DACA, Davos, and Dems

[Inner Dirt]

You can't make this stuff up. Chuck Schumer wants to know why this administration is spending so much time targeting "law-abiding illegal immigrants". This guy went to Harvard Law School?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/schumer-raids-are-snaring-law-abiding-illegals/article/2614688


A lot of words don't mean what they used to, I can't keep up. Now people use "sick" to describe something good. So now you are telling me either "illegal" or "law abiding" don't mean what they used to?

[boxcar]

You can't make this stuff up. Chuck Schumer wants to know why this administration is spending so much time targeting "law-abiding illegal immigrants". This guy went to Harvard Law School?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/schumer-raids-are-snaring-law-abiding-illegals/article/2614688

Classic example of the a lib's brain leading from behind his mouth. :coffee: The blatant contradiction never entered his mind.

[FantasticDan]

Classic example of the a lib's brain leading from behind his mouth. :coffee: The blatant contradiction never entered his mind.
Pretty sure it did, since a couple sentences later in the article, he said:

"Targeting law-abiding innocent immigrant families whose only wrongdoing was crossing the border to give their children a better life, instead of focusing on removing those who have been convicted of violent crimes, is a waste of limited resources and undermines law enforcement in communities across the country."

[elysiantraveller]

You can't make this stuff up. Chuck Schumer wants to know why this administration is spending so much time targeting "law-abiding illegal immigrants". This guy went to Harvard Law School?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/schumer-raids-are-snaring-law-abiding-illegals/article/2614688

Schumer is incredibly stupid but some of these ICE arrests are laughable. I posted one recently.

[Clocker]

I would suggest that the term "illegal immigrant" is also nonsense. An immigrant is someone who takes up permanent residence in another country. Permanent residence implies citizenship, which requires legal entry.

[zico20]

Pretty sure it did, since a couple sentences later in the article, he said:

"Targeting law-abiding innocent immigrant families whose only wrongdoing was crossing the border to give their children a better life, instead of focusing on removing those who have been convicted of violent crimes, is a waste of limited resources and undermines law enforcement in communities across the country."

Well since these places they are coming from are NOT shit holes, according to Democrats, there is no reason to come here, right Dan. Economic prosperity is there for the taking, they just have to use their superior knowledge and talents and go get it.

[reckless]

Wilbur Ross set the table today at Davos with his America First salvo to all the elites and assorted socialists present with their mistresses.

The great US president, Donald J. Trump -- the true leader of the free world, by the way -- will speak tomorrow and remind everyone that if the world wants growth, prosperity and peace come on aboard the America First train.

If they won't they'll simply need to get out of the way because America is waiting for no one.

[boxcar]

Well since these places they are coming from are NOT shit holes, according to Democrats, there is no reason to come here, right Dan. Economic prosperity is there for the taking, they just have to use their superior knowledge and talents and go get it.

Excellent point! So now what will the excuse be for our country's infestation: Political Asylum? But if so, wouldn't that qualify the country as a ....hole?

Moreover, since America is filled with a bunch of white racists, homophobes, islamaphobes, xenophobes, transgenderphobes and whateverphobes, wouldn't that qualify America itself as a ...hole? Why would the demwits invite anyone to such a country?

[davew]

Six feet of snow at Davos, while they make plans for global warming....

[Clocker]

Strategy hint for the DACA folks.

With three weeks to go for lawmakers to hit a self-imposed deadline for a sweeping immigration deal, West Wing officials have become consumed with a singular objective: keeping President Donald Trump away from Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.).

The objective is drawn from a recurring fear, shared among Trump allies and anti-immigration hardliners both within and without the administration, that the president’s proclivity to change his tune based on what the last person advised could be exploited by Schumer and Democratic leaders.

“If the president and [Schumer] don’t meet for lunch or dinner any time over the next few weeks, that would be the ideal situation,” one White House official noted.

An outside adviser to Trump concurred. “If I worked in the White House, I would make it my mission [for the next three weeks] to keep Chuck the hell away from the president as much as humanly possible,” the adviser said.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/team-trumps-goal-for-the-next-three-weeks-keep-him-the-hell-away-from-chuck-schumer

[Ocala Mike]

Trump's views on immigration now morphing into allowing for a path to citizenship for DACA enrollees over a period of 10-12 years.

Steven Miller, John Kelly, and many House Republicans just fell over backwards. Unfiltered Trump is so refreshing sometimes!

[Clocker]

Trump's views on immigration now morphing into allowing for a path to citizenship for DACA enrollees over a period of 10-12 years.

Steven Miller, John Kelly, and many House Republicans just fell over backwards. Unfiltered Trump is so refreshing sometimes!

Oops, looks like he has been talking to Schumer again! :popcorn:

[davew]

Oops, looks like he has been talking to Schumer again! :popcorn:

... but only if he gets money for his WALL

[elysiantraveller]

Oops, looks like he has been talking to Schumer again! :popcorn:

4 Dimensional Chess

http://www.unitedliberty.org/files/images/StarTrek-TheNextGeneration-514-Conu.jpg

[horses4courses]

Six feet of snow at Davos, while they make plans for global warming....

Really???
That settles it, then.
Cancel all the research projects.
There's no such thing as global warming. :liar:

[Tom]

I would suggest that the term "illegal immigrant" is also nonsense. An immigrant is someone who takes up permanent residence in another country. Permanent residence implies citizenship, which requires legal entry.

I call them unsubs.

[chadk66]

It appears the bottom line is this. Chain migration is ending. The lottery is ending. The wall will absolutely be built. The million dollar question is how much will have to be given to DACA. They're going to stay here regardless. Those people aren't going back. I think that's a given. Now how much the republicans are willing to give is the question.

[tucker6]

There's no such thing as global warming.

bout time you woke up

[woodtoo]

Bob Iger CEO Disney- "for the dreamers impacted by this decision, I urge congress to take immediate action that will protect these innocent people"

Jesse Jane Duff National Security Expert-" if parents sneak their children into
Disney World and get caught, does Disney let the kids stay for free?

Lots of dressed up clown perv's at Disney lately, very scary for kids.

[upthecreek]

https://twitter.com/Patrici15767099/status/954825538501095424

[boxcar]

https://twitter.com/Patrici15767099/status/954825538501095424

Deporting all the illegals would be a great way to cut unnecessary spending and reduce the debt! What sayest thou, Dems?

[davew]

Deporting all the illegals would be a great way to cut unnecessary spending and reduce the debt! What sayest thou, Dems?

The money saved would pay for the wall???

Trump arriving at world economic forum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHBydVu2alo

[reckless]

http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2018/01/23/trumps-america-first-tariffs-are-insignificant-nissan-chairman-says.html

Nissan Motor Co. Chairman Carlos Ghosn said on Tuesday President Trump’s new “America First” tariffs are insignificant.

“I think it’s not something major in my opinion. It’s more symbolic than anything else because we are talking about relatively minor items. We are not talking about major tariffs,” Ghosn told the FOX Business’ Maria Bartiromo on Mornings with Maria, during the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.

I can't wait until tomorrow because Trump gets better every day.

[Clocker]

Nissan Motor Co. Chairman Carlos Ghosn said on Tuesday President Trump’s new “America First” tariffs are insignificant.


True, the tariffs are insignificant to Nissan and its chairman.

They are significant to the tens of thousands of Americans in the solar business who will lose their jobs. They are significant to untold thousands of American consumers who will be paying much more for solar panels and washers and whatever else The Donald decides he doesn't like.

There has been zero evidence presented that these tariffs will do what Trump claims they will do, create American jobs. The tariffs are insignificant in that aspect. Please present any evidence to the contrary.

[reckless]

True, the tariffs are insignificant to Nissan and its chairman.

They are significant to the tens of thousands of Americans in the solar business who will lose their jobs. They are significant to untold thousands of American consumers who will be paying much more for solar panels and washers and whatever else The Donald decides he doesn't like.

There has been zero evidence presented that these tariffs will do what Trump claims they will do, create American jobs. The tariffs are insignificant in that aspect. Please present any evidence to the contrary.

How often do you buy solar panels and washing machines? Every 1-2 months, or more likely every 10 years when you want washing machines?

I do know that if these companies --in all industries-- wish to sell to the American consumer, then they need to manufacture their products in the USA and avoid the tariff.

These companies that Trump supposedly damage simply need to make a better product that's affordable. If they cannot make money as the rules of the game dictate, then they don't deserve to be doing business. You want market share? Make a product people want at an affordable price. Very simple. A 26,300 Dow and Davos tells me your opinion of Trump's trade policies is different than the rest of us.

Trump said all this going in 2015 and he's keeping his promises of correcting the free trade b-s that the 'conservative' GOP lawmakers created. They were the ones that has done damage to the US worker and the US economy.

Trump and his America First policy is no threat to the US economy. Trump's only a threat to those that want to save face because of their prior opinions and analysis.

Thanks to Trump your 401(k) is now an 801(k), btw.

Can't wait until tomorrow because Trump gets better every day.

[woodtoo]

True, the tariffs are insignificant to Nissan and its chairman.

They are significant to the tens of thousands of Americans in the solar business who will lose their jobs. They are significant to untold thousands of American consumers who will be paying much more for solar panels and washers and whatever else The Donald decides he doesn't like.

There has been zero evidence presented that these tariffs will do what Trump claims they will do, create American jobs. The tariffs are insignificant in that aspect. Please present any evidence to the contrary.

Your sounding flaky, snowflaky.

[upthecreek]

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/956626588921204736

[tucker6]

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/956626588921204736

That's a terrible optic for dems. We want to give illegals a free education, but Joe Taxpayer gets to pay his own way. These will be some great ads this fall.

[Clocker]

Your sounding flaky, snowflaky.

That's funny, coming from a citizen of the snowflakyest country on the continent.

How is it snowflaky to point out that Trump's tariffs hurt the American consumer and kill American jobs? Facts that fanboys ignore or deny.

[Inner Dirt]

Deporting all the illegals would be a great way to cut unnecessary spending and reduce the debt! What sayest thou, Dems?


Some Democrat will come with some funny liberal math to explain how the illegals greatly benefit the economy. I don't know where but I once read where a dollar given to a welfare recipient is returned to the economy 5x over. To that I say what the f**k.

[Clocker]

How often do you buy solar panels and washing machines? Every 1-2 months, or more likely every 10 years when you want washing machines?

I do know that if these companies --in all industries-- wish to sell to the American consumer, then they need to manufacture their products in the USA and avoid the tariff.

How often I buy them is not relevant. The issue is how often American consumers buy them, and how many less they will buy when they have to pay the tariff or buy them from more expensive American companies.

These companies that Trump supposedly damage simply need to make a better product that's affordable.
I never said anything about Trump damaging foreign companies, and I don't care about that. And often they already make a better product that is more affordable, which is why they outsell American-made products.

Trump said all this going in 2015 and he's keeping his promises of correcting the free trade b-s that the 'conservative' GOP lawmakers created. They were the ones that has done damage to the US worker and the US economy.Not so. Over 80% of the manufacturing jobs lost in this country in recent years were lost to automation. American companies are still making a lot of stuff. And they are competitive because they don't have to pay American wages and benefits and payroll taxes, especially union wages, and with fewer employees, their costs of compliance with government regulations are lower.

Where are your facts to show how these tariffs are going to help the workers and the country, other than those big corporations whose stock keeps your 401k pumped up? The stock market is not the economy.

[boxcar]

Some Democrat will come with some funny liberal math to explain how the illegals greatly benefit the economy. I don't know where but I once read where a dollar given to a welfare recipient is returned to the economy 5x over. To that I say what the f**k.

Is that what they call "fuzzy math"?:coffee: Or is would that be of the "common core" variety? :coffee:

[woodtoo]

That's funny, coming from a citizen of the snowflakyest country on the continent.

How is it snowflaky to point out that Trump's tariffs hurt the American consumer and kill American jobs? Facts that fanboys ignore or deny.

It is true we have the snowflakyest Prime minister ever and he is flaking up Davos.:lol:

[reckless]

How often I buy them is not relevant. The issue is how often American consumers buy them, and how many less they will buy when they have to pay the tariff or buy them from more expensive American companies.

I never said anything about Trump damaging foreign companies, and I don't care about that. And often they already make a better product that is more affordable, which is why they outsell American-made products.

Not so. Over 80% of the manufacturing jobs lost in this country in recent years were lost to automation. American companies are still making a lot of stuff. And they are competitive because they don't have to pay American wages and benefits and payroll taxes, especially union wages, and with fewer employees, their costs of compliance with government regulations are lower.

Where are your facts to show how these tariffs are going to help the workers and the country, other than those big corporations whose stock keeps your 401k pumped up? The stock market is not the economy.

Where are your facts that America was better off ever since our American based companies began closing factories and shipping jobs overseas these past 40+ years or so?

If what you claim is oh so very true, then why have major companies with overseas manufacturing concerns begin returning to the USA ... when ?? ... oh yes, since Donald J. Trump became our President, that's when!!

And since Trump's triumphant appearance at Davos today -- he's the true leader of the free world, as if you didn't know -- more and more countries and companies will be fighting to get a foothold into our America First manufacturing and consumer economy. Mark my words. Do you agree?

There are plenty of US-based manufacturing companies willing and able to produce all these goods that you claim cannot be made here without imposing higher prices due to higher costs -- but they will, and at a profit. The ones that could will win in the marketplace; the ones that can't, will either leave the country or get into a new line of business.

Gee, clocker, that last paragraph of mine sounds like it's an example of 'free' market capitalism, no?

[chadk66]

Snowflakes will say anything because they know the other snowflakes will just believe it.

[Clocker]

Where are your facts that America was better off ever since our American based companies began closing factories and shipping jobs overseas these past 40+ years or so?

You avoid my question as to how these tariffs will help any Americans other than stockholders of big companies by asking a question about something I never said or claimed.

And since Trump's triumphant appearance at Davos today -- he's the true leader of the free worldYou need to back off the Orange Kool Aid. An international Gallup Poll this month shows a 30% approval rating for US global leadership, with Germany first at 41%.

US leadership approval ratings declined substantially, by 10 percentage points or more, in 65 out of 134 countries and areas, Gallup said. And the falls have been most marked among the United States' allies and partners in Europe and the Americas.

In Canada, to the north, approval of US leadership plunged 40 points from 60% in 2016 to 20% in 2017. South of the border in Mexico, approval is at a new record low of 16% for 2017, 28 points lower than for the previous year.Unsurprisingly, the snowflakes in the Great White North liked Obama better than they like The Donald. :p

Yes, the source is CNN, but they are just quoting the Gallup poll numbers.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/18/world/us-slips-behind-china-in-gallup-global-leadership-poll-intl/index.html

[fast4522]

Where are your facts that America was better off ever since our American based companies began closing factories and shipping jobs overseas these past 40+ years or so?

If what you claim is oh so very true, then why have major companies with overseas manufacturing concerns begin returning to the USA ... when ?? ... oh yes, since Donald J. Trump became our President, that's when!!

And since Trump's triumphant appearance at Davos today -- he's the true leader of the free world, as if you didn't know -- more and more countries and companies will be fighting to get a foothold into our America First manufacturing and consumer economy. Mark my words. Do you agree?

There are plenty of US-based manufacturing companies willing and able to produce all these goods that you claim cannot be made here without imposing higher prices due to higher costs -- but they will, and at a profit. The ones that could will win in the marketplace; the ones that can't, will either leave the country or get into a new line of business.

Gee, clocker, that last paragraph of mine sounds like it's an example of 'free' market capitalism, no?

I see it this way, with President Trump nothing from nothing gets you nothing. You have to give in order to get from Trump. His terms or your SOL with what you want, democrats will have to put good into the table or walk with nothing period. Automation will be king here in the United States, it will be a huge part that comes back like it or not because better here than there. Dickering with finer points of this or that is moot because its President Trumps deal to make for us, not the other way around. As long as the President keeps goosing the economy with a positive result I do not give a shit what country or country's end up with the short straws.

[davew]

It is true we have the snowflakyest Prime minister ever and he is flaking up Davos.:lol:

I like his rubber ducky socks, but would never wear them myself...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/whats-hot/justin-trudeau-just-wore-the-funniest-socks-in-davos%e2%80%94photos/ar-AAvarTS?li=BBnb7Kz

[reckless]

You avoid my question as to how these tariffs will help any Americans other than stockholders of big companies by asking a question about something I never said or claimed.

I am not making any direct correlation between tariffs and the stock market. It is you basically saying tariffs will end the economic boom Trump created.

The $8.5 trillion increase in stock values is the investment world's approval of Trump's America First agenda. The stock market is a 'discounting' mechanism, meaning the markets approve/disprove of economic and business conditions before they actually happen, theoretically speaking. If the market didn't approve Trump's agenda, we would not be having the great boom we've had to date.

You dismissed the CEO of a major international car company when he said tariffs are meaningless, yet you expect us to buy into your silly notion that companies that make washing machines will badly hurt the US economy more so by those same tariffs. :lol::lol:

You need to back off the Orange Kool Aid. An international Gallup Poll this month shows a 30% approval rating for US global leadership, with Germany first at 41%.

Personally, if the utopian cabal of elitist socialists represented at Davos hates Trump and disapproves of the USA, then I know he's the right guy for this country. If self-centered know-it-alls on Social Media sites such as PA believes the eurotrash nazis are the ones we should respect, then I know for sure that Trump is making all the right moves.

To put it plainly, if the eurotrash hates Trump, that's good. If the anti-Trump crowd on here hates Trump and uses the eurotrash nazis to make their point, that's great!

The EU/UN and all other ancillary totalitarian organizations have been an economic and social shithole since the end of WW II and you expect me to worry about what they think of Trump?? The USA? :lol::lol:

[zico20]

Vicente Fox was just on Laura Ingraham show. He just said that there must not be any borders between the USA and Mexico because God did not make any borders. When an ex president gives the finger to our president and says f**k you to him, he can go to hell.

[Clocker]

Vicente Fox was just on Laura Ingraham show. He just said that there must not be any borders between the USA and Mexico because God did not make any borders. When an ex president gives the finger to our president and says f**k you to him, he can go to hell.

Fox is The Donald of Mexico. They need to settle this in a cage match. Pay-per-view proceeds would greatly benefit both countries.

[horses4courses]

They need to settle this in a cage match. Pay-per-view proceeds would greatly benefit both countries.

Comparable weights?

Oh yeah......Trump is down to a svelt 239, isn't he? :lol::lol:

[elysiantraveller]

Comparable weights?

Oh yeah......Trump is down to a svelt 239, isn't he? :lol::lol:

My money would be on "The Fox!" (Wears a luchadore mask with fox ears)

Imagine the marketing potential for such an event.

"Instead of free trade they'll be trading blows!"

[horses4courses]

My money would be on "The Fox!" (Wears a luchadore mask with fox ears)

Imagine the marketing potential for such an event.

"Instead of free trade they'll be trading blows!"

Colossal.....imagine throwing in Putin and Kim Jong Un???
Start a politicians wrestling federation.....tag team diplomacy....man!!!!

[Clocker]

Colossal.....imagine throwing in Putin and Kim Jong Un???
Start a politicians wrestling federation.....tag team diplomacy....man!!!!

Putin the Punisher and Lil' Kim as the Dirty Dictators? I can hear the cash registers ringing already.

The problem is that the western democracies do not have any leaders that are mean and dirty enough.

Trump has already proven his manly skillz in kicking Vince McMahon's butt in the squared circle, but who is a worthy partner? The only one out there I would be afraid of would be Angela Merkel. She looks mean! :rolleyes:

[Clocker]

It is you basically saying tariffs will end the economic boom Trump created.

I said no such thing. I said that consumers and workers would be hurt by tariffs, and the only ones who stand to gain are, in this case, solar and washing machine manufacturers.

And a stock market boom is not an economic boom.

I don't recognize anything I said in what you are "responding" to. Either you did not understand what I said, or you are creating a straw-man and using it as an easy target.

You dismissed the CEO of a major international car company when he said tariffs are meaningless, yet you expect us to buy into your silly notion that companies that make washing machines will badly hurt the US economy more so by those same tariffs.
I said no such thing, and I haven't a clue what the last half of that sentence means. Those tariffs are not meaningless to those consumers and workers they affect, and they are not meaningless to the economy as a whole if they signal the start of a large scale use of protective tariffs. Trump's own people said during the campaign that his tariff proposals would add 10-15% to the basic cost of living for Americans. Chris Collins of NY, the first member of Congress to endorse Trump, flatly stated that Trump's tariffs would be inflationary, and that inflation would be good for the country.

Personally, if the utopian cabal of elitist socialists represented at Davos hates Trump and disapproves of the USA, then I know he's the right guy for this country. If self-centered know-it-alls on Social Media sites such as PA believes the eurotrash nazis are the ones we should respect, then I know for sure that Trump is making all the right moves.

To put it plainly, if the eurotrash hates Trump, that's good. If the anti-Trump crowd on here hates Trump and uses the eurotrash nazis to make their point, that's great!

I don't understand any of this rant. You said that Trump was the leader of the free world. I cited polling results that the majority of citizens of most of our allies, including Canada, didn't agree with that.

As I quoted earlier, "In Canada, to the north, approval of US leadership plunged 40 points from 60% in 2016 to 20% in 2017." Are you saying that Canadians are "eurotrash nazis"?

If there are any "eurotrash nazis" around, they are under your bed, not mine. :D

P.S. My faith in my own argument was nearly shaken by your bold print, but I soon recovered. :cool:

[Inner Dirt]

Vicente Fox was just on Laura Ingraham show. He just said that there must not be any borders between the USA and Mexico because God did not make any borders. When an ex president gives the finger to our president and says f**k you to him, he can go to hell.

I wonder why he says that? Pretty sure it isn't because his country is mostly a big corrupt, poor shit hole that people can't wait to leave. I do agree with Fox to an extent. Eliminate the border between Mexico and California as Mexico is slowly taking back that territory anyway by steady invasion. California isn't doing anything to send them back. The southwest end of the wall can start at Arizona and then across through New Mexico and Texas.
Then run a wall north on the Arizona-Cali and the Nevada-Cali border then head west between Oregon and California. After that is complete rename California "Northern Mexico" and kick it out of the USA.

[chadk66]

The last thing Mexico wants is the wall. Their economy will slowly crumble to nothing without a constant influx of new money from the U.S. via illegals in this country.

[upthecreek]

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/956880536093495305

[Inner Dirt]

The last thing Mexico wants is the wall. Their economy will slowly crumble to nothing without a constant influx of new money from the U.S. via illegals in this country.


That is a fact the left loves to ignore when they claim how the millions of illegals from south of the border living in California "stimulate" the economy.
Before escaping the state in 2010, I spent my last 15 years of California living in a semi rural area of Riverside County that had a very high illegal immigrant population. I used to frequent the local mom and pop markets often for soda, beer and snack runs. I asked how they stayed in business selling things at almost the same price as major chain grocery stores. They all had the same answer, the profits all came from selling phone cards and wiring money out of the country. Mexican banks have admitted to processing billions of dollars of wire transfers from California yearly.

[tucker6]

Great speech from Trump today. He represents the interests of America far better than any president in a generation. At the same time, I never get the feeling that he is digging into my back pocket looking for my wallet or blindly supporting an ideological position.

Thank God not Hillary...

[boxcar]

The last thing Mexico wants is the wall. Their economy will slowly crumble to nothing without a constant influx of new money from the U.S. via illegals in this country.

Money, no doubt, they feel they are entitled to! Have a God-given, inalienable right to... The Mexican government is a welfare junkie. :coffee:

[elysiantraveller]

The last thing Mexico wants is the wall. Their economy will slowly crumble to nothing without a constant influx of new money from the U.S. via illegals in this country.

You make it sound like a collapsed Mexican economy is a good thing. Wouldn't that just lead to more illegals? :confused:

[upthecreek]

https://twitter.com/1776Stonewall/status/956606215404118017

[boxcar]

You make it sound like a collapsed Mexican economy is a good thing. Wouldn't that just lead to more illegals? :confused:

Ahh...chill out. Mexico is too big to fail. The World Bank would bail them out...
Let Mexico suck off someone's else's nipples for awhile.

[chadk66]

That is a fact the left loves to ignore when they claim how the millions of illegals from south of the border living in California "stimulate" the economy.
Before escaping the state in 2010, I spent my last 15 years of California living in a semi rural area of Riverside County that had a very high illegal immigrant population. I used to frequent the local mom and pop markets often for soda, beer and snack runs. I asked how they stayed in business selling things at almost the same price as major chain grocery stores. They all had the same answer, the profits all came from selling phone cards and wiring money out of the country. Mexican banks have admitted to processing billions of dollars of wire transfers from California yearly.absolutely. and that is exactly how we could pay for the wall, taxing the hell out of those wire transfers.

[chadk66]

You make it sound like a collapsed Mexican economy is a good thing. Wouldn't that just lead to more illegals? :confused:not with a wall

[davew]

The last thing Mexico wants is the wall. Their economy will slowly crumble to nothing without a constant influx of new money from the U.S. via illegals in this country.

Near half of the illegals in US flew in with VISAs and never left. The reason Mexico does not want a wall is the majority of the crossers now are from countries South of Mexico, and they do not want them stuck in Mexico - so Mexico would also want a wall on their south border. There is a flow of money south but not just Mexico. This is from workers in US living cheap and sending money home for family or to buy homes for themselves. Some is wired, but some is mailed with cash or money orders. Not all illegals want to stay in US forever, some want to make lots of cash for 5-10 years an then go home and retire. The illegals definitely have had major effects in some industries like construction and agriculture, and not just because americans do not want to work in those industries.

[upthecreek]

https://twitter.com/TheImusShow/status/956923242136195073

[Clocker]

The last thing Mexico wants is the wall. Their economy will slowly crumble to nothing without a constant influx of new money from the U.S. via illegals in this country.

The Mexican economy is doing very well, and for several years now data shows that more immigrants, legal and illegal, are returning to Mexico than are coming to the US.

[upthecreek]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/956938973326098432

[boxcar]

The Mexican economy is doing very well, and for several years now data shows that more immigrants, legal and illegal, are returning to Mexico than are coming to the US.

Really? I would dearly love for YOU to sell that bridge-to-nowhere to the Dreamers. In fact, I'd bet that true bluem natural born and naturalized Americans would agree to pay you a dollar a head for everyone you convince to return his/her motherland. :coffee:

[Clocker]

Really? I would dearly love for YOU to sell that bridge-to-nowhere to the Dreamers.

I am not selling anything, I am stating facts. Net migration from Mexico has been negative for some years now.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/

[chadk66]

Near half of the illegals in US flew in with VISAs and never left. The reason Mexico does not want a wall is the majority of the crossers now are from countries South of Mexico, and they do not want them stuck in Mexico - so Mexico would also want a wall on their south border. There is a flow of money south but not just Mexico. This is from workers in US living cheap and sending money home for family or to buy homes for themselves. Some is wired, but some is mailed with cash or money orders. Not all illegals want to stay in US forever, some want to make lots of cash for 5-10 years an then go home and retire. The illegals definitely have had major effects in some industries like construction and agriculture, and not just because americans do not want to work in those industries.I've never read that half the illegals flew in on visa's. The illegals are twenty deep almost everyday at the grocery store here sending money home via western union.

[chadk66]

The Mexican economy is doing very well, and for several years now data shows that more immigrants, legal and illegal, are returning to Mexico than are coming to the US.I don't believe that for two seconds. If that was the case than we could wait it out :lol:

[upthecreek]

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/956961099097821184

[Clocker]

I don't believe that for two seconds. If that was the case than we could wait it out :lol:
I posted a link to data above.

There is more on the subject here:
http://reason.com/archives/2018/01/24/the-great-wall-of-trump-is-fighting-the

A big reason the Mexican economy is doing better is NAFTA, which Trump seems to hate. If he does anything to change that, it would have a negative impact on the Mexican economy, and increase the flow of Mexicans, legal and illegal, looking for work in the US.

[chadk66]

I posted a link to data above.

There is more on the subject here:
http://reason.com/archives/2018/01/24/the-great-wall-of-trump-is-fighting-the

A big reason the Mexican economy is doing better is NAFTA, which Trump seems to hate. If he does anything to change that, it would have a negative impact on the Mexican economy, and increase the flow of Mexicans, legal and illegal, looking for work in the US.that don't mean we're letting em in.

[chadk66]

I posted a link to data above.

There is more on the subject here:
http://reason.com/archives/2018/01/24/the-great-wall-of-trump-is-fighting-the

A big reason the Mexican economy is doing better is NAFTA, which Trump seems to hate. If he does anything to change that, it would have a negative impact on the Mexican economy, and increase the flow of Mexicans, legal and illegal, looking for work in the US.those are numbers someone pulled out of their ass plain and simple. it's an oped with oped numbers. and remember the obama admin. did a huge play on the numbers. the only ones that are going to believe those numbers are minions of the left. I have a good buddy that is the head of border patrol here in ND and eastern MT. Those are very contrary to numbers he has indicated. I also have a hunting buddy that is an agent here. He used to work in FL and TX. His talk pretty much mimicks my buddy the head honcho for border patrol here.

[Clocker]

that don't mean we're letting em in.

I'm not saying we should or we shouldn't. I'm saying that there are more Mexicans returning to Mexico than are coming here, and that if Trump blows up NAFTA, that would likely change.

[zico20]

I'm not saying we should or we shouldn't. I'm saying that there are more Mexicans returning to Mexico than are coming here, and that if Trump blows up NAFTA, that would likely change.

Not when we put up that beautiful wall.

[zico20]

those are numbers someone pulled out of their ass plain and simple. it's an oped with oped numbers. and remember the obama admin. did a huge play on the numbers. the only ones that are going to believe those numbers are minions of the left. I have a good buddy that is the head of border patrol here in ND and eastern MT. Those are very contrary to numbers he has indicated. I also have a hunting buddy that is an agent here. He used to work in FL and TX. His talk pretty much mimicks my buddy the head honcho for border patrol here.

Look who wrote it. Need I say more. :lol:

[elysiantraveller]

Not when we put up that beautiful wall.

You're like the 5th person now going "the wall! the wall!"

The wall as you envision it isn't happening. Secondly half of illegals enter legally and overstay.

It's the dreamers 4th cousin from El Salvador who comes to visit and just doesn't leave. Good thing Trump is offering a MILLION extra of them amnesty and citizenship. ;)

"But the wall!"

:pound:

[zico20]

You're like the 5th person now going "the wall! the wall!"

The wall as you envision it isn't happening. Secondly half of illegals enter legally and overstay.

It's the dreamers 4th cousin from El Salvador who comes to visit and just doesn't leave. Good thing Trump is offering a MILLION extra of them amnesty and citizenship. ;)

"But the wall!"

:pound:

I have been advocating for the wall for years. Then DACA is not going to happen either. If the Democrats wanted amnesty they could have done it when they controlled everything, including the Senate with 60 senators. That is why we need to hire more ICE agents and round them up quicker and deport them.

[elysiantraveller]

I have been advocating for the wall for years. Then DACA is not going to happen either.

Even though half if not more of our illegals fly over it?

To you second sentence you aren't even reading what the White house is putting out there. They are off the 1900 mile border wall. You're getting a trust fund for a "wall system" their words not mine.

[Clocker]

I have a good buddy that is the head of border patrol here in ND and eastern MT. Those are very contrary to numbers he has indicated. I also have a hunting buddy that is an agent here. He used to work in FL and TX. His talk pretty much mimicks my buddy the head honcho for border patrol here.

How would Border Patrol agents have a handle on the number of Mexicans getting on a plane or bus and going back to Mexico to stay?

[tucker6]

How would Border Patrol agents have a handle on the number of Mexicans getting on a plane or bus and going back to Mexico to stay?

Microchip either the passport or person. When their visa is up, they better be south of the border.

[Clocker]

those are numbers someone pulled out of their ass plain and simple.

I provided two different sources of data. I only know what I read. If you have a source of actual data to the contrary, please share it.

[chadk66]

I'm not saying we should or we shouldn't. I'm saying that there are more Mexicans returning to Mexico than are coming here, and that if Trump blows up NAFTA, that would likely change.there's no proof of that. and if you believe that I got some swamp land in AZ to sell ya.

[chadk66]

very few believe that bullshit story that over half come here on visa's and over stay them either. that's leftist bullshit to try and make excuses for no wall. the people that voted for Trump knows it's bullshit and want the wall and that's all that matters.

[Tom]

Not when we put up that beautiful wall.


And mine fields, and attack dogs, and killer drones, and hell, even Tesla's Death Ray! I hear there is a prototype model available!
Of course, we would put up warning signs at the edges of the mine fields....in ENGLISH! :headbanger:

[elysiantraveller]

ouvery few believe that bullshit story that over half come here on visa's and over stay them either. that's leftist bullshit to try and make excuses for no wall. the people that voted for Trump knows it's bullshit and want the wall and that's all that matters.

This was common knowledge before the wall was ever a thing but go ahead and keep your head in the sand. The super leftist bullshit rag the Washington Times disagrees with you... :lol:

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/22/visa-overstays-biggest-problem-illegal-immigration/

Standard PA/OT response to data... 1) call it bullshit 2) attack Obama or Hillary.

Will you settle for a "wall system?" :lol:

Apparently Tom won't... ;)

[boxcar]

ou

This was common knowledge before the wall was ever a thing but go ahead and keep your head in the sand. The super leftist bullshit rag the Washington Times disagrees with you... :lol:

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/22/visa-overstays-biggest-problem-illegal-immigration/

Standard PA/OT response to data... 1) call it bullshit 2) attack Obama or Hillary.

Will you settle for a "wall system?" :lol:

Apparently Tom won't... ;)

So the Washington Post is the super extreme right rag?

[elysiantraveller]

So the Washington Post is the super extreme right rag?

I didn't quote the Post. Sarcasm was intended.

[chadk66]

I think it's pretty obvious you don't trust any numbers the government offers up. I don't give a shit who's at the helm. If it's true we have to stop all visa's until we can find a way to prevent this.

[Clocker]

Homeland Security says it's about 40%.

More than 600,000 foreign travelers who legally entered the United States in 2016 overstayed their visas and remained in the country at the end of the year, the Department of Homeland Security reported Monday.


Those "visa overstays" represented only 1.25% of the 50 million travelers who arrived in 2016 through the nation's airports and seaports. People who overstay their visas make up an estimated 40% of the 11 million undocumented immigrants who live in the U.S. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/05/22/more-than-600k-foreigners-overstayed-visas-2016-department-of-homeland-security-report/102006956/

[boxcar]

Homeland Security says it's about 40%.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/05/22/more-than-600k-foreigners-overstayed-visas-2016-department-of-homeland-security-report/102006956/

I said several years ago that the U.S. should be a temporary halt on all immigration until the government can come up with an intelligent, coherent and well-structured immigration policy. Immigration is way out of control...designed that way by Dems.

[Clocker]

I said several years ago that the U.S. should be a temporary halt on all immigration until the government can come up with an intelligent, coherent and well-structured immigration policy. Immigration is way out of control...designed that way by Dems.

He said "intelligent" and "government"! :D

The Trump DACA plan already looks like it could do with some fixing.

There is no E-Verify.

While the 800K registered Dreamers are in the Homeland Security data base, the 1+ million proposed new Dreamers are not, and would have to be quickly processed by DHS. This would be a tremendous burden on the system and could delay "normal" immigration.

While future chain-migration will be limited to "nuclear family members", there are 4 million plus people on the current chain-migration waiting list, and they will be grandfathered in.

[Tom]

Apparently Tom won't...

Wrong.
I have said I consider "wall" to include a real wall, a fence, a mine filed, electronic/drone surveillance, and mostly, stopping those who hire illegals by confiscating their property, ie, their homes, their businesses, like they do in drug busts.

Now that Clocker has pointed out that 40% or so overstay their visa, I am adding surgically implanted chips in all visa holders that will allow us to track them electronically.

[zico20]

Pelosi comment on Trump's immigration plans: "This is to make America white again." She sounded so pissed off. Numerous organizations, including the ACLU, have bashed the plan as white supremacy. The lunatic left is becoming so deranged, it is beautiful to see.

[Clocker]

Now that Clocker has pointed out that 40% or so overstay their visa, I am adding surgically implanted chips in all visa holders that will allow us to track them electronically.

A bit extreme and intrusive isn't it?

A standard police ankle bracelet would serve the same purpose.

[Tom]

You can't have someone wearing an ankle bracelet 24x7 for months. The implanted chips, paid for by the visa holder of course, could also contain an remote controlled EXPLOSIVE set to one hour after the visa expires........now that is extreme, but.....hmmmmmm.

Intrusive is what we are trying to fix - THEY are intrusive into our country. Sucks to be them. No one is forcing them to come here.
They could stay home and work on fixing their own S-hole.

[davew]

Of course, we would put up warning signs at the edges of the mine fields....in ENGLISH! :headbanger:

maybe it is time to make English the official language of US, else we might end up like Canada...

[chadk66]

How would Border Patrol agents have a handle on the number of Mexicans getting on a plane or bus and going back to Mexico to stay?If you think someone else has a better handle on it :lol:

[chadk66]

end visa's if that's the real issue. between that and ending chain migration, lottery and the wall the situation will be handled. I hope the left keeps screaming about these people that overstay their Visa's. That's the easiest one to solve yet. Two days ago I saw something here in ND I have never seen before. A Chevy Avalanche with plates from Sonora Mexico. We have so many people here from different states that I'm always looking at them. I would say of the thousands of vehicles a day 50% have ND license plates 50% from out of state. But the wife and I were headed to town and pulled up alongside this Avalanche. I couldn't figure the damn plate out. She googled it up and sure as hell its from Mexico. An absolute first. I'm sure they see em all the time in AZ and TX, etc. But I've never seen one from here. I'll have to ask him if is visa is current.

[tucker6]

If you think someone else has a better handle on it :lol:

I bet the DNC get-out-the-vote people have exact numbers of illegals by precinct.

[chadk66]

I bet the DNC get-out-the-vote people have exact numbers of illegals by precinct.and they would probably be the most accurate :lol: Although many are probably dead

[boxcar]

He said "intelligent" and "government"! :D

The Trump DACA plan already looks like it could do with some fixing.

There is no E-Verify.

While the 800K registered Dreamers are in the Homeland Security data base, the 1+ million proposed new Dreamers are not, and would have to be quickly processed by DHS. This would be a tremendous burden on the system and could delay "normal" immigration.

While future chain-migration will be limited to "nuclear family members", there are 4 million plus people on the current chain-migration waiting list, and they will be grandfathered in.

I'll critically analyze the "Trump DACA" plan when it's in its finalized form. Right now, everyone is jostling for position at the table.

But I am curious to know why you think the unregistered illegals have to processed quickly.

[chadk66]

I'll critically analyze the "Trump DACA" plan when it's in its finalized form. Right now, everyone is jostling for position at the table.

But I am curious to know why you think the unregistered illegals have to processed quickly.I'm not sure how the hell they will even determine which kids were brought here illegally by their parents. That would be a crap shoot at best.

[boxcar]

I'm not sure how the hell they will even determine which kids were brought here illegally by their parents. That would be a crap shoot at best.

Neither am I sure. This is why I want to see the plan.

[davew]

I'll critically analyze the "Trump DACA" plan when it's in its finalized form. Right now, everyone is jostling for position at the table.

But I am curious to know why you think the unregistered illegals have to processed quickly.

because they are talking 10-12 years to become citizens .. that is quick for government

[boxcar]

because they are talking 10-12 years to become citizens .. that is quick for government

Here's the "DACA" deal I would put on the table for the Dems (and just watch how fast they reject it!): I would let all the illegals that are here, stay but only on a promise of a resident visa (if they pass extreme vetting, of course) and with no possibility of citizenship or voting rights ever until the third generation. How I would sell this is that this is both compassionate and just. It's compassionate because the illegals get to live in the best country in the world and all have the potential to achieve the American Dream, and participate in most of the rights of U.S. citizens. And it is just because they should not be rewarded with the regular path to citizenship (as legal immigrants are) since their parents (or whoever) violated U.S. law by bringing them to this country to begin with. It is simply not just to reward them as we do with law-abiding immigrants. Of course, other restrictions and conditions apply, such as funding for the wall, ending chain migration, the lottery system, etc.

Then watch and see just how "compassionate" liberals really are.

[Clocker]

Here's the "DACA" deal I would put on the table for the Dems (and just watch how fast they reject it!)

There is an election coming up this year. The Dems are not going to give Trump a DACA deal so that he can sign it, call it a YUGE win, and take that issue off the table in November.

Same thing with "The Wall". The Dems want to run against that in November.

[boxcar]

There is an election coming up this year. The Dems are not going to give Trump a DACA deal so that he can sign it, call it a YUGE win, and take that issue off the table in November.

Same thing with "The Wall". The Dems want to run against that in November.

Of course. The dems need to motivate their illegal alien voting base. But demwits are again underestimating Trump. He can just as easily use their
intransigence against them.

[davew]

There is an election coming up this year. The Dems are not going to give Trump a DACA deal so that he can sign it, call it a YUGE win, and take that issue off the table in November.

Same thing with "The Wall". The Dems want to run against that in November.

the dims need to win the House, so they can impeach Trump...

[Tom]

For a dem, talking about it is they have left.
They haven't done anything in decades.

Party of talky, no walky.

[upthecreek]

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/957350331083575296

[elysiantraveller]

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/957350331083575296

Since this is the fake news police how can you have titles and tweets like that and be considered at all credible?

Asking for a friend.

[Tom]

Soros should be in prison for crimes against the world.
He should have dealt with long ago by the CIA.

[elysiantraveller]

Soros should be in prison for crimes against the world.
He should have dealt with long ago by the CIA.

That's cool you feel that way but we talk about fake news all the time on here...

Are people such mouth-breathers they need the news to tell them how they should feel about something?

I mean it goes both ways right?

[reckless]

That's cool you feel that way but we talk about fake news all the time on here...

Are people such mouth-breathers they need the news to tell them how they should feel about something?

I mean it goes both ways right?

Funny post, especially since some of the most discredited posts have been from you. :lol::lol:

[elysiantraveller]

Funny post, especially since some of the most discredited posts have been from you. :lol::lol:

Hmmm... My sources tend to be fairly unbiased.

As far as discredited I've been on a bit of a roll lately if you haven't noticed. How's all that amnesty looking? I bet you loved Trumps comments about TPP at Davos too huh? Glad we've placed big tariffs on China? How about that Iran Deal? I hear that Obamacare replacement is awesome too! Place is going to be great when we deport all of these illegals! :popcorn:

Pro-tip: If I like a Trump speech odds are you shouldn't and I thought he was pretty good at Davos.

[reckless]

Hmmm... My sources tend to be fairly unbiased.

As far as discredited I've been on a bit of a roll lately if you haven't noticed. How's all that amnesty looking? I bet you loved Trumps comments about TPP at Davos too huh? Glad we've placed big tariffs on China? How about that Iran Deal? I hear that Obamacare replacement is awesome too! Place is going to be great when we deport all of these illegals! :popcorn:

Pro-tip: If I like a Trump speech odds are you shouldn't and I thought he was pretty good at Davos.


Whom do you hate more... Trump or ... yourself? You must hate yourself so very much because you sound so very stupid so very often. And you also claim you're 'unbiased' ? :lol:

You do say you hate Trump. You also say the Wall is bad and it won't be built. Then you add ... Trump isn't going to build the wall. Well, that should make you happy since Trump's supposedly doing something you want done by not building the wall. Why do you sound so conflicted?

All these economic issues you and so few others claim Trump is clueless about ... he's doing such a great job yet you refuse to concede this; he's getting companies to build plants here, return factories to USA; hire workers, getting more favorable trade deals... what don't you understand? Oh yeah, it's a lot you don't understand.

You must think the $350 billion Apple says it will invest in the US is nothing. There's Foxxconn coming here too, as was announced after the election. I remember you downplayed that too. And Apple will also pay $35-40 billion in repatriation taxes before all this investment. How much did Tesla and the solar panel companies pay in taxes? Oh yes, they probably didn't pay any taxes.

For the 5000th time, when the Trump Tax Bill of 2017 was passed and signed it eliminated the individual and employee mandate of the ACA. This elimination of the mandates effectively ended ObamaCare. Deny whatever you wish to deny, young fool, but thanks to Trump's tax bill, ObamaCare is dead and that's awesome.

[elysiantraveller]

...

LOL

So I listed off all of those things and all you come back with is the Tax Bill? I called for most of that stuff in 2012 so where's my credit for it? :confused:

Keep patting yourself on the back I'll keep pointing out broken campaign promises. RINO (your term not mine) Trump is just fine with me... just keep him scripted and off twitter.

PS) Eliminating a mandate is not replacing with something great. Wait until you see those premiums now. ;)

[fast4522]

LOL

So I listed off all of those things and all you come back with is the Tax Bill? I called for most of that stuff in 2012 so where's my credit for it? :confused:

Keep patting yourself on the back I'll keep pointing out broken campaign promises. RINO (your term not mine) Trump is just fine with me... just keep him scripted and off twitter.

PS) Eliminating a mandate is not replacing with something great. Wait until you see those premiums now. ;)

Your definition of something great and the President's are not the same and you know that don't you? The honesty is we eliminate the new entitlement, and make it a non government program. In no way should moneys from our government subsidize business people or young people be forced to. Opening groups that can buy across state lines and form pools that did not exist before can be done. Like a pool containing people from temp agency's would contain different costs and risks, just like a pool that contained Uber drivers. But a socialist program is off the table, and so what you might want may fall into that category.

[Clocker]

Breitbart says that based on the results of previous programs and current information about the White House plan, the Trump DACA plan could give amnesty to 4.5 million illegals.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/28/trumps-draft-amnesty-citizenship-illegal-alien-population-six-times-size-obamas-daca/

[letswastemoney]

Breitbart says that based on the results of previous programs and current information about the White House plan, the Trump DACA plan could give amnesty to 4.5 million illegals.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/28/trumps-draft-amnesty-citizenship-illegal-alien-population-six-times-size-obamas-daca/ So I assume the Democrats are on board then? They can't possibly have an issue with all this.

[Clocker]

So I assume the Democrats are on board then? They can't possibly have an issue with all this.

The Dems want amnesty and open borders, period. The "official" number is 12 million. Given the kinds of errors in the government numbers in the past, and as shown in the Breitbart analysis and elsewhere, I'd put the over/under at twice that. And then I'd bet the over.

[Tom]

A swing and a miss........steeeeerike!

[davew]

So I assume the Democrats are on board then? They can't possibly have an issue with all this.

The white house wants to restrict 'family based' immigration. The dims do not like this because it will not allow the large numbers of 'brothers and sisters' and their kids to follow.

[letswastemoney]

The Dems want amnesty and open borders, period. The "official" number is 12 million. Given the kinds of errors in the government numbers in the past, and as shown in the Breitbart analysis and elsewhere, I'd put the over/under at twice that. And then I'd bet the over. If that's true, then the Democrats have problems compromising.

I really don't want open borders, and I'd prefer if we didn't give amnesty. But I'm willing to let go of the second point if there's no other good solution.

[davew]

What is wrong with the democrats?

They do not seem to want to resolve or come up with a solution to the immigration issue, they just seem to want it to remain an 'issue' they can campaign with.

[woodtoo]

What is wrong with the democrats?

They do not seem to want to resolve or come up with a solution to the immigration issue, they just seem to want it to remain an 'issue' they can campaign with.

Showing their true colors? Like you state they NEED it as an issue as it will hurt them more if it is resolved. I do hope President Trump forces the issue and solves this mess once and for all.:ThmbUp:

[chadk66]

it's always been about that . shouldn't surprise anybody. If they didn't have that they would have nothing.

[woodtoo]

it's always been about that . shouldn't surprise anybody. If they didn't have that they would have nothing.

You're implying they have something.:D

[Tom]

Democrats do not solve problems, they perpetuate them.

[incoming]

it's always been about that . shouldn't surprise anybody. If they didn't have that they would have nothing.

It is their forte.... Just look at their last two problem solving strikeouts....healthcare and global warming. Then the latest debacles open borders and sanuary cities.

Just how far back in history do you want to go.....slavery. They chose to split the country in half instead of honoring humanlife that didn't fit their small circle of humanity. The KKK another problem solving solution that went up in flames. Here is a short list of other debacles that their "logic" tried to solve....war on poverty....abortion...gun rights... the 2016 elections...their failures are endless. For myself, the most egregious is "political correctness." A far reaching mind alterating attempt at manipulation.

How do you explain these aberrations....cult...delusions or maybe they are just plain MEAN.:popcorn::popcorn:

[Tom]

When you look at the history of the dems, they have ALWAYS preyed on the Blacks.