Hawaii:LOOK OUT!! False missile Alert

[upthecreek]

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/952264169469956096

[jocko699]

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/952264169469956096

I called some of my buddies on the islands, half of them didn't get the alert while 3 did. Those that did immediately went to cable news and decided it wasn't real.

[boxcar]

I called some of my buddies on the islands, half of them didn't get the alert while 3 did. Those that did immediately went to cable news and decided it wasn't real.

I hope they went to CNN. They're always reliable. :coffee:

[jocko699]

I hope they went to CNN. They're always reliable. :coffee:

Probably not or MSNBC either. They are retired veterans and like to hear the truth.

[JustRalph]

My neighbor has a sister in Hawaii. She called him crying, to say goodbye. She was in her bathtub with her daughter going apeshit.

I wouldn’t want to be the guy who hit the wrong button.........

[PaceAdvantage]

This is some pretty messed up stuff.

And really, what's the point of sending out the message? What are people supposed to do to mitigate against a nuclear ICBM?

Unless you have an underground bunker, and I would venture to say most people on Hawaii do not, then what's the point?

I guess it's to say "Hey, at least we warned you...what you do with your last 10-15 minutes here on earth is up to you..." :rolleyes:

[Actor]

What are people supposed to do to mitigate against a nuclear ICBM?The most likely target is Pearl Harbor or the city of Honolulu, both on the island of Oahu. If you are on Oahu and survive the blast with no injuries (or minimal injuries) then the big problem is radioactive fallout. The trade winds are (to my understanding) reliable and come from the northwest. So get to the northwest coast of the island where the trades will blow the radiation away from you. Have a portable radio to get news and possibly directions from civil defense. Same advice for those on islands north of Oahu.

If you are on the big island of Hawaii get to the west or southwest coast. If you have a seaworthy boat then sail west, then head north to one of the islands north of Oahu. If you have enough food and water (or a desalination pump or a solar still) then another possibility is to sail south and try for Tahiti.

[elysiantraveller]

And really, what's the point of sending out the message? What are people supposed to do to mitigate against a nuclear ICBM?

Yields are likely to not be very high so depending on topography, epicenter, and burst type/altitude you might be surprised. This all hinges on if NK can even put one on a missile which is highly suspect.

[Actor]

Yields are likely to not be very high so depending on topography, epicenter, and burst type/altitude you might be surprised. This all hinges on if NK can even put one on a missile which is highly suspect.How accurate is NK's targeting? Of course the pentagon is not going to tell us how accurate our systems are but I would hazard a guess that a U.S. missile launched from Wyoming could hit a small car. But then NK is not trying for military effectiveness but terrorism and for that a miss of ten miles is good enough.

If they have thermonuclear then their yield is probably 100 or more times that of the Hiroshima device.

[tucker6]

Yields are likely to not be very high so depending on topography, epicenter, and burst type/altitude you might be surprised. This all hinges on if NK can even put one on a missile which is highly suspect.
... and that would survive reentry, which is even more suspect at this time. From what I've read, none of their "successful" launches to date included a successful reentry. Reentry is considered the toughest part to do, and NK is estimated to acquire this ability sometime in 2018.

[Lemon Drop Husker]

And of course Trump is getting blamed for this as well. :pound:

I guess he isn't taking NOKO seriously.

“Donald Trump is taking too long,” she told CNN. “He's not taking this threat seriously. There's no time to waste.”

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/hawaii-rep-tulsi-gabbard-slams-trump-after-false-ballistic-missile-warning-hes-not-taking-this-threat-seriously/article/2645865

That is a Rep from Hawaii. You can't even make this shit up. :confused:

[tucker6]

And of course Trump is getting blamed for this as well. :pound:

I guess he isn't taking NOKO seriously.

“Donald Trump is taking too long,” she told CNN. “He's not taking this threat seriously. There's no time to waste.”

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/hawaii-rep-tulsi-gabbard-slams-trump-after-false-ballistic-missile-warning-hes-not-taking-this-threat-seriously/article/2645865

That is a Rep from Hawaii. You can't even make this shit up. :confused:

I wonder what she had to say about Obama during his 8 years of hand sitting.

[Racetrack Playa]

You Wonder? Look It Up, Duck Duck is your friend
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gpe-2Yi6ZuE

[Tom]

This is what Joe Biden would call a Big F Deal!
How in the hell can this happen????

What safeguards are in effect to prevent it?
We could damn well start a war with incompetence like this allowed to go on.

[tucker6]

This is what Joe Biden would call a Big F Deal!
How in the hell can this happen????

What safeguards are in effect to prevent it?
We could damn well start a war with incompetence like this allowed to go on.
It only affected a few million people so what's the big deal as Hillary would say. :pound:

[barahona44]

How accurate is NK's targeting? .

From I understand, they use Google Maps.

(Perky female voice) "You have arrived at your destination"

KA-BOOM!! :D

[Tom]

It only affected a few million people so what's the big deal as Hillary would say. :pound:

At this point, what does it matter! :rolleyes:

[Tom]

From I understand, they use Google Maps.

(Perky female voice) "You have arrived at your destination"

KA-BOOM!! :D

RECALCULATING! :eek:




FTFY....:lol:

[tucker6]

The worker feels terrible and will be re-trained. :puke:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/13/hawaii-emergency-officials-say-ballistic-missile-threat-alert-was-mistake.html

[elysiantraveller]

How accurate is NK's targeting? Of course the pentagon is not going to tell us how accurate our systems are but I would hazard a guess that a U.S. missile launched from Wyoming could hit a small car. But then NK is not trying for military effectiveness but terrorism and for that a miss of ten miles is good enough.

If they have thermonuclear then their yield is probably 100 or more times that of the Hiroshima device.

I think most are pegging their tests in the 20-100 kiloton range.

As far as targeting... the North Koreans need a missile first. Then they need a warhead. And then. And then... my buddy in who works in Naval Intel (I honestly don't know what he does) is stationed at Pearl is infinitely more worried about Tsunamis than the North Koreans.

Surviving an exchange though is certainly possible. Where I grew up there were three targets in my city and we would likely have taken 2 hits on ground and on air burst. Both, assuming the Russians can reliably hit what they aim at, would have been to the North of where I usually was. The North Koreans would be trickier because I have little faith in anything related to their program. A miss by a few miles to the North or South would result in pretty light damage all things considered.

[FantasticDan]

This is some pretty messed up stuff.

And really, what's the point of sending out the message? What are people supposed to do to mitigate against a nuclear ICBM?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89od_W8lMtA

:p

[tucker6]

Can't we all agree that nuclear alerts should not be put into the hands of state govt, but should be in the hands of the Feds and central command. There were so many things that went wrong yesterday that Hawaii should be embarrassed. One guy could send this out. Improper training. No "all clear" protocol in place. People went into the sewers to escape the holocaust. What a cluster.

[Stevecsd]

You would think for something like this they would have a "double positive" procedure, meaning two people would have to both hit the button on separate computers.

When you have a system where one person's human error can cause this type of panic, you need a better fail safe.

[FantasticDan]

...
:10: years, :4::8: posts..

Ease off the gas, Steve! ;) :ThmbUp:

[Fred Mertz]

When you have a system where one person's human error can cause this type of panic, you need a better fail safe.

"If he fires one then we'll fire one"
"FIRE ONE!"

Great movie.

Is Trump getting criticized for not firing back?

[barahona44]

"If he fires one then we'll fire one"
"FIRE ONE!"

Great movie.

Is Trump getting criticized for not firing back?

Isn't that line from "The Bedford Incident", instead of "Fail Safe"?Mebbe I is wrong... or maybe you were quoting "Bedford". Fail Safe, btw, had the dumbest most unrealistic ending in film history.

SPOILER ALERT!! (only 53 years later:D)

In 'Fail Safe", due to a series of unfortunate circumstanses, a American nuclear bomber drops the big one on Moscow.After that the President (played by Henry Fonda) orders the Air Force to nuke New York City as some sort of apology to the Russkies..

Bet he didn't get re-elected.

[chrisl]

This was no accident. Trump bait all it was.

[Tape Reader]

This was no accident. Trump bait all it was.

Agree!

[FantasticDan]

I'm afraid to ask, but what about it was "Trump bait"? :pout:

[chrisl]

I'm afraid to ask, but what about it was "Trump bait"? :pout:

Not my day to educate you.

[chadk66]

that'll teach those sumbitches for not voting for Trump

[davew]

I'm afraid to ask, but what about it was "Trump bait"? :pout:

the deep state wanted Trump to hit his bigger button on his desk...

[chadk66]

the deep state wanted Trump to hit his bigger button on his desk...he probably did but it was the staples button

[Tom]

Not my day to educate you.

Hey!
No child left behind, now!

[elysiantraveller]

the deep state wanted Trump to hit his bigger button on his desk...

I really hope you don't believe we make nuclear decisions based on Hawaiian Civil Defemse.

[chrisl]

I really hope you don't believe we make nuclear decisions based on Hawaiian Civil Defemse.

Trump was in Hawaii during this. Regardless of what you have read. Bigger picture in the works.

[davew]

I really hope you don't believe we make nuclear decisions based on Hawaiian Civil Defemse.

liberalism is a mental disease with many manifestations - I do not think decisions made because of Hawaii civil service alert.

I do find it very odd that many libs are making this Trumps fault...

[FantasticDan]

Trump was in Hawaii during this. Regardless of what you have read. Bigger picture in the works.
OMG tell us more... if you can... if they'll let you..... the public needs to know......

:lol: :bang: :lol: :bang:

[boxcar]

liberalism is a mental disease with many manifestations - I do not think decisions made because of Hawaii civil service alert.

I do find it very odd that many libs are making this Trumps fault...

It was very likely an unhinged lib who hit the wrong button multiple times. He wanted to show the world what Armageddon feels like under Trump.

[Tom]

Being done intentionally makes much more sense than it being an accident.
NO WAY it could have been an accident. Deleting a file on your computer requires two replies of yes.

Anyone but Dan believe that is the same level of security on something like this?

[woodtoo]

Being done intentionally makes much more sense than it being an accident.
NO WAY it could have been an accident. Deleting a file on your computer requires two replies of yes.

Anyone but Dan believe that is the same level of security on something like this?

He has been reassigned and will be reprogrammed before being reinstated.
Feel safer?:D

[davew]

It took 3 minutes to realize they made a mistake, but 35 minutes to send the retraction.

There are some things a state should not have control over....

[jocko699]

Being done intentionally makes much more sense than it being an accident.
NO WAY it could have been an accident. Deleting a file on your computer requires two replies of yes.

Anyone but Dan believe that is the same level of security on something like this?

Well my buddy on Oahu states the individual has worked for Civil Defense for many years. He pushed the button and on the screen it said to confirm. He pressed the button again to confirm and he was asked it he was sure. He pushed the button again and............chaos.

[Actor]

From I understand, they use Google Maps.I see no technical reason why they could not do exactly that.

[jocko699]

I don't think he has a case but it's Hawaii.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/2018/01/16/hawaii-news/man-suffers-massive-heart-attack-during-false-alert/?HSA=915729240c36384917f27b088eea67a352459406

[chadk66]

I don't think he has a case but it's Hawaii.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/2018/01/16/hawaii-news/man-suffers-massive-heart-attack-during-false-alert/?HSA=915729240c36384917f27b088eea67a352459406well I'll be, never saw a missile plug arteries to need four stents lol

[horses4courses]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTsoafWVoAA0s1q.jpg

[jocko699]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTsoafWVoAA0s1q.jpg

All this because of Obama. A democratic state making a mistake. This is when POTUS should have said dumba!! idiots continue to run the state of Hawaii.

It must be quiet in the little corners of Socialists 'minds.

[Tom]

So at least the4 dems now have a platform.
Memes and unknown tweeters being quoted.
The dems are being all they can be........:pound:

Trump was out of line - everyone knows that continuing a golf game is only appropriate when innocent people are beheaded by terrorist, or, as 0bama called it, boys being boys.

[PaceAdvantage]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTsoafWVoAA0s1q.jpgHey man, if you're going to continue to post giant pics, at least learn how to use the RESIZE button...

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2127019&postcount=12

Oh, and I like your signature. Learning about the resize button might shrink that breeding ground for you.

[davew]

what a coincidence that Japan issues a false North Korea missile alert just a couple days after Hawaii. Some are wondering if the governments did it just to see people reactions...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-japan/japan-issues-false-alarm-over-missile-launch-days-after-hawaii-alert-gaffe-idUSKBN1F514S

[PaceAdvantage]

Maybe NK hackers are breaching these missile warning systems and generating the false alerts...and if that were true, of course no government would admit this to be the cause...but it sounds quite plausible, does it not?

[fast4522]

This thread needs a tune.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV2pyWoTXs4

[Racetrack Playa]

He pressed the button again to confirm and he was asked it he was sure. He pushed the button again and............chaos.
What would you do? Supposedly? He thought it was a real attack, so strange.An exercise possibly Supposedly? IDK nothin about any of it, but this whole deals danish.Seems like "HE" did his JOB. Whats the dope jocko?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/03/hawaii-worker-sent-missile-alert-100-percent-sure-attack-real

[jocko699]

What would you do? Supposedly? He thought it was a real attack, so strange.An exercise possibly Supposedly? IDK nothin about any of it, but this whole deals danish.Seems like "HE" did his JOB. Whats the dope jocko?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/03/hawaii-worker-sent-missile-alert-100-percent-sure-attack-real

My buddies over on Oahu say that a drill was scheduled. Maybe he didn't know it was a drill and just freaked out. Who knows but when shit settles down there are going to be some lawsuits.