Patriots vs Eagles

[jocko699]

Who do you like to win the SB?

[Racetrack Playa]

I like the Vikings, is the game on delay:)

[jocko699]

I like the Vikings, is the game on delay:)

What game? Vikings are getting killed in Philly.

[horses4courses]

Patriots have to be favorite.
Somewhere between 3.5 and 7 - total 48.


I'm wrong all the time, though. :lol:

Pats -6 is about right, I'm thinkin'

[jocko699]

Patriots have to be favorite.
Somewhere between 3.5 and 7 - total 48.

I'm wrong all the time, though. :lol:

I was thinking Pats open 6.5 points favorite with an over of 51 but what do I know?

[thaskalos]

Patriots have to be favorite.
Somewhere between 3.5 and 7 - total 48.


I'm wrong all the time, though. :lol:

Pats -6 is about right, I'm thinkin'

Anything over 4...and I am taking out a second mortgage on my home.

[horses4courses]

I was thinking Pats open 6.5 points favorite with an over of 51 but what do I know?

I think you're very close.
My total was too low - has to be at least 50.

[burnsy]

I hope you guys are right. Philly had to beat Atlanta and Minnesota. New England had to beat Tennessee and Jacksonville. It almost looks too easy. I hope they get points and they probably have to for an even spread..........I'll be back in action on Philadelphia. If NE is the fave I'll take the points and the money line, vacation time is coming in February.......:D

NE has not even played a team that's this good all year long.

[elysiantraveller]

I mean isn't this the same game as today's early one?

Eagles are better than the Jags in all phases of the game except maybe on the ground but Belichek gets another week to prepare.

[burnsy]

I mean isn't this the same game as today's early one?

Eagles are better than the Jags in all phases of the game except maybe on the ground but Belichek gets another week to prepare.

They are better in every aspect, they would be 15 point faves vs Jacksonville. They are even better on the ground because they throw short passes to their back. Jacksonville is a one trick pony on offense and Bortles can't come close to Foles. People forgot that Foles can air it out he's like the best "back up" in this league. If he was on Jacksonville, he would be the starter. That defense gave up 17 points in the playoffs and 10 of them came off turnovers vs Atlanta. Its not even close between them and Jacksonville. Turnovers are the only way i see them losing.

[lamboguy]

New England Patriots -5 1/2 total 48 1/2

this game t urns out to be a very old owner's rivalry game. Lurie is the Eagle owner and he comes from Newton,Ma. Kraft is from Brookline, Ma. those 2 high schools are one of the oldest Thanksgiving day football rivals in the country.

[jocko699]

I just can't believe you will ever hear "The Super Bowl Winning QB, Nick Foles."

[thaskalos]

I just can't believe you will ever hear "The Super Bowl Winning QB, Nick Foles."

I said the same about hearing "The President of the United States, Donald Trump". But the unlikely sometimes occurs.

[jocko699]

I said the same about hearing "The President of the United States, Donald Trump". But the unlikely sometimes occurs.

Apples and Oranges. POTUS keeps winning and Dick Vermiel ain't around anymore.

[jocko699]

Anything over 4...and I am taking out a second mortgage on my home.

You got your wish, they are 5.5 underdogs. If you need help with a second mortgage my rates are avoidable.

[thaskalos]

Apples and Oranges. POTUS keeps winning and Dick Vermiel ain't around anymore.

No team could have beaten the Eagles today...and a repeat performance two weeks from now is a distinct possibility. Foles started off slowly after Wentz's injury...but he has improved steadily as he has gotten more work. Today, he was near-perfect...against the league's most stifling defense.

I'll take the Eagles against the Pats all day...especially with the spread at 5.5 points.

[pandy]

Bookmaker has the line Patriots -5. Seems like a lot of points, the Eagles are probably more talented, but the Patriots have often beat teams that are faster and more athletic than them. But still, the Eagles just destroyed a very good team, and the Falcons are also very talented. I bet the Eagles already but my NFL picks have been lousy this year.

[jocko699]

No team could have beaten the Eagles today...and a repeat performance two weeks from now is a distinct possibility. Foles started off slowly after Wentz's injury...but he has improved steadily as he has gotten more work. Today, he was near-perfect...against the league's most stifling defense.

I'll take the Eagles against the Pats all day...especially with the spread at 5.5 points.

Well than good luck!!

[pandy]

I just can't believe you will ever hear "The Super Bowl Winning QB, Nick Foles."

Jeff Hosteleter, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams....

[thaskalos]

Well than good luck!!

I appreciate the good wishes. :ThmbUp:

[thaskalos]

Jeff Hosteleter, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams....

And the worst of all...the Peyton Manning of Super Bowl 50.

[elysiantraveller]

No team could have beaten the Eagles today...and a repeat performance two weeks from now is a distinct possibility. Foles started off slowly after Wentz's injury...but he has improved steadily as he has gotten more work. Today, he was near-perfect...against the league's most stifling defense.

I'll take the Eagles against the Pats all day...especially with the spread at 5.5 points.

I agree completely.

Like I said before I see this as just a better jags team. I wouldn't bet the straight if for no other reason but Brady/Bill but you give me more than three points?

Eagle's all day.

[Zaf]

Eagles ! Disgruntled Jets fan :lol:

Z

[cj]

Gotta root for my boy Jim Schwartz! I think the Giants are hiring the wrong defensive coordinator to be their next coach.

[reckless]

Gotta root for my boy Jim Schwartz! I think the Giants are hiring the wrong defensive coordinator to be their next coach.

Correct!! Don't understand why Schwartz wasn't hired by any team, much less the Giants.

[upthecreek]

Gotta root for my boy Jim Schwartz! I think the Giants are hiring the wrong defensive coordinator to be their next coach.

They're going the OC route, hiring Shurmur

[reckless]

They're going the OC route, hiring Shurmur

I know Pat Schumur is respected highly and at the margin is a 'good' hire but, the real problems with the Giants are ... (1) a bad clubhouse. A complete attitude adjustment is needed; (2) they need an offensive line that can block; (3) a running back or two with ability will help big time; (4) a young back-up for Eli Manning is required. Eli is not finished but a rookie QB from UCLA is better than what they have now.

[zico20]

Anything over 4...and I am taking out a second mortgage on my home.

I hope you have a lot of equity built up, the Eagles plus 5.5 is a steal. Borrow as much as you can from your friends and neighbors. Damn, rob a bank if you can get away with it. All in!

[upthecreek]

https://twitter.com/nypostsports/status/955308099774140418

[Ocala Mike]

I just can't believe you will ever hear "The Super Bowl Winning QB, Nick Foles."

Didn't that also apply to Flacco?

Anyway, I'm feeling the Eagles in an upset.

[AndyC]

I hope you have a lot of equity built up, the Eagles plus 5.5 is a steal. Borrow as much as you can from your friends and neighbors. Damn, rob a bank if you can get away with it. All in!

It is a steal, for the bookmakers taking action on the Eagles! Many people are falling into the trap of betting off of one good game for Foles. Kind of like a horse running 15 points better than their lifetime best speed figure. Foles has every reason to regress and little to suggest that he is up to the task of providing the necessary leadership at QB. Philadelphia has a very good team. Solid lines both offensively and defensively. I expect a low scoring game with NE winning in a score of about 24-13. Take NE and the under. You're welcome.

[Robert Fischer]

Jags-Pats: Jacksonville came out swinging and scored an early knockdown. They caught the champs dry and flat-footed. They weren't prepared to finish the fight, and the Patriots were very fortunate to win out with class and experience.


Eagles-Pats: It's a mistake to take the AFC and NFC championship rounds at face value. Eagles are not as good as they looked, Pats are not as bad as they look. Foles is the real deal, and I'm not sure that he isn't better than Wentz. I'm picking the Patriots in a snooze-fest, but I wouldn't be surprised if either team opened up early and dominated. I don't expect a close game in this Super Bowl.


Gronk: So what's the deal? Was he actually so severely concussed that he couldn't continue to play in the 2nd Half of the biggest game to date, or was it 'protocol'? If it's the latter, it is complete bullshit. Every other snap a lineman smacks his head (albeit repeatedly @ 5mph instead of once at 20). Every 5 carries a running back takes a blow to the head. Every 15 plays or so a peripheral player smacks their head into the turf while attempting to make a play... If the rules were universally enforced, we'd need 300 man rosters. If the Gronk concussion was truly unusually severe, there's NO WAY he should be allowed to play in 2 weeks!! However, something tells me he will be 'cleared'...

[burnsy]

It is a steal, for the bookmakers taking action on the Eagles! Many people are falling into the trap of betting off of one good game for Foles. Kind of like a horse running 15 points better than their lifetime best speed figure. Foles has every reason to regress and little to suggest that he is up to the task of providing the necessary leadership at QB. Philadelphia has a very good team. Solid lines both offensively and defensively. I expect a low scoring game with NE winning in a score of about 24-13. Take NE and the under. You're welcome.

Its the opposite, they know every homer, chowder head and fan that can't gauge a football team will bet on Tom Brady. If you gotta squeak by Jacksonville at home and can barely stop Bortles. This team is going to be a handful for you. If Jacksonville can put you on the ropes, if Philly plays their "A" game....this will be a knock out. I already bet while i could, before the whales hammered the spread and lowered it to 5.5 almost Immediatly. They are playing to the public on Super Bowl day. Every fool that hardly bets will make a rare bet that day. It doesn't work every year but they are going to take a shit load on the Patriots in hopes they lose. But the big and smart money went in on that 7 in a flash. Regular folk don't bet right after the bell.

There's no way on Gods green earth I would lay 7 to this team after watching the season and these playoff games. NE will need their luck to even be in this one. They have not faced a team like this yet. The AFC was loaded with pretenders and bad teams. Some of them even made the playoffs. If it weren't the Patriots i would for see a blow out in this game. If they get behind like last year.......there is no coming back against this defense. Sure they can win if Philly screws up, but 7 points on an even playing field ain't going to happen. The people that got in at +7 are feeling pretty good right now. I know i am. What games do people watch? :lol:

It reminds me of the Denver vs Seattle game....."old Peyton Manning, he can't lose." He got his head handed to him and the bookies made about 20 million in Vegas. That's the goal here.

[MutuelClerk]

The Pats have two things no one else has. Best second half adjustments. Officiating.

[burnsy]

This is how they pull it off! Short memories. The spread started higher and waned.


www.espn.com/nfl/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/10399019/super-bowl-xlviii-fans-bet-record-119m-game-nevada-casinos


The exact opposite of what Andy C is preaching! Thanks for nothing!

[Valuist]

Its the opposite, they know every homer, chowder head and fan that can't gauge a football team will bet on Tom Brady. If you gotta squeak by Jacksonville at home and can barely stop Bortles. This team is going to be a handful for you. If Jacksonville can put you on the ropes, if Philly plays their "A" game....this will be a knock out. I already bet while i could, before the whales hammered the spread and lowered it to 5.5 almost Immediatly. They are playing to the public on Super Bowl day. Every fool that hardly bets will make a rare bet that day. It doesn't work every year but they are going to take a shit load on the Patriots in hopes they lose. But the big and smart money went in on that 7 in a flash. Regular folk don't bet right after the bell.

There's no way on Gods green earth I would lay 7 to this team after watching the season and these playoff games. NE will need their luck to even be in this one. They have not faced a team like this yet. The AFC was loaded with pretenders and bad teams. Some of them even made the playoffs. If it weren't the Patriots i would for see a blow out in this game. If they get behind like last year.......there is no coming back against this defense. Sure they can win if Philly screws up, but 7 points on an even playing field ain't going to happen. The people that got in at +7 are feeling pretty good right now. I know i am. What games do people watch? :lol:

It reminds me of the Denver vs Seattle game....."old Peyton Manning, he can't lose." He got his head handed to him and the bookies made about 20 million in Vegas. That's the goal here.

This is a good post.

I think New England has big problems in their secondary. They made Bortles look like the second coming of Joe Montana, and they compounded the problem with bad tackling.

We see so many of these Patriot comebacks, but many times, EVERYTHING has to break just right. They have to convert a 3rd and 18, they have to get a 45 yard PI penalty, they see two key Jax defenders go down with injuries late in the game, and then Amendola does a great tightrope act to come down with the ball in the end zone. I won't rehash everything from last year's Super Bowl; we already know that everything broke perfectly for them.

Philly is the better balanced team.

[burnsy]

This is a good post.

I think New England has big problems in their secondary. They made Bortles look like the second coming of Joe Montana, and they compounded the problem with bad tackling.

We see so many of these Patriot comebacks, but many times, EVERYTHING has to break just right. They have to convert a 3rd and 18, they have to get a 45 yard PI penalty, they see two key Jax defenders go down with injuries late in the game, and then Amendola does a great tightrope act to come down with the ball in the end zone. I won't rehash everything from last year's Super Bowl; we already know that everything broke perfectly for them.

Philly is the better balanced team.


I agree, Patriots do get the best of outcomes but Philly is just better. This notion that Foles isn't good.........he's just gotten better in the playoffs. He pretty much smoked Atlanta too with first downs....didn't people watch that game? The guy has had two 100+ QBR's in a row and led the league with a 119.2 in 2013. He's no bum on a good team. He had a bad season on the Rams when they sucked but he's a damn better QB than people think.....heads and tails better than Bortles has ever proven. People listen to these bafoons on TV. How many bets does Terry Bradshaw win? He's on there saying he can't believe he played that good.....lol Look at his stats.....

http://www.nfl.com/player/nickfoles/2532842/careerstats

Yeah, its awful.....:lol::lol::lol:

[upthecreek]

https://twitter.com/RJinVegas/status/955496824885854209

[cj]

Didn't that also apply to Flacco?

Anyway, I'm feeling the Eagles in an upset.

Ditto Trent Dilfer, and even Jeff Hostetler.

[Secondbest]

All the Pats super bowls are close games. Last year they won by 6 but in OT. All the other games were 3-4 pts either way. They play these games close. Thats why to me anyway the points are attractive. Eagles and the points looks like a good bet.

[swiss cheese]

Philly 27-24 on a late field goal.

[AndyC]

Its the opposite, they know every homer, chowder head and fan that can't gauge a football team will bet on Tom Brady. If you gotta squeak by Jacksonville at home and can barely stop Bortles. This team is going to be a handful for you. If Jacksonville can put you on the ropes, if Philly plays their "A" game....this will be a knock out. I already bet while i could, before the whales hammered the spread and lowered it to 5.5 almost Immediatly. They are playing to the public on Super Bowl day. Every fool that hardly bets will make a rare bet that day. It doesn't work every year but they are going to take a shit load on the Patriots in hopes they lose. But the big and smart money went in on that 7 in a flash. Regular folk don't bet right after the bell.

There's no way on Gods green earth I would lay 7 to this team after watching the season and these playoff games. NE will need their luck to even be in this one. They have not faced a team like this yet. The AFC was loaded with pretenders and bad teams. Some of them even made the playoffs. If it weren't the Patriots i would for see a blow out in this game. If they get behind like last year.......there is no coming back against this defense. Sure they can win if Philly screws up, but 7 points on an even playing field ain't going to happen. The people that got in at +7 are feeling pretty good right now. I know i am. What games do people watch? :lol:

It reminds me of the Denver vs Seattle game....."old Peyton Manning, he can't lose." He got his head handed to him and the bookies made about 20 million in Vegas. That's the goal here.

First of all, where could you get the game at 7? Pinnacle had it at 7 for exactly 2 minutes before changing it. Nobody else in Vegas or offshore has had it at 7. I wouldn't lay 7 either.

This isn't just about Brady. I am sure Tom can handle the moment and not be a bundle of nerves in 2 weeks. Comparing Manning to him is ridiculous. It's about Foles. I would play for a huge bounce.

[lamboguy]

the Eagles got big physical guys, but hardly any speed at all. everyone betting on the Eagles right now, gonna wait to see what shakes after being completely wrong on the last one.

my guess is that the points won't make a difference one way or the other. i thought the game should have come out with a higher line, but since the public is all over the Eagles so far, it looks like they know what they were doing

[cj]

They're going the OC route, hiring Shurmur

Wow, it never occurred to me we'd hire the Vikings OFFENSIVE coordinator.

[AndyC]

This is a good post.

I think New England has big problems in their secondary. They made Bortles look like the second coming of Joe Montana, and they compounded the problem with bad tackling.

We see so many of these Patriot comebacks, but many times, EVERYTHING has to break just right. They have to convert a 3rd and 18, they have to get a 45 yard PI penalty, they see two key Jax defenders go down with injuries late in the game, and then Amendola does a great tightrope act to come down with the ball in the end zone. I won't rehash everything from last year's Super Bowl; we already know that everything broke perfectly for them.

Philly is the better balanced team.

NE gives up a lot of yards but not a lot of points.

Jacksonville was initially tough for NE because they have such a great pass defense. NE adjusted and moved the ball quite well in the second half. Philly's defensive strength is their rush defense. They are not nearly as good as Jacksonville with regard to pass defense. They also aren't as stingy about giving up points as Jacksonville.

[thaskalos]

NE gives up a lot of yards but not a lot of points.

Jacksonville was initially tough for NE because they have such a great pass defense. NE adjusted and moved the ball quite well in the second half. Philly's defensive strength is their rush defense. They are not nearly as good as Jacksonville with regard to pass defense. They also aren't as stingy about giving up points as Jacksonville.

The good thing about betting sports is that the game's outcome is usually conclusive enough to settle the arguments that preceded it. We'll see who is right in two weeks. :ThmbUp:

[Secondbest]

Wow, it never occurred to me we'd hire the Vikings OFFENSIVE coordinator.

Rumor is Jack Del RIO for DC

[Inner Dirt]

NE gives up a lot of yards but not a lot of points.

Jacksonville was initially tough for NE because they have such a great pass defense. NE adjusted and moved the ball quite well in the second half. Philly's defensive strength is their rush defense. They are not nearly as good as Jacksonville with regard to pass defense. They also aren't as stingy about giving up points as Jacksonville.

The same Jacksonville that gave up over 40 to Pittsburgh and San Francisco in a one month period? I don't understand the hype surrounding the Jaguars defense.

[jocko699]

Jeff Hosteleter, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams....

I might be wrong but I believe the only QB to beat New England and Tom Brady is Eli Manning.

[AndyC]

The good thing about betting sports is that the game's outcome is usually conclusive enough to settle the arguments that preceded it. We'll see who is right in two weeks. :ThmbUp:

No doubt, but stirring the pot is fun while waiting. Some bettors get very emotional regarding their betting choices.

[jocko699]

No doubt, but stirring the pot is fun while waiting. Some bettors get very emotional regarding their betting choices.

Add to that the emotional side i.e. being an Eagles fan and over exuberance. I may bet the over/under but I want no part of the points.

I felt this year the opposite of what many did as far as the NFC being stronger than the AFC. IMO, their was a vacuum left because of the Cowboy's and Giant's weak teams.

+6.5 seems to be the right number if I was going to bet the Eagles. It is just extremely difficult to beat the BB and TB dynasty.

[upthecreek]

Brady vs. Jim Schwartz defenses:
2002 - 7 points scored (10th ranked defense) - Tennessee

2003 - 38 points + 17 points (12th ranked defense) - Tennessee

2006- 40 points (32nd ranked defense) - Tennessee

2010 - 45 points (21st ranked defense) - Detroit

2014 - 37 (4th ranked defense) - Buffalo

[Boris]

Multi Million $ Bet (https://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2018/1/25/16932068/super-bowl-2018-eagles-patriots-multi-million-bet)

MGM vice president Jay Rood spoke to ESPN and confirmed that one of the casino’s regulars placed the substantial bet. The casino won’t confirm exactly how much the bet was for, but did say that they’re “heavy Eagles now.”

It was enough to change the casino’s line from Patriots -5.5 to Patriots -4.5, which is substantial — considering one bet made the difference. It’s the largest the casino has received, though Rood said he’s received many other substantial bets for the Patriots — but nothing quite as large as the wager on Wednesday.

[PhantomOnTour]

Saban and the Belichick/Brady combo have ruined football.

[pandy]

It's so tricky betting against the Patriots because they regularly beat more talented teams with a combination of brilliant coaching, great leadership at QB, and cheating or near cheating. The only caveat is that their Super Bowls are always close games...in the seven SB's with Brady/Belichick they have won or lost by three points four times and four points twice. Once they won by six.

I think the Eagles can run the ball against the Patriots, but Foles needs to have a good game. If Foles is not accurate early, Belichick will put everyone on the line to stop their running game.

[Teach]

Why the Philadelphia Eagles will win Super Bowl 52:

1. Nick Foles has a cannon for an arm. He’ll be heaving “mortars” all over the field. No, they won’t always hit their target; yet, when you throw the ball 35 or 40 times, you’re bound to have several completions. Foles has thrown 7 TDs this year at an average of 21 yds. per throw. The Patriots secondary is porous. They rank in the bottom third of the NFL. I don’t think the Patriots pass rush is that impressive. I’m sure the Eagles will keep the Pats’ defensive line honest with occasional ground plays and play-action.

2. The Eagles can “move the chains”. The Eagles were third in the NFL in third-down conversions. In the playoffs, they’ve been 16 for 27, a ridiculous 60%. Much of this was against the Minnesota Vikings who have the best third-down defense in history. Both the Jaguars and Titans, the Patriots playoff opponents, ranked in the lower half of the NFL teams when it came to 3rd down conversions. One of the ways to beat the Patriots is to keep Tom Brady off the field.

3. The Eagles have the best defensive line in football. The Eagles allowed the fewest rushing yards in the NFL. Philadelphia will not allow Brady much time to set up in the pocket. Result: hurried throws, incompletions, sacks, and interceptions. Further, the Eagles have a lot of depth. This has allowed defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz to keep his top linemen, Fletcher Cox and Vinny Curry, fresh for the playoffs. The key again will be to put pressure on Tom Brady. The Patriots team, as a whole, are much less effective when Brady is under pressure, i.e., three or more sacks. Finally, of the two defensive lines, the Eagles are fresher. The Patriots linemen, on the other hand, have suffered their share of nagging injuries.

4. One final point: The status of Ron Gronkowski. “Gronk” took quite a helmet-to-helmet shot in the Jaguars game. His status, with a little over one week to the Super Bowl, is still unclear. He must go through the concussion protocol. Sometimes those type of head injuries heal quickly, sometimes they don’t. If “Gronk” can’t go, then all the more reason to believe the Eagles will win the Super Bowl. If “Gronk” is out, that’s one less weapon for Brady. If that’s the case, watch for double-coverage on Amendola. The Eagles may well just shut down the Brady-led Patriots offense and then take advantage of the suspect Patriots defense.

[pandy]

Good analysis, Teach. I agree that the Eagles are the more talented team. Whether or not that's enough against this dynasty...

I've bet against the Patriots four times in the Super Bowl and won three bets including their win against the Eagles when they didn't cover, so it's certainly not impossible. I lost last year, bet the Falcons, who should have won, but the Falcons made some terrible coaching mistakes and bad calls in the second half. You can't lose your cool against the Patriots.

[zico20]

Anything over 4...and I am taking out a second mortgage on my home.

I sincerely hope you had a lot of equity built up! Be honest, you had at least 50,000 on them.:jump:

[Tom]

Saban and the Belichick/Brady combo have ruined football.

Not tonight! :headbanger::headbanger::headbanger::headbanger:
Brady on his arse as the ball hit the ground - you can't script 'em that good!

Gimme a cheese wit, please! :p

[jocko699]

I might be wrong but I believe the only QB to beat New England and Tom Brady is Eli Manning.

We know Nick Foles did it also. What a great performance:headbanger::headbanger::headbanger:

[Inner Dirt]

Was there a prop bet available for Nick Foles catching a TD pass?

[Valuist]

The Lions look kind of foolish, having to trot out Matt Petricka (sp?) as their new coach. The Patriots defense looked slow, and the bend but not break approach eventually breaks. Under Petricka, the Pats defense was never in the top 10 in Football Outsiders DVOA rankings. The Patriots run was about two things: the best QB of all time and strong special teams.

[pandy]

The Lions look kind of foolish, having to trot out Matt Petricka (sp?) as their new coach. The Patriots defense looked slow, and the bend but not break approach eventually breaks. Under Petricka, the Pats defense was never in the top 10 in Football Outsiders DVOA rankings. The Patriots run was about two things: the best QB of all time and strong special teams.

They really are slow. They only played one good offense all year, the Steelers. It helps when you have Brady getting all those first downs and long drives.

[MutuelClerk]

The Lions look kind of foolish, having to trot out Matt Petricka (sp?) as their new coach. The Patriots defense looked slow, and the bend but not break approach eventually breaks. Under Petricka, the Pats defense was never in the top 10 in Football Outsiders DVOA rankings. The Patriots run was about two things: the best QB of all time and strong special teams.

The Lions looking foolish? You don't say? At least they had Jim Schwartz as a head coach who really shutdown the Pats. Oh wait.....

[Saratoga_Mike]

No team could have beaten the Eagles today...and a repeat performance two weeks from now is a distinct possibility. Foles started off slowly after Wentz's injury...but he has improved steadily as he has gotten more work. Today, he was near-perfect...against the league's most stifling defense.

I'll take the Eagles against the Pats all day...especially with the spread at 5.5 points.

Well done.