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woodtoo
01-18-2018, 06:42 PM
Releases Glen Simpson of Fusion GPS 165 page transcript of November 2017 interview.

Rep. Matt Gaetz "The allegations in this important intelligence document go to
the very foundation of our democracy and they require an immediate release
to the public in my opinion."

Democrat response "Shut down government NOW, deflect and deny."

Helter Skelter ...she's coming down fast...Yes she is.

And nary a whimper from the fake news stations just regular bash Trump 24/7
programming.

upthecreek
01-18-2018, 06:44 PM
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/954135470010757122

woodtoo
01-18-2018, 06:53 PM
They spied on TOO many people and they now know and they are not happy, this will not be swept away.

woodtoo
01-18-2018, 07:03 PM
Obama's campaign paid law firm PerkinsCoie $972,000.00 that secretly paid FusionGPS.

JustRalph
01-18-2018, 07:16 PM
https://truepundit.com/sara-carter-bombshell-revelations-congress-classified-fisa-abuse-report-end-muellers-investigation-trump/

It’s all coming out? Drip drip.......

Who goes to jail for Barry O ?

chadk66
01-18-2018, 07:33 PM
not a damn one of em will face the music.

davew
01-18-2018, 07:40 PM
not a damn one of em will face the music.

what? I thought Muellers' special counsel was looking into Russian interference with election?

boxcar
01-18-2018, 08:10 PM
what? I thought Muellers' special counsel was looking into Russian interference with election?

He is! He is! But only from the other side of the aisle.

reckless
01-18-2018, 08:59 PM
what? I thought Muellers' special counsel was looking into Russian interference with election?

They were never really after Trump nor looking into 'Russia' collusion with Trump.

Mueller, and his corrupt associates were there solely to cover up all the illegal activity of Obama and the Clinton clan.

tucker6
01-18-2018, 09:22 PM
The lid is about to blow off the whole dossier/FISA warrant issue. Seems a cabal of top FBI/DOJ people were involved in trying to take down Trump. The end of the deep state may actually be near.

If true, watch Trump fire Muellar.

#morewinning

woodtoo
01-18-2018, 09:59 PM
Every single Democrat on the committee voted NOT to release to the public.

chrisl
01-18-2018, 10:06 PM
Every single Democrat on the committee voted NOT to release to the public.

They were just looking out for Republicans. They were trying to save them the embarrassment of finding nothing. :lol:

FantasticDan
01-18-2018, 10:46 PM
Every single Democrat on the committee voted NOT to release to the public.
:bang: :ThmbDown:

The vote to release the transcript was unanimous:

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/18/politics/house-intelligence-fusion-gps-transcript/index.html

JustRalph
01-18-2018, 11:19 PM
These issues tie together.....the report should be released


https://twitter.com/RepMarkMeadows/status/954199802790768644

JustRalph
01-18-2018, 11:39 PM
Tick tick


https://twitter.com/SteveKingIA/status/954194729511636992

mostpost
01-19-2018, 01:56 AM
:bang: :ThmbDown:

The vote to release the transcript was unanimous:

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/18/politics/house-intelligence-fusion-gps-transcript/index.html
Wait! You mean woodtoo got something wrong? Just glancing through the transcript, I found page after page of testimony relating Trumps relationships with gangsters, mobsters and Mafia member; his involvement in money laundering, real estate fraud and God knows what other manner of skullduggery.

I found that Democratic questions involved the matters described above while Republican question focused almost exclusively on who ordered the research and who paid for it.

That same dichotomy appears to be present here. Woodtoo, Just ralph, Tucker 6, Reckless and ChadK are convinced they have found the smoking gun which will send Hillary to prison, along with Barach. They do not know how to read and if they do, the do not know how to interpret what they have read.

mostpost
01-19-2018, 02:05 AM
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/954135470010757122

You do understand that the allegations Napolitano was referring those regarding Trumps alleged ties to Russian mobsters, right? Watch the video, which you clearly did not.

mostpost
01-19-2018, 02:12 AM
https://truepundit.com/sara-carter-bombshell-revelations-congress-classified-fisa-abuse-report-end-muellers-investigation-trump/

It’s all coming out? Drip drip.......

Who goes to jail for Barry O ?Sara Carter, reporter for the Washington Times, Washington Examiner, and Fox News. Yep, I'm going to believe her about a report which is classified and cannot be confirmed.:rolleyes:

Track Collector
01-19-2018, 02:41 AM
:bang: :ThmbDown:

The vote to release the transcript was unanimous:

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/18/politics/house-intelligence-fusion-gps-transcript/index.html

Woodtoo is not talking about the Fusion GPS interview transcripts.

**************************************************

The House Intelligence Committee voted today to allow all congressional members to view a summary report of classified documents behind the “Clinton Dossier”.

All of the Republicans voted to allow the sunlight, Adam Schiff and all the Democrats on the committee voted to block the sunlight.

tucker6
01-19-2018, 07:21 AM
:bang: :ThmbDown:

The vote to release the transcript was unanimous:

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/18/politics/house-intelligence-fusion-gps-transcript/index.html

try to keep up skippy

woodtoo
01-19-2018, 08:31 AM
Tweet from White House -@ Stephen Miller Jan.19 2018

"Democrats are about to find out how a real shithole looks like."

woodtoo
01-19-2018, 08:32 AM
Woodtoo is not talking about the Fusion GPS interview transcripts.

**************************************************

The House Intelligence Committee voted today to allow all congressional members to view a summary report of classified documents behind the “Clinton Dossier”.

All of the Republicans voted to allow the sunlight, Adam Schiff and all the Democrats on the committee voted to block the sunlight.

Thanks Track Collector I had an early night.:ThmbUp:

Tom
01-19-2018, 08:42 AM
Every single Democrat on the committee voted NOT to release to the public.

Truth is to a democrat like a Cross is to Dracula.
the last thing the DNC wants is an informed electorate.
Just look the bevy of total idiots they support as candidates.
And look at their supporters! :eek:

Tom
01-19-2018, 08:43 AM
try to keep up skippy
No child left behind.

Tom
01-19-2018, 08:44 AM
Let's not forget the press covered up JFK sleeping with a hooker who had direct ties to the USSR.

Seems TRUMP is the ONLY who does not have ties to RUSSIANS! :pound:

woodtoo
01-19-2018, 08:49 AM
The Big Ugly actually tastes pretty sweet!

upthecreek
01-19-2018, 09:02 AM
https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/954317513856237568

upthecreek
01-19-2018, 09:09 AM
https://twitter.com/kjsm006/status/954351596565155840

tucker6
01-19-2018, 09:15 AM
https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/954317513856237568

The house of cards is collapsing. I don't know what I am most happy about. The deep state getting their comeuppance or Mostie and Dan and Stinky getting theirs. :lol:

Tom
01-19-2018, 09:18 AM
You mean the S-House of cards?

woodtoo
01-19-2018, 10:24 AM
Tweet from White House -@ Stephen Miller Jan.19 2018

"Democrats are about to find out how a real shithole looks like."

Before I get attacked for fake news, I discovered this was a parody account.

woodtoo
01-19-2018, 10:27 AM
Remember the Mitten's meltdown? Well this FISA spying goes back to 2012.
Hi Barack.

woodtoo
01-19-2018, 10:35 AM
Hillary Clinton email to Donna Brazile-October 17,2016.

"If that F**ing B****rd wins, we're all going to hang from nooses!!
You better fix this shit!!"

She ran, she lost, she knew. A little perspective.

upthecreek
01-19-2018, 11:02 AM
https://twitter.com/SebGorka/status/954222454070743040

woodtoo
01-19-2018, 11:29 AM
https://twitter.com/SebGorka/status/954222454070743040

The Yellow Stream Media is ignoring this as suspected, leaving it to President Trump (again) to do the heavy lifting making the State of the Union the most anticipated speech of the year, maybe the century.

Tom
01-19-2018, 11:38 AM
We need to re-name some things.

S-House of Representatives.
S-House Intel Committee.

Trump - reinventing the dialog! :headbanger:

mostpost
01-19-2018, 04:17 PM
Woodtoo is not talking about the Fusion GPS interview transcripts.

**************************************************

The House Intelligence Committee voted today to allow all congressional members to view a summary report of classified documents behind the “Clinton Dossier”.

All of the Republicans voted to allow the sunlight, Adam Schiff and all the Democrats on the committee voted to block the sunlight.

Actually it is always difficult to know what the hell woodtoo is talking about.
Two different things here. One is the GPS fusion testimony transcript which was released unanimously. The other was a report on so called FISA abuses which was released only to House members over the objections of Democratic members who had no input into its creation.

tucker6
01-19-2018, 04:54 PM
The other was a report on so called FISA abuses which was released only to House members over the objections of Democratic members who had no input into its creation.

What are you even talking about. No one in Congress had input into its creation. So what you are saying is that unless the dems can massage the truth, you want nothing to do with it.

boxcar
01-19-2018, 04:58 PM
What are you even talking about. No one in Congress had input into its creation. So what you are saying is that unless the dems can massage the truth, you want nothing to do with it.

That means Mostie doesn't want Americans to know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. He wants the ever-so-transparency-loving Dems to manipulate the facts first.

mostpost
01-19-2018, 05:02 PM
https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/954317513856237568

Garbage. Where is the documented proof that GCHQ tapped anyone in the US?
The meeting at Trump Tower was set up by Rob Goldstone a British music agent, whose client, Emin Agalarov, an Azerbaijani singer, performed at the Miss Universe event. His father, Aras Agalarov, is a wealthy real estate developer in Moscow, according to Wikipedia.
So, it was the Agalarovs who set up the Trump Tower meeting through Goldstone, not the Justice Department. Unless you are going to tell me the Agalarovs and Goldstone are agents of the Justice Department. Surely, you are not going to go there.

woodtoo
01-19-2018, 05:39 PM
[QUOTE=mostpost;2263278]Garbage. Where is the documented proof

You stole that from David Axlerod. Another deflection.

chadk66
01-19-2018, 07:25 PM
https://twitter.com/SebGorka/status/954222454070743040Thanks for the sampling

davew
01-19-2018, 08:27 PM
I hope Trump declassifies the 4 page report outlining the FISA abuses by the previous administration and upper management of 17 government security agencies. Many will be fired and some will be jailed...

Tom
01-19-2018, 10:45 PM
That information belongs to the citizens of the US and we have every right to see it. Enough of this taking our taxes and not giving us the inform we need.

National Security be damned - that is a lame excuse.
No more.

jocko699
01-19-2018, 10:50 PM
That information belongs to the citizens of the US and we have every right to see it. Enough of this taking our taxes and not giving us the inform we need.

National Security be damned - that is a lame excuse.
No more.

But the dems will say:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMzd40i8TfA

upthecreek
01-20-2018, 09:40 AM
https://twitter.com/dbongino/status/954517069130813452

upthecreek
01-20-2018, 09:49 AM
https://twitter.com/jerome_corsi/status/954393491467010049

woodtoo
01-20-2018, 10:34 AM
https://twitter.com/jerome_corsi/status/954393491467010049

This. Is a real eye opener!:ThmbUp:

davew
01-20-2018, 10:46 AM
https://twitter.com/jerome_corsi/status/954393491467010049

0bama had the most transparent administration EVER...

JustRalph
01-20-2018, 11:21 AM
This thing is so convoluted the blatant political corruption that spawned this kind of secretive use of the FBI and others will go right over most people’s heads.

Weaponizing the FBI and NSA, using fraudulently obtained FISA tools against a political opponent, all adds up to serious corruption and mis-use of the powers of the Executive Branch.

Who was the head of the snake? A corrupt Chicago politician who figured he had nothing to lose. Not to mention his entire party and legacy were in jeopardy until Hillary came up with the money to keep the party funded. After agreeing to that he was under her thumb and she got what she wanted.

The amazing part is "the people" saw through it and Trump won anyway.

upthecreek
01-20-2018, 11:25 AM
https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/954749123474927616

upthecreek
01-20-2018, 11:26 AM
0bama had the most transparent administration EVER...

That's funny, I never heard him mention he was wire tapping Trump

davew
01-20-2018, 12:05 PM
This thing is so convoluted the blatant political corruption that spawned this kind of secretive use of the FBI and others will go right over most people’s heads.

.

Just the dimocrats, who see no evil...

Tom
01-20-2018, 12:13 PM
Just the dimocrats, who see no evil...

Have they no mirrors?

chadk66
01-20-2018, 08:26 PM
after all this talk if that memo isn't released to the public there is going to be hell to pay for this administration and congressmen. I heard today that there was only one democrat that ventured down to the basement to even read the memo. one. that speaks volumes.

davew
01-20-2018, 08:39 PM
That's funny, I never heard him mention he was wire tapping Trump

it was not wire tapping but court approved surveillance

fast4522
01-20-2018, 08:42 PM
it was not wire tapping but court approved surveillance

Bullshit, a sitting President breaking the law.

reckless
01-21-2018, 06:34 AM
I am forced to repeat myself once more, but I must ...

the true reason for appointing Robert Mueller as Special Counsel to investigate 'Russian' collusion in the Trump campaign was NOT to go after and hang Trump but to provide a cover for Barrack Obama and to clean the slate of all illegal activities by the FBI, DoJ, the Clinton campaign/Foundation, etc.

Their 'fact finding mission' per Trump/Russia was just a clever ruse. The facts they were really seeking was Obama's (and the DNC, plus Clinton campaign and Foundation) criminal and treasonous conduct with the goal to bury or kill it before it came to the fore.

davew
01-21-2018, 08:15 AM
They should ask the NSA for all of Hillarys illegal server emails that they offered Comey (who declined them because he already has his verdict).

Tom
01-21-2018, 10:31 AM
after all this talk if that memo isn't released to the public there is going to be hell to pay for this administration and congressmen. I heard today that there was only one democrat that ventured down to the basement to even read the memo. one. that speaks volumes.


No really - only one democrat can READ! :pound:

woodtoo
01-22-2018, 07:57 AM
Every single Democrat on the committee voted NOT to release to the public.

R's- 269 aye D's- 230 nay

Thats just weird.

upthecreek
01-22-2018, 09:22 AM
http://amp.dailycaller.com/2018/01/20/obama-administration-plot-exonerate-hillary/

woodtoo
01-22-2018, 09:39 AM
http://amp.dailycaller.com/2018/01/20/obama-administration-plot-exonerate-hillary/

Dirty deeds done dirt cheap. Not cheap but certainly done dirty.:rant:

reckless
01-22-2018, 12:26 PM
http://amp.dailycaller.com/2018/01/20/obama-administration-plot-exonerate-hillary/

Joe DiGenova is a smart man but he should institute a class action law suit against all probable culprits -- Hillary! The Clinton Foundation, and others.

The discovery phase of any legitimate lawsuit is the greatest part of our legal system.

Personally, I believe that phony GOP congressmen, the likes of Darrell Issa, Jason Chavitz and Trey Gowdy were all full of shat -- they never really never justice; just face time and a talking point, despite serious criminal acts committed by the likes of the Clintons, and others.

DiGenova will lose all standing, too, if he continues to cry wolf yet sits on his hands and do nothing.

woodtoo
01-23-2018, 04:21 PM
Ex FBI's James Comey's chief of Staff James Rybicki resigns.
Their dropping like flies hoping to retain their pensions before the Big Ugly swallows them up.:popcorn:

tucker6
01-23-2018, 05:25 PM
Ex FBI's James Comey's chief of Staff James Rybicki resigns.
Their dropping like flies hoping to retain their pensions before the Big Ugly swallows them up.:popcorn:

How is Hillary involved?

woodtoo
01-23-2018, 05:59 PM
How is Hillary involved?

She was protected in this case, Rybicki was very involved with the Lynch tarmac meeting and other things like misleading investigations.
Setting the stage.

davew
01-23-2018, 10:00 PM
How is Hillary involved?

Hillary and DNC paid fusiongps to pay Steele to write Trump dossier....


Sarah says white house supports full transparency...

http://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/23/white-house-supports-full-transparency-nunes-memo/

chadk66
01-23-2018, 11:01 PM
It just gets better everyday. They will eventually start turning states evidence and ratting each other out. Slowly putting the squeeze on em. Dying a slow death. If we had an AG that wasn't just as corrupt all well would have broken loose six months ago.

woodtoo
01-24-2018, 12:23 PM
BREAKING: Late night post by #QAnon suggesting that FBI text messages may have discussed a plot to physically harm POTUS has been CONFIRMED by FBI official.

woodtoo
01-24-2018, 12:26 PM
Evidence suggests a massive scandal is brewing at FBI. Michael Goodwin
New York Post

reckless
01-24-2018, 03:03 PM
I have been waiting for the Trump bashers to write about all this criminal activity by the FBI. Be it about the memos, emails, the treason committed by Jim Comey and others, the coup d'etat attempt to overturn a Presidential election against the will of the people.

But we get nothing but dead silence from these people. Their hatred for Trump is so deep that criminal and immoral activity -- crimes committed by our very own FBI and CIA no less -- is all OK to these Trump bashers.

But I am not surprised, sad to say, that they condone and endorse this kind of treason.

Shame on them.

woodtoo
01-24-2018, 03:08 PM
Strzok- K Rybicki just sent another version

Page- Bill just popped his head in, hopefully to talk to him

Strzok- Hope so. Just left Bill. Talked about the speech, the stuff related to the speech, and what I told you about earlier.

Strzok- He changed President to "another senior government official"

Hi Obama :D

Bill Priestap was Strzok's direct boss.

davew
01-24-2018, 05:47 PM
It just gets better everyday. They will eventually start turning states evidence and ratting each other out. Slowly putting the squeeze on em. Dying a slow death. If we had an AG that wasn't just as corrupt all well would have broken loose six months ago.

It depends who is in charge, they might all get immunity and nobody gets anything but a nice paycheck until a nice retirement program.

davew
01-24-2018, 09:21 PM
DOJ official urges Nunes not to release memo on ABUSES of surveillance

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/24/doj-official-urges-nunes-not-to-release-memo-on-surveillance-abuses-source-says.html

Tom
01-24-2018, 10:20 PM
Why would a DOJ OFficial ever want to see justice done?
We should throw this a-hole in jail just for being an a-hole.

The guy is obviously guilty of something - who cares what, just put his ass in GTMO and leave it there. Water board him repeatedly until we get something from him. OR not.

chadk66
01-25-2018, 06:59 AM
If the public isn't allowed to read the memo that will tell us that there will never be any prosecutions from this.

chadk66
01-25-2018, 08:54 AM
this is a must listen.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/01/23/joe_digenova_obama_administrations_brazen_plot_to_ exonerate_hillary_clinton_is_a_felony.html

incoming
01-25-2018, 10:09 AM
this is a must listen.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/01/23/joe_digenova_obama_administrations_brazen_plot_to_ exonerate_hillary_clinton_is_a_felony.html

WOW
you are right a MUST listen



The democrats will need to order boat loads of hook, line, and sinkers.:lol::lol::lol::lol::popcorn::popcorn:

woodtoo
01-25-2018, 01:30 PM
Any one needy a clearer picture may I suggest Twitter; TrumpSoldier
Very good analyst.

woodtoo
01-25-2018, 01:44 PM
Well well, Justice Department IG says all Strzok and gal pal Page texts have been recovered. Oh what a tangled web they weave when they hope to deceive.
I knew they were never lost.:jump:

tucker6
01-25-2018, 02:41 PM
Well well, Justice Department IG says all Strzok and gal pal Page texts have been recovered. Oh what a tangled web they weave when they hope to deceive.
I knew they were never lost.:jump:
Since they were so easy to recover, I actually wonder how little was done to retrieve them before the note was sent to Congress declaring them irrevocably lost?

chadk66
01-25-2018, 02:53 PM
is that crickets I hear?

tucker6
01-25-2018, 03:00 PM
is that crickets I hear?

Nope. Not a sound. The left is in paralysis from the brain down.

incoming
01-25-2018, 03:06 PM
is that crickets I hear?

They have to wait for the comic book edition.....:D

woodtoo
01-25-2018, 03:25 PM
Since they were so easy to recover, I actually wonder how little was done to retrieve them before the note was sent to Congress declaring them irrevocably lost?

It may (probably) was a ploy on the AG's part, to see who scurried and where.:ThmbUp:

chadk66
01-25-2018, 05:15 PM
It may (probably) was a ploy on the AG's part, to see who scurried and where.:ThmbUp:very likely

chadk66
01-25-2018, 05:18 PM
something tells me the shit is getting close to hitting the fan.

woodtoo
01-25-2018, 06:53 PM
Chairman Chuck Grassley releases new batch text messages.:ThmbUp:

woodtoo
01-25-2018, 07:23 PM
Just read some texts and letter from Grassley to FBI director Wray, the noose is tightening. There is nowhere to hide. Hi Mosty.;)

chadk66
01-26-2018, 09:25 AM
Just read some texts and letter from Grassley to FBI director Wray, the noose is tightening. There is nowhere to hide. Hi Mosty.;):lol:. He has gone into hiding

Tom
01-26-2018, 09:30 AM
:lol:. He has gone into hiding

WPP?
Witless Protection Program?:pound:

Track Collector
01-26-2018, 10:56 AM
Just read some texts and letter from Grassley to FBI director Wray, the noose is tightening. There is nowhere to hide. Hi Mosty.;)

I see what you did there! ;)

(You showed real class by excluding a certain picture!)

JustRalph
01-26-2018, 01:47 PM
Oops.....using Gmail for comms on official business is illegal

Tom
01-26-2018, 04:12 PM
Oops.....using Gmail for comms on official business is illegal

Oh, but no intent, so all is good.
You know, the Hillary defense.

davew
01-26-2018, 06:35 PM
Nunes getting close again, so someone had to file another complaint....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ethics-complaint-alleges-rep-devin-120823661.html

chadk66
01-26-2018, 06:59 PM
Nunes getting close again, so someone had to file another complaint....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ethics-complaint-alleges-rep-devin-120823661.html
The left is in full panic mode. They will stop at nothing to prevent this memo to come out.

Tom
01-26-2018, 09:49 PM
Just give it to Comey - he leaKs everything he touches anyway.
Or email it to Hillary - her emails have a habit of being distributed world-wide.

upthecreek
01-29-2018, 01:15 PM
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/958027218067841030

tucker6
01-29-2018, 01:18 PM
... and just after that, McCabe is removed from his post. I'm sure just a coincidence and that Mueller has Trump right where he wants him. :lol:

davew
01-29-2018, 01:31 PM
The left is in full panic mode. They will stop at nothing to prevent this memo to come out.

They have made their own version from a lib viewpoint....

tucker6
01-29-2018, 01:35 PM
They have made their own version from a lib viewpoint....

I bet it starts and ends with, "it was Russia and Trump."

woodtoo
01-29-2018, 02:24 PM
... and just after that, McCabe is removed from his post. I'm sure just a coincidence and that Mueller has Trump right where he wants him. :lol:

Timing tells little things are really big things!:lol:

jocko699
01-29-2018, 06:42 PM
Now it is up to POTUS

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/29/house-intel-votes-to-release-controversial-surveillance-memo-to-public.html

Fager Fan
01-29-2018, 07:14 PM
I watched the press conference from Schiff after the vote, and I'm really bothered by his comments. Every word was partisan politics.

Who the hell is looking after the people? The FBI and JD are corrupt and the half the members of congress don't give a damn? I don't think it's too much to ask that they drop the partisan crap just to get to the FACTS, and then give US the facts.

There shouldn't be a Republican memo and a Dem memo. There should be ONE memo giving FACTS. FACTS aren't partisan, they aren't Democratic or Republican. I'm so angry that Congress puts their own political interests ahead of the country's.

woodtoo
01-29-2018, 07:17 PM
I watched the press conference from Schiff after the vote, and I'm really bothered by his comments. Every word was partisan politics.

Who the hell is looking after the people? The FBI and JD are corrupt and the half the members of congress don't give a damn? I don't think it's too much to ask that they drop the partisan crap just to get to the FACTS, and then give US the facts.

There shouldn't be a Republican memo and a Dem memo. There should be ONE memo giving FACTS. FACTS aren't partisan, they aren't Democratic or Republican. I'm so angry that Congress puts their own political interests ahead of the country's.

Just once just the facts would be refreshing.

boxcar
01-29-2018, 07:26 PM
Just once just the facts would be refreshing.

Actually, I would dearly love to analyze both memoranda because I'm betting the demwit version is their spin on the Republican one. The dems want to interpret for the dumb masses what the latter is really saying.

fast4522
01-29-2018, 07:50 PM
It is a major embarrassment to not only a government agency, but also the previous administration who enabled the embarrassment to occur. Disgraceful is the only word that can be used with what happened, hopefully a major house cleaning is about to start.

tucker6
01-30-2018, 09:25 AM
Below is the Democratic response to the FISA Memo

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/4lYsAo.png

Tom
01-30-2018, 10:13 AM
FAKE memo - that CANNOT be from the democrats.
Everything in it is spelled correctly! :lol:

Tom
01-30-2018, 10:16 AM
Nhe people have the absolute right to see this memeo, unredacted, 100% intact.

No matter who the hell gets burned by it.
Any other scenarios is unacceptable to a free nation run by the people and not some nazi organization.

ONLY those guilty are scared to let it be seen.

davew
01-30-2018, 11:36 AM
Nhe people have the absolute right to see this memeo, unredacted, 100% intact.

No matter who the hell gets burned by it.
Any other scenarios is unacceptable to a free nation run by the people and not some nazi organization.

ONLY those guilty are scared to let it be seen.

House voted to release it - have heard there are no names included, but if positions are listed will not be hard to figure out.

chadk66
01-30-2018, 02:07 PM
That noise you hear is the flushing of the toilet in DC. Major milestone of swamp draining taking place. Winning constantly now

Tom
01-30-2018, 04:12 PM
That noise you hear is the flushing of the toilet in DC. Major milestone of swamp draining taking place. Winning constantly now

Trump should have them hand out a copy to each person entering the SOTU tonight.

chadk66
01-30-2018, 04:14 PM
Trump should have them hand out a copy to each person entering the SOTU tonight.yes he should. None of this matters to the liberals. They wouldn't care if their was a sworn statement from Hillary being responsible for the dozens of Clinton suicides. They will follow her to their graves. This only matters for independents and conservatives. And that's really all that matters.

davew
02-01-2018, 05:56 PM
what does carrying water for the white house mean? it wasn't in my dictionary

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/top-dems-want-nunes-removed-as-house-intelligence-chair-over-memo-saga/ar-BBIzGpf?li=AA5a8k&ocid=spartandhp

woodtoo
02-01-2018, 06:00 PM
The despicable
desperate dems

Eric Holder tweet:
"people must understand what is at stake by release of bogus, contrived Nunes memo. It uses normally protected material and puts at risk our intel capabilities in order to derail a legitimate investigation. It is unheard of-it is dangerous and it is irresponsible."
Directly over target...release coordinate.:jump:

woodtoo
02-01-2018, 06:06 PM
Nancy Pelosi tweet:
" David Nunes is putting our national security at risk, ignoring concerns from
FBI and DOJ to advance a conspiracy theory. RT if you know Speaker Ryan must #RemoveNunes immediately."

Sounds a tad panicked eh!!

woodtoo
02-01-2018, 06:13 PM
Rep. Jeff Duncan tweet: " Having read "The Memo" the FBI is right to have "grave concerns" as it will shake the organisation down to its core-showing Americans just how the agency was weaponized by the Obama officials/DNC/HRC to target political adversaries."

woodtoo
02-01-2018, 06:16 PM
The Big Ugly starring Barry Soetoro. AKA Barack Obama.

woodtoo
02-01-2018, 06:24 PM
Monica Crowley tweet:
"This is the first of many memos. As bad as this memo may be, my understanding is there's worse coming down the pike."

Say it aint so Joe!!

davew
02-01-2018, 08:06 PM
this is kind of funny, but probably has more truth than it should

https://politics.theonion.com/fbi-warns-republican-memo-could-undermine-faith-in-mass-1822639681

fast4522
02-01-2018, 08:26 PM
Rep. Jeff Duncan tweet: " Having read "The Memo" the FBI is right to have "grave concerns" as it will shake the organisation down to its core-showing Americans just how the agency was weaponized by the Obama officials/DNC/HRC to target political adversaries."

Whatever it takes to restore the rule of law so be it, go after pensions and legal actions against anyone who it can be proved broke the law at the direction of any person or persons in power. What they are really trying to do here is not just prevent things from coming to light this time, but protect many inside the chain of command from being ordered to appear in court.

JustRalph
02-01-2018, 08:50 PM
A couple more days, we won’t need the memo....

It’s pretty clear what’s coming

boxcar
02-01-2018, 08:59 PM
this is kind of funny, but probably has more truth than it should

https://politics.theonion.com/fbi-warns-republican-memo-could-undermine-faith-in-mass-1822639681

And this Wray character heads up the FIB (I meant to say the FBI, sorry)? How did someone with such limited critical thinking skills get the job in the first place? Case in point:

“If we take away the people’s faith in this shadowy monolith exempt from any consequences, all that’s left is an extensive network of rogue, unelected intelligence officers carrying out extrajudicial missions for a variety of subjective, and occasionally personal, reasons.”

First of all, he's all but making an admission of wrongdoing here! Why would he assume that the memo is going to have such a high negative impact on the American public? If there's nothing but the truth in there concerning those involved in the DOJ and FBI, then why shouldn't the American public come away with anything but praise for these two organizations?

Oh wait...I know...there's this preemptive strike kind of claim also out there that this memo has "material omissions" in it, which of course means the public won't be able to decide fairly because they don't have all the facts. Or to state this in other terms, the memo will be sorely lacking needed context. So, once again...the brainiacs in the FBI and the Dimwit Party have a solution for this: Don't give Americans any of the facts! This is their logic! Since all the facts are not laid out for the American people, then let's give Americans nothing. Nada. Zip. But it is begging to be asked: If there are "material omission" of facts, then why not inform the American public of those facts? Why not fill us in? Why not bring us to up to speed? Why not provide that much needed context?

And this brings me to the next point which builds on the last question: Why hide anything at all when Nunez has been accused of tampering and editing the memo? By the FBI supplying all the missing data, wouldn't this present a fantastic opportunity to bring Nunez, and by extension the entire GOP, down!? :bang::bang: Wouldn't all the facts shine the light of truth upon Nunez's dastardly and "treasonous" deeds? Wouldn't Nunez, at the very least, be forced to resign from Congress out of shame and humiliation? It seems to me from where I'm sitting, that the Dems and Deep State and the FBI, DOJ, Intelligence Community and whoever else may be involved in all this have an excellent opportunity to kill three birds with one stone: Trump, Nunez and the entire Republican Party -- simply by being open, honest and transparent with the American people. Why would the Dems pass up such a once-in-a-lifetime golden opportunity?

So, why hide anything at all? Wouldn't complete transparency increase the faith of the American people in this "shadowy monolith" that operates in the ivoy-towered, lily white halls of the DOJ, FBI and Intelligence community?. If the real concern of the Dems and the FBI is how the American people are going to react to some of the truth, fearing, very obviously (but also very oddly), that very many if not most Americans will recoil in disgust, then the way to head this kind of PR disaster off at the pass is to bring everything out in the open, especially since we all know that the Dems and the FBI have absolutely nothing to hide and, therefore, nothing to fear...except of course their own fears. :coffee:

chadk66
02-01-2018, 10:10 PM
this is kind of funny, but probably has more truth than it should

https://politics.theonion.com/fbi-warns-republican-memo-could-undermine-faith-in-mass-1822639681I think that damage happened a long time ago.

chadk66
02-01-2018, 10:11 PM
I hope this doesn't come out for a few more days. It's getting really entertaining watching the squirming going on. Hard to get this kind of entertainment for free.

davew
02-01-2018, 10:59 PM
And this Wray character heads up the FIB (I meant to say the FBI, sorry)? How did someone with such limited critical thinking skills get the job in the first place? Case in point:

“If we take away the people’s faith in this shadowy monolith exempt from any consequences, all that’s left is an extensive network of rogue, unelected intelligence officers carrying out extrajudicial missions for a variety of subjective, and occasionally personal, reasons.”

First of all, he's all but making an admission of wrongdoing here! Why would he assume that the memo is going to have such a high negative impact on the American public? If there's nothing but the truth in there concerning those involved in the DOJ and FBI, then why shouldn't the American public come away with anything but praise for these two organizations?

Oh wait...I know...there's this preemptive strike kind of claim also out there that this memo has "material omissions" in it, which of course means the public won't be able to decide fairly because they don't have all the facts. Or to state this in other terms, the memo will be sorely lacking needed context. So, once again...the brainiacs in the FBI and the Dimwit Party have a solution for this: Don't give Americans any of the facts! This is their logic! Since all the facts are not laid out for the American people, then let's give Americans nothing. Nada. Zip. But it is begging to be asked: If there are "material omission" of facts, then why not inform the American public of those facts? Why not fill us in? Why not bring us to up to speed? Why not provide that much needed context?

And this brings me to the next point which builds on the last question: Why hide anything at all when Nunez has been accused of tampering and editing the memo? By the FBI supplying all the missing data, wouldn't this present a fantastic opportunity to bring Nunez, and by extension the entire GOP, down!? :bang::bang: Wouldn't all the facts shine the light of truth upon Nunez's dastardly and "treasonous" deeds? Wouldn't Nunez, at the very least, be forced to resign from Congress out of shame and humiliation? It seems to me from where I'm sitting, that the Dems and Deep State and the FBI, DOJ, Intelligence Community and whoever else may be involved in all this have an excellent opportunity to kill three birds with one stone: Trump, Nunez and the entire Republican Party -- simply by being open, honest and transparent with the American people. Why would the Dems pass up such a once-in-a-lifetime golden opportunity?

So, why hide anything at all? Wouldn't complete transparency increase the faith of the American people in this "shadowy monolith" that operates in the ivoy-towered, lily white halls of the DOJ, FBI and Intelligence community?. If the real concern of the Dems and the FBI is how the American people are going to react to some of the truth, fearing, very obviously (but also very oddly), that very many if not most Americans will recoil in disgust, then the way to head this kind of PR disaster off at the pass is to bring everything out in the open, especially since we all know that the Dems and the FBI have absolutely nothing to hide and, therefore, nothing to fear...except of course their own fears. :coffee:

just to be clear, the onion is a parody site, similar to the crap mostpost always references.

woodtoo
02-01-2018, 11:40 PM
they had a FISA on Manafort for a long time prior to 2016 thats how they knew about those old crimes (pre-Trump) he was finally charged with.

Manafort may have been set up or part of the set up.

This is uglier than even I suspected....the Bigly Big Ugly....

of course Crooked Hilary is involved to the top of the collars of her pantsuits....

woodtoo
02-01-2018, 11:44 PM
C.Wray may be okay as he was brought in after the Comey firing with Trumps approval.

woodtoo
02-02-2018, 12:11 AM
The 3 lawyers for Manafort and Gates just quit. They probably realized they were being spied on under the same FISA as Manafort.

Ocala Mike
02-02-2018, 12:40 AM
And this Wray character heads up the FIB (I meant to say the FBI, sorry)? How did someone with such limited critical thinking skills get the job in the first place?

Hand-picked by the greatest president of all time, including Washington and Lincoln. "Only the best people" for his administration.

Clocker
02-02-2018, 01:13 AM
Hand-picked by the greatest president of all time, including Washington and Lincoln. "Only the best people" for his administration.

Based on actions so far, I think he has a good shot at "the greatest president of this century" to date.

boxcar
02-02-2018, 08:20 AM
Hand-picked by the greatest president of all time, including Washington and Lincoln. "Only the best people" for his administration.

Trump knows he isn't perfect. I believe he has corrected hire mistakes in the past with pink slips.

And I don't recall anyone here saying Trump is the greatest president ever. I certainly never did. But I will say that he is the most needed kind of president at this time in American history.

Just for the record to try to keep you from going off the deep end for your own welfare...

woodtoo
02-02-2018, 09:27 AM
Ground hog day is a day of reckoning, will he see his shadow government?

The tears of the swamp runneth over. :(

Tom
02-02-2018, 09:57 AM
OK, we have to get this whole thing under control.

POTUS Tuesday,
The memo maybe today?
Super Bowl Sunday,
More memes next week?

Let's ration this stuff out - we have a long winter left and we can only take so much jubilation every week!

davew
02-02-2018, 10:14 AM
The memo will show more 'transparency' of the 0bama administration and how they weaponized the 'national security' leadership

tucker6
02-02-2018, 11:45 AM
unredacted memo is being sent back to House with Trump's approval. We should know this afternoon what is in the memo.

Score one for the good guys!! :ThmbUp:

FantasticDan
02-02-2018, 12:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhNThHNmUCQ

Big Russ
02-02-2018, 12:03 PM
Ground hog day is a day of reckoning, will he see his shadow government?

The tears of the swamp runneth over. :(

Rise and shine! It's daylight in the swamp!

boxcar
02-02-2018, 12:41 PM
Rise and shine! It's daylight in the swamp!

And we already know that the dems put all their little eggies into one basket -- the Clinton ordered and bought "Steele dossier" - in order to obtain the FISA warrant. This is the same dossier that has never been corroborated, verified or confirmed.

Yes, the sun is coming up brightly in the Swamp and we're going to see a lot of [morally] butt ugly creatures.

FantasticDan
02-02-2018, 01:36 PM
https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/959493635145392128

FantasticDan
02-02-2018, 01:37 PM
https://twitter.com/maddow/status/959486962649493506

Nutz and Boltz
02-02-2018, 01:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhNThHNmUCQ

Gotta give it to Kimmel, he's good in explaining things in layman's terms. This whole thing is so screwy that we take the easy way out and just throw our hands up and go according to our party affiliation.

Show Me the Wire
02-02-2018, 01:54 PM
https://twitter.com/maddow/status/959486962649493506

An even more specious justification. Hearsay to the nth degree is not justification to violate an American citizen's 4th amendment rights.

reckless
02-02-2018, 02:01 PM
https://twitter.com/maddow/status/959486962649493506

I hope you and Rachel Maddow know that Papadopoulos and Carter Page were both very insignificant and quite minor-figures in the Trump campaign and transition teams.

I wouldn't want you to feel embarrassed or down-right silly when both of you are exposed for knowing so very little in this absurd get-Trump farce.

Just looking out for your best interests, FanDan. :)

Show Me the Wire
02-02-2018, 02:01 PM
Gotta give it to Kimmel, he's good in explaining things in layman's terms. This whole thing is so screwy that we take the easy way out and just throw our hands up and go according to our party affiliation.

This is not a party affiliation problem. This is about all American citizens.
It is about the standard used to set aside American citizens' Constitutional rights and the protection of those rights. Acquiring a warrant based on unverified political opposition research cited as probable cause is abuse of the right to privacy.

chadk66
02-02-2018, 02:20 PM
well Mueller can pack up his shit and head for home. and the FBI cleansing can begin.

elysiantraveller
02-02-2018, 02:25 PM
I'm honestly failing to see what the big deal in this memo is...

Even Chris Wallace at Fox News says it doesn't amount to much and is omitting too much to be much more than a political hit piece.

Wasn't the Papadopolous issue what kicked off the FBI anyway?

Clocker
02-02-2018, 02:27 PM
It is about the standard used to set aside American citizens' Constitutional rights and the protection of those rights. Acquiring a warrant based on unverified political opposition research cited as probable cause is abuse of the right to privacy.

This is the big point here, at least so far. The issue is the slimy process used to get the FISA warrant. It seems clear that the warrant would not have been obtained without the Steele dossier. The DOJ and the FBI knew that the dossier was opposition research paid for by the Democrats, but did not disclose that origin in the FISA application.

The FISA Application also cited a Michael Isikoff article (Yahoo News) as "corroborating information" for the Steele dossier, knowing that the Isikoff article was based on information leaked to Isikoff by Steele.

After getting the warrant, the FBI fired Steele for breaking rules of confidentiality, but continued to use the dossier as evidence to get extensions on the warrant.

woodtoo
02-02-2018, 02:38 PM
I hope you and Rachel Maddow know that Papadopoulos and Carter Page were both very insignificant and quite minor-figures in the Trump campaign and transition teams.

I wouldn't want you to feel embarrassed or down-right silly when both of you are exposed for knowing so very little in this absurd get-Trump farce.

Just looking out for your best interests, FanDan. :)

Carter Page was under a FISA it was extended after 90 days as required 3 times, each renewal requires a separate finding of probable cause. James Comey then signed 3 more FISA applications.

This is chain FISA not to surveill Page but Trump Tower itself. Lots of guilty parties involved just in FISA issues.
Comey, McCabe, Rosenstein, Yates, Dana Boente justo name a few, plenty more below in rank and plenty above also.

Very sad Dannyboy is fine with corruption when PROVEN. Such as it is with
Hilary/Obama fanboys.:rolleyes:

Clocker
02-02-2018, 02:45 PM
Gotta give it to Kimmel, he's good in explaining things in layman's terms.

I found the high school yearbook picture to be especially informative in explaining the issues.

I watched about half of that and gave up because it was the usual uninformed rant about those dirty bastages on the other side. And a lot of people on both sides are guilty of this, driven by emotion and ignorance.

FantasticDan
02-02-2018, 03:02 PM
https://twitter.com/zackbeauchamp/status/959512390940413953

boxcar
02-02-2018, 03:52 PM
https://twitter.com/zackbeauchamp/status/959512390940413953

Hey, Fanny, write to this brainiac and tell him to bring on all that "missing" data. Let it see the light of day! As I wrote last night, this is the dimwits' once-in-a-lifetime golden opportunity to take down Trump, Nunez and the Republican Party. And wouldn't this monumental takedown guarantee their takeover of the WH in '20 and the Senate and Congress later this year?

I say it again...the Dems, the DOJ and/or FBI need to rescue all that critically missing data from the darkenss of the Swamp, so that we can all see it and understand it rightly. How can you beloved Party of Evil not capitalize on this "constitutional crisis" and save America? :coffee:

stuball
02-02-2018, 04:26 PM
Hearsay to the nth degree is not sufficient evidence for fisa
These people will rue the day they said more evidence it will only get worse and worse
and why are they quitting left and right --- retirement hell no take it all away from them

davew
02-02-2018, 04:35 PM
Dan Bongino ties most of it together, but it is too complicated for the dim americans to understand. It shows how the DNC, 0bama and top national security workers used FISA to help divert attention away from their illegal actions and try to pin it on Trump to get him out before their treachery exposed...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aA28yI4i5A&t=3511s

FantasticDan
02-02-2018, 05:09 PM
https://twitter.com/rvawonk/status/958911621539225601

FantasticDan
02-02-2018, 05:14 PM
https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/959534533807878144

boxcar
02-02-2018, 05:26 PM
https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/959534533807878144

Wow! Did Nunez and Trump collude or worse yet...conspire? :eek:

Have you contacted you congress critters urging them to release all the data that is missing in the memo?

Clocker
02-02-2018, 05:27 PM
Hey remember when @RepDevinNunes (https://twitter.com/RepDevinNunes) was forced to recuse himself from the Russia investigation last year for lying and engaging in a coverup on behalf of Trump? But then he didn't recuse himself and he lied again while engaging in another coverup on behalf of Trump?

Hey, remember when Obama said if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor?

Attacking Nunes isn't going to change the facts. The memo says that DOJ and the FBI knowingly submitted opposition research paid for by the Democrats, but did not disclose the origin in the FISA application. If that is true, no amount of deflection with personal attacks is going to change that or make it any less serious.

davew
02-02-2018, 05:27 PM
https://twitter.com/rvawonk/status/958911621539225601

I do not remember Nunes being forced to recuse himself. I remember him stepping aside while the ethics committee investigated his actions (on urging by dims). But my memory is not clouded like Schiffs...

davew
02-02-2018, 05:29 PM
Wow! Did Nunez and Trump collude or worse yet...conspire? :eek:

Have you contacted you congress critters urging them to release all the data that is missing in the memo?


yes there was more than 1 person so they CONSPIRED to expose the lawlessness and corruption by 0bamas, DNC and Hillary crew...

Nutz and Boltz
02-02-2018, 05:33 PM
I found the high school yearbook picture to be especially informative in explaining the issues.

I watched about half of that and gave up because it was the usual uninformed rant about those dirty bastages on the other side. And a lot of people on both sides are guilty of this, driven by emotion and ignorance.

Not saying he's right about anything, he's just better than wacko Colbert.

jocko699
02-02-2018, 05:33 PM
https://twitter.com/rvawonk/status/958911621539225601

Hey remember when Danny boy was the smartest guy around here?

Me neither:pound::pound::pound:

mostpost
02-02-2018, 05:35 PM
This is the big point here, at least so far. The issue is the slimy process used to get the FISA warrant. It seems clear that the warrant would not have been obtained without the Steele dossier.
That only seems clear because the memo omits all the other evidence used to justify the warrants. It omits the fact that Page had been on the FBI radar since 2013.

The DOJ and the FBI knew that the dossier was opposition research paid for by the Democrats, but did not disclose that origin in the FISA application.
There are reports that the FISA court was informed of the political context of the Steele dossier.


The FISA Application also cited a Michael Isikoff article (Yahoo News) as "corroborating information" for the Steele dossier, knowing that the Isikoff article was based on information leaked to Isikoff by Steele.

After getting the warrant, the FBI fired Steele for breaking rules of confidentiality, but continued to use the dossier as evidence to get extensions on the warrant.
The memo claims the dossier was the only source for the surveillance approved by the FISA Court. The Democrats, the FBI, and the Justice Department claim that other evidence was presented that was ignored by the memo.

The memo claims that the FISA Court was unaware of the origins of the Steele dossier. Yet there are sources who claim that information was presented to the FISA court.

The memo claims that Steele was fired by the FBI casting doubt on the veracity of the information he provided. But he was fired for violating confidentiality agreements; not for falsifying information. In fact, Steele has a stellar reputation world wide.

reckless
02-02-2018, 05:36 PM
So far it looks like all these Trump haters ... including also all those haters of freedom and liberty: the Democrats, the media, far left kooks and the criminal elements in the FBI, DoJ, et al, all want to stop this memo from the public view. But, since they now can't, they want to discredit a hero and patriot, Nunes, from simply doing the right thing.

If the memo tells us nothing and if Nunes is a nut, the American people know better to make their own decisions about all this.

Again, why all the vitriol from those that say the memo is a nothing burger? They must know something, huh ...

elysiantraveller
02-02-2018, 05:36 PM
Hey, remember when Obama said if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor?

Attacking Nunes isn't going to change the facts. The memo says that DOJ and the FBI knowingly submitted opposition research paid for by the Democrats, but did not disclose the origin in the FISA application. If that is true, no amount of deflection with personal attacks is going to change that or make it any less serious.

I guess.

This certainly isn't a bombshell at all. If that was the sole reason for the warrant I guess it would be a big deal. I highly doubt that is the case though. Since the memo itself says it wasn't and the origin came from Papadopolous...

Quite frankly this whole thing is exhausting. I don't know why we can't just let a investigation run it's course. I'm not a huge fan of our most secret court tasked with national security being exposed by partisans.

Clocker
02-02-2018, 05:48 PM
Pelosi says that if Trump uses the memo as an excuse to fire Rosenstein or Mueller, it could lead to a constitutional crisis.

"He has abdicated his responsibilities as commander in chief to protect the American people by protecting our intelligence sources and the rest," she said of Trump. Now opposition research paid for by the DNC is part of our "intelligence sources"? :D

No rational person on either side of the aisle has denied that Trump has the constitutional power to fire either of those guys. So what's the constitutional crisis?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/02/02/pelosi_warns_if_trump_uses_memo_to_fire_rosenstein _mueller_will_trigger_constitutional_crisis.html

FantasticDan
02-02-2018, 05:59 PM
Attacking Nunes isn't going to change the facts. The memo says that DOJ and the FBI knowingly submitted opposition research paid for by the Democrats, but did not disclose the origin in the FISA application. If that is true, no amount of deflection with personal attacks is going to change that or make it any less serious.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/1/16956290/nunes-memo-release-the-memo-fbi-russia

In July 2016, while advising the Trump campaign, Page flew to Moscow and met with Russian officials. This raised eyebrows among US intelligence officers, to say the least. So the FBI and DOJ put together an application to a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court — a court that approves surveillance warrants pertaining to national security and foreign intelligence — to start watching Page. The court granted the application.

The Nunes memo alleges that this surveillance was not properly vetted by the court; specifically, that it relied on the now-infamous Steele dossier, the document prepared by former British spy Christopher Steele alleging the existence of a conspiracy between Donald Trump and the Russian government. Steele’s research was, partially and indirectly, financed by the Clinton campaign — which the memo alleges is a major problem.

The Steele dossier, Nunes writes in the memo, “formed an essential part of the Carter Page application.” Nunes goes on to suggest that the application omitted several key facts about the Steele dossier that undermine its credibility, the most notable being the dossier’s financial backing from Democrats, and that Steele himself expressed opposition to Donald Trump becoming president.

There are lots of problems with the memo’s line of reasoning. For one thing, Steele is a respected investigator, and some of his dossier’s less explosive allegations have so far proven to be true. The FBI’s surveillance application may have relied on Steele’s findings, but if that’s true, it doesn’t necessarily discredit the application.

The memo’s claims are also impossible to evaluate without seeing the underlying intelligence it was based on. Nunes could have highlighted the FBI’s citation of Steele without mentioning other, more concrete sources the agency listed.

Moreover, the FBI relies on sources with axes to grind all the time — people typically don’t go to the authorities with damaging information about people they like. The key question in an application like this isn’t whether the source liked the target; it’s whether the specific claims they’re making are credible. The memo doesn’t address this at all.

Perhaps most fundamentally, the memo doesn’t ever substantiate core assertions about political bias on the FBI’s part. The memo’s overall method of argument is to imply something suspicious without asserting malfeasance outright.

For example, the memo repeatedly notes that the DOJ knew that “political actors” were involved in the financing the Steele dossier. It implies that the FBI knew they were Democrats and chose to ignore it.

But that’s never clearly stated, and for good reason. The firm that employed Steele was initially contracted by a conservative publication, the Washington Free Beacon, not any Democrats or Democratic political campaign. It’s possible the FBI knew of the Free Beacon’s involvement or was aware that some political actor was involved in funding it — but didn’t know about the Clinton campaign’s involvement. The memo never clarifies which “political actors” it means.

This is why the early assessment from intelligence experts is that there isn’t really a lot of there there.

“If this is their evidence of ‘Worse than Watergate,’ it’s thin,” Julian Sanchez, an expert on surveillance at the libertarian Cato Institute, writes. “This reads like something you’d put together to *sound* scandalous to someone who isn’t going to parse it closely.”

boxcar
02-02-2018, 06:01 PM
I guess.

This certainly isn't a bombshell at all. If that was the sole reason for the warrant I guess it would be a big deal. I highly doubt that is the case though. Since the memo itself says it wasn't and the origin came from Papadopolous...

Quite frankly this whole thing is exhausting. I don't know why we can't just let a investigation run it's course. I'm not a huge fan of our most secret court tasked with national security being exposed by partisans.

Newsflash:

The dossier “formed an essential part of the Carter Page FISA application.”

https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/02/nunes-memo-alleges-fbi-used-dossier-to-get-fisa-warrant-on-trump-campaign-member/

In fact, it was the only document used to obtain the warrant! That's how ESSENTIAL it was. If it wasn't the only one, the deep state would have by now produced the other documents and they won't simply because there aren't any! Try to keep up, ET and resist the great temptation of Denial. (You can ride your bike and chew gum, right?)

JustRalph
02-02-2018, 06:04 PM
They formed a conspiracy to perpetrate a fraud on the FISA court.

Including 250 unmasking’s based off a document paid for by Hillary.

davew
02-02-2018, 06:06 PM
Quite frankly this whole thing is exhausting. I don't know why we can't just let a investigation run it's course. I'm not a huge fan of our most secret court tasked with national security being exposed by partisans.

Because the people being investigated lie or eliminate evidence to protect their 'group'. They are obstructing justice and slowing all investigations down to a crawl...

boxcar
02-02-2018, 06:10 PM
They formed a conspiracy to perpetrate a fraud on the FISA court.

Including 250 unmasking’s based off a document paid for by Hillary.

And the Steele Dossier was no more genuine intelligence than than the moon is real cheese. It was fake intelligence! It was strictly a political opposition research document for the dems' to use against their enemy Trump.

FantasticDan
02-02-2018, 06:25 PM
https://twitter.com/SenJohnMcCain/status/959471227038584834

https://twitter.com/JohnKasich/status/959494487297929217

elysiantraveller
02-02-2018, 06:26 PM
Newsflash:

The dossier “formed an essential part of the Carter Page FISA application.”

https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/02/nunes-memo-alleges-fbi-used-dossier-to-get-fisa-warrant-on-trump-campaign-member/

In fact, it was the only document used to obtain the warrant! That's how ESSENTIAL it was. If it wasn't the only one, the deep state would have by now produced the other documents and they won't simply because there aren't any! Try to keep up, ET and resist the great temptation of Denial. (You can ride your bike and chew gum, right?)

We don't know that.

According to Nunes it was an essential part but then his report goes on to state that the Papadopolous memos were also integral and that the FISA on Carter Page did yield separate findings on three different occasions to extend the warrant and provide grounds for probable cause.

This was a highly partisan piece maybe to combat a partisan DOJ and investigation but we simply don't know everything. Nor do I really think the public should in these matters. Even absolute worst case this is a partisan investigation is whacking people that broke the law.

If this investigation wraps up and a couple of low hanging fruit get time for breaking the law who really cares?

We the public don't control the flow of information and the White House is putting out what they want us to see at this time.

elysiantraveller
02-02-2018, 06:27 PM
Because the people being investigated lie or eliminate evidence to protect their 'group'. They are obstructing justice and slowing all investigations down to a crawl...

Both sides are doing that.

elysiantraveller
02-02-2018, 06:29 PM
They formed a conspiracy to perpetrate a fraud on the FISA court.

Including 250 unmasking’s based off a document paid for by Hillary.

What conspiracy? I'm honestly just asking.

Tom
02-02-2018, 07:32 PM
This is not a party affiliation problem. This is about all American citizens.
It is about the standard used to set aside American citizens' Constitutional rights and the protection of those rights. Acquiring a warrant based on unverified political opposition research cited as probable cause is abuse of the right to privacy.
You know who else did shit like this?

Hitler
Stalin
Putin
Lil Kim
Mao


The dems are in very good company.
This is not serious because of parities - it is serious because those doing it are undermining the very fabric of our nation.
This is treason of the first degree.

Tom
02-02-2018, 07:35 PM
The latest attacks on the FBI and Department of Justice serve no American interests – no party’s, no president’s, only Putin’s.

shut up, McCain and go home.
YOU serve no American interest anymore.
Thanks for your service, but

Dismissed. Don't let the hit door hit your ass on the way out.

Tom
02-02-2018, 07:38 PM
This is the big point here, at least so far. The issue is the slimy process used to get the FISA warrant. It seems clear that the warrant would not have been obtained without the Steele dossier.

The dem knew it, paid for it, used it, and NOW that the cat is out of the bag, they are concerned about it.

Tough nuggies - people need to go to prison for a very long time, at best.

davew
02-02-2018, 07:38 PM
shut up, McCain and go home.
YOU serve no American interest anymore.
Thanks for your service, but

Dismissed. Don't let the hit door hit your ass on the way out.

don't forget that McCain was an anti-trumper and his last campaign gave some money to Steele for the 'dossier'

boxcar
02-02-2018, 08:50 PM
We don't know that.

According to Nunes it was an essential part but then his report goes on to state that the Papadopolous memos were also integral and that the FISA on Carter Page did yield separate findings on three different occasions to extend the warrant and provide grounds for probable cause.

This was a highly partisan piece maybe to combat a partisan DOJ and investigation but we simply don't know everything. Nor do I really think the public should in these matters. Even absolute worst case this is a partisan investigation is whacking people that broke the law.

If this investigation wraps up and a couple of low hanging fruit get time for breaking the law who really cares?

We the public don't control the flow of information and the White House is putting out what they want us to see at this time.

Ahh...so you're a BUT(T) Monkey, heh? They were essential...BUT...

If the Papadopolous memos were so important -- actually essential to the FISA warrant -- we'd be talking about those memos as opposed to the Steele dossier or at least talking about both of them. And if they were so important, those memos would have been made public by that horrible, disgusting partisan IOC chaired by Nunez. Why would the IOC withhold that info from us. Trump signed off on the memo's release but sent it back to Congress to give them the final say.

Oh wait...I know what's going on -- that Papadopolous stuff is Schiff's secret weapon -- it's the Dem's memo. I can't wait until the smug, self-righteous, holier-than-thou dimwits save the country by releasing their memo.

elysiantraveller
02-02-2018, 09:02 PM
Ahh...so you're a BUT(T) Monkey, heh? They were essential...BUT...

If the Papadopolous memos were so important -- actually essential to the FISA warrant -- we'd be talking about those memos as opposed to the Steele dossier or at least talking about both of them. And if they were so important, those memos would have been made public by that horrible, disgusting partisan IOC chaired by Nunez. Why would the IOC withhold that info from us. Trump signed off on the memo's release but sent it back to Congress to give them the final say.

Oh wait...I know what's going on -- that Papadopolous stuff is Schiff's secret weapon -- it's the Dem's memo. I can't wait until the smug, self-righteous, holier-than-thou dimwits save the country by releasing their memo.

I'm really not taking sides in this but the Nunes memo states that the Papadapolous memo was a reason behind the FISA as well.

It's in there. It says it.

I'm not really surprised by what's in the memo as now I'm more curious about what's not. That said I hope we don't get a Democrat memo because I really don't like this level of partisanship. In a perfect world this investigation would be allowed to just go about it's business and release it's findings at the end. The Administration says nothing will be found so just let them go about their business.

In the end it so far has a few people who obviously broke the law. That's still a good thing right?

fast4522
02-02-2018, 09:10 PM
What conspiracy? I'm honestly just asking.

Trickle down corruption of the law, and it still was not enough to stop the Trump train. The backwash felt by liberals, socialist, and commies will be felt in legislation for years to come.

boxcar
02-02-2018, 10:05 PM
I'm really not taking sides in this but the Nunes memo states that the Papadapolous memo was a reason behind the FISA as well.

It's in there. It says it.

I'm not really surprised by what's in the memo as now I'm more curious about what's not. That said I hope we don't get a Democrat memo because I really don't like this level of partisanship. In a perfect world this investigation would be allowed to just go about it's business and release it's findings at the end. The Administration says nothing will be found so just let them go about their business.

In the end it so far has a few people who obviously broke the law. That's still a good thing right?

Who should go about their business doing what? You mean Mueller should continue to investigate Trump until the cows drop dead trying to get home? And Trump should be investigated for what crime, specifically? (You do know that special counsels, by law, are supposed be very restricted into what they are investigating?) So, what should Trump be investigated for: Colluding with the Russians? If after all this time, they haven't come up with anything on Trump, you expect they will by what the end of the year? The end of 2019? During the 2020 elections? And what if Trump gets reelected? Keep letting the do its business, right? Maybe you can buy Mueller a few litter boxes for the next few years, along with replacement kitty litter, so that he can feel comfortable doing his business. :coffee:

boxcar
02-02-2018, 10:12 PM
Dan Bongino ties most of it together, but it is too complicated for the dim americans to understand. It shows how the DNC, 0bama and top national security workers used FISA to help divert attention away from their illegal actions and try to pin it on Trump to get him out before their treachery exposed...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aA28yI4i5A&t=3511s

Dave, I'm about 80% through Bongino's show. Fascinating stuff! I think one could easily surmise that Bongino has provided quite a bit of the material facts that were omitted in the "memo" -- unless of course, one is led to believe in an unbelievably long string of coincidences.

FantasticDan
02-02-2018, 10:16 PM
https://twitter.com/davidafrench/status/959589416783306752

chadk66
02-02-2018, 10:30 PM
supposedly this memo is only about 10% of what is going to eventually be shown to the american people. The question now is whether or not the FISA judge comes after those in the FBI that committed fraud in obtaining the warrants on at least three occasions. I will go out on a limb and say they will seek to prosecute these individuals to regain trust in the FISA system. And honestly it's the right thing to do. Another big question is how many will be sent packing at the FBI by monday. I'm guessing at least three will be gone. Rosenstein will probably be gone also. But that may be a couple weeks. How soon the case gets reopened on Hillary will also be very interesting. And I will be totally amazed if that doesn't happen. For all intents and purposes Mueller is done. Just a matter of getting his office cleared out. Boy the next couple months are going to be totally awesome. The Swamp is being drained at a very rapid pace now folks. What's rather amazing is that Trump knew how deep the swamp was.

JustRalph
02-02-2018, 10:43 PM
Chad

You have way too much confidence in Sessions.

Mueller will indict somebody. He’s the last great hope of the left. Trump should have fired him weeks ago.

The public saw through all the shit during the election. Hopefully they will see through the media lies.

The reputation of the FBI and Justice will suffer most.

But Sessions could rehabilitate the Justice Dept. by locking up some high profile types on the left. Including media members who were complicit. Isikoff im sure is talking to a lawyer.

Lots of people taking the fifth in the coming two years or so.

FantasticDan
02-02-2018, 10:47 PM
https://twitter.com/markwarner/status/959485844011864065

chadk66
02-02-2018, 10:48 PM
your gonna see a huge fire lit under sessions ass and if he doesn't perform he goes down the swamp drain. I think Trumps done pissing around now. The gloves are coming off.

chadk66
02-02-2018, 10:50 PM
https://twitter.com/markwarner/status/959485844011864065
guess what. very soon were all gonna get to read those underlying pages. the cries from the left are totally meaningless at this point.

davew
02-03-2018, 01:04 AM
wow, none of it is true... I can't wait for the dim version that they threaten to release (but probably won't because it threatens national security).

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sources-devin-nunes-memo-is-100-wrong-about-andrew-mccabe-and-steele-dossier-for-carter-page-fisa-warrant?source=articles_sum&via=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thedailybeast%2Farticles+%28T he+Daily+Beast+-+Latest+Articles%29

fast4522
02-03-2018, 02:41 AM
Chad

You have way too much confidence in Sessions.

Mueller will indict somebody. He’s the last great hope of the left. Trump should have fired him weeks ago.

The public saw through all the shit during the election. Hopefully they will see through the media lies.

The reputation of the FBI and Justice will suffer most.

But Sessions could rehabilitate the Justice Dept. by locking up some high profile types on the left. Including media members who were complicit. Isikoff im sure is talking to a lawyer.

Lots of people taking the fifth in the coming two years or so.

JR,

Do not be surprised if the #2 at DOJ himself shuts down Mueller, there is more to come that is bad suggesting everything done so far was unlawful because the FISA court was misused. There will be an extreme effort to blanket further damage, Sessions will meet with everyone at the DOJ that has input in how to blanket it without breaking the law and possibly dismissing charges as a preemptive solution for lawsuits that will follow. I expect that secret court will go after infractions, I don't know how but think things might be swift.

reckless
02-03-2018, 05:48 AM
don't forget that McCain was an anti-trumper and his last campaign gave some money to Steele for the 'dossier'

And you can add GOP clowns David French and John Kasich, plus Mark Warner -- Trump bashers and cowards -- of whom our very own Fan Dan provided us their 'advise and commentary'.

elysiantraveller
02-03-2018, 06:52 AM
Who should go about their business doing what? You mean Mueller should continue to investigate Trump until the cows drop dead trying to get home? And Trump should be investigated for what crime, specifically? (You do know that special counsels, by law, are supposed be very restricted into what they are investigating?) So, what should Trump be investigated for: Colluding with the Russians? If after all this time, they haven't come up with anything on Trump, you expect they will by what the end of the year? The end of 2019? During the 2020 elections? And what if Trump gets reelected? Keep letting the do its business, right? Maybe you can buy Mueller a few litter boxes for the next few years, along with replacement kitty litter, so that he can feel comfortable doing his business. :coffee:

Your argument is essentially when is enough, enough?

I don't know what the investigation has or is working on but it's hardly dragged out that long. Timeline wise it's not far off of Watergate and it's scope is much wider as it's international.

I would even suspect it's starting to come to a conclusion hence the enhanced attempts at this point to discredit and undermine it.

Like I said before if there isn't any wrong doing why the massive push to undermine it and attack those involved? I don't feel the memo really said much or proved anything except the narrative it was meant to bolster.

Carter Page has been subject to FISA in the past.

Christopher Steele has been a valued intelligence asset in the past.

Papadapolous is an idiot who implicated himself in talks with the Australian government.

The investigation has already brought several criminal charges... success? Or I'll phrase it this way, if this investigation wraps up in the next couple of months and nothing is brought against the administration but a bunch of shady people like Manafort, Pap, and Flynn are brought down that's good right?

woodtoo
02-03-2018, 07:26 AM
Your argument is essentially when is enough, enough?

The investigation has already brought several criminal charges... success? Or I'll phrase it this way, if this investigation wraps up in the next couple of months and nothing is brought against the administration but a bunch of shady people like Manafort, Pap, and Flynn are brought down that's good right?

Manafort was under FISA for years and could have been charged at anytime, a special prosecuter was never NEEDED. Old crime. His FISA was used to spy on innocent Americans.

Pap is a stooge a nobody.

Flynn was a process crime that in all likely hood will be tossed.

So to answer your question, a big waste of time, money and effort.

Sad you can't see beyond your own nose, calling Gen. Flynn a shady person tells us all we need to know about you.

Big Russ
02-03-2018, 08:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmlnltVzksg

chadk66
02-03-2018, 08:46 AM
Manafort was under FISA for years and could have been charged at anytime, a special prosecuter was never NEEDED. Old crime. His FISA was used to spy on innocent Americans.

Pap is a stooge a nobody.

Flynn was a process crime that in all likely hood will be tossed.

So to answer your question, a big waste of time, money and effort.

Sad you can't see beyond your own nose, calling Gen. Flynn a shady person tells us all we need to know about you.aside from Manafort there will be nothing from the Mueller probe. Mueller is probably packing his office shit up right now. His investigation is meaningless at this point. And the Manafort charge could possibly get tossed to the side just for gravy.
This is the most disgusting this country has ever seen involving government/FBI. There will be many fired over this.

Fager Fan
02-03-2018, 09:01 AM
https://twitter.com/rvawonk/status/958911621539225601

Who the hell is Caroline O. and why do you think any of us care what she thinks?

Is it impossible for you to form your own thoughts that you have to continuously steal other people's?

boxcar
02-03-2018, 09:16 AM
Like I said before if there isn't any wrong doing why the massive push to undermine it and attack those involved? I don't feel the memo really said much or proved anything except the narrative it was meant to bolster.

Ooh...that's a tough question, but I'll give it a shot. Because there was a lot of wrong-doing by "those involved" in investigating Trump? That all the charges against Trump were fabricated out of whole cloth (good pun intended) and were politically motivated for the sole purpose of unseating Trump from the presidency? Because a Trump victory in 2016 just wasn't in the dimwits' game plan?

When there's a crime being investigated, all cops look for motive and opportunity. And God only knows, with this cast of characters involved in this investigation, Trump had more than his fair share of animus-filled enemies -- starting with the Obama Administration, the Hillary Campaign, and a host of individual players, such as Steele, Page, Carter, Strozk, Comey, Mueller, etc., etc. And of course there was ample opportunity for the Obama Admin. and the Hillary Campaign to use the DOJ and FBI as their willing pawns in their ongoing attempts to overturn the results of the 2016 election.

elysiantraveller
02-03-2018, 09:17 AM
Manafort was under FISA for years and could have been charged at anytime, a special prosecuter was never NEEDED. Old crime. His FISA was used to spy on innocent Americans.

Pap is a stooge a nobody.

Flynn was a process crime that in all likely hood will be tossed.

So to answer your question, a big waste of time, money and effort.

Sad you can't see beyond your own nose, calling Gen. Flynn a shady person tells us all we need to know about you.

The special prosecutor was set up after Comey was fired. Trump is responsible for that.

elysiantraveller
02-03-2018, 09:28 AM
Ooh...that's a tough question, but I'll give it a shot. Because there was a lot of wrong-doing by "those involved" in investigating Trump? That all the charges against Trump were fabricated out of whole cloth (good pun intended) and were politically motivated for the sole purpose of unseating Trump from the presidency? Because a Trump victory in 2016 just wasn't in the dimwits' game plan?

There are no charges against Trump at this point so what does it matter?

You aren't answering you're dodging.

Quite frankly, if he personally had no involvement, and I'm inclined to believe that, why the hell is everyone so bent out of shape...?

Instead of just letting it continue you all claim "witch hunt! witch hunt!" when even if that was the case it has resulted in arrests and charges even the most ardent Trump supporter doesn't deny are legitimate.

elysiantraveller
02-03-2018, 09:33 AM
supposedly this memo is only about 10% of what is going to eventually be shown to the american people. The question now is whether or not the FISA judge comes after those in the FBI that committed fraud in obtaining the warrants on at least three occasions. I will go out on a limb and say they will seek to prosecute these individuals to regain trust in the FISA system. And honestly it's the right thing to do. Another big question is how many will be sent packing at the FBI by monday. I'm guessing at least three will be gone. Rosenstein will probably be gone also. But that may be a couple weeks. How soon the case gets reopened on Hillary will also be very interesting. And I will be totally amazed if that doesn't happen. For all intents and purposes Mueller is done. Just a matter of getting his office cleared out. Boy the next couple months are going to be totally awesome. The Swamp is being drained at a very rapid pace now folks. What's rather amazing is that Trump knew how deep the swamp was.

So if we only know 10%. A select 10% mind you. The other 90% couldn't possibly be anything else but more "fraud?"

By your own admission this whole attempt to delegitimize the investigation is based on 10% knowledge huh? :confused:

woodtoo
02-03-2018, 10:05 AM
Steele admitted to Bruce Ohr (FBI) in Sept.2016 " he was desperate Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being President"

This was recorded in official FBI files- but not reflected in any FISA applications.

He's a limey and supposedly wrote the dossier....I think Nellie Ohr who worked for Fusion actually wrote most of the dossier.

elysiantraveller
02-03-2018, 10:13 AM
Steele admitted to Bruce Ohr (FBI) in Sept.2016 " he was desperate Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being President"

This was recorded in official FBI files- but not reflected in any FISA applications.

He's a limey and supposedly wrote the dossier....I think Nellie Ohr who worked for Fusion actually wrote most of the dossier.

I get all of that but he turned his information over to the FBI for that exact reason. Both can be true and one can beget the other. He had intel on the Trump campaign which is why he contacted the FBI to begin with and ALSO why he didn't want to see him elected.

Its certainly a plausible explanation... at least as plausible as some vast left-wing conspiracy.

But honestly it doesn't matter the Papadopolous conversation is what originally triggered FBI interest. The Nunes Memo even admits this.

woodtoo
02-03-2018, 10:19 AM
Problem is Steele had no intel, it was a farse, made up shit.:rolleyes:

woodtoo
02-03-2018, 10:26 AM
Robert Mueller was FBI director when he signed the original FISA on Carter Page in 2013, he should resign because of this conflict. He is in this as deep as anyone.

With Carter Page's help the FBI brought down a Russian spy ring, he should be receiving a medal.

woodtoo
02-03-2018, 10:41 AM
Latest POTUS tweet:
this memo totally vindicates "Trump" in probe. But the Russian witch hunt goes on and on. There was no Collusion there was no Obstrution
( the word now used because, after one year of looking endlessly and finding NOTHING, collusion is dead). This is an American disgrace!

POTUS has one request to FBI, MAGA or resign. IMO.:headbanger:

davew
02-03-2018, 11:02 AM
Who the hell is Caroline O. and why do you think any of us care what she thinks?

Is it impossible for you to form your own thoughts that you have to continuously steal other people's?

FanDan acts like a Russian bot, accuracy is not as important as volume

FantasticDan
02-03-2018, 11:39 AM
https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/959662007816458240

boxcar
02-03-2018, 11:48 AM
There are no charges against Trump at this point so what does it matter?

You aren't answering you're dodging.

Quite frankly, if he personally had no involvement, and I'm inclined to believe that, why the hell is everyone so bent out of shape...?

Instead of just letting it continue you all claim "witch hunt! witch hunt!" when even if that was the case it has resulted in arrests and charges even the most ardent Trump supporter doesn't deny are legitimate.

But there are charges --numerous accusations. Avail yourself of a dictionary and look up the definition of "accusation". You might also lay your hands on a thesaurus to look up the verb "charge". Shirely, you're not going to tell us that Trump hasn't been charged with any wrongdoing, are you?

Are you that shallow of a thinker that you can't reason beyond the superficial to the very profound implications of a fake investigation motivated entirely by hate for Trump by his political enemies? You don't see a coups in the making? The dimwits and rinos feign such concern for preserving the sanctity of our most sacred and vaunted government institutions such as the DOJ and FBI and other agencies, and warn that if we dare call any suspicion on their activities, we're endangering the very fabric of our national existence which is built upon the Constitution. We'll have a crisis on on our hands, they say! God forbid!!! Long Live the Constitution! Let's do away with this horrible distraction and turn our attention again to the real "high crimes and misdemeanors" that are being rightfully investigated. Yada, yada, yada. :rolleyes::rolleyes: Really? Well what about what the Constitution has to say about the right of Americans to duly elect a president to lead our country? It's funny how the dimwits are so big in getting everyone to exercise their constitutional right to vote when they conduct their huge "Get Out the Vote" campaigns prior to an election -- but then when the result of an election doesn't square too swell with them -- well then... screw the voters and the Constitution they rode in on and let's see what we can do to unseat this [duly elected] moron that we despise and replace him with someone we can live with. And in the process, we'll teach the morons who voted for Trump to not mess again with the enlightened establishment by voting for an outsider.

If you don't like this answer...I can probably do even better... :coffee:

woodtoo
02-03-2018, 11:50 AM
Your mothership has arrived.:lol: Boarding at five.

woodtoo
02-03-2018, 11:55 AM
But there are charges --numerous accusations. Avail yourself of a dictionary and look up the definition of "accusation". You might also lay your hands on a thesaurus to look up the verb "charge". Shirely, you're not going to tell us that Trump hasn't been charged with any wrongdoing, are you?

Are you that shallow of a thinker that you can't reason beyond the superficial to the very profound implications of a fake investigation motivated entirely by hate for Trump by his political enemies? You don't see a coups in the making? The dimwits and rinos feign such concern for preserving the sanctity of our most sacred and vaunted government institutions such as the DOJ and FBI and other agencies, and warn that if we dare call any suspicion on their activities, we're endangering the very fabric of our national existence which is built upon the Constitution. We'll have a crisis on on our hands, they say! God forbid!!! Long Live the Constitution! Let's do away with this horrible distraction and turn our attention again to the real "high crimes and misdemeanors" that are being rightfully investigated. Yada, yada, yada. :rolleyes::rolleyes: Really? Well what about what the Constitution has to say about the right of Americans to duly elect a president to lead our country? It's funny how the dimwits are so big in getting everyone to exercise their constitutional right to vote when they conduct their huge "Get Out the Vote" campaigns prior to an election -- but then when the result of an election doesn't square too swell with them -- well then... screw the voters and the Constitution they rode in on and let's see what we can do to unseat this [duly elected] moron that we despise and replace him with someone we can live with. And in the process, we'll teach the morons who voted for Trump to not mess again with the enlightened establishment by voting for an outsider.

If you don't like this answer...I can probably do even better... :coffee:

This was a well thought out and written response for all to read but.....

you never answered his question, did you? :faint:

davew
02-03-2018, 12:01 PM
Robert Mueller was FBI director when he signed the original FISA on Carter Page in 2013, he should resign because of this conflict. He is in this as deep as anyone.

With Carter Page's help the FBI brought down a Russian spy ring, he should be receiving a medal.

and others signing FISAs with Steele dossier as reason starting after Trumps nomination - Comey, Yates, Rosenstein, McCabe

woodtoo
02-03-2018, 12:10 PM
and others signing FISAs with Steele dossier as reason starting after Trumps nomination - Comey, Yates, Rosenstein, McCabe

And we would have never known of all these crimes and misdemeanors had the monster vote not elected the very stable genius Donald J. Trump!

He really did save America from itself. Just ask him.;)

elysiantraveller
02-03-2018, 12:20 PM
...

We can do without the personal attacks and just have a conversation.

As far as I'm aware there haven't been any formal charges against Trump and the investigation appears to be wrapping up.

If nothing comes of it other than some heads roll like the ones already will this still be a deep state conspiracy? Or just an investigation that yielded some wrong doers and exonerated the President?

You people all act like he's been convicted for something... like he is guilty and now needs your defense.

FantasticDan
02-03-2018, 12:27 PM
You people all act like he's been convicted for something... like he is guilty and now needs your defense.
No one is acting that way more than Trump himself..

FantasticDan
02-03-2018, 12:28 PM
https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/959713941969670144

reckless
02-03-2018, 01:19 PM
https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/959713941969670144

Oh boy, Fan Dan ... you did it again. But, Lawrence Tribe??

You really need to find more upstanding persons if you wish to get your hate Trump message taken seriously.

BOSTON — Harvard professor Laurence H. Tribe, a constitutional law expert who often has argued before the Supreme Court, has admitted that he "failed to attribute" material from another scholar that appeared in his book.

Tribe, who could not be reached for comment, issued a statement Monday acknowledging that passages in his 1985 "God Save This Honorable Court" were borrowed from a book written in 1974 by Henry J. Abraham.

The above was lifted from liberal-leaning rag The Los Angeles Times, of all places ...

http://articles.latimes.com/2004/sep/29/nation/na-tribe29

Clocker
02-03-2018, 01:21 PM
https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/959713941969670144

Laurence Tribe is supposedly an expert on the Constitution. I would expect more from him than a link without comment on a weak article that does not support its own premise.

As Tribe should know, the duties of the Speaker are not specified in the Constitution. The authority of the House and Senate is to legislate. Neither Tribe nor the article provide any evidence that Ryan or the House ceded any of that authority to the president.

In point of fact, it was Obama who did more to assault the authority of Congress than any president at least since FDR. Congress started taking back its authority in the later years of the Obama administration and continue to do so today. To his credit, Trump has accepted this without objection or attempts to fight it.

GaryG
02-03-2018, 01:22 PM
But what is Carolyn O's opinion on this?

boxcar
02-03-2018, 01:35 PM
We can do without the personal attacks and just have a conversation.

As far as I'm aware there haven't been any formal charges against Trump and the investigation appears to be wrapping up.

If nothing comes of it other than some heads roll like the ones already will this still be a deep state conspiracy? Or just an investigation that yielded some wrong doers and exonerated the President?

You people all act like he's been convicted for something... like he is guilty and now needs your defense.

But Trump's character surely has been impugned by the er..."informal" charges which are numerous.

And you clearly don't want to see the opposing point whatsoever. We're not acting as though Trump has been convicted anything! (Try to understand this once and for all, will ya?) We're acting as though the people who really should be investigated are the ones conducting the Trump investigation, as well as the powers behind them! We believe that the investigation is as phony as Steele's dossier because the mounting evidence points to this conclusion. And if this turns out to be the case, this means that the DOJ and FBI have been POLITICIZED, which truly would put the Law of the Land (a/k/a U.S Constitution) in jeopardy. How can justice be rendered in this nation when key federal law enforcement and the DOJ are motivated only by political concerns which have to do with achieving political ends? If this doesn't concern you, I would respectfully suggest you need a very loud wake up call!

boxcar
02-03-2018, 01:39 PM
This was a well thought out and written response for all to read but.....

you never answered his question, did you? :faint:

And what question would that be: The one ET asked in 196 and I answered in 201? :coffee:

elysiantraveller
02-03-2018, 01:48 PM
But Trump's character surely has been impugned by the er..."informal" charges which are numerous.

No offense but Trump already does enough on his own to question his character.

So basically the investigation is just being a big meanie by existing?

Show Me the Wire
02-03-2018, 01:54 PM
https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/959713941969670144

Complete b.s.

The memo is a result of Nunes doing his Constitutional duty of oversight over the intelligence agencies.

First the memo is only related to FISA and its abuse. The memo is not about the Russia investigation and its beginnings. The investigation may have started with an overheard conversation in a bar, but that conversation is not enough to secure a FiSA warrant to spy on an American citizen.

The standard for a FISA warrant is, if it is an American citizen, that this specific citizen is acting on-behalf of a foreign power and is engaged in espionage or terrorism. First, there is no evidence that Papadopoulos or Carter were plotting espionage or terrorism against America.

Second McCabe, under oath , in his testimony explicitly stated there would be no FISA warrant if the Trump Dossier did not exist. According to Comey and everyone else this Dossier was and is unsubstantiated.

The memo does not address whether or not an investigation should have or should not have been started, but about the abuse of FISA during the investigation.

You should be very concerned about the FBI's abuse of FISA once they started an investigation, by using an unsubstantiated political opposition document as a primary source for a FISA warrant.

boxcar
02-03-2018, 02:08 PM
No offense but Trump already does enough on his own to question his character.

So basically the investigation is just being a big meanie by existing?

This is a red herring! Is Mueller investigating Trump's character or is he investigating a specific crime, which by law the latter is what Mueller is supposed to be doing? You see...if one is going to investigate someone's character, then there's no limit as to how far back you can go or what you can discover and use against a political opponent. Suppose someone was investigating your character, and the agency or whatever found out that you got expelled from elementary school for being a bully? And then after all this time, they use that incident to disparage your adolescent and adult periods in your life? You see where I'm going with this? With no limits on an investigation, anyone can invariably dig something up on someone because none us have squeaky clean backgrounds -- none of us (and squeaky clean is not limited to past legal troubles!). You just don't drum up elaborate investigations because you think someone is of bad character. You conduct "special counsel" investigations because you think the object of the investigation committed a specific crime. A world of difference.

davew
02-03-2018, 02:24 PM
Complete b.s.

The memo is a result of Nunes doing his Constitutional duty of oversight over the intelligence agencies.

First the memo is only related to FISA and its abuse. The memo is not about the Russia investigation and its beginnings. The investigation may have started with an overheard conversation in a bar, but that conversation is not enough to secure a FiSA warrant to spy on an American citizen.

The standard for a FISA warrant is, if it is an American citizen, that this specific citizen is acting on-behalf of a foreign power and is engaged in espionage or terrorism. First, there is no evidence that Papadopoulos or Carter were plotting espionage or terrorism against America.

Second McCabe, under oath , in his testimony explicitly stated there would be no FISA warrant if the Trump Dossier did not exist. According to Comey and everyone else this Dossier was and is unsubstantiated.

The memo does not address whether or not an investigation should have or should not have been started, but about the abuse of FISA during the investigation.

You should be very concerned about the FBI's abuse of FISA once they started an investigation, by using an unsubstantiated political opposition document as a primary source for a FISA warrant.

But no oversight is needed because the CIA, FBI and NSA do whatever they feel is best for the world. The only have accountability to themselves. Some feel FusionGPS is a CIA run business, so everything out of there has to be correct.

Show Me the Wire
02-03-2018, 02:37 PM
But no oversight is needed because the CIA, FBI and NSA do whatever they feel is best for the world. The only have accountability to themselves. Some feel FusionGPS is a CIA run business, so everything out of there has to be correct.

It seems the current liberal dem leadership agrees with the above-stated sentiment.

davew
02-03-2018, 02:56 PM
It seems the current liberal dem leadership agrees with the above-stated sentiment.

Clapper describing the dossier, with the tells of a person lying ALOT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etHzugPa0DY

FantasticDan
02-03-2018, 03:05 PM
https://twitter.com/simonmaloy/status/959801743113637888

woodtoo
02-03-2018, 03:19 PM
Simon says.....:lol:

elysiantraveller
02-03-2018, 03:21 PM
This is a red herring! Is Mueller investigating Trump's character or is he investigating a specific crime, which by law the latter is what Mueller is supposed to be doing? You see...if one is going to investigate someone's character, then there's no limit as to how far back you can go or what you can discover and use against a political opponent. Suppose someone was investigating your character, and the agency or whatever found out that you got expelled from elementary school for being a bully? And then after all this time, they use that incident to disparage your adolescent and adult periods in your life? You see where I'm going with this? With no limits on an investigation, anyone can invariably dig something up on someone because none us have squeaky clean backgrounds -- none of us (and squeaky clean is not limited to past legal troubles!). You just don't drum up elaborate investigations because you think someone is of bad character. You conduct "special counsel" investigations because you think the object of the investigation committed a specific crime. A world of difference.

But its not an investigation into his character as the only information we have regarding the investigation so far is who they've interviewed and who they've brought up on charges.

thezeeman333
02-03-2018, 03:31 PM
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/443911/obamas-many-scandals-abuse-government-power-worse-sex-scandals

21382

FantasticDan
02-03-2018, 03:41 PM
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/959755536907587585

davew
02-03-2018, 03:55 PM
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/959755536907587585

A problem with libs is they do not understand how some people have different opinions than theirs.

FanDan can you actually write a sentence, or just copy tweets? I am not sure how dimbots work.

Tom
02-03-2018, 04:17 PM
Complete b.s.

The memo is a result of Nunes doing his Constitutional duty of oversight over the intelligence agencies.

Thank you SMTW, for stating the simple truth.
Danny tends to confuse every thread with BS from the tweets of any dimwit out there. Facts are never going to ruin Danny's rants.
When you live by SNL and Twitter, this is the quality of posts you get.

The left just is incapable of addressing reality.
Mueller is obviously 100% NOT qualified for this positions and should be canned immediately. Perhaps a special prosecutor should be investigating Muell for his role ins rigging elections.

Tom
02-03-2018, 04:20 PM
A problem with libs is they do not understand how some people have different opinions than theirs.

FanDan can you actually write a sentence, or just copy tweets? I am not sure how dimbots work.

One would think Danny would be capable of reading the memo and then commenting specifically on specific sentences.

Not our copy and paste boy.
He has always relied on the opinions of others.
Forming your own is just so......hard!

OntheRail
02-03-2018, 04:25 PM
https://twitter.com/simonmaloy/status/959801743113637888

Should you not be playing in your pals sandbox in the Liberal Corner.

Clocker
02-03-2018, 05:13 PM
I'll jump on the picture-posting band wagon with this message from the "deep state":

https://i1.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2018/02/CNN-Deep-State-Tweet.jpeg?resize=525%2C600

Saratoga_Mike
02-03-2018, 05:28 PM
The next Secret Society meeting will be Tuesday at 7 pm in Alexandria.

boxcar
02-03-2018, 05:42 PM
I am not sure how dimbots work.

Far more downtime with them than not. :coffee:

boxcar
02-03-2018, 05:45 PM
But its not an investigation into his character as the only information we have regarding the investigation so far is who they've interviewed and who they've brought up on charges.

Then why did you bring up his character? When they got that FISA warrant they had to show probable cause that a real crime had likely been committed.

Tom
02-03-2018, 06:35 PM
Clapper describing the dossier, with the tells of a person lying ALOT

His mouth is moving? :lol:

elysiantraveller
02-03-2018, 07:20 PM
Then why did you bring up his character? When they got that FISA warrant they had to show probable cause that a real crime had likely been committed.

I didn't you did.

But Trump's character surely has been impugned by the er..."informal" charges which are numerous.

My comment was sarcastic in that he does a good enough job doing that himself.

JustRalph
02-03-2018, 07:53 PM
Chad

You have way too much confidence in Sessions.

Mueller will indict somebody. He’s the last great hope of the left. Trump should have fired him weeks ago.

The public saw through all the shit during the election. Hopefully they will see through the media lies.

The reputation of the FBI and Justice will suffer most.

But Sessions could rehabilitate the Justice Dept. by locking up some high profile types on the left. Including media members who were complicit. Isikoff im sure is talking to a lawyer.

Lots of people taking the fifth in the coming two years or so.

Isikoff issued a statement today saying he had nothing to do with the FISA application that used his article. Yeah.....producing a lying bullshit article used as evidence for a warrant....might make you want to remove yourself from danger

boxcar
02-03-2018, 08:17 PM
I didn't you did.



My comment was sarcastic in that he does a good enough job doing that himself.

And even if that were true, that gives license to the DOJ and FBI pile on for no good reason? Don't you realize this what police states do when out to destroy the political opposition?

elysiantraveller
02-03-2018, 08:34 PM
And even if that were true, that gives license to the DOJ and FBI pile on for no good reason? Don't you realize this what police states do when out to destroy the political opposition?

The investigation began when one of his foreign policy advisors got drunk and started running his mouth.

The memo even says that.

Show Me the Wire
02-03-2018, 08:39 PM
The investigation began when one of his foreign policy advisors got drunk and started running his mouth.

The memo even says that.

So what. The memo is not relevant to the investigation. The memo is not about if there should have been an investigation. The memo is relevant as to the abuse of FISA, during the investigation.

FantasticDan
02-03-2018, 09:31 PM
https://twitter.com/time/status/959943051912400897