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Clocker
01-23-2018, 02:03 AM
The Supreme Court voted 7-2 to decline to hear an appeal of a 9th Circus Court ruling on a California law on concealed carry.

The California law states that concealed carry permits would not be issued to anyone unless they could prove to local officials that they faced some level of danger above and beyond that of the average citizen. Challenges to the law said that law-abiding gun owners in in San Diego, Los Angeles and the San Francisco Bay area found it difficult if not impossible to meet the criteria demanded by local authorities. Hard to believe, the 9th Circus rejected the challenge to the law.

Justices Thomas and Gorsuch filed a written dissent to the ruling, unusual when the Court declines to hear an appeal.

https://hotair.com/archives/2017/06/26/scotus-deals-blow-second-amendment-peruta-v-california/

chadk66
01-23-2018, 08:50 AM
the solution for them is really easy. move the hell out of that shit hole

Tom
01-23-2018, 11:45 AM
Doesn't just living in the S-Hole state meet the criteria they want???

Clocker
01-23-2018, 12:06 PM
Doesn't just living in the S-Hole state meet the criteria they want???

Only in the real world.

In the Peoples Republic of California, the local authorities are no doubt correct under the law. It would be difficult for anyone to prove that they faced some level of danger above and beyond that of the average citizen, given that the main source of danger is the government.

Tom
01-23-2018, 12:28 PM
Sad the Kourt got is so wrong.
What causes people to be so totally stupid?

biggestal99
01-23-2018, 02:20 PM
Sad the Kourt got is so wrong.
What causes people to be so totally stupid?

The 9th Court was right this out. SCOTUS agreeing says so.

7-2 is an overwhelming rejection of the writ.

sorry them is the facts.

concealed carry of a firearm is NOT a right.

Allan

boxcar
01-23-2018, 03:22 PM
The 9th Court was right this out. SCOTUS agreeing says so.

7-2 is an overwhelming rejection of the writ.

sorry them is the facts.

concealed carry of a firearm is NOT a right.

Allan

Have you ever actually read the Second Amendment?

delayjf
01-23-2018, 03:36 PM
Here in Missouri and Kansas, you don't even need a permit to carry a concealed weapon, you just need to be able to legally to own the gun.:headbanger:

mostpost
01-23-2018, 03:46 PM
Have you ever actually read the Second Amendment?
Have you? Especially the part about a "Well regulated militia."

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Let's look at that first phrase. A well regulated militia means a militia under the control of the government, not a bunch of gomers in rural Idaho.

The second phrase speaks to the reason for the amendment which is the security of a free State. You having a gun does nothing to ensure the security of the free State. Not only that but your one-or ten-silly little guns does nothing to protect you from a tyrannical state.

Tom
01-23-2018, 03:55 PM
concealed carry of a firearm is NOT a right.

...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

So it IS legal to carry them openly, so sayeth the Constitution.
OK, so wear them a sidearms.

The court is wrong.
Not unusual.

zico20
01-23-2018, 03:59 PM
Have you? Especially the part about a "Well regulated militia."

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Let's look at that first phrase. A well regulated militia means a militia under the control of the government, not a bunch of gomers in rural Idaho.

The second phrase speaks to the reason for the amendment which is the security of a free State. You having a gun does nothing to ensure the security of the free State. Not only that but your one-or ten-silly little guns does nothing to protect you from a tyrannical state.

If you know any history then you would realize that the founding fathers stated that the people as a whole are the militia. They made it absolutely clear.

boxcar
01-23-2018, 04:18 PM
If you know any history then you would realize that the founding fathers stated that the people as a whole are the militia. They made it absolutely clear.

And the militia was necessary to keep the state honest. :coffee:

woodtoo
01-23-2018, 04:25 PM
If you know any history then you would realize that the founding fathers stated that the people as a whole are the militia. They made it absolutely clear.

He prefers his own history written on small white square sheets in the ladies room.

JustRalph
01-23-2018, 05:29 PM
The 9th Court was right this out. SCOTUS agreeing says so.

7-2 is an overwhelming rejection of the writ.

sorry them is the facts.

concealed carry of a firearm is NOT a right.

Allan

Come and take it

Clocker
01-23-2018, 05:52 PM
Have you? Especially the part about a "Well regulated militia."

Still beating that dead horse, eh? Maybe you should get a gun too.

First, "regulated" at that time did not mean what it largely means today. There is plenty of documentation, which I am not going to post here yet again, that "well regulated" at that time meant in proper working order and functioning the way it should.

Second, it has been well established under law that the second part of the amendment is independent of, and not conditional to, the first part.

Many top liberal law experts who don't like the 2nd Amendment have stated that it is nonetheless an unconditional legal right. For example:

During a recent appearance on Newsmax TV, Harvard Law Professor Emeritus Alan Dershowitz said the Second Amendment is an “absurd thing” in our constitution and that our legal framework needs to be adjusted “to create a presumption against gun ownership instead of a presumption in favor of gun ownership.”

"If I could write the Bill of Rights over again, I would skip amendment number two. We’re the only country in the world that puts in our Constitution the right to bear arms. It’s an absurd thing to be in our Constitution, but it’s in our Constitution. We have to live with it."http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/28/alan-dershowitz-2nd-amendment-an-absurd-thing-in-our-constitution/

FantasticDan
01-23-2018, 06:03 PM
Come and take it:D All it would take is one humvee rumbling down your road and you'd give it up faster than a Saigon whore :ThmbUp:

Clocker
01-23-2018, 06:08 PM
The 9th Court was right this out. SCOTUS agreeing says so.

SCOTUS didn't agree. 7 Justices voted not to review the 9th Circus clown act at this time. As usual in not accepting an appeal, the majority did not issue any comment on the issue.

Despite strong rulings for ownership rights in recent years, the Court has always avoided ruling on the details of the extent of gun ownership rights, including concealed carry. This is yet another example of deciding not to decide.

SCOTUS has long avoided addressing this issue, which in effect leaves the matter up to the states. I'm guessing that most of the snowflakes on the Court would prefer to leave it that way.

OntheRail
01-23-2018, 06:30 PM
:D All it would take is one humvee rumbling down your road and you'd give it up faster than a Saigon whore :ThmbUp:

Project much... you do.

JustRalph
01-23-2018, 06:44 PM
:D All it would take is one humvee rumbling down your road and you'd give it up faster than a Saigon whore :ThmbUp:

You’re funny Danny........

You Libs believe that the military would be willing to disarm the American public. Keep dreaming.....

Btw, my response above went right over your head I guess. It’s the appropriate response to gun grabbers. It goes back a few years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Come_and_take_it

You see it on bumper stickers in red states.......it’s very popular here in Texas

jay68802
01-23-2018, 06:52 PM
Forget about concealing then, put your gun in a holster and keep it in plain sight.

NJ Stinks
01-23-2018, 07:21 PM
Maybe I'll spend some money on a California vacation. The place has a certain sane appeal. :ThmbUp:

boxcar
01-23-2018, 08:00 PM
Maybe I'll spend some money on a California vacation. The place has a certain sane appeal. :ThmbUp:

For very modestly priced accommodations, I would heartily recommend Tent City in downtown L.A. or Poop City in downtown San Fran. This latter city will even provide you with a map to make sure you don't get lost in anything. Either city should have everlasting appeal to you. :coffee:

MONEY
01-23-2018, 08:31 PM
Maybe I'll spend some money on a California vacation. The place has a certain sane appeal. :ThmbUp:
You might want to steer clear of Disneyland.

DACA recipients temporarily block Disneyland entrance

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-disneyland-daca-protest-20180122-story.html

elysiantraveller
01-23-2018, 08:46 PM
Have you? Especially the part about a "Well regulated militia."

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Well regulated meant equipped, capable, and practiced. The term was a borrowed meaning; citizens were hoped to perform up to the capability of a standard British Regular.

Unfortunately, for you, the term means the exact opposite you want it to in this context.

lamboguy
01-23-2018, 08:47 PM
i really wonder who cares what the Supreme Court decides these days. the way the streets are, do they really think they are going to stop someone from carrying a weapon?

NJ Stinks
01-23-2018, 08:52 PM
For very modestly priced accommodations, I would heartily recommend Tent City in downtown L.A. or Poop City in downtown San Fran. This latter city will even provide you with a map to make sure you don't get lost in anything. Either city should have everlasting appeal to you. :coffee:

In years gone by I spent quite a bit of time in and around Tin City in Naples, Florida. But we decided for good reason to stop spending our money in Florida. Hope you don't miss our tourist tax money too much. :popcorn:

NJ Stinks
01-23-2018, 08:59 PM
You might want to steer clear of Disneyland.

DACA recipients temporarily block Disneyland entrance

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-disneyland-daca-protest-20180122-story.html

15 or 20 people protest and the protest was peaceful according to a Disney spokeswoman in the article linked.

MONEY
01-23-2018, 09:44 PM
In years gone by I spent quite a bit of time in and around Tin City in Naples, Florida. But we decided for good reason to stop spending our money in Florida. Hope you don't miss our tourist tax money too much. :popcorn:

I lived in Florida for 10 years and had to homeschool my children.
The amount of drugs and peer pressure and threats on my kids to use drugs was insane.

I still support the Florida Sheriffs and from the literature that they send to me,
child pornography is a major problem all around Florida.

BTW I'm all for the DACA people getting permanent residency but only citizenship for those
that serve honorably in the military and maybe civil service.

biggestal99
01-24-2018, 06:16 AM
Have you ever actually read the Second Amendment?

Says the right to bear arms shall not be infringed.

Says nothing about guns concealed on a person.

Therefore 9 was right confirmed by SCOTUS.

Geez it’s not that difficult.

There is a difference between bearing arms (a right) and concealed carry (not a right)

Allan

biggestal99
01-24-2018, 06:20 AM
i really wonder who cares what the Supreme Court decides these days. the way the streets are, do they really think they are going to stop someone from carrying a weapon?

Very few unlicensed concealed carry in NYC. NYPD frowns upon it

I don’t where you live and work, but the streets of NYC are relatively low crime.

Allan

biggestal99
01-24-2018, 06:22 AM
For very modestly priced accommodations, I would heartily recommend Tent City in downtown L.A. or Poop City in downtown San Fran. This latter city will even provide you with a map to make sure you don't get lost in anything. Either city should have everlasting appeal to you. :coffee:

Been to Callie many a time for bc and other personal reasons.

Nary a problem.

Allan