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Diagoras
01-06-2018, 09:22 AM
Half way thru..

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=21&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiR7uqKt8PYAhXp44MKHdsYAqgQFgh9MBQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fwo rld%2Famericas%2Ffire-and-fury-live-reading-donald-trump-white-house-claims-steve-bannon-michael-wolff-ivanka-jared-a8143136.html&usg=AOvVaw3S90UdfOFAk7PTfLiJOxM1

woodtoo
01-06-2018, 09:26 AM
Any truths yet?

boxcar
01-06-2018, 09:30 AM
Any truths yet?

Of course. Author admits that all therein is not true. What shocking news! :rolleyes: :coffee:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/5/michael-wolff-fire-and-fury-author-admits-not-all-/

chadk66
01-06-2018, 09:57 AM
will go down are the biggest flop of a hit piece in history :pound:when will these people learn

Nutz and Boltz
01-06-2018, 10:07 AM
The book should be listed on Amazon as "political satire" .

davew
01-06-2018, 11:09 AM
will go down are the biggest flop of a hit piece in history :pound:when will these people learn

Maybe, but he probably has already made enough to retire in North Dakota.

I can wait a few months and get one for $5

boxcar
01-06-2018, 11:15 AM
And just watch how this author's admission gets swept under the rug by the mainstream media. And just imagine that someone wrote a "tell-all" expose about that anointed Kenyan president we recently had (his name escapes me at the moment but I'm sure someone will remember) and the author admitted that not everything he wrote about his majesty was true. That kind of admission would be the ongoing headline in all the mainstream media for weeks. Maybe even months so that the author would be thoroughly discredited. And how the media would do this is by asking the question, "Well, since we know that some things are falsehoods, how can we believe anything? Why should anyone believe anything? How do we know the rest of it isn't pure horse manure, also?"

kingfin66
01-06-2018, 12:36 PM
will go down are the biggest flop of a hit piece in history :pound:when will these people learn

It depends what you mean by flop. In terms of book sales, it is likely to be one of the biggest selling books of all time. It has likely already sold millions of copies worldwide. The book that the president tried to stop from being released. In terms of credibility, truth, and accurate depiction of the Trump White House, it could well be a flop. If nothing else I did get some good ideas from what I have heard so far. Example: Locking myself in my room at 6:30pm with a bag of McDonald's and television. Why is this a bad thing!?

Marshall Bennett
01-06-2018, 01:36 PM
And just watch how this author's admission gets swept under the rug by the mainstream media.
You mean like the women being paid off to come forward and lie about Trump? This is sorta typical of cable news like CNN & MSNBC, but I'm kind of surprised at the major networks how they've behaved. They're no better and its sickening. What's really sickening is they know they're showcasing their biased butts and don't give a f**k. :ThmbDown: ... UGH!!!!! :ThmbDown:

RunForTheRoses
01-06-2018, 02:17 PM
It sort of reminds me of this book which didn't get as much hype because *everybody* hates Trump:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BE64MLC/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

Itís amateur hour at the White House. So says New York Times bestselling author Edward Klein in his new political exposť The Amateur. Tapping into the publicís growing sentiment that President Obama is in over his head, The Amateur argues that Obamaís toxic combination of incompetence and arrogance have run our nation and his presidency off the rails. ďObama was both completely inexperienced and ideologically far to the left of Americans when he entered the White House,Ē says Klein. ďAnd he was s...

RunForTheRoses
01-06-2018, 02:18 PM
From the Amazon link above, LOL:

Praise for The Amateur


ďThe Amateur is the best book Iíve read on how Barack Obama is wrecking our country. I urge everyone who cares about America to read Edward Kleinís eye-opening book.Ē
óDonald J. Trump, world-famous businessman, owner and host of the hit NBC TV shows The Apprentice and Celebrity Apprentice, and bestselling author of many titles, including Time to Get Tough: Making America #1 Again

chadk66
01-06-2018, 03:33 PM
Maybe, but he probably has already made enough to retire in North Dakota.

I can wait a few months and get one for $5actually not a cheap place to retire to :pound:

chadk66
01-06-2018, 03:34 PM
It depends what you mean by flop. In terms of book sales, it is likely to be one of the biggest selling books of all time. It has likely already sold millions of copies worldwide. The book that the president tried to stop from being released. In terms of credibility, truth, and accurate depiction of the Trump White House, it could well be a flop. If nothing else I did get some good ideas from what I have heard so far. Example: Locking myself in my room at 6:30pm with a bag of McDonald's and television. Why is this a bad thing!?I'd be amazed if that is the case. There hasn't been a liberal favored book with any amount of sales sold in the past decade.

barahona44
01-06-2018, 03:58 PM
actually not a cheap place to retire to :pound:

But those North Dakota beachfront properties are worth every penny :lol:

elysiantraveller
01-06-2018, 04:01 PM
Of course. Author admits that all therein is not true. What shocking news! :rolleyes: :coffee:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/5/michael-wolff-fire-and-fury-author-admits-not-all-/

That isn't what he said.

In any case the reaction by the administration, and Trump, leads me to believe that some of its pretty true. What parts I have no idea.

upthecreek
01-06-2018, 04:44 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/michael-wolff-note-says-he-doesnt-know-if-trump-book-is-all-true-2018-1

upthecreek
01-06-2018, 04:45 PM
That isn't what he said.

In any case the reaction by the administration, and Trump, leads me to believe that some of its pretty true. What parts I have no idea.

Pretty much what he says in the business insider article I just posted

Clocker
01-06-2018, 05:22 PM
Wolff has an article at the Hollywood Reporter of material extracted from the book. Mostly gossipy and unsubstantiated, but a lot of it rings true.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/michael-wolff-my-insane-year-inside-trumps-white-house-1071504

boxcar
01-06-2018, 06:31 PM
You mean like the women being paid off to come forward and lie about Trump? This is sorta typical of cable news like CNN & MSNBC, but I'm kind of surprised at the major networks how they've behaved. They're no better and its sickening. What's really sickening is they know they're showcasing their biased butts and don't give a f**k. :ThmbDown: ... UGH!!!!! :ThmbDown:

The MM is the left's propaganda machine. They're in business to manufacture all the news that's unfit to print. :coffee:

elysiantraveller
01-06-2018, 06:49 PM
Pretty much what he says in the business insider article I just posted

<Shrug>

Yeah.

If there wasn't anything in it you would just laugh it off call if wonderful fiction and go about your day. Not publicly shame people mentioned on Twitter, deny granting access when you did, and legally try to halt publication.

It's docu-drama non-fiction. I would have just ignored it and encouraged the president to do the same.

boxcar
01-06-2018, 06:50 PM
That isn't what he said.

In any case the reaction by the administration, and Trump, leads me to believe that some of its pretty true. What parts I have no idea.

There is no right reaction! If Trump said nothing, the media would claim that Trump must be in agreement with author and has nothing to say in his own defense. But since Trump has openly criticized and essentially categorized the book as tabloid trash, the media interprets that as Trump being defensive.
The book has put the president in the unenviable position of answering the question: How often do you beat your wife? :coffee:

PaceAdvantage
01-06-2018, 07:06 PM
Who cares? I don't.

As Hillary once smartly proclaimed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuW_7sktdBc

PS. the above video is quite entertaining

OntheRail
01-06-2018, 07:36 PM
As I stated before the books release... It's Suspect. But the Snowflakes will eat it up... other will get a tingle up their leg and Mad-Cows jumping over the moon.

elysiantraveller
01-06-2018, 08:18 PM
There is no right reaction! If Trump said nothing, the media would claim that Trump must be in agreement with author and has nothing to say in his own defense. But since Trump has openly criticized and essentially categorized the book as tabloid trash, the media interprets that as Trump being defensive.
The book has put the president in the unenviable position of answering the question: How often do you beat your wife? :coffee:

There was a right reaction:

Wolff: "Can I get access inside the White House and with staff?"

"No."

Lemon Drop Husker
01-06-2018, 08:24 PM
Honest question.

I see a few people that post in here that strictly post on the PA Off Topic section and strictly about politics.

Did you really come to PA (a horse racing website) to discuss politics?

elysiantraveller
01-06-2018, 08:55 PM
Honest question.

I see a few people that post in here that strictly post on the PA Off Topic section and strictly about politics.

Did you really come to PA (a horse racing website) to discuss politics?

Nope. Just don't have the time for horses anymore. Came here originally after the DRF board shut down many moons ago.

Lemon Drop Husker
01-06-2018, 09:09 PM
Nope. Just don't have the time for horses anymore. Came here originally after the DRF board shut down many moons ago.

Very plausible Mr. Wolff. ;)

boxcar
01-06-2018, 09:15 PM
There was a right reaction:

Wolff: "Can I get access inside the White House and with staff?"

"No."

If Trump totally "ignored" this trash, as you suggested, the MM would interpret that as tacit admission of guilt. Trump is in the unenviable position of being damned if he doesn't and damned if he does.

FantasticDan
01-06-2018, 09:36 PM
https://twitter.com/pftompkins/status/949449100130271232

jocko699
01-06-2018, 09:36 PM
Wolff has an article at the Hollywood Reporter of material extracted from the book. Mostly gossipy and unsubstantiated, but a lot of it rings true.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/michael-wolff-my-insane-year-inside-trumps-white-house-1071504

The first time I have seen a link to the Hollywood Reporter, lol.

MutuelClerk
01-06-2018, 09:50 PM
If Trump totally "ignored" this trash, as you suggested, the MM would interpret that as tacit admission of guilt. Trump is in the unenviable position of being damned if he doesn't and damned if he does.

Trump loves this stuff. Be it good, bad or ugly. No one has ever played the media better.

forced89
01-06-2018, 10:13 PM
I didn't vote for Trump (I voted for Evan McMullin) but am amazed with all he is quietly getting done while his (many) detractors are spewing nonsense about him. I am referring to Executive Orders, Judges, and rule making by his Cabinet appointees.

horses4courses
01-06-2018, 10:39 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSyFB6UWAAEFcdh.jpg

fast4522
01-06-2018, 10:48 PM
Honest question.

I see a few people that post in here that strictly post on the PA Off Topic section and strictly about politics.

Did you really come to PA (a horse racing website) to discuss politics?

I am stuck in OT because the boss thinks my signature is offensive to some. Admittedly my prior one about not sending greenbacks to Canada irked some who believe in socialism.

horses4courses
01-06-2018, 10:58 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSxVhmGV4AEd7ZI.jpg

jocko699
01-06-2018, 11:16 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSxVhmGV4AEd7ZI.jpg

Thank you for the cartoons.

PaceAdvantage
01-07-2018, 12:00 AM
https://twitter.com/pftompkins/status/949449100130271232Indeed. See my post #22 video response. Hell, I'll just repost it now, it was so funny the first time around:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuW_7sktdBc

woodtoo
01-07-2018, 11:56 AM
The masquerading journalist insist in propping up this hit piece by Michael Wolff
a known fabricator of truths. The Fake news label they earned with their worthless investigative skills and reporting of lies will not be shed any time soon, they have sunk to the bottom of the pit. Their standards are proven daily to be nonexistent, may they rest in the pile of dung they hold so dearly.

Presstitutes is a name they have earned and will remain until they sink deeper and deeper in the swamp of irrelevance.

Most all are worthless asshat enemies of the State.

FantasticDan
01-07-2018, 12:32 PM
The masquerading journalist insist in propping up this hit piece by Michael Wolff
a known fabricator of truths. The Fake news label they earned with their worthless investigative skills and reporting of lies will not be shed any time soon, they have sunk to the bottom of the pit. Their standards are proven daily to be nonexistent, may they rest in the pile of dung they hold so dearly.

Presstitutes is a name they have earned and will remain until they sink deeper and deeper in the swamp of irrelevance.

Most all are worthless asshat enemies of the State.
Enemies and asshats of the State should be prosecuted and made to be in irrelevant swamps as should all who oppose stable genius of Trump who is like really smart and top TV star derp

woodtoo
01-07-2018, 12:54 PM
Enemies and asshats of the State should be prosecuted and made to be in irrelevant swamps as should all who oppose stable genius of Trump who is like really smart and top TV star derp

This sounds great Dan, I'm just not feeling the love you proclaim.:kiss:

kingfin66
01-07-2018, 02:23 PM
Enemies and asshats of the State should be prosecuted and made to be in irrelevant swamps as should all who oppose stable genius of Trump who is like really smart and top TV star derp

Add to that also that "The President's authority shall not be questioned."

Tom
01-07-2018, 02:54 PM
This sounds great Dan, I'm just not feeling the love you proclaim.:kiss:

Enjoying the meltdown as much as I am? :popcorn:

woodtoo
01-07-2018, 03:27 PM
Enjoying the meltdown as much as I am? :popcorn:

Like a Missouri boat ride Josie!:lol:

chadk66
01-07-2018, 03:30 PM
The truth of the whole matter is this. Absolutely none of this matters to a single person that voted for Trump. Sorry, it's not going to change a damn thing next election cycle :pound:

woodtoo
01-07-2018, 04:00 PM
Saw Steven Miller on State of the Union with Jake Tapper.
Watching the great Jake meltdown, bad case of TDS. Almost feel sorry for the lost soul.:pound:Almost

FantasticDan
01-07-2018, 04:27 PM
Enjoying the meltdown as much as I am? :popcorn:
Think you meant that for the climate change thread :blush:

Itís been hotter itís been colder derp derp :lol:

woodtoo
01-07-2018, 05:23 PM
Saw Steven Miller on State of the Union with Jake Tapper.
Watching the great Jake meltdown, bad case of TDS. Almost feel sorry for the lost soul.:pound:Almost

Miller-"why don't you give me some time to cite the truth?"

Tapper-"because its my show and I don't want to do that."
:eek:

Nutz and Boltz
01-08-2018, 12:12 PM
" I think that I would qualify as not smart, but genius....and a very stable genius at that!" ....Donald Trump


All of us horse players know what's on the floor of a stable.

Clocker
01-08-2018, 01:20 PM
" I think that I would qualify as not smart, but genius....and a very stable genius at that!" ....Donald Trump


All of us horse players know what's on the floor of a stable.

I always thought Mr. Ed was the stable genius. :p

mostpost
01-08-2018, 02:46 PM
https://twitter.com/pftompkins/status/949449100130271232

I think we have. Quite a bit actually.

mostpost
01-08-2018, 02:51 PM
Saw Steven Miller on State of the Union with Jake Tapper.
Watching the great Jake meltdown, bad case of TDS. Almost feel sorry for the lost soul.:pound:Almost
Not only did Miller never answer any of the questions Tapper posed to him; not only did he do nothing but spout propaganda and lies; but he refused to leave the set when the interview was over and had to be escorted off by security like the whiny little blank he is.

boxcar
01-08-2018, 03:34 PM
Does everyone know that this tabloid queen who wrote this nonsense insists that Trump never wanted the presidency? (And I understand he makes a big deal out of this in his book.) If this is the case -- if this is indeed the truth, the whole truth and nothing but...then what is begging to be asked is: Why would Trump collude with the Russians to beat Hillary? Horsey, FanDan,Mosty...any rational explanation for this slight disconnect between these two narratives? :lol::lol::lol: :coffee:

chadk66
01-08-2018, 03:41 PM
Does everyone know that this tabloid queen who wrote this nonsense insists that Trump never wanted the presidency? (And I understand he makes a big deal out of this in his book.) If this is the case -- if this is indeed the truth, the whole truth and nothing but...then what is begging to be asked is: Why would Trump collude with the Russians to beat Hillary? Horsey, FanDan,Mosty...any rational explanation for this slight disconnect between these two narratives? :lol::lol::lol: :coffee:for this to be true you have to believe Trump would be willing to spend 50 million of his own money to loose. liberals will believe a lot of shit but is there honestly one dumb enough to believe that?:lol:

elysiantraveller
01-08-2018, 04:18 PM
for this to be true you have to believe Trump would be willing to spend 50 million of his own money to loose. liberals will believe a lot of shit but is there honestly one dumb enough to believe that?:lol:

That money was a loan. He got it back.

Saratoga_Mike
01-08-2018, 04:49 PM
for this to be true you have to believe Trump would be willing to spend 50 million of his own money to loose. liberals will believe a lot of shit but is there honestly one dumb enough to believe that?:lol:

Yeah, wealthy people never run for office, spend a lot of their own money and lose. :rolleyes:

And it isn't overly important, Chad, but for someone who doesn't really care for Trump (as you said months ago), it's odd that you defend him 24/7. Oh course he needs protection from the dastardly media. His approval rating would be 90% without the media. Zero doubt. Yes.

boxcar
01-08-2018, 05:03 PM
Yeah, wealthy people never run for office, spend a lot of their own money and lose. :rolleyes:

And it isn't overly important, Chad, but for someone who doesn't really care for Trump (as you said months ago), it's odd that you defend him 24/7. Oh course he needs protection from the dastardly media. His approval rating would be 90% without the media. Zero doubt. Yes.

But do wealthy people run for office and spend " a lot of their own money" with the intention of losing, as the airhead claims in his book?

RunForTheRoses
01-08-2018, 05:21 PM
Does everyone know that this tabloid queen who wrote this nonsense insists that Trump never wanted the presidency? (And I understand he makes a big deal out of this in his book.) If this is the case -- if this is indeed the truth, the whole truth and nothing but...then what is begging to be asked is: Why would Trump collude with the Russians to beat Hillary? Horsey, FanDan,Mosty...any rational explanation for this slight disconnect between these two narratives? :lol::lol::lol: :coffee:

I obtained a copy of this book and am about 50 pages in. It is terribly written, has the style of a Hollywood tell all. You are right though. So far no one thought he could win, not the people on the staff, not his family, not himself.

The author had written a book on elitist, not conservative Murdoch and Murdoch and Ailes are quoted saying negative stuff about Trump.

He slanders Melania and by association anyone who voted for Trump. It is red meat for left wing skunks and so-called conservative posters who are anti-Trump.

RunForTheRoses
01-08-2018, 05:22 PM
for this to be true you have to believe Trump would be willing to spend 50 million of his own money to loose. liberals will believe a lot of shit but is there honestly one dumb enough to believe that?:lol:

According to the book he loaned only a fraction of that to the campaign. A Long Island NY conservative donated a lot.

elysiantraveller
01-08-2018, 05:28 PM
According to the book he loaned only a fraction of that to the campaign. A Long Island NY conservative donated a lot.

Also according to the FEC.

boxcar
01-08-2018, 06:19 PM
I obtained a copy of this book and am about 50 pages in. It is terribly written, has the style of a Hollywood tell all. You are right though. So far no one thought he could win, not the people on the staff, not his family, not himself.

The author had written a book on elitist, not conservative Murdoch and Murdoch and Ailes are quoted saying negative stuff about Trump.

He slanders Melania and by association anyone who voted for Trump. It is red meat for left wing skunks and so-called conservative posters who are anti-Trump.

Sleazy is as Sleazy does. Sounds like the guy has a lot of class...all low.

davew
01-09-2018, 10:08 AM
Not only did Miller never answer any of the questions Tapper posed to him; not only did he do nothing but spout propaganda and lies; but he refused to leave the set when the interview was over and had to be escorted off by security like the whiny little blank he is.

Miller: No, Jake, you brought me on to talk about the Camp David summit




Jake was correct though, none of his viewers have an interest in hearing an opposing viewpoint.

MutuelClerk
01-09-2018, 11:45 AM
What this interview or lack thereof came down to was agendas. Neither side wanting to listen to other. Shocking. Not.

davew
01-09-2018, 11:48 AM
Wolff used the time and tested literary technique and interviewing people as close as you can get, collect gossip, extrapolate to the agenda/story you want. After listening to his interview, he seems to lie a lot.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05sz4jw

Clocker
01-09-2018, 01:20 PM
Wolff used the time and tested literary technique and interviewing people as close as you can get, collect gossip, extrapolate to the agenda/story you want.

Apparently with the blessings of the administration which granted unrestricted access to a known hack like Wolff. Trump has never been able to say no to a camera or a reporter, despite often regretting it later.

chadk66
01-09-2018, 04:44 PM
Yeah, wealthy people never run for office, spend a lot of their own money and lose. :rolleyes:

And it isn't overly important, Chad, but for someone who doesn't really care for Trump (as you said months ago), it's odd that you defend him 24/7. Oh course he needs protection from the dastardly media. His approval rating would be 90% without the media. Zero doubt. Yes.he certainly wasn't my choice. But he's exceeded my expectations. So he is certainly worthy of defending.

chadk66
01-09-2018, 04:45 PM
According to the book he loaned only a fraction of that to the campaign. A Long Island NY conservative donated a lot.according to the book :lol:

davew
01-09-2018, 04:47 PM
Apparently with the blessings of the administration which granted unrestricted access to a known hack like Wolff. Trump has never been able to say no to a camera or a reporter, despite often regretting it later.

That is what Wolff claims - not sure if true

elysiantraveller
01-09-2018, 05:02 PM
according to the book :lol:

Also according to the Federal Election Committee but.. details...

woodtoo
01-09-2018, 05:05 PM
according to the book :lol:

"If it rings true it is true"- Wolff

_______
01-09-2018, 05:16 PM
That is what Wolff claims - not sure if true

His main access seems to have been through Bannon. Who has apologized for what he said to Wolff. And been excommunicated (for now) by the President for what he said.

But Iím sure he made everything up.

Wolff is the last author I want to defend. The guy is an absolute gossip monger willing to stab in the face those with the lack of control to actually speak to him on the record after everything else he has published.

And this White House gave him free rein for more than a year. Or didnít if you can hold the ideas in my 2nd and 3rd sentences together with that thought without your head exploding.

Nutz and Boltz
01-09-2018, 06:41 PM
Breaking news..
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/steve-bannon-resign-breitbart-news-article-1.3747201

barahona44
01-09-2018, 07:00 PM
Breaking news..
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/steve-bannon-resign-breitbart-news-article-1.3747201

I doubt this was voluntary on Bannon's part.But now he'll have more time to upgrade his wardrobe by hitting the Goodwill.

JustRalph
01-09-2018, 07:38 PM
Trump stomps another one under his feet

Nutz and Boltz
01-09-2018, 07:41 PM
Trump stomps another one under his feet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuoRRDtdHbY

chadk66
01-09-2018, 07:56 PM
Also according to the Federal Election Committee but.. details...and we believe the government :lol:

elysiantraveller
01-09-2018, 08:04 PM
and we believe the government :lol:

Lol true.

Nutz and Boltz
01-09-2018, 08:44 PM
That goes for the current government also.

RunForTheRoses
01-10-2018, 11:50 AM
according to the book :lol:

I'd be willing to believe it, I'm no Trump sycophant, it is dems style to believe in unrealistic heroes, look at how some believe Obammy walk on water. I believe that DT is a lot better than the alternative so I do support him but don't worship.

Nutz and Boltz
01-10-2018, 12:52 PM
I'd be willing to believe it, I'm no Trump sycophant, it is dems style to believe in unrealistic heroes, look at how some believe Obammy walk on water. I believe that DT is a lot better than the alternative so I do support him but don't worship.

Like him or not, we should all support him. I say leave it up to the political opposition in Congress and the Senate to challenge his policies. That's what we voted them into office for, isn't it ?

mostpost
01-10-2018, 02:10 PM
Of course. Author admits that all therein is not true. What shocking news! :rolleyes: :coffee:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/5/michael-wolff-fire-and-fury-author-admits-not-all-/
I am reading the book and I read the forward. What it tells me is that for some events there were conflicting accounts of what happened and the author is providing both accounts and leaving it to the reader to determine which is the most accurate. For other events there is little or no doubt.

The fact is, the major themes of the book are well documented and beyond debate.

woodtoo
01-10-2018, 02:12 PM
I am reading the book and I read the forward. What it tells me is that for some events there were conflicting accounts of what happened and the author is providing both accounts and leaving it to the reader to determine which is the most accurate. For other events there is little or no doubt.

The fact is, the major themes of the book are well documented and beyond debate.

You are easily fooled by your inner evil attributed to Hillary

jocko699
01-10-2018, 04:22 PM
The fact is, the major themes of the book are well documented and beyond debate.

Seems to me that the case is closed then:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Tom
01-10-2018, 04:52 PM
I saw the "author?" on one of the Sunday morning Hack Shows and he was saying he mixed up two guys with the same first name and was sorry.

He sure is sorry - a sorry exucuse of an author. What an incompetent idiot.
Almost as big of one as those think the book is real!

boxcar
01-10-2018, 04:59 PM
I am reading the book and I read the forward. What it tells me is that for some events there were conflicting accounts of what happened and the author is providing both accounts and leaving it to the reader to determine which is the most accurate. For other events there is little or no doubt.

The fact is, the major themes of the book are well documented and beyond debate.

The real fact is that you are duped very easily.

Have you figured out for us, yet, how Trump never wanted to be president but yet colluded with Russia so that he could beat Hillary to become president?

reckless
01-10-2018, 05:28 PM
I actually know someone in the NYC publishing world who knows Michael Wolf fairly well.

She said he cannot be trusted; he always takes liberties with sources, and he is 'absolutely horrible with facts', especially those little annoying ones that don't often fit his desired narrative. She said these things long before this book came out. I've known her for ages.

That said... one item in the book that I personally found interesting and very funny was when he wrote that Trump was lazy who doesn't like to work. No direct quote but words to that effect.

Now, as a reminder ... Michael Wolf is always identified as an book 'author' -- someone who write books.

Yet ... Wolf, an author, wrote the following books:

-- White Kids. Simon & Schuster. 1979.

-- Where We Stand: Can America Make It in the Global Race for Wealth, Health, and Happiness?. Bantam Books. 1992.

-- Burn Rate: How I Survived the Gold Rush Years on the Internet. Simon & Schuster. 1998.

-- Autumn of the Moguls: My Misadventures With the Titans, Poseurs, and Money Guys Who Mastered and Messed Up Big Media. Collins. 2003.

-- The Man Who Owns the News: Inside the Secret World of Rupert Murdoch. Broadway Books. 2008.

-- Television Is the New Television: The Unexpected Triumph of Old Media In the Digital Age. Portfolio. 2015.

-- Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House. Henry Holt and Company. 2018.

From 1979 through 2018, 39 years, Wolf has written just 7 books. That's just one book every 5-plus years or so.

Trump has a 40+ year career as a major, important business leader with real estate projects all over the world. He's built golf courses, hotels, office buildings and accomplished the greatest achievement in the political history of the USA when he became President. He earlier entered the world of network TV as an outsider and newcomer too and in his very first year had the highest rated show in TV -- and did so for 15 years!

And, yet, Michael Wolf says Donald Trump doesn't work hard and isn't very smart. :lol::lol:

boxcar
01-10-2018, 06:13 PM
I actually know someone in the NYC publishing world who knows Michael Wolf fairly well.

She said he cannot be trusted; he always takes liberties with sources, and he is 'absolutely horrible with facts', especially those little annoying ones that don't often fit his desired narrative. She said these things long before this book came out. I've known her for ages.

That said... one item in the book that I personally found interesting and very funny was when he wrote that Trump was lazy who doesn't like to work. No direct quote but words to that effect.

Now, as a reminder ... Michael Wolf is always identified as an book 'author' -- someone who write books.

Yet ... Wolf, an author, wrote the following books:

-- White Kids. Simon & Schuster. 1979.

-- Where We Stand: Can America Make It in the Global Race for Wealth, Health, and Happiness?. Bantam Books. 1992.

-- Burn Rate: How I Survived the Gold Rush Years on the Internet. Simon & Schuster. 1998.

-- Autumn of the Moguls: My Misadventures With the Titans, Poseurs, and Money Guys Who Mastered and Messed Up Big Media. Collins. 2003.

-- The Man Who Owns the News: Inside the Secret World of Rupert Murdoch. Broadway Books. 2008.

-- Television Is the New Television: The Unexpected Triumph of Old Media In the Digital Age. Portfolio. 2015.

-- Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House. Henry Holt and Company. 2018.

From 1979 through 2018, 39 years, Wolf has written just 7 books. That's just one book every 5-plus years or so.

Trump has a 40+ year career as a major, important business leader with real estate projects all over the world. He's built golf courses, hotels, office buildings and accomplished the greatest achievement in the political history of the USA when he became President. He earlier entered the world of network TV as an outsider and newcomer too and in his very first year had the highest rated show in TV -- and did so for 15 years!

And, yet, Michael Wolf says Donald Trump doesn't work hard and isn't very smart. :lol::lol:

Just another "little" disconnect (no doubt among very many others) between fact and falsehood.

Clocker
01-10-2018, 06:52 PM
Like him or not, we should all support him. I say leave it up to the political opposition in Congress and the Senate to challenge his policies.

Leaving aside the fact that no one here has any impact on the political process, what does "support him" mean?

I "support him" as preferable to Hillary, but he is wrong on a number of important issues, and I certainly will point out when the emperor has no clothes.

Nutz and Boltz
01-10-2018, 07:39 PM
Leaving aside the fact that no one here has any impact on the political process, what does "support him" mean?

I "support him" as preferable to Hillary, but he is wrong on a number of important issues, and I certainly will point out when the emperor has no clothes.

Maybe instead of "support ", I should have used the word" respect" . He is our duly elected President.

Clocker
01-10-2018, 08:17 PM
Maybe instead of "support ", I should have used the word" respect" . He is our duly elected President.

I respect the office. The person in the office has to earn respect on an ongoing basis. Many in the past haven't in my opinion.

chadk66
01-10-2018, 08:55 PM
The minute the dude wrote Trump was lazy, all credibility went to zero. Or should have for every person in the country regardless of party affiliation.

Tom
01-10-2018, 10:36 PM
But many in this country have no mental affiliation.
And some even post here!:eek:

horses4courses
01-11-2018, 12:22 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTFtK4iU0AUdMnl.jpg

JustRalph
01-11-2018, 12:38 AM
You do........

And they are coming.......

FantasticDan
01-11-2018, 12:53 AM
You do........

And they are coming.......
Huh? :confused:

Tom
01-11-2018, 10:00 AM
O that's Good!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYM8mYfK_oE

JustRalph
01-13-2018, 11:43 PM
https://hotair.com/archives/2018/01/12/michael-wolff-source-printed-third-hand-story-told-got-someone-beach/

Beach stories

davew
01-17-2018, 10:11 PM
someone is going to turn this book into a television show :lol:

Tom
01-17-2018, 11:38 PM
someone is going to turn this book into a television show :lol:

The GONG Show?