, 02:31 PM
"Courage is being scared to death....and saddling up anyway."
John Wayne
Me thinks you might have opened up a can of worms. :eek: He "saddled up", in the movies.
http://www.neatorama.com/2014/06/25/Was-John-Wayne-a-Draft-Dodger/
Clocker
02-25-2018, 02:47 PM
And this statement in the article flies in the face of ShowMe's SC case that he wrote about a couple of days ago:
"If these reports are true, these deputies are constitutionally bound to engage the shooter to protect the students," Kerik added.
The deputies are not bound directly by the Constitution, and the Constitution does not require the agency to engage the shooter. As long as the deputies are following orders or established procedures, they are acting legally.
What I didn't know before was that established procedure for many law enforcement agencies, at least in the past, was for officers to not immediately enter a building.
So why do good cops wait? Training. It’s part of a tactical approach currently debated by police departments across the country. Before Columbine, everyone pretty much waited: Set up a perimeter, wait for SWAT, go in with mass firepower and a strategy to reduce civilian casualties. That doesn’t work if all the civilians are already dead.
So the strategy changed—or was supposed to. But as we’ve seen again and again, in some places, it hasn’t. This brings up the conversation nobody wants to have: It’s a lot easier to police good people than bad ones.Apparently many agencies have changed that procedure in light of increasing numbers of mass shootings. What we don't know yet is what the Broward policy is.
http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/23/parkland-officers-hesitation-stop-shooting-pattern-police-cowardice/
elysiantraveller
02-25-2018, 02:48 PM
Jake Tapper of CNN fluctuates between good journalism and spouting the liberal line. His interview with the Broward Sheriff is good stuff. And the sheriff is a fool.
Overall no one oscillates between being one of the best journalists out there to sneaking in and towing the party line like Tapper.
Pretty sure thats why CNN likes him.
Gets you lulled in with really good stuff then sneaks it in. I do have an favorable opinion of him though.
elysiantraveller
02-25-2018, 02:51 PM
Clocker - I am getting worried about you.
Are you listening to too much CNN?
That could rot your mind, you know.
They have those radiation detection badges they use in nuclear reactors......need to get the ones for Liberal BS.
CNN is fine. Vanilla liberal for the most part and easy to identify. It occasionally goes off the rails like the Town Hall and then brings itself back to that vanilla spot.
Clocker
02-25-2018, 02:55 PM
Overall no one oscillates between being one of the best journalists out there to sneaking in and towing the party line like Tapper.
Pretty sure thats why CNN likes him.
Gets you lulled in with really good stuff then sneaks it in. I do have an favorable opinion of him though.
I said "good", not "one of the best". :D
He usually gets the facts straight.
elysiantraveller
02-25-2018, 03:10 PM
He usually gets the facts straight.
For a major outlet? That's over half the battle. ;):D
boxcar
02-25-2018, 03:32 PM
The deputies are not bound directly by the Constitution, and the Constitution does not require the agency to engage the shooter. As long as the deputies are following orders or established procedures, they are acting legally.
What I didn't know before was that established procedure for many law enforcement agencies, at least in the past, was for officers to not immediately enter a building.
Apparently many agencies have changed that procedure in light of increasing numbers of mass shootings. What we don't know yet is what the Broward policy is.
http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/23/parkland-officers-hesitation-stop-shooting-pattern-police-cowardice/
Apparently, many agencies still haven't heard: Timing is everything. Or he who hesitates is lost.
When lives are actually on the line the decision must immediately be made: Play it safe for sake of self-preservation or lay it all on the line for the sake of others. Admittedly, not an easy decision. And ultimately, no agency policy can make that snap decision for you, nor can the policy be the correct in all circumstances. Ultimately, regardless of policy, the decision to act or not act resides with those at the scene of the crime.
So what they are saying is one punk kid with a gun requires a SWAT team and mass firepower.
BS.
Those cops need to go work as rent-a-cops.
Or meter maids.
Clocker
02-25-2018, 07:18 PM
So what they are saying is one punk kid with a gun requires a SWAT team and mass firepower.
BS.
Those cops need to go work as rent-a-cops.
Or meter maids.
We still have not heard what "amazing leadership" was given to the deputies by the sheriff. If the policy of the department or the specific orders of the sheriff in this case were to wait for more information or for a SWAT team, most of the blame passes from those deputies and goes higher up the food chain.
I am not going to hold my breath waiting for the sheriff to provide more information or explanation.
JustRalph
02-25-2018, 07:28 PM
He’s amazing!
PaceAdvantage
02-25-2018, 07:30 PM
Is that Mark Wahlberg 15-20 years from now?
Clocker
02-25-2018, 07:35 PM
Is that Mark Wahlberg 15-20 years from now?
I think it is the former sheriff of Broward County not too long from now.
Clocker
02-25-2018, 07:57 PM
More from the Jake Tapper interview:
Tapper asked Sheriff Israel, "Do you think that, if the Broward Sheriff's office had done things differently, this shooting might not have happened?"
Astonishingly, Sheriff Israel responded, "Yeah, listen, if ifs and butts were candy and nuts, OJ Simpson would still be in the record books."
Tapper quickly cut him off in a stern yet reasoned tone, saying, "I don't know what that means. There are 17 dead people and there's a whole long list of things your department could've done differently."
"How could- Listen, that's what after action-reports are. That's what lessons learned reports are for. I have entered into conversation with Chuck Wexler, of the Police Executive Research Forum. They will be coming to town to do an independent after-action, lessons-learned report. We understand everything wasn't done perfectly," the sheriff shot back.
Then, Sheriff Israel brought up an entirely irrelevant remark and compared his department to other cities.
"And if it happened in Los Angeles or Chicago, or any other city, every person wouldn't preform perfectly. That's not what happens," as if that somehow excuses the malpractice.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2018/02/25/broward-county-sheriff-scott-israel-looks-like-an-absolute-jerk-n2454061
NJ Stinks
02-25-2018, 07:57 PM
Overall no one oscillates between being one of the best journalists out there to sneaking in and towing the party line like Tapper.
Pretty sure thats why CNN likes him.
Gets you lulled in with really good stuff then sneaks it in. I do have an favorable opinion of him though.
If somebody doesn't like Jake Tapper, there isn't much of anything on CNN that will appeal.
I like him a lot.
jocko699
02-25-2018, 08:01 PM
If somebody doesn't like Jake Tapper, there isn't much of anything on CNN that will appeal.
I like him a lot.
Compared to Wolf and Lemonade he is a messiah.
PaceAdvantage
02-25-2018, 08:03 PM
I'm surprised CNN is going after the Dem Sheriff so hard. Those kinds of interviews are reserved for Trump supporters...
davew
02-25-2018, 08:09 PM
I'm surprised CNN is going after the Dem Sheriff so hard. Those kinds of interviews are reserved for Trump supporters...
sometimes they just don't know who they donated to, and get it wrong....
horses4courses
02-25-2018, 08:09 PM
I'm surprised CNN is going after the Dem Sheriff so hard. Those kinds of interviews are reserved for Trump supporters...
It would never occur to some that the content isn't quite so fake.
Slanted? Yes.
Must be a market for it, though.
elysiantraveller
02-25-2018, 08:10 PM
It would never occur to some that the content isn't quite so fake.
Slanted? Yes.
Must be a market for it, though.
Vanilla liberal.
If somebody doesn't like Jake Tapper, there isn't much of anything on CNN that will appeal.
There is nothing on CNN that appeals to me, other than, of course, when they put so-called witness on the air having no idea who it is on the phone.
Like the so-called next door neighbor of OJ, of the cruise ship fire with baba buoy! :pound:
CNN has always been and will always be ass-clowns.
Anyone who work for them is, by definition, an ass-clown.
Slanted? Yes.
Must be a market for it, though.
Ass-clowns make up a huge demographic.
johnhannibalsmith
02-25-2018, 09:19 PM
Seems like the kid that did the shooting is the only object, animate or otherwise, to avoid the wrath of the world at large.
Inner Dirt
02-25-2018, 11:00 PM
Seems like the kid that did the shooting is the only object, animate or otherwise, to avoid the wrath of the world at large.
It seems when the weapon of mass murder is a gun the criminal almost becomes next to anonymous in the main stream media. Especially if the gun is an AR-15 or similar.
Is that Mark Wahlberg 15-20 years from now?
No, it's HILLARY! :headbanger:
JustRalph
02-26-2018, 10:51 AM
Facts
Inner Dirt
02-26-2018, 10:56 AM
Facts
Liberals only like "facts" they get from people like MSNBC's Lawerence O'Donnell.
Clocker
02-26-2018, 10:59 AM
Broward sheriff says that if a deputy refuses to do his duty, despite the sheriff's "amazing leadership", that's not his problem.
“I gave him a gun. I gave him a badge. I gave him the training,” Sheriff Israel told an NBC6 South Florida reporter in a video interview tweeted by Erika Glover. “If he didn’t have the heart to go in, that’s not my responsibility.”http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2018/02/25/deputy-didnt-heart-go-thats-not-responsibility-says-broward-county-sheriff/
PaceAdvantage
02-26-2018, 11:16 AM
This Sheriff is sounding more and more like the ultimate douche bag every day.
Actually, he sounds a lot like Trump...no wonder CNN doesn't like him...:lol:
elysiantraveller
02-26-2018, 11:23 AM
This Sheriff is sounding more and more like the ultimate douche bag every day.
Actually, he sounds a lot like Trump...no wonder CNN doesn't like him...:lol:
Wow... :eek:
100% Agreement! :ThmbUp::ThmbUp:
boxcar
02-26-2018, 11:28 AM
Facts
So, Liberals want us to become the next USSR, China, Uganda, Guatemala, Cambodia etc.? It's little wonder they hate America so much.
burnsy
02-26-2018, 11:31 AM
Here's the thing. The cops took cover but Teachers and Lunch Ladies will do better? That's gotta be the dumbest thing i ever heard. The schools need real guards (pros) POSTED at the entrances with metal detectors.....just like everywhere else. Some how court houses and airports don't have this problem. Don't be cheap cause its kids.......do more!
Clocker
02-26-2018, 11:33 AM
Liar, liar...
Broward County sheriff's officials said in a statement late Saturday that they responded only to 23 calls involving suspected Florida school shooter Nikolas Cruz or his family over the years, but records obtained by BuzzFeed News show at least 45 responses since 2008. The number of calls made over the years involving Cruz or his family, according to the call records, are nearly twice the number publicly disclosed by the department. On Saturday night, the Broward County Sheriff's Office released a statement pushing back on reports that they had been called more than the 23 incidents released by the department...Dispatch records obtained by BuzzFeed News show that, since 2008, there were 22 calls to send deputies to Cruz's home that have not been publicly disclosed by the department.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2018/02/26/busted-incompetent-preening-broward-county-sheriff-gets-caught-in-a-lie-n2454143
PaceAdvantage
02-26-2018, 11:34 AM
Here's the thing. The cops took cover but Teachers and Lunch Ladies will do better? That's gotta be the dumbest thing i ever heard. The schools need real guards (pros) POSTED at the entrances with metal detectors.....just like everywhere else. Some how court houses and airports don't have this problem. Don't be cheap cause its kids.......do more!Court houses have criminals...and vigilante-types looking to do harm to these criminals...airports have terrorist concerns.
Schools usually don't have these types of people meandering through....
Most banks don't even have armed guards (that I can see anyway). Why do schools need this?
I'll ask again...how did we survive all these years without armed guards in schools...without locked doors on schools during school hours...how did we ever make it out alive?
What is really wrong with our society? It's not the guns, I'll tell you that.
Why do people refuse to want to examine the deeper issues involved here? They want to go for the easy fix...get rid of guns...post SWAT teams at every school...that's not going to solve anything long term.
burnsy
02-26-2018, 11:36 AM
Liar, liar...
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2018/02/26/busted-incompetent-preening-broward-county-sheriff-gets-caught-in-a-lie-n2454143
That's fine in this case but some of these people say nothing. If the cops are too late...the teachers, lunch ladies and janitors are not going to do squat either. Pay the price and secure the place!
Liberals only like "facts" they get from people like MSNBC's Lawerence O'Donnell.
"Facts" is what we want them to be.
What we need them to be.
That's a FACTD
johnhannibalsmith
02-26-2018, 11:49 AM
...
Why do people refuse to want to examine the deeper issues involved here? ...
I think we're just pretty much pathetic now. We could put men in outer space and finish the challenge of the canal in panama that others could not but we can't even be bothered to do anything more than argue over guns for the millionth time on this topic. Nobody even makes an effort to get along even just enough to try for common ground on anything. If you smile at Ivanka Trump at the Olympics you are destroyed professionally; if you have even a mild difference of opinion with an alleged conservative you tend to learn immediately that you are now a commie liberal.
I don't think we have a chance in hell of doing much of anything but watching more kids off more kids. And, the way that we grown-ass adults deal with one another on a daily basis just talking about this topic, who is really surprised that we have angry acting kids all over the place.
Clocker
02-26-2018, 11:52 AM
New reports indicate that the "cowardly" deputy may have been in contact with headquarters during the time he was standing outside the building. Could HQ have screwed up?
But “Stoneman Douglas student Brandon Huff, 18, a senior, said he had seen Peterson standing outside the building and talking on his radio during the shooting,” according to reports in the Florida Sun-Sentinel and The New York Times.
The deputy appears to have been in constant radio contact with Israel’s Broward County Sheriff’s Office. Jim Bell, president of the Broward Sheriff’s Office Deputies Association, told reporters that Peterson thinks he followed protocol. “He believed he did a good job calling in the location, setting up the perimeter and calling in the description [of Cruz],” Bell told reporters.
So with all that radio communication between the Sheriff’s Office and Peterson at the school, are we really supposed to believe the first time Israel realized his deputy had never gone into the school was when he finally saw the surveillance tapes? Particularly now that Coral Springs Police have told CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies/index.html) that they saw three more Broward County deputies taking cover outside the school when they arrived, and passed them going into the building?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/02/26/was_cowardly_fla_deputy_told_to_wait_for_backup_13 6368.html
burnsy
02-26-2018, 12:08 PM
Court houses have criminals...and vigilante-types looking to do harm to these criminals...airports have terrorist concerns.
Schools usually don't have these types of people meandering through....
Most banks don't even have armed guards (that I can see anyway). Why do schools need this?
I'll ask again...how did we survive all these years without armed guards in schools...without locked doors on schools during school hours...how did we ever make it out alive?
What is really wrong with our society? It's not the guns, I'll tell you that.
Why do people refuse to want to examine the deeper issues involved here? They want to go for the easy fix...get rid of guns...post SWAT teams at every school...that's not going to solve anything long term.
I actually agree with most of what you are saying. But its happening too much NOW. The quickest short term is securing the schools. That's why schools need it. Plus, teachers and school personnel are not the likeliest fighting type.....just saying. If cops are backing down because some guy has the drop.....these people have no shot. These people are terrorist, they kill innocents. When Trump and the parents met at the Education Dept. one father was pissed. The shiny assed, bureaucrats spare no expense and have guards in the elevators. Its not a bank, an airport or a court house. But damn sure they cover their own asses. Not the kids?
PaceAdvantage
02-26-2018, 12:09 PM
New reports indicate that the "cowardly" deputy may have been in contact with headquarters during the time he was standing outside the building. Could HQ have screwed up?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/02/26/was_cowardly_fla_deputy_told_to_wait_for_backup_13 6368.html
So why was this deputy so quick to resign if he was in constant contact with HQ and basically following what they told him or the protocol he was taught?
PaceAdvantage
02-26-2018, 12:12 PM
I actually agree with most of what you are saying. But its happening too much NOW. The quickest short term is securing the schools. That's why schools need it. Plus, teachers and school personnel are not the likeliest fighting type.....just saying. If cops are backing down because some guy has the drop.....these people have no shot. These people are terrorist, they kill innocents. When Trump and the parents met at the Education Dept. one father was pissed. The shiny assed, bureaucrats spare no expense and have guards in the elevators. Its not a bank, an airport or a court house. But damn sure they cover their own asses. Not the kids?But schools are WAY MORE secure these days then they ever were in the past.
How secure was the school in Parkland? Do people have to be "buzzed in" during school hours?
How did this expelled student get in the door in the first place? Did he shoot out the locks? Shoot out windows? How did he get in?
Maybe the school was as open as my high school back in the late 80s?
Clocker
02-26-2018, 12:25 PM
So why was this deputy so quick to resign if he was in constant contact with HQ and basically following what they told him or the protocol he was taught?
We don't know what happened, but every day there is more conflicting news and more evidence of a screwed up law enforcement agency.
The deputy was suspended indefinitely without pay, pending an investigation. Maybe he just didn't want to go through the BS, including an investigation led by what appears to be a butt-head boss. He probably figured at the very least his cushy job as school resource officer was gone, and at worst he would be the goat for the shooting deaths. He had his 30 years in and retired with a full pension.
Clocker
02-26-2018, 12:31 PM
The Broward sheriff says that the problem is that he doesn't have enough legal power. He says that a police officer should have the power to unilaterally put someone in a mental health institution. :faint:
All that being said, what I'm asking the law makers to give police all over this country is more power. In Florida, we call it a Baker Act. It allows us to take an individual to be - - against their will, involuntarily to go to a mental facility and be treated.
What I'm saying is that if a police officer that we pay a good salary, to keep us safe, feels that the totality of circumstances, the computer, the bedroom, the picture, the photographs, speaking to their - - their friends. If we feel the totality of the circumstances rises to the level where we're concerned, this person might be mentally ill, we need the power to take every firearm they have away from them and bring them to a mental health facility.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/22/politics/cnn-town-hall-full-video-transcript/index.html
boxcar
02-26-2018, 12:33 PM
We don't know what happened, but every day there is more conflicting news and more evidence of a screwed up law enforcement agency.
The deputy was suspended indefinitely without pay, pending an investigation. Maybe he just didn't want to go through the BS, including an investigation led by what appears to be a butt-head boss. He probably figured at the very least his cushy job as school resource officer was gone, and at worst he would be the goat for the shooting deaths. He had his 30 years in and retired with a full pension.
So the deputy quit before or after he was suspended?
Saratoga_Mike
02-26-2018, 12:33 PM
President Trump on Monday claimed he would have run into a Florida high school to prevent a gunman from carrying out this month's mass shooting.
"I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon," Trump told a gathering of governors at the White House.
Source: thehill.com
PaceAdvantage
02-26-2018, 12:35 PM
President Trump on Monday claimed he would have run into a Florida high school to prevent a gunman from carrying out this month's mass shooting.
"I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon," Trump told a gathering of governors at the White House.
Source: thehill.comYeah, of course...his bone spurs must have cleared by now, right? :lol:
Clocker
02-26-2018, 12:38 PM
So the deputy quit before or after he was suspended?
After being on suspension for one day, as I remember.
FantasticDan
02-26-2018, 01:04 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/375597-trump-i-would-have-run-into-school-during-shooting-even-without-a-gun
President Trump on Monday claimed he would have run into a Florida high school to prevent a gunman from carrying out this month's mass shooting.
"I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon," Trump told a gathering of governors at the White House.
Source: thehill.com
mrhorseplayer
02-26-2018, 01:15 PM
President Trump on Monday claimed he would have run into a Florida high school to prevent a gunman from carrying out this month's mass shooting.
"I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon," Trump told a gathering of governors at the White House.
Source: thehill.com
key word Believe
Saratoga_Mike
02-26-2018, 01:29 PM
Yeah, of course...his bone spurs must have cleared by now, right? :lol:
Careful, you're going to upset the Trump faithful.
PaceAdvantage
02-26-2018, 01:38 PM
Careful, you're going to upset the Trump faithful.I doubt it...no reason to get upset
Saratoga_Mike
02-26-2018, 01:52 PM
I doubt it...no reason to get upset
Not sure, I'm expecting the "do you guys realize how debilitating and painful bones spurs can be?," from someone.
steveb
02-26-2018, 04:11 PM
So, Liberals want us to become the next USSR, China, Uganda, Guatemala, Cambodia etc.? It's little wonder they hate America so much.
i would expect nothing less from a confirmed numbnut.
that 5 is idiotical in the extreme.
cause and correlation.
as for the other 4, i would not know about them all, but the ones that i do are nonsensical too.
well they are to the unblinkered at least.
boxcar
02-26-2018, 05:00 PM
i would expect nothing less from a confirmed numbnut.
that 5 is idiotical in the extreme.
cause and correlation.
as for the other 4, i would not know about them all, but the ones that i do are nonsensical too.
well they are to the unblinkered at least.
What is idiotic, in the extreme, is that off-the-deep-end whacko leftists, like yourself, will turn a blind eye to history and ignore what could well happen in a country wherein all gun ownership by private citizens is banned.
steveb
02-26-2018, 05:16 PM
What is idiotic, in the extreme, is that off-the-deep-end whacko leftists, like yourself, will turn a blind eye to history and ignore what could well happen in a country wherein all gun ownership by private citizens is banned.
'deep end leftists'
further confirmation of numbnut staus!!
i am about deep left as you are athiest.
i will change my opinion.
not numbnut, just plain stupid.
you would not have the foggiest of foggy about what transpired in those countries, nor the why, but you have seem some idiotic puerile graphic and taken it as fact.
maybe stupid is being kind to you.
horses4courses
02-26-2018, 05:39 PM
all gun ownership by private citizens is banned.
Anyone even thinking for one second that this is possible is out of their mind.
The only purpose for such a statement is to scare others who are on the verge of being out of their minds. Misery loves company.
azeri98
02-26-2018, 06:31 PM
So Scott "The Cowardly Lion" Peterson through a spokesman today came out and said he did a good job, I think he maybe mentally ill.
Clocker
02-26-2018, 06:44 PM
Anyone even thinking for one second that this is possible is out of their mind.
I bet a lot of people said the same thing about a ban on alcohol 100 years ago.
PaceAdvantage
02-26-2018, 07:08 PM
So Scott "The Cowardly Lion" Peterson through a spokesman today came out and said he did a good job, I think he maybe mentally ill.Everyone seems to be charged with the "mentally ill" badge of dishonor these days...from the President down to this Deputy...
It's almost like the new "RACIST"
boxcar
02-26-2018, 07:51 PM
'deep end leftists'
further confirmation of numbnut staus!!
i am about deep left as you are athiest.
i will change my opinion.
not numbnut, just plain stupid.
you would not have the foggiest of foggy about what transpired in those countries, nor the why, but you have seem some idiotic puerile graphic and taken it as fact.
maybe stupid is being kind to you.
I know you're deeply ignorant. And like most whacko leftists are always in denial of what reality currently is and what it was. The irrefutable, historical fact is that those governments that banned gun ownership by private citizens in the countries I mentioned, it did not go well for those citizens -- even to this day in some of those places.
By the way, Nazi Germany was another such country.
boxcar
02-26-2018, 07:58 PM
Anyone even thinking for one second that this is possible is out of their mind.
The only purpose for such a statement is to scare others who are on the verge of being out of their minds. Misery loves company.
Then Founding Fathers must have been out of their minds because that's why they crafted a Constitution of "negative rights" (to coin a BO phrase) -- to specifically limit the power and authority of the federal government. What in the world makes you think that the government of this nation can't go full tilt tyrannical in the foreseeable future? There is already plenty of evidence available that the further left this country continues moves, the closer to that reality we're getting.
steveb
02-26-2018, 08:22 PM
I know you're deeply ignorant. And like most whacko leftists are always in denial of what reality currently is and what it was. The irrefutable, historical fact is that those governments that banned gun ownership by private citizens in the countries I mentioned, it did not go well for those citizens -- even to this day in some of those places.
By the way, Nazi Germany was another such country.
i guess i am ignorant about some things, but infinitely less than you, so i can cop that.
but you have read a stupid graphic, and accepted it at face value.
i guess it's true that i am a whacko, or else i would not be on here toing and froing with probably the most ignorant, unknowing, 'unchristian' like fruit loop i have ever experienced.
so maybe that's personal, and while i don't believe in doing personal, surely 'god' would forgive this instance!
anyway the link between banning guns and genocide is nonsense.
even if it was true, without knowing the why, it is the stuff of fruit loops.
i guess it's possible some nutty government would like to remove guns from people before it started to harm them, but that's a completly a different thing to saying.......
guns banned = genocide
while i am here.....
are all those school shootings 'genocide' of a kind?
are guns banned in the usa?
JustRalph
02-26-2018, 08:29 PM
'deep end leftists'
further confirmation of numbnut staus!!
i am about deep left as you are athiest.
i will change my opinion.
not numbnut, just plain stupid.
you would not have the foggiest of foggy about what transpired in those countries, nor the why, but you have seem some idiotic puerile graphic and taken it as fact.
maybe stupid is being kind to you.
The hell we don’t. Pol Pot. Mao and Stalin? It’s pretty obvious what happen. There are survivors who have told their story. Do you think the Jews boarding rail cars wished they had been armed?
Apparently you’re a denier.....
steveb
02-26-2018, 08:37 PM
The hell we don’t. Pol Pot. Mao and Stalin? It’s pretty obvious what happen. There are survivors who have told their story. Do you think the Jews boarding rail cars wished they had been armed?
Apparently you’re a denier.....
yes, but that does not say that banning guns equals genocide.
of course they happened, but the linking of banning guns and genocide, with the implication of that's what will happen in your country is ridiculous.
that is what that idiotic graphic you posted is trying to infer.
are guns banned in the usa?
They are banned in schools.
DUH.
steveb
02-26-2018, 08:59 PM
They are banned in schools.
DUH.
i have no idea of what you are saying.
horses4courses
02-26-2018, 09:21 PM
Then Founding Fathers must have been out of their minds because that's why they crafted a Constitution of "negative rights" (to coin a BO phrase) -- to specifically limit the power and authority of the federal government. What in the world makes you think that the government of this nation can't go full tilt tyrannical in the foreseeable future? There is already plenty of evidence available that the further left this country continues moves, the closer to that reality we're getting.
Absolute nonsense
You really should seek help, Willie. :eek:
Even if Bernie Sanders were elected president,
along with a big Dem majority in both houses,
no one is coming after you, or anyone's guns.
Legitimate weapons for self defense, that is.
Not the military variety designed to slaughter.
Hopefully, those we be dealt with in time.
Of course, the chance of that ever happening in
DC is minuscule in the extreme. Not that you
will rest any easier - fear is part of your DNA.
Clocker
02-26-2018, 09:28 PM
no one is coming after you, or anyone's guns.
Legitimate weapons for self defense, that is.
Not the military variety designed to slaughter.
The Dems just introduced a bill that would prohibit the “sale, transfer, production, and importation” of semi-automatic rifles and pistols that can hold a detachable magazine.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-democrats-introduce-bill-prohibiting-sale-of-semi-automatic-weapons/article/2650087
PaceAdvantage
02-26-2018, 09:40 PM
Absolute nonsense
You really should seek help, Willie. :eek:
Even if Bernie Sanders were elected president,
along with a big Dem majority in both houses,
no one is coming after you, or anyone's guns.
Legitimate weapons for self defense, that is.
Not the military variety designed to slaughter.
Hopefully, those we be dealt with in time.
Of course, the chance of that ever happening in
DC is minuscule in the extreme. Not that you
will rest any easier - fear is part of your DNA.Is that the same kind of fear Democrats have of abortion rights begin taken away if even the SLIGHTEST of restriction is put into place (like requiring NY to have parents at least NOTIFIED if their teenage daughter {or in other words, A KID, like the ones in that school in Florida...KIDS...KIDS...KIDS} goes in for an abortion)? That kind of fear, you're talking about, right?
Or is it a different kind of fear? See, I'm confused. You act as if only one side fears things...but that the other side (Dems) are like the mighty Trump, who would have gone into that school, unarmed, and saved the world.
horses4courses
02-26-2018, 10:00 PM
You act as if only one side fears things
Oh, there is plenty to fear.
Much that needs to be confronted.
jocko699
02-26-2018, 10:39 PM
https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/delta-tax-break-may-not-take-flight-after-georgia-senate-blocks/C65RcCN2hiMHs7KAuudmyH/
horses4courses
02-26-2018, 11:20 PM
https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/delta-tax-break-may-not-take-flight-after-georgia-senate-blocks/C65RcCN2hiMHs7KAuudmyH/
Why the hell should any airline have ties with the frickin' NRA?
Hay seuss...........:bang:
elysiantraveller
02-26-2018, 11:51 PM
Legitimate weapons for self defense, that is.
Not the military variety designed to slaughter.
Hopefully, those we be dealt with in time.
Explain what you mean by this... what's the line?
You are talking to people who actually own and know how guns work. None of the weapons used were of the military variety.
Let me explain this in really simple terms. If I take my AR and get into a 1 on 1 firefight with a marine and his M4 (picture) I'm totally outgunned. You do get that right?
http://sadefensejournal.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/mdm_1.jpg
PaceAdvantage
02-26-2018, 11:54 PM
A "legitimate weapon for self defense" isn't designed to slaughter someone?
What's it designed to do? Spray them with a Spider-Man type web that holds them until the police arrive?
johnhannibalsmith
02-27-2018, 12:12 AM
No, I'm sure this is one of those cases where you use guns that fire a round capable of just wounding people or of course, just shoot at their knees whenever possible like on TV. We need less-lethal guns and ammo. It gets dumber and dumber every time a bunch of white kids get shot up.
FantasticDan
02-27-2018, 12:27 AM
You are talking to people who actually own and know how guns work. None of the weapons used were of the military variety.
Let me explain this in really simple terms. If I take my AR and get into a 1 on 1 firefight with a marine and his M4 (picture) I'm totally outgunned. You do get that right?
This article details how similar the guns are..
https://www.dailyshooting.com/different-ar15-vs-m4/
So you and your AR are "outgunned" because of the M4's firing options?
elysiantraveller
02-27-2018, 12:35 AM
This article details how similar the guns are..
https://www.dailyshooting.com/different-ar15-vs-m4/
So you and your AR are "outgunned" because of the M4's firing options?
Yes.
The same way you guys argue a revolver is cool but a semi-auto isn't. Take the logical leap.
thaskalos
02-27-2018, 12:39 AM
Yes.
The same way you guys argue a revolver is cool but a semi-auto isn't. Take the logical leap.
Are you disagreeing with the above article which tells you AR-15 users to "rest assured that it is extremely similar to the military M4"?
elysiantraveller
02-27-2018, 12:57 AM
Are you disagreeing with the above article which tells you AR-15 users to "rest assured that it is extremely similar to the military M4"?
Extremely similar is not the same. The bolt carrier groups and triggers are not the same. Neither is the safety.
Mechanically this (https://p1.liveauctioneers.com/249/74187/38324685_1_x.jpg?version=1435671868&width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp) is extremely similar.
It boils down to looks. There is nothing here based in fact as they keep shotgunning (planned word choice) arguments out there hoping something sticks.
H4C says military variety. I say no and explain why. FD says there wouldn't be a difference between the two. I call BS based on their own logic. He posts incorrect article describing how they are the same. They aren't and show the way they function is hardly unique.
Whats next?
PaceAdvantage
02-27-2018, 12:58 AM
This article details how similar the guns are..
https://www.dailyshooting.com/different-ar15-vs-m4/
So you and your AR are "outgunned" because of the M4's firing options?Article completely fails to mention that the M4 fires about twice the rate as the AR-15...so yeah, he's "OUTGUNNED"
Oh wait, they did mention it: "The last big difference between the two is that the M4 has either a three round burst or fully automatic firing option."
Yeah, that's a BIG difference...
elysiantraveller
02-27-2018, 01:02 AM
Article completely fails to mention that the M4 fires about twice the rate as the AR-15...so yeah, he's "OUTGUNNED"
Oh wait, they did mention it: "The last big difference between the two is that the M4 has either a three round burst or fully automatic firing option."
Yeah, that's a BIG difference...
I built an AR last year with an extremely light trigger pull. During the first time firing, because of the trigger pull, a few rounds bumped off. I have a video of it somewhere if I find it I can upload and link it. It's very obvious when its happening.
I promptly changed the trigger.
JustRalph
02-27-2018, 01:05 AM
Elysian, kudos on your explanation
If they weren’t much better guns why did the military upgrade?
They are much different........
PaceAdvantage
02-27-2018, 01:06 AM
Article completely fails to mention that the M4 fires about twice the rate as the AR-15...so yeah, he's "OUTGUNNED"
Oh wait, they did mention it: "The last big difference between the two is that the M4 has either a three round burst or fully automatic firing option."
Yeah, that's a BIG difference...I'm sorry...I was wrong...the M4 fires close to TWENTY TIMES the rate of an AR-15.
He's WAY OUTGUNNED...by a factor of 20.
FantasticDan
02-27-2018, 01:15 AM
H4C says military variety. I say no and explain why. FD says there wouldn't be a difference between the two. I call BS based on their own logic. He posts incorrect article describing how they are the same. They aren't and show the way they function is hardly unique.
This is a big baloney sandwich. I never said there “wouldn’t be a difference between the two”, and the article accurately points out both similarities and differences.
elysiantraveller
02-27-2018, 01:20 AM
This is a big baloney sandwich. I never said there “wouldn’t be a difference between the two”, and the article accurately points out both similarities and differences.
But the whole argument is the rate of fire with the AR and the fact it's a "military assault rifle."
They aren't the same. The rate of fire is very different. The internals are different. A base Ford Mustang V6 and a Shelby GT look the same but their internals sure as hell aren't.
You can't have it both ways.
PaceAdvantage
02-27-2018, 01:20 AM
This is a big baloney sandwich. I never said there “wouldn’t be a difference between the two”, and the article accurately points out both similarities and differences.The AR-15 fires about 45 rounds a minute.
The M4 full automatic (M4A1) fires 700-900 rounds per minute.
This is all on google for anyone who cares (apparently, the anti-gun folks don't)
You tell me how similar they are.
FantasticDan
02-27-2018, 01:29 AM
The AR-15 fires about 45 rounds a minute.
The M4 full automatic (M4A1) fires 700-900 rounds per minute.
This is all on google for anyone who cares (apparently, the anti-gun folks don't)
You tell me how similar they are.
:rolleyes: Google “full auto AR-15” and enjoy the show. :ThmbUp:
elysiantraveller
02-27-2018, 01:31 AM
This is a big baloney sandwich. I never said there “wouldn’t be a difference between the two”, and the article accurately points out both similarities and differences.
I linked a gun earlier. For fairness sake the AR is to the M4 as that gun is to this one...
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Marine_BAR_shooting_NA01862.jpg/170px-Marine_BAR_shooting_NA01862.jpg
elysiantraveller
02-27-2018, 01:33 AM
:rolleyes: Google “full auto AR-15” and enjoy the show. :ThmbUp:
Google where you can buy one and enjoy the hunt...
They run about $15,000 and thats before the ATF and Uncle Sam get their hands on you.
Why the disparity if they are so much alike to their select fire military counterparts? ;):confused:;)
FantasticDan
02-27-2018, 01:44 AM
Google where you can buy one and enjoy the hunt...
They run about $17,000 and thats before the ATF and Uncle Sam get their hands on you.
Why the disparity if they are so much alike to their select fire military counterparts? ;):confused:;)
This pops right up during the aforementioned google search. Just one conversion method among many it seems, although this one stipulates it’s only “nearly full auto”.
Only $500.
https://www.grandviewoutdoors.com/guns/new-trigger-makes-ar-15s-nearly-full-auto/
elysiantraveller
02-27-2018, 01:54 AM
This pops right up during the aforementioned google search. Just one conversion method among many it seems, although this one stipulates it’s only “nearly full auto”.
Only $500.
https://www.grandviewoutdoors.com/guns/new-trigger-makes-ar-15s-nearly-full-auto/
Its a semi-auto trigger the ATF even certified it as that. AKA a really light trigger I'll guess 3lbs with a super narrow hammer sear. I already covered this. Not military which uses an 8lb pull.
BTW average trigger cost for an AR is $60. That's $500 for just the trigger. A bump stock or just getting really fat would work better... like this guy... its also faster. ;)
https://youtu.be/3gUnuyoVvFI
Inner Dirt
02-27-2018, 07:58 AM
The AR-15 fires about 45 rounds a minute.
The M4 full automatic (M4A1) fires 700-900 rounds per minute.
This is all on google for anyone who cares (apparently, the anti-gun folks don't)
You tell me how similar they are.
I would be curious if you had an endless supply of loaded 30 round magazines and spare barrels what the amount of rounds fired would be in 5 minutes, and then at 10 minutes. An educated guess would think with the much slower rate of only firing when the trigger is squeezed the Ar-15 could last quite awhile before it over heated where the M-4 would get real hot pretty quick if you were changing magazines quickly while running full auto.
PaceAdvantage
02-27-2018, 08:03 AM
I would be curious if you had an endless supply of loaded 30 round magazines and spare barrels what the amount of rounds fired would be in 5 minutes, and then at 10 minutes. An educated guess would think with the much slower rate of only firing when the trigger is squeezed the Ar-15 could last quite awhile before it over heated where the M-4 would get real hot pretty quick if you were changing magazines quickly while running full auto.I would tend to think that also, but I'm no gun expert.
Pretty sure the 700-900 RPM is more theoretical than practical? Or maybe not...
elysiantraveller
02-27-2018, 08:53 AM
I would be curious if you had an endless supply of loaded 30 round magazines and spare barrels what the amount of rounds fired would be in 5 minutes, and then at 10 minutes. An educated guess would think with the much slower rate of only firing when the trigger is squeezed the Ar-15 could last quite awhile before it over heated where the M-4 would get real hot pretty quick if you were changing magazines quickly while running full auto.
Correct.
Without changing barrels the gun would blow probably somewhere between 300-1000 rounds. Changing out the upper on the AR does take a second though so it would slow you down. Problem is you wouldn't be able to handle the upper you are taking off. The AR would, at least in theory, survive a little longer.
Inner Dirt
02-27-2018, 08:57 AM
I would be curious if you had an endless supply of loaded 30 round magazines and spare barrels what the amount of rounds fired would be in 5 minutes, and then at 10 minutes. An educated guess would think with the much slower rate of only firing when the trigger is squeezed the Ar-15 could last quite awhile before it over heated where the M-4 would get real hot pretty quick if you were changing magazines quickly while running full auto.
I would tend to think that also, but I'm no gun expert.
Pretty sure the 700-900 RPM is more theoretical than practical? Or maybe not...
I would think you could probably keep the 45 round a minute pace up with the Ar-15 for quite a while, where as even if you could get one minute of 700 rounds out of the M-4, it would probably start having trouble soon after. Metal expands and softens when it gets hot. I saw a guy firing a full auto AR-15 on a you tube video I don't think he got past more than a couple hundred rounds before the gun started falling apart, maybe the M-4 is of better design and more durable.
elysiantraveller
02-27-2018, 09:10 AM
I would think you could probably keep the 45 round a minute pace up with the Ar-15 for quite a while, where as even if you could get one minute of 700 rounds out of the M-4, it would probably start having trouble soon after. Metal expands and softens when it gets hot. I saw a guy firing a full auto AR-15 on a you tube video I don't think he got past more than a couple hundred rounds before the gun started falling apart, maybe the M-4 is of better design and more durable.
Just depends on the quality of parts. There is a Carbon AR on the market for around $550 or at least there used to be. That gun would not last nearly as long as an AR or M4 with high quality metals making up most of its internals.
Oh, there is plenty to fear.
Much that needs to be confronted.
You are correct.
And the right will confront it with GUNS! :eek::lol:
i have no idea of what you are saying.
Schools are gun free zones.
You know, kill boxes.
Places where the only guns are in the hands of the bad guys.
Soft targets.
If you were going to do a mass shooting, would you likely pick a soft target of an NRA Gun Show?
PaceAdvantage
02-27-2018, 10:07 AM
Isn't it interesting how passionate the gun folks are about keeping the status quo when it comes to gun laws and restrictions?
Almost the same way the pro-abortion folks are passionate about keeping current abortion laws and freedoms in place...like those states that don't require parental consent or even notice in the case of an underage KID having an abortion, which can be a procedure that comes with serious complications...
The pro-abortion folks are about as zealous as gun owners are in protecting their freedoms already in place...and neither is willing to give an inch in the form of new restrictions...
If the left would view the gun debate from the perspective of their own zealous approach to abortion, there might be less criticism and more constructive understanding, debate and compromise...instead of ridiculing and relegating gun owners to John Wayne, Dirty Harry types, hell bent on walking around like Rambo at any and all costs.
But, but, but, you say, anti-gun person, "these guns are KILLING OUR KIDS."
The anti-abortion folks might throw similar sentiments back at you.
FantasticDan
02-27-2018, 10:08 AM
You are correct.
And the right will confront it with GUNS! :eek::lol:
Well.. except for you.
Them things is scary.
boxcar
02-27-2018, 10:45 AM
i guess i am ignorant about some things, but infinitely less than you, so i can cop that.
but you have read a stupid graphic, and accepted it at face value.
i guess it's true that i am a whacko, or else i would not be on here toing and froing with probably the most ignorant, unknowing, 'unchristian' like fruit loop i have ever experienced.
so maybe that's personal, and while i don't believe in doing personal, surely 'god' would forgive this instance!
anyway the link between banning guns and genocide is nonsense.
even if it was true, without knowing the why, it is the stuff of fruit loops.
i guess it's possible some nutty government would like to remove guns from people before it started to harm them, but that's a completly a different thing to saying.......
guns banned = genocide
while i am here.....
are all those school shootings 'genocide' of a kind?
are guns banned in the usa?
Oh...no you're infinitely more ignorant than I could ever be on my worst day. You ask the stupidest question wanting to know "why" the governments in those countries in the article that banned guns committed such atrocities against their unarmed populations. Asking such a question in this time and age truly betrays your ignorance on many levels. Do you know what tyranny is? Do you know what totalitarianism is? Do you know what fascism is? Do know why the framers of the U.S. Constitution crafted the Law of the Land in terms of "negative rights", placing strict limitations on government power?
Do you think the Founding Fathers of this country might have been keenly aware of an adage like this when writing the Constitution:
Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority: still more when you superadd the tendency or the certainty of corruption by authority.?
(Can you even comprehend what the above maxim is saying!?)
Have you ever studied history in your entire pathetic life? Or are you summa cum laude grad from Dumb Down University?
And no one ever equated gun bans with genocide. But when guns are in the hands of only the thugs and the government in a country, anything can happen -- and it's usually not for the good of the law-abiding citizens. In addition, the line between criminals and the police (a/k/a "good guys") is often blurred, which can make matters exponentially worse.
You should spend the rest of your life getting reacquainted with History. The first time around, evidently, had zero effect on you, in spite of your stellar performance at DDU. :coffee:
The anti-abortion folks might throw similar sentiments back at you.
BUT....
Every time the right to abortion is used, a life is lost.
Not even close with every gun sale.
Clocker
02-27-2018, 11:12 AM
Can't wait to hear how the Sheriff of Nottingham, oops, I mean the Sheriff of Broward, spins this:
On Monday, Fox News host Laura Ingraham revealed in an exclusive that Broward County Sheriff's Deputies were supposedly told not to enter Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School unless they had body cameras on, which they did not have.
Ingraham also revealed that police "lost radio transmissions" during the shooting, which also happened at the mass shooting at Fort Lauderdale airport shooting last year, which is also in Broward County.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/27602/breaking-broward-county-deputies-were-told-not-ryan-saavedra
Inner Dirt
02-27-2018, 11:13 AM
BUT....
Every time the right to abortion is used, a life is lost.
Not even close with every gun sale.
I have to cross the aisle on that one. I don't think for the child's sake anything good can come out of a women being forced to bear an unwanted child. A scorned woman is the most dangerous animal on the planet. I am all for birth control and prevention of unwanted pregnancies. Abortion should be an option of a last resort.
Inner Dirt
02-27-2018, 11:18 AM
Can't wait to hear how the Sheriff of Nottingham, oops, I mean the Sheriff of Broward, spins this:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/27602/breaking-broward-county-deputies-were-told-not-ryan-saavedra
Also deputy Scot "the coward" Peterson has had his lawyer come out and defend his actions. To me that even affirms that he is very much a coward and disgrace to the badge. He can't even defend himself to the media, he hides behind an attorney.
Abortion should be an option of a last resort.
Last resort?
Today it's more like "You want fries wit dat?"
boxcar
02-27-2018, 01:28 PM
Can't wait to hear how the Sheriff of Nottingham, oops, I mean the Sheriff of Broward, spins this:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/27602/breaking-broward-county-deputies-were-told-not-ryan-saavedra
This was my theory early on: The first responders were told to stand down. I'm surprised they weren't told, even more specifically, to take a Duncan Donuts break.
There's an awful lot with this tragedy that isn't adding up. Early on eyewitnesses said that Cruz was arrested wearing military garb. But later pictures show him wearing regular street clothes. Did the Sheriff's Dept. drive the kid home to take a shower and change clothes before carting him off to jail?
Clocker
02-27-2018, 02:03 PM
This was my theory early on: The first responders were told to stand down. I'm surprised they weren't told, even more specifically, to take a Duncan Donuts break.
Standard procedure for most departments in the past was to secure the area and wait for SWAT. A lot of agencies have gotten more proactive. This one apparently has not.
boxcar
02-27-2018, 02:27 PM
Standard procedure for most departments in the past was to secure the area and wait for SWAT. A lot of agencies have gotten more proactive. This one apparently has not.
That's a very nice policy... let's say for a hostage situation. But when you actually hear gunfire? When shots are heard, should it not be assumed that people are actually under assault at that moment!? :bang::bang:
davew
02-27-2018, 02:55 PM
This was my theory early on: The first responders were told to stand down. I'm surprised they weren't told, even more specifically, to take a Duncan Donuts break.
There's an awful lot with this tragedy that isn't adding up. Early on eyewitnesses said that Cruz was arrested wearing military garb. But later pictures show him wearing regular street clothes. Did the Sheriff's Dept. drive the kid home to take a shower and change clothes before carting him off to jail?
many different things being said - not sure if any of it is true
-one witness was talking to Cruz while gunshots were heard in background
-shooter was seen in camo with protective vest
-3 people seen leaving and entering car wearing camo and vests
-day was a planned 'live shooter' drill
-onsite school cop thought shots were outside building
-Cruz walked away from school and goes to fast food joint and mall
-Cruz not sweating or wearing any special gear
-Cruz says he does not remember anything (on antidepressant - SSRI?)
boxcar
02-27-2018, 03:00 PM
many different things being said - not sure if any of it is true
-one witness was talking to Cruz while gunshots were heard in background
-shooter was seen in camo with protective vest
-3 people seen leaving and entering car wearing camo and vests
-day was a planned 'live shooter' drill
-onsite school cop thought shots were outside building
-Cruz walked away from school and goes to fast food joint and mall
-Cruz not sweating or wearing any special gear
-Cruz says he does not remember anything (on antidepressant - SSRI?)
Yup, I've heard all this. I'm beginning to wonder if this guy Cruz was a patsy. As I said earlier, a lot doesn't add up. Funny how that works in big tragedies like this. We still haven't gotten to the bottom of Vegas massacre, and not likely we ever will.
davew
02-27-2018, 04:04 PM
I forgot about the 20 minutes missing surveillance tape.
5 complaints that could have avoided this tragedy.
The shooter off the radar, due to Promise.
Thank you, 0bama, for another STUPID program that hurts people in order to serve your perverted anti-American agenda.
Worthless POS.
boxcar
02-27-2018, 04:19 PM
I forgot about the 20 minutes missing surveillance tape.
AND that the Sheriff also said (in no uncertain terms) that the vids from the police body cams would not be released.
Isn't that why they wear the cams - so WE can judge the situations they encounter?
COVER UP!!!!!
steveb
02-27-2018, 05:38 PM
Oh...no you're infinitely more ignorant than I could ever be on my worst day. You ask the stupidest question wanting to know "why" the governments in those countries in the article that banned guns committed such atrocities against their unarmed populations. Asking such a question in this time and age truly betrays your ignorance on many levels. Do you know what tyranny is? Do you know what totalitarianism is? Do you know what fascism is? Do know why the framers of the U.S. Constitution crafted the Law of the Land in terms of "negative rights", placing strict limitations on government power?
Do you think the Founding Fathers of this country might have been keenly aware of an adage like this when writing the Constitution:
Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority: still more when you superadd the tendency or the certainty of corruption by authority.?
(Can you even comprehend what the above maxim is saying!?)
Have you ever studied history in your entire pathetic life? Or are you summa cum laude grad from Dumb Down University?
And no one ever equated gun bans with genocide. But when guns are in the hands of only the thugs and the government in a country, anything can happen -- and it's usually not for the good of the law-abiding citizens. In addition, the line between criminals and the police (a/k/a "good guys") is often blurred, which can make matters exponentially worse.
You should spend the rest of your life getting reacquainted with History. The first time around, evidently, had zero effect on you, in spite of your stellar performance at DDU. :coffee:
i got to paragraph one, and that was enough.
no need to read on
thank 'christ' most religious people are nothing like you.
fruit loop extroadinaire.
just plain nuts too!
boxcar
02-27-2018, 06:52 PM
i got to paragraph one, and that was enough.
no need to read on
thank 'christ' most religious people are nothing like you.
fruit loop extroadinaire.
just plain nuts too!
I was right about you...well, maybe except for one thing: The closest you ever got to graduating with "honors" at DDU was when they gave you a fake diploma just to get you out of their hair. :coffee:
steveb
02-27-2018, 07:06 PM
I was right about you...well, maybe except for one thing: The closest you ever got to graduating with "honors" at DDU was when they gave you a fake diploma just to get you out of their hair. :coffee:
i never graduated....how's that!
so never got a diploma fake or otherwise, well, except for an honorary one, a long time ago.
but as it was short, i read your post and had a nice chuckle.
more puerile nonsense, but thanks for the laugh anyway.
boxcar
02-27-2018, 07:36 PM
i never graduated....how's that!
so never got a diploma fake or otherwise, well, except for an honorary one, a long time ago.
Trust me: It shows!
davew
02-28-2018, 11:12 PM
Some EMTs saying they were kept out and away from wounded. They feel some bled out that could have been saved.
Sheriffs deputies stayed out because they were 'staging' and waiting for SWAT group.
How many exits were there? and how did the 'suspect' change clothes, dump guns and 'walk away'?
boxcar
03-01-2018, 09:50 AM
Some EMTs saying they were kept out and away from wounded. They feel some bled out that could have been saved.
Sheriffs deputies stayed out because they were 'staging' and waiting for SWAT group.
How many exits were there? and how did the 'suspect' change clothes, dump guns and 'walk away'?
One is led to wonder that since the Dems are in such a dire, desperate need for a political issue to run on in the midterms, if the Clinton Foundation didn't surreptitiously support Cruz anyway it could. :coffee:
Clocker
03-01-2018, 11:10 AM
Fox News reports that deputies first on the scene were ordered to not immediately enter the building.
Fox News has learned that in the critical moments as first responding deputies were searching for an active shooter on the property of Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school, a commanding officer on scene apparently ordered some of the initial responders to “stage” and set up a “perimeter” outside -- instead of immediately ordering or allowing officers to rush in to neutralize the suspect, Nikolas Cruz.
“It’s atrocious,” a law enforcement source who was on the scene after the shooting told Fox News. “If deputies were staging it could have cost lives.”
The law enforcement source said responding deputies and officers were called to an active shooter scene in which they are trained to immediately “go, go, go” toward the direction of the shooter. “Every second is another life,” the source said.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/28/commanding-officer-initially-ordered-responding-deputies-to-stage-not-enter-stoneman-douglas-sources-say.html
When did Hillary start working for Broward County Sheriff?
Clocker
03-01-2018, 04:09 PM
The shooter likely would not have been able to buy a weapon if not for Broward county being a strong supporter of an Obama lenient school discipline program.
Despite committing a string of arrestable offenses on campus before the Florida school shooting, Nikolas Cruz was able to escape the attention of law enforcement, pass a background check and purchase the weapon he used to slaughter three staff members and 14 fellow students because of Obama administration efforts to make school discipline more lenient.
Documents reviewed by RealClearInvestigations and interviews show that his school district in Florida’s Broward County was in the vanguard of a strategy, adopted by more than 50 other major school districts nationwide, allowing thousands of troubled, often violent, students to commit crimes without legal consequence. The aim was to slow the "school-to-prison pipeline."
“He had a clean record, so alarm bells didn’t go off when they looked him up in the system,” veteran FBI agent Michael Biasello told RCI. “He probably wouldn’t have been able to buy the murder weapon if the school had referred him to law enforcement."
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/02/28/obama_administration_school_discipline_policy_and_ the_parkland_shooting.html
johnhannibalsmith
03-01-2018, 04:33 PM
Thanks 0bama
Clocker
03-01-2018, 05:18 PM
Thanks 0bama
And thanks to all the fine Democrats in Broward County who voted for Obama, for the sheriff, and for Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.
People in a democracy get the government that they deserve.
boxcar
03-01-2018, 05:34 PM
Thanks 0bama
Social Engineering at its worst -- all ultimately designed to "fix" the social injustice of our prison systems with lopsided ethnic populations.
I wonder how many of the surviving families know the real reason for their loss.
JustRalph
03-02-2018, 01:31 PM
That’s that.......your government at work
“The Broward Sheriff’s Office captain who initially took charge of the chaotic scene at a Parkland high school where 17 people were killed told deputies to form a perimeter around the deadly scene — which they did instead of going in to confront the shooter, according to a partial BSO dispatch log obtained by the Miami Herald.
Capt. Jan Jordan, commander of BSO’s Parkland district, gave the order, the log shows, identifying her by her police call sign.
Broward Sheriff Scott Israel has said BSO training and nationwide active-shooter procedure call for armed law enforcement officers to confront shooters immediately rather than secure a scene.
The document raises fresh questions about the department’s handling of the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School on Feb. 14.”
davew
03-02-2018, 01:37 PM
And thanks to all the fine Democrats in Broward County who voted for Obama, for the sheriff, and for Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.
People in a democracy get the government that they deserve.
come on, Debbie Wassermann-Schultz has been helping the kids by arranging the buses to capital and all the media contacts and attention...
woodtoo
03-02-2018, 01:38 PM
As they say "sunlight is the best disinfectant" lets hope so going forward
PaceAdvantage
03-02-2018, 09:03 PM
That’s that.......your government at work
“The Broward Sheriff’s Office captain who initially took charge of the chaotic scene at a Parkland high school where 17 people were killed told deputies to form a perimeter around the deadly scene — which they did instead of going in to confront the shooter, according to a partial BSO dispatch log obtained by the Miami Herald.
Capt. Jan Jordan, commander of BSO’s Parkland district, gave the order, the log shows, identifying her by her police call sign.
Broward Sheriff Scott Israel has said BSO training and nationwide active-shooter procedure call for armed law enforcement officers to confront shooters immediately rather than secure a scene.
The document raises fresh questions about the department’s handling of the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School on Feb. 14.”I asked before and I'll ask again. If all the above is true, and it appears that it is, why was the first deputy tagged with "didn't go in" resign so quickly, if in fact he was doing what he was told by his superiors?
That's what's so weird to me...in the days following his resignation, it became clearer and clearer that he was simply following procedure. I don't understand why he fell on his sword so quickly.
davew
03-02-2018, 09:25 PM
I asked before and I'll ask again. If all the above is true, and it appears that it is, why was the first deputy tagged with "didn't go in" resign so quickly, if in fact he was doing what he was told by his superiors?
That's what's so weird to me...in the days following his resignation, it became clearer and clearer that he was simply following procedure. I don't understand why he fell on his sword so quickly.
Close or past retirement age already and didn't want to go through department review?
Clocker
03-02-2018, 09:28 PM
I asked before and I'll ask again. If all the above is true, and it appears that it is, why was the first deputy tagged with "didn't go in" resign so quickly, if in fact he was doing what he was told by his superiors?
That's what's so weird to me...in the days following his resignation, it became clearer and clearer that he was simply following procedure. I don't understand why he fell on his sword so quickly.
He was quickly suspended without pay pending an investigation, and there was no indication of anyone else in the department being looked at. He probably got really paranoid really quickly and decided to protect himself and his pension. Perhaps with legal advice.
Given what we have seen of that sheriff, would you like to take a chance that you were not going to be his scapegoat?
JustRalph
03-02-2018, 10:45 PM
He was quickly suspended without pay pending an investigation, and there was no indication of anyone else in the department being looked at. He probably got really paranoid really quickly and decided to protect himself and his pension. Perhaps with legal advice.
Given what we have seen of that sheriff, would you like to take a chance that you were not going to be his scapegoat?
Close or past retirement age already and didn't want to go through department review?
Ding! In some states you can lose your pension if convicted of a crime.
If he’s smart he now goes to therapy for PTSD and gets declared disabled and qualifies for a higher pension......tax free :eek:
chadk66
03-03-2018, 06:21 PM
how is it now days that these city and urban schools have "walk on in anytime" entrance to these schools. How are they not secure and require pass card entrance or being buzzed in by admin?
davew
03-03-2018, 06:27 PM
how is it now days that these city and urban schools have "walk on in anytime" entrance to these schools. How are they not secure and require pass card entrance or being buzzed in by admin?
That would require a wall or a fence around the perimeter....
Inner Dirt
03-04-2018, 08:32 AM
Ding! In some states you can lose your pension if convicted of a crime.
If he’s smart he now goes to therapy for PTSD and gets declared disabled and qualifies for a higher pension......tax free :eek:
I am only aware of what goes on with California State Employees, with medical retirement which a friend of mine just got (barely hurt, gamed the system) after working only 9 years for the state mental health system, he now actually has a higher net income from not working as he did working.
Is that common in most states? The California system was been that way for decades that I know of.
chadk66
03-04-2018, 09:35 AM
That would require a wall or a fence around the perimeter....hell no. doors locked from entrance to the building. Many business's are that way. Have to ring to enter or have a pass card to enter. Have the doors open for one hour in the morning at start of school. After school starts doors lock. Anybody late has to be buzzed in. Simple simple.
JustRalph
03-06-2018, 04:38 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/fl-sb-first-intent-to-sue-marjory-stoneman-douglas-20180305-story.html
The county should dissolve after these suits are finished, because they are going to be bankrupt
hell no. doors locked from entrance to the building. Many business's are that way. Have to ring to enter or have a pass card to enter. Have the doors open for one hour in the morning at start of school. After school starts doors lock. Anybody late has to be buzzed in. Simple simple.
When I was high school in 1969, ALL of our school doors were closed and locked at ALL times.
Only way in was the main door right by the office.
Pretty sure it was not to keep me inside.
woodtoo
03-06-2018, 05:28 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/fl-sb-first-intent-to-sue-marjory-stoneman-douglas-20180305-story.html
The county should dissolve after these suits are finished, because they are going to be bankrupt
Another Obama legacy shot down, literally this time.:ThmbDown:
davew
03-06-2018, 08:08 PM
hell no. doors locked from entrance to the building. Many business's are that way. Have to ring to enter or have a pass card to enter. Have the doors open for one hour in the morning at start of school. After school starts doors lock. Anybody late has to be buzzed in. Simple simple.
Where I went to high school, most all rooms had 1,2 or 3 door entry/exits to outside cement and all single level. There had to be at least 300 doors opening to outside air.
You sure that wasn't a motel?
chadk66
03-08-2018, 09:30 AM
Where I went to high school, most all rooms had 1,2 or 3 door entry/exits to outside cement and all single level. There had to be at least 300 doors opening to outside air.what's the issue with that? Hotels have 300 rooms with keyless entry. Just takes more door knobs.
boxcar
03-08-2018, 08:09 PM
U.S. Civil Rights Commissioners: Obama-Era School Leniency Policy Brings ‘Fear’ and ‘Danger’
In 2014, the Obama administration issued a Dear Colleague letter that mapped out recommendations for national public school disciplinary policies that would purportedly put an end to the “school-to-prison-pipeline” for minority students. The policy threatened schools with risk of federal investigation if they showed higher numbers of referrals to law enforcement for minority students than for other students – even if the behaviors in question were unacceptable.
And then this little gem from the Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel:
I am the sheriff who will measure the success of the agency by the young people we’re able to keep out of jail and not put in jail, while keeping our neighborhoods secure and making sure that we’re doing things the right way. We’ll end racial profiling, not curtail it, but end racial profiling. We’ll diversify the county, we’ll look differently than each other, we’ll think differently than each other, we’ll have hybrid ideas, and most importantly we’ll bring a cultural change to an agency that’s in dire need of one.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/03/08/u-s-civil-rights-commissioners-obama-era-school-leniency-policy-brings-fear-and-danger/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_content=links&utm_campaign=20180308
This snake glibly talks out of both sides of his mouth. On the one hand he first and foremost will measure success by not enforcing the law, while at the same time keeping the neighborhoods secure with more thugs running around in it that should have been locked up! How can the former be done not at the expense of the latter!? :bang::bang: This is another social engineering socialist whose brain, evidently, can rarely keep up with his mouth.
I'm convinced that these 17 kids would be alive today if it weren't for Obama's social engineering schemes. Someone would have listened to all the warnings about Nunez and acted on it, instead of turning a deaf ear and a blind eye to what was obviously a very disturbed kid.
A lot of people would be alive today if not for that Kenyan Terrorist 0bama.
boxcar
03-09-2018, 09:45 AM
A lot of people would be alive today if not for that Kenyan Terrorist 0bama.
The left's mind processes are so utterly diseased and infested with brain-cell eating cancers of Marxism or socialism that they can't even appreciate genuinely wise worldly wisdom, let alone biblical wisdom. Apparently, the Left has never heard that An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
This is such wise axiom from the mind of Ben Franklin, it may well be rooted in the bible, albeit expressed differently -- something I'll check out some day. Anyway, it's all too obvious to me that the Obamas and Holders of this world never gave an ounce of thought to what the safety ramifications of the Promise Program would be on school kids.
JustRalph
03-09-2018, 12:13 PM
There is another side
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2018/03/09/parkland-student-kashuv-urges-passage-of-new-bipartisan-legislation-n2459262
boxcar
03-09-2018, 12:28 PM
There is another side
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2018/03/09/parkland-student-kashuv-urges-passage-of-new-bipartisan-legislation-n2459262
Great to see that there is a kid who has escaped the socialist brainwashing trap that is prevalent in virtually all public schools.
davew
03-09-2018, 01:47 PM
what's the issue with that? Hotels have 300 rooms with keyless entry. Just takes more door knobs.
with cards or pushbuttons? I could only imagine students carrying 10 cards for the rooms the should have access to .. and don't you want something to prevent crazy classmates from getting in?
A couple SWAT team members in trouble because they answered the call and went in without being told to...
boxcar
04-07-2018, 02:10 PM
Here's a bright lad who gets it! He's a naturalized citizen who hailed from Venezuela.
Florida school shooting hero blames sheriff, superintendent
https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-school-shooting-hero-blames-sheriff-superintendent-224054106.html
I don't think we'll be seeing or hearing too much about him on CNN. In fact, they're probably already wishing that he was one of the fatalities.
chadk66
04-07-2018, 04:35 PM
with cards or pushbuttons? I could only imagine students carrying 10 cards for the rooms the should have access to .. and don't you want something to prevent crazy classmates from getting in?
A couple SWAT team members in trouble because they answered the call and went in without being told to...Strictly outside entrances. And they don't need access to more than two doors.
woodtoo
04-24-2018, 07:06 PM
Coral Springs Police report reveal Broward Coward Police Force: Coral Springs Police Officer Bryan Wilkins account:
"I saw approximately four Broward County Sheriff's Office vehicles parked in the west bound lane with their personal taking up exterior positions behind their vehicles," Wilkins wrote. " I drove up just west of the campus building 1200, exited my vehicle, grabbed my AR-15 rifle and donned on my tactical/medical gear. As I was advancing on foot through the chain-link fence, I was advised by an unknown BSO Deputy taking cover behind a tree " he is on the third floor".
source 'The Last Refuge'
The big question is, were they ordered to stand down.
boxcar
04-24-2018, 07:27 PM
Coral Springs Police report reveal Broward Coward Police Force: Coral Springs Police Officer Bryan Wilkins account:
"I saw approximately four Broward County Sheriff's Office vehicles parked in the west bound lane with their personal taking up exterior positions behind their vehicles," Wilkins wrote. " I drove up just west of the campus building 1200, exited my vehicle, grabbed my AR-15 rifle and donned on my tactical/medical gear. As I was advancing on foot through the chain-link fence, I was advised by an unknown BSO Deputy taking cover behind a tree " he is on the third floor".
source 'The Last Refuge'
The big question is, were they ordered to stand down.
And the BSO guy didn't even tell the CS police officer..."Hey, we've got your back."
Since there were so many BSO guys there all hiding in unison behind their vehicles far away from the action, I have to think they were indeed acting on orders from above.
Clocker
04-25-2018, 12:26 PM
There is another side
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2018/03/09/parkland-student-kashuv-urges-passage-of-new-bipartisan-legislation-n2459262
The article above is about Parkland shooting survivor Kyle Kashuv's visit to Washington, including a meeting with the president.
Recently, Kyle visited a gun range with his father, where he fired an AR-15. He tweeted about the experience, and continued to support the 2nd Amendment.
Subsequently, Kyle was called out of class, told to report to the office, and questioned by the school resource officer and a Broward County Deputy over these tweets in what he described as a rude and condescending interrogation.
Near the end of third period, my teacher got a call from the office saying I need to go down and see a Mr. Greenleaf. I didn’t know Mr. Greenleaf, but it turned out that he was an armed school resource officer. I went down and found him, and he escorted me to his office. Then a second security officer walked in and sat behind me. Both began questioning me intensely. First, they began berating my tweet, although neither of them had read it; then they began aggressively asking questions about who I went to the range with, whose gun we used, about my father, etc. They were incredibly condescending and rude.
Then a third officer from the Broward County Sheriff’s Office walked in, and began asking me the same questions again. At that point, I asked whether I could record the interview. They said no. I asked if I had done anything wrong. Again, they answered no. I asked why I was there. One said, “Don’t get snappy with me, do you not remember what happened here a few months ago?”
They continued to question me aggressively, though they could cite nothing I had done wrong. They kept calling me “the pro-Second Amendment kid.” I was shocked and honestly, scared. It definitely felt like they were attempting to intimidate me.
Apparently the 2nd Amendment is on life support in Coward County.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/29790/breaking-anti-gun-control-parkland-survivor-kyle-daily-wire
JustRalph
04-25-2018, 02:27 PM
He should sue for unlawful detention
I'm sure the ACLU will be all over this. The kid's civil rights were obviously infringed upon.
upthecreek
05-16-2018, 05:13 PM
http://time.com/5279039/scot-peterson-parkland-pension/
davew
05-17-2018, 12:54 AM
pensions are going to have to go, you can't have everyone work for a government entity.
JustRalph
06-14-2018, 10:09 AM
https://hotair.com/archives/2018/06/13/broward-police-union-puts-another-billboard-calling-firing-sheriff-scott-israel/
Playing hard ball
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