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PaceAdvantage
01-27-2018, 12:34 PM
Nobody has posted about this yet?

http://www.drf.com/news/nyra-racing-secretary-salvato-ruled-grounds

Tom
01-27-2018, 01:07 PM
Well, some of the recent cards have been criminal! :rolleyes:

Tom
01-27-2018, 01:25 PM
Like the miserable excuse of a race for the opener.
Looks to me like there are not a lot of horses in that condition looking for races - why bother carding it to begin with?

A few more should be escorted off the grounds.

Fager Fan
01-27-2018, 05:51 PM
Nobody has posted about this yet?

http://www.drf.com/news/nyra-racing-secretary-salvato-ruled-grounds

That's a big deal. I assume we'll hear why at some point.

On another note, a "spokesman" actually put together this quote?

Though no reason was given, NYRA spokesman Pat McKenna said Salvato has “been trespassed from NYRA properties as of Jan. 25. As it is a personnel matter, we won’t be commenting any further.”

AltonKelsey
01-27-2018, 07:44 PM
They had trouble filling the Thurs card, wonder if that's related to this.

JustRalph
01-27-2018, 08:22 PM
That's a big deal. I assume we'll hear why at some point.

On another note, a "spokesman" actually put together this quote?

Though no reason was given, NYRA spokesman Pat McKenna said Salvato has “been trespassed from NYRA properties as of Jan. 25. As it is a personnel matter, we won’t be commenting any further.”

I believe that’s a localized legal term. It means he has been warned not to enter any properties or he will face trespassing charges. Here in Texas it’s called a “trespass warning”

It was the same in Ohio. I’ve had to give a few in the presence of an officer here in Texas. They note it in their computer system for future reference. You can also do it by certified mail etc. in NY I’ve heard it referred to as being “trespassed”

Fager Fan
01-27-2018, 08:35 PM
I believe that’s a localized legal term. It means he has been warned not to enter any properties or he will face trespassing charges. Here in Texas it’s called a “trespass warning”

It was the same in Ohio. I’ve had to give a few in the presence of an officer here in Texas. They note it in their computer system for future reference. You can also do it by certified mail etc. in NY I’ve heard it referred to as being “trespassed”

Interesting. I've never heard of it in that manner. I stand corrected.

Afleet
01-28-2018, 01:09 AM
Well, some of the recent cards have been criminal! :rolleyes:

:lol:

castaway01
01-28-2018, 10:12 AM
They had trouble filling the Thurs card, wonder if that's related to this.

If every racing official who couldn't fill a racecard these days was locked up, they'd have to build a lot more prisons...

upthecreek
01-28-2018, 01:04 PM
https://twitter.com/WorldClassTout/status/957130405639016448

thaskalos
01-28-2018, 01:23 PM
Though no reason was given, NYRA spokesman Pat McKenna said Salvato has “been trespassed from NYRA properties as of Jan. 25. As it is a personnel matter, we won’t be commenting any further.”

Why should the NYRA comment any further on this? This isn't any business of the betting customer who keeps this game alive. :rolleyes:

Fager Fan
01-28-2018, 03:20 PM
Why should the NYRA comment any further on this? This isn't any business of the betting customer who keeps this game alive. :rolleyes:

It could well be the business of the owners, the most important customer in the sport. :rolleyes:

When a top employee doesn't just get fired but banned from all their tracks, then it's likely this wasn't a small mistake he made but instead something quite wrong and purposeful.

JustRalph
01-28-2018, 04:16 PM
I want to know more about the database?

Tom
01-28-2018, 07:09 PM
Why should the NYRA comment any further on this? This isn't any business of the betting customer who keeps this game alive. :rolleyes:

Hopefully the authorities took all the cards he put together for this week with them! :lol:

lamboguy
01-28-2018, 07:11 PM
the people that access to the computer at the racing secretary's office had a big edge. they knew who was entering in a race and if they thought they couldn't beat a horse they would hold off on entering their horse and wait for a softer spot. things like this can happen when the purses are this big. i am sure this goes on in other places too.

Tom
01-28-2018, 07:15 PM
Better than dope and can't be tested for.
If this is it, fry the bastard.

thaskalos
01-28-2018, 07:16 PM
It could well be the business of the owners, the most important customer in the sport. :rolleyes:

When a top employee doesn't just get fired but banned from all their tracks, then it's likely this wasn't a small mistake he made but instead something quite wrong and purposeful.

As long as this "business" is kept a secret from the fool on the grandstand...then the NYRA is doing its job. :ThmbUp:

Fager Fan
01-28-2018, 08:03 PM
As long as this "business" is kept a secret from the fool on the grandstand...then the NYRA is doing its job. :ThmbUp:

That makes no sense. I can agree with you calling bettors fools, but why do you assume the reason the person responsible for writing races getting banned from NYRA tracks is something that shouldn't be released?

davew
01-28-2018, 11:59 PM
the people that access to the computer at the racing secretary's office had a big edge. they knew who was entering in a race and if they thought they couldn't beat a horse they would hold off on entering their horse and wait for a softer spot. things like this can happen when the purses are this big. i am sure this goes on in other places too.

Couldn't they just enter and if it looked to tough, scratch and enter again in 3-5 days? or run half a$$ed and make the form look bad for next race?

VigorsTheGrey
01-29-2018, 12:11 AM
the people that access to the computer at the racing secretary's office had a big edge. they knew who was entering in a race and if they thought they couldn't beat a horse they would hold off on entering their horse and wait for a softer spot. things like this can happen when the purses are this big. i am sure this goes on in other places too.

Can't trainers do this anyway just by scratching, or do you have to have a legit reason for scratching...? I know lots of times one half of the entry will scratch for no apparent reason given other than "trainer scratch"...

cj
01-29-2018, 12:12 AM
Can't trainers do this anyway just by scratching, or do you have to have a legit reason for scratching...? I know lots of times one half of the entry will scratch for no apparent reason given other than "trainer scratch"...

There are penalties for scratching outside of stakes racing.

VigorsTheGrey
01-29-2018, 12:15 AM
There are penalties for scratching outside of stakes racing.Like what kind...monetary, days...? The devil is in the details:)

lamboguy
01-29-2018, 12:19 AM
Like what kind...monetary, days...? The devil is in the details:)usually you have to wait 10 days before you can re-enter for a race. every racing office honors it too.

VigorsTheGrey
01-29-2018, 12:23 AM
usually you have to wait 10 days before you can re-enter for a race. every racing office honors it too.
Thanks for the info..good to know...also, if you are listed as an also-eligible and there is a scratch lower down, does the racing office give you the option of running or not to run...?

ultracapper
01-29-2018, 12:32 AM
There are penalties for scratching outside of stakes racing.

Barry Abrams must have paid them monthly. When he had a sharp horse, if he didn't like the field, he'd be gone, and 3 days later, be entered again.

It was a killer angle years ago.

Edit: Just read a post about 10 days to re-enter. I can guarantee you that wasn't the case in Cal. 10 years ago. Either that, or it didn't apply to Barry Abrams........which might be the case. Guy had his fingers in everything down there it seemed.

outofthebox
01-29-2018, 07:25 AM
usually you have to wait 10 days before you can re-enter for a race. every racing office honors it too.In Louisiana it's 3 days starting the following day. Often in NY you see a trainer have two starters in a short field, and scratch one to let the race go. It is so blatantly obvious what the intentions were at entry time, yet the office took the entry anyway. Same culprits do it all the time.

GMB@BP
01-29-2018, 11:13 AM
usually you have to wait 10 days before you can re-enter for a race. every racing office honors it too.

How does Linda Rice run a horse?

cj
01-29-2018, 11:28 AM
How does Linda Rice run a horse?

I guess she just waits it out. She certainly scratches way, way more than your typical trainer.

onefast99
01-29-2018, 01:17 PM
Why should the NYRA comment any further on this? This isn't any business of the betting customer who keeps this game alive. :rolleyes:
This now makes him eligible to be employed at Penn right?

onefast99
01-29-2018, 01:19 PM
usually you have to wait 10 days before you can re-enter for a race. every racing office honors it too.NYRA is a bit more lenient due to weather conditions etc especially in the winter months.

AltonKelsey
01-29-2018, 05:57 PM
If every racing official who couldn't fill a racecard these days was locked up, they'd have to build a lot more prisons...

:kiss: Was suggesting they had trouble filling the card AFTER the guy was walked out (confusion , hair on fire, that kind of stuff), not that it was the reason for the dismissal. lol

toddbowker
01-29-2018, 06:30 PM
the people that access to the computer at the racing secretary's office had a big edge. they knew who was entering in a race and if they thought they couldn't beat a horse they would hold off on entering their horse and wait for a softer spot. things like this can happen when the purses are this big. i am sure this goes on in other places too.A good agent would know this without needing the InCompass system or a racing official telling them. Paying for that access just meant they were lazy. Every place I've ever worked there were at least 3-5 agents that were dialed in like that.

Coincidentally they also usually had the leading riders. Go figure.

AltonKelsey
01-29-2018, 07:11 PM
I can see where sharp agents would have a good idea, but you mean to say they can know EVERY horse entered in every race? Doubt it.

Having the actual data would still be an edge.

lamboguy
01-29-2018, 07:22 PM
just an example, if a trainer has a starter allowance horse that has won his last 3 races, he probably is going to wait until the very last minute to enter his horse because he wants the race to go and the last thing he wants are other trainer's withdrawing their horses so the race won't go. if entries close at 11:00 a.m. he is entering that horse at 10:59. it happened all the time with RAPID REDUX and a horse that Asmussen had about 7 years ago that won a bunch of those races too. he was running that horse twice a week at different tracks.

VigorsTheGrey
01-29-2018, 07:37 PM
So what does a jockey agent's work day look like...? What do they do...? If I was an agent how would I organize my day....?

PaceAdvantage
01-29-2018, 07:41 PM
That makes no sense. I can agree with you calling bettors fools, but why do you assume the reason the person responsible for writing races getting banned from NYRA tracks is something that shouldn't be released?Pretty sure he was being very sarcastic.

Fager Fan
01-29-2018, 07:58 PM
Pretty sure he was being very sarcastic.

As was I. :p

mountainman
01-29-2018, 09:47 PM
A good agent would know this without needing the InCompass system or a racing official telling them. Paying for that access just meant they were lazy. Every place I've ever worked there were at least 3-5 agents that were dialed in like that.

Coincidentally they also usually had the leading riders. Go figure.

Sharp post. Really good agents are supernaturally wired in. Some can tell ME about my rundown. They network, they scheme, they share info, and they conspire. NO successful agent is an island.

And to most, inside info of this sort would amount to a mere set of training wheels.

Nobody from EITHER side of the counter involved in this is a mental wizard.

Fager Fan
01-29-2018, 11:43 PM
Sharp post. Really good agents are supernaturally wired in. Some can tell ME about my rundown. They network, they scheme, they share info, and they conspire. NO successful agent is an island.

And to most, inside info of this sort would amount to a mere set of training wheels.

Nobody from EITHER side of the counter involved in this is a mental wizard.

Maybe all this is true, but it doesn't mean that everyone has access to every agent's gossip. I've never heard of anyone who knows all who will be entered in a regular race (non-stake), though you can make a good guess about horses on the grounds meeting the condition and returning the next time the condition rolls around.

mountainman
01-30-2018, 12:03 AM
Maybe all this is true, but it doesn't mean that everyone has access to every agent's gossip. I've never heard of anyone who knows all who will be entered in a regular race (non-stake), though you can make a good guess about horses on the grounds meeting the condition and returning the next time the condition rolls around.

They have their ways. And I've at NUMEROUS times had arrogant agents regale ME with a recitation of every horse entered in a specific race. They can be incredibly resourceful and, again, communicate and share info (sometimes from track to track) to a much greater extent than players realize.

Trust me, sir. I do have some experience in these matters.

jay68802
01-30-2018, 12:10 AM
Funny thing, is at Fonner Park we always say if you see one jockey agent, look again, because there will be another one talking to him shortly.

Fager Fan
01-30-2018, 02:00 AM
They have their ways. And I've at NUMEROUS times had arrogant agents regale ME with a recitation of every horse entered in a specific race. They can be incredibly resourceful and, again, communicate and share info (sometimes from track to track) to a much greater extent than players realize.

Trust me, sir. I do have some experience in these matters.

That misses my point. Let's say some agent can tell you that. That doesn't mean the agent is giving the same list to every trainer on the grounds. This whole thing isn't about providing some agent with the info, but a trainer. The trainer is tending to his own horses. He's not going from barn to barn asking trainers which horses he's sending where and how might his rider fit in.

Bottom line, it's an advantage to the trainer to be able to access this information, despite what some super agents may know, don't you think?

mountainman
01-30-2018, 02:23 AM
That misses my point. Let's say some agent can tell you that. That doesn't mean the agent is giving the same list to every trainer on the grounds. This whole thing isn't about providing some agent with the info, but a trainer. The trainer is tending to his own horses. He's not going from barn to barn asking trainers which horses he's sending where and how might his rider fit in.

Bottom line, it's an advantage to the trainer to be able to access this information, despite what some super agents may know, don't you think?

To some extent, sure.Agents never stop sucking up to trainers. My guess is the agents ensnared here sealed their own fate by crowing about inside access.

I once banned an agent (permanently) from participating in the draw because he was boasting about palming pills. I don't think he even HAD the nerve or dexterity to do this-but he certainly wanted horsemen to THINK he did.

And, on a deeper, even slimier level, some jocks are impressed by agents who provide certain extra services. It can be an incestuous quagmire.

lamboguy
01-30-2018, 09:11 AM
To some extent, sure.Agents never stop sucking up to trainers. My guess is the agents ensnared here sealed their own fate by crowing about inside access.

I once banned an agent (permanently) from participating in the draw because he was boasting about palming pills. I don't think he even HAD the nerve or dexterity to do this-but he certainly wanted horsemen to THINK he did.

And, on a deeper, even slimier level, some jocks are impressed by agents who provide certain extra services. It can be an incestuous quagmire.he might have been palming pills. i knew a guy at Suffolk years ago that never drew the inside on sprint races years ago. you could almost bet your money he was getting the outside post. that was Johnnie Prince, he along with another trainer Dave Monaci never met a doughnut they didn't love.

MonmouthParkJoe
01-30-2018, 09:21 AM
Most agents I know are on the backside and in the racing office all the time. By virtue of just being there, you will hear and see a lot.

That being said, if you are really following the meet and in tune with the horse population/who was running where/condition book, add in some workouts, you can pretty accurately get an idea of who is running in 90% of the races being drawn. Add to that, they share a ton of information and have insight into what trainer is entering who.

I agree with the previous comment, while it is an edge, its not a huge one by any means. Do the work and you wont need it.

mountainman
01-30-2018, 12:24 PM
Most agents I know are on the backside and in the racing office all the time. By virtue of just being there, you will hear and see a lot.

That being said, if you are really following the meet and in tune with the horse population/who was running where/condition book, add in some workouts, you can pretty accurately get an idea of who is running in 90% of the races being drawn. Add to that, they share a ton of information and have insight into what trainer is entering who.

I agree with the previous comment, while it is an edge, its not a huge one by any means. Do the work and you wont need it.

Agents are brazen, relentless eavesdroppers. If permitted, some will stand at the counter for hours with their ears pricked.

MonmouthParkJoe
01-30-2018, 04:13 PM
Agents are brazen, relentless eavesdroppers. If permitted, some will stand at the counter for hours with their ears pricked.

Used to drive me nuts, literally the entire day just standing there. Couldn't agree more.

dilanesp
01-30-2018, 05:04 PM
NYRA has corruption problems.

In other news, grass is green.

Fager Fan
01-30-2018, 06:12 PM
NYRA has corruption problems.

In other news, grass is green.

We're talking about the incompass issue, but I think that sec was fired over it, and this was the replacement. We don't know why he was fired and banned from their properties.

PaceAdvantage
01-31-2018, 12:02 AM
NYRA has corruption problems.

In other news, grass is green.Better have the state take over and watch them like a hawk...oh wait a minute...what? :lol:

Prioress Ply
01-31-2018, 03:36 AM
Better have the state take over and watch them like a hawk...oh wait a minute...what? :lol:

Nothing to see here folks not a problem. Move along.

Tom
01-31-2018, 12:50 PM
Actually, tracks should have to be certified to a specific industry standard just like manufacturing plants or hospitals or others do - ie, the ISO standards. This is not state telling them how to run the places, just them place proving that they conform to standards in place to protect their customers. No certificate, no racing.

Looking at something as basic as timing races tells me the industry is totally out of control and run be incompetent people. Just making $$$ is NOT an acceptable criteria for competence.

The world lives by adhering to acceptable standards and verifying that they do to third parties.

thaskalos
01-31-2018, 01:42 PM
I think most will agree that the racing secretary performs one of the most important jobs in this game. Consequently, when such an important person is fired and banned from the track, then this is the sort of perplexing development that the betting customer should be fully informed about...given the game's already tarnished reputation. By refusing to comment on this issue, the NYRA is arrogantly telling the customer to just "shut up and bet"...and I don't think the customer should comply. Where are the racing "consumer protection" organizations...now that we need them?

onefast99
01-31-2018, 03:47 PM
Agents are brazen, relentless eavesdroppers. If permitted, some will stand at the counter for hours with their ears pricked.I saw this for the past 15 years at MP from race draw time right thru the first few races every agent is in that office, it never changes.

FantasticDan
01-31-2018, 03:55 PM
I think most will agree that the racing secretary performs one of the most important jobs in this game. Consequently, when such an important person is fired and banned from the track, then this is the sort of perplexing development that the betting customer should be fully informed about...
You would be hard-pressed to find any company or organization that doesn't have strict "no comment" policies in place regarding personnel decisions. You could argue all day with NYRA's attorneys that as a customer you have a right to that information, but I don't think it will get you anywhere.

dilanesp
01-31-2018, 03:55 PM
I think most will agree that the racing secretary performs one of the most important jobs in this game. Consequently, when such an important person is fired and banned from the track, then this is the sort of perplexing development that the betting customer should be fully informed about...given the game's already tarnished reputation. By refusing to comment on this issue, the NYRA is arrogantly telling the customer to just "shut up and bet"...and I don't think the customer should comply. Where are the racing "consumer protection" organizations...now that we need them?

This is basically how I view things.

Plus, NYRA is a public trust which has been granted extraordinary privileges by the government. So even ordinary taxpayers are entitled to a full explanation.

Exotic1
01-31-2018, 04:03 PM
I think most will agree that the racing secretary performs one of the most important jobs in this game. Consequently, when such an important person is fired and banned from the track, then this is the sort of perplexing development that the betting customer should be fully informed about...given the game's already tarnished reputation. By refusing to comment on this issue, the NYRA is arrogantly telling the customer to just "shut up and bet"...and I don't think the customer should comply. Where are the racing "consumer protection" organizations...now that we need them?

The suspension probably has nothing to do with the consumer. Most likely related to a library book he didn't return years ago.

mountainman
01-31-2018, 08:24 PM
I saw this for the past 15 years at MP from race draw time right thru the first few races every agent is in that office, it never changes.

I boot the most egregious offenders. But they are slithery and creep back to set up camp again two days later. It's like trying to throw jello.

jay68802
01-31-2018, 08:32 PM
I boot the most egregious offenders. But they are slithery and creep back to set up camp again two days later. It's like trying to throw jello.

:D

I have to add that one to:

Peeing into the wind and trying not to inhale.

PaceAdvantage
01-31-2018, 09:42 PM
Nothing to see here folks not a problem. Move along.Oh my! :pound:

PaceAdvantage
01-31-2018, 09:43 PM
I think most will agree that the racing secretary performs one of the most important jobs in this game. Consequently, when such an important person is fired and banned from the track, then this is the sort of perplexing development that the betting customer should be fully informed about...given the game's already tarnished reputation. By refusing to comment on this issue, the NYRA is arrogantly telling the customer to just "shut up and bet"...and I don't think the customer should comply. Where are the racing "consumer protection" organizations...now that we need them?When's the last time you saw a company comment on an employee that has had this happen to them?

Usually it's "we don't comment on an ongoing investigation" Which is how it should be...otherwise, there is the potential for legal issues for the commenting company...capisce?

PaceAdvantage
01-31-2018, 09:44 PM
This is basically how I view things.

Plus, NYRA is a public trust which has been granted extraordinary privileges by the government. So even ordinary taxpayers are entitled to a full explanation.And you said you were a lawyer, right?

Would you advise NYRA to publicly comment on an ongoing investigation? Really man?

thaskalos
01-31-2018, 10:16 PM
When's the last time you saw a company comment on an employee that has had this happen to them?

Usually it's "we don't comment on an ongoing investigation" Which is how it should be...otherwise, there is the potential for legal issues for the commenting company...capisce?

"As this is a personnel matter, we won't be commenting any further.", NYRA spokesman Pat McKenna said in the link that you posted. Which of course means that the NYRA has no inclination to release further information about this, even when the investigation is "complete". McKenna said nothing about keeping silent because of the "ongoing investigation"; SALVATO was the one who used that excuse...since he couldn't very well be expected to reveal the impropriety that he is charged with.

The NYRA is obviously of the opinion that this is the sort of "personnel decision" that the betting customer should be kept in the dark about. Are you of the same opinion, Mr. PA?

PaceAdvantage
02-01-2018, 12:12 AM
I might be wrong, but most businesses refuse to comment on why someone was let go. They will usually only go so far as to confirm the person actually worked there...

Anyway, I don't see how this is so unusual. If he's charged with a crime, I'm sure we'll all know the reason soon enough.

If he's not charged with a crime, why would the public have a right to know?

JustRalph
02-01-2018, 12:23 AM
I might be wrong, but most businesses refuse to comment on why someone was let go. They will usually only go so far as to confirm the person actually worked there...

Anyway, I don't see how this is so unusual. If he's charged with a crime, I'm sure we'll all know the reason soon enough.

If he's not charged with a crime, why would the public have a right to know?

Does NYRA get public funds? That would be the only reason.

jay68802
02-01-2018, 12:37 AM
If what happened affected the racing in New York, or was illegal, the public has a right to know. If not, there is no reason for it to be released.

Fager Fan
02-01-2018, 01:12 AM
I might be wrong, but most businesses refuse to comment on why someone was let go. They will usually only go so far as to confirm the person actually worked there...

Anyway, I don't see how this is so unusual. If he's charged with a crime, I'm sure we'll all know the reason soon enough.

If he's not charged with a crime, why would the public have a right to know?

This person wasn't just fired. He was banned from stepping foot on the NYRA properties. That indicates, at least to me, that something improper either happened or was suspected. Maybe it was entirely personal, like he lost his temper and slugged a jockey agent in the nose. That's likely to end up in Indian Charlie, but you're right then, we don't need to know that or have really the right to know that.

But given his position and how it could've affected bettors, trainers, and owners, I do think they are in a position to clarify at least if what happened did or did not affect them in any way.

thaskalos
02-01-2018, 01:13 AM
Does NYRA get public funds? That would be the only reason.

What about the fact that the betting public has wagered many millions of dollars on the cards that this person has put together? Does this demand some sort of "explanation" about his sudden dismissal...and banning from the grounds?

PaceAdvantage
02-01-2018, 01:23 AM
Shouldn't our esteemed racing media outlets all across the country and on the web be investigating this and have the answer by now?

Shouldn't The Paulick Report have cracked this case by now?

I mean, it's not like a racing office is the height of national security...somebody is bound to talk...maybe they haven't been asked?

thaskalos
02-01-2018, 01:32 AM
Shouldn't our esteemed racing media outlets all across the country and on the web be investigating this and have the answer by now?

Shouldn't The Paulick Report have cracked this case by now?

I mean, it's not like a racing office is the height of national security...somebody is bound to talk...maybe they haven't been asked?

And for a moment...you had me thinking that you were serious about this.

dilanesp
02-01-2018, 03:24 AM
Does NYRA get public funds? That would be the only reason.

NYRA has lost several court cases where they argued they aren't part of the government. As far as the law is concerned, they are absolutely a public agency.

Which means what private businesses do is irrelevant here. If NYRA thinks that the New York tracks should be subject to the rules of the private sector,, all they have to do is disband and allow the tracks to be sold to one.

NYRA, however, owes the public an explanation.

dilanesp
02-01-2018, 03:27 AM
And you said you were a lawyer, right?

Would you advise NYRA to publicly comment on an ongoing investigation? Really man?

If you mean as to why they ruled him off the grounds, they should be REQUIRED to comment, whether it exposes them to liability or not. They are a public agency.

rastajenk
02-01-2018, 08:48 AM
Even employees of public agencies have some rights.

I'm not buying this need-to-know business; it sounds like yet another whine about yet another example of past results perhaps deviating from expected expectations, therefore the customer is getting screwed and deserves an answer.

The truth will probably emerge eventually, or it may not. Makes no difference.

onefast99
02-01-2018, 02:29 PM
NYRA has lost several court cases where they argued they aren't part of the government. As far as the law is concerned, they are absolutely a public agency.

Which means what private businesses do is irrelevant here. If NYRA thinks that the New York tracks should be subject to the rules of the private sector,, all they have to do is disband and allow the tracks to be sold to one.

NYRA, however, owes the public an explanation.If you were representing this client would you like it if NYRA released any information before you had the chance to know the facts that led to your clients dismissal?

thaskalos
02-01-2018, 02:44 PM
If you were representing this client would you like it if NYRA released any information before you had the chance to know the facts that led to your clients dismissal?

IMO...the only ones who don't "know the facts" behind Salvato's dismissal are the BETTORS. And the NYRA would like it to remain this way.

dilanesp
02-01-2018, 03:14 PM
If you were representing this client would you like it if NYRA released any information before you had the chance to know the facts that led to your clients dismissal?

There's a difference between ruling off the grounds and prosecution.

This is the ACLU's position on no fly lists and I think it is correct. When the government bars you from doing something they shoud have to tell you and the public why, whatever the effect on ongoing investigatioms.

onefast99
02-01-2018, 05:17 PM
There's a difference between ruling off the grounds and prosecution.

This is the ACLU's position on no fly lists and I think it is correct. When the government bars you from doing something they should have to tell you and the public why, whatever the effect on ongoing investigations.
There has to be more to this story, thank you for the info thus far.

stuball
02-02-2018, 12:20 PM
Maybe we should have the FBI tap his phone...they are really good at that sort of thing...or maybe they did already

Rutgers
02-02-2018, 04:43 PM
NYRA has lost several court cases where they argued they aren't part of the government. As far as the law is concerned, they are absolutely a public agency.



Several court cases? I am not familiar with even one case where NYRA was ruled a government agency. Since the NYRA Bankruptcy was a Chapter 11 Bankruptcy, and not Chapter 9, it should be pretty clear that NYRA is not a government agency as government agencies can not file under Chapter 11.

(as a side note, because NYRA is not a government agency, Mr. Salvato is not required to file a Notice of Claim within 90 days and be subjected to an Examination Under Oath should he wish to pursue a claim/litigation against NYRA over this matter. In this case, it would probably be more advantageous for NYRA if they were a government agency, but they are not.)

cj
02-02-2018, 05:21 PM
http://www.drf.com/news/gaming-commission-investigating-linda-rice

GMB@BP
02-02-2018, 05:34 PM
Of all the trainers who take advantage of the entry box and scratch rules this is probably the least shocking of possible culprits.

toddbowker
02-02-2018, 05:34 PM
Barring an employment contract or other agreement (union, for example) which prevents it, employers are generally not restricted from commenting on why someone was fired, as long as it's truthful.

Having said that, most employers in this litigious society don't. No one wants to take a chance that they will get sued for defamation if the employee doesn't like what was said, or in many cases the HR department might not even know if the company is large and it's a right to work State.

For an employee that was terminated, unless it was a simple layoff of an otherwise good employee, the most I would ever divulge is confirmation they worked for me, and what their job title was.

Otherwise, it's always the stock line "we don't comment on personnel matters".

cj
02-02-2018, 05:34 PM
Of all the trainers who take advantage of the entry box and scratch rules this is probably the least shocking of possible culprits.

And she still scratches about 3x more than your average trainer, at least as of a year ago.

dilanesp
02-02-2018, 06:04 PM
Several court cases? I am not familiar with even one case where NYRA was ruled a government agency. Since the NYRA Bankruptcy was a Chapter 11 Bankruptcy, and not Chapter 9, it should be pretty clear that NYRA is not a government agency as government agencies can not file under Chapter 11.

(as a side note, because NYRA is not a government agency, Mr. Salvato is not required to file a Notice of Claim within 90 days and be subjected to an Examination Under Oath should he wish to pursue a claim/litigation against NYRA over this matter. In this case, it would probably be more advantageous for NYRA if they were a government agency, but they are not.)

Galvin v. New York Racing Ass'n,*70 F.Supp.2d 163, 173 (E.D.N.Y. 1998) ("The property interest in these state-issued licenses cannot be infringed by a state body, including the NYRA"); Saumell v. New York Racing Ass'n, 58 N.Y.2d 231, 237 (1983) ("NYRA concedes for the purposes of this proceeding that its exclusion of petitioner constitutes `State action.'"); Halpern v. Lomenzo, 367 N.Y.S.2d 653 (N.Y. Sup. Ct. 1975) ("The State has so far insinuated itself into a position of interdependence with [NYRA] . . . that it must be recognized as a joint participant in the challenged activity, which, on that account, cannot be considered to have been so purely private as to fall without the scope of the Fourteenth Amendment.").

I remember two other cases, Stevens and Alvarez, which held the same thing, but I am on my phone and couldn't pull it up.

NYRA is a state actor. They are also, as I said, a public trust, as the government excluded the private sector to give them the right to conduct racing at the tracks.