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JustRalph
01-05-2018, 07:00 PM
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2018/01/05/single-payer-healthcare-in-crisis-britains-nhs-cancels-50000-surgeries-n2429821

Terrible!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/britain-apology-nhs-surgeries-cancelled-1.4472698

boxcar
01-05-2018, 07:17 PM
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2018/01/05/single-payer-healthcare-in-crisis-britains-nhs-cancels-50000-surgeries-n2429821

Terrible!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/britain-apology-nhs-surgeries-cancelled-1.4472698

The problem is easily solved if only the government knew that the common sense solution is much higher taxation for every working BRIT. :coffee:

davew
01-05-2018, 07:27 PM
They should have told them if they are overweight or smokers they go way down on the list because they are going to die sooner anyway.

Tom
01-05-2018, 10:56 PM
They should have told them if they are overweight or smokers they go way down on the list because they are going to die sooner anyway.

Well then that applies to cops, firemen, people who drive cars, people who drink...

chadk66
01-06-2018, 10:04 AM
who woulda thunk

JustRalph
01-06-2018, 07:36 PM
Where are all the defenders of single payer? We have threads for days with people defending Canada, Britain and Cuba

But when this shit happens they go scurrying to any hole they can find. Single payer run by government is crap and this is proof.

This is a Country with only 65 million people and they are screwed. Try 320 million?

elysiantraveller
01-06-2018, 08:22 PM
Where are all the defenders of single payer? We have threads for days with people defending Canada, Britain and Cuba

But when this shit happens they go scurrying to any hole they can find. Single payer run by government is crap and this is proof.

This is a Country with only 65 million people and they are screwed. Try 320 million?

A lot of this probably could have been avoided but governments, unlike businesses and markets, don't have the foresight.

They don't have to.

They can't fail.

horses4courses
01-06-2018, 09:17 PM
this is proof

One of your many flaws on display here.
You automatically assume that the biased crap you dig up online is true.

Britain's health system is far more functional than the chaos here.
You just can't be bothered to look at factual sources.
Dig a little deeper for the truth, not just what makes you feel good.

boxcar
01-06-2018, 09:19 PM
A lot of this probably could have been avoided but governments, unlike businesses and markets, don't have the foresight.

They don't have to.

They can't fail.

Ahh...so governments can be stupid just because they can? Well, then...why should anyone trust their government? Would you trust a stupid person with all your assets?

Tom
01-06-2018, 09:23 PM
Anyone who believes their government deserves whatever screw job they get.

boxcar
01-06-2018, 09:23 PM
One of your many flaws on display here.
You automatically assume that the biased crap you dig up online is true.

Britain's health system is far more functional than the chaos here.
You just can't be bothered to look at factual sources.
Dig a little deeper for the truth, not just what makes you feel good.

Yeah...what's the wait time for non-emergency hospital care in this country? Why won't you dig that truth out for us in our "chaotic" health care environment?

Tom
01-06-2018, 09:26 PM
Britain's health system is far more functional than the chaos here.
You just can't be bothered to look at factual sources.
Dig a little deeper for the truth, not just what makes you feel good.

The chaos here, at this time, is 100% due to ACA - and people like you who supported it.

Fear not, it will get better now that the Kenyan Krock of Krap is gone.

horses4courses
01-06-2018, 09:29 PM
The ACA is flawed - mainly due to sabotage.
It could work very well, under the right circumstances.

If many on here traveled to a forest,
they probably wouldn't see wood or trees.

Tom
01-06-2018, 09:33 PM
It could work very well, under the right circumstances.

Yeah, implement it in some banana republic dictatorship where they don't care if you live or die and ACA is just the ticket.

In the real world, it did the only thing it could do, was designed to do - FAIL.

Much Like Hillary.

jocko699
01-06-2018, 09:34 PM
One of your many flaws on display here.
You automatically assume that the biased crap you dig up online is true.

Britain's health system is far more functional than the chaos here.
You just can't be bothered to look at factual sources.
Dig a little deeper for the truth, not just what makes you feel good.

Two things:

1. My bride is a British citizen. Where the hell do you think this system works effectively?
2. Even if their system works, which is does not, what is the population of UK compared to the US?

Clocker
01-06-2018, 10:05 PM
The ACA is flawed - mainly due to sabotage.
It could work very well, under the right circumstances.


That being a lot more young and healthy people paying into the system for coverage that they don't need. :rolleyes:

To cut off the usual bleeding heart whining in advance, if society at large deems a certain level of health care appropriate, then society at large needs to pay for it, not fund it through targeted imposts on a minor portion of the population.

The Democrats that passed this abortion of a bill knew that the only ways to fund it were with a tax increase or with the mandates, and that their own voters would not go for a tax increase.

elysiantraveller
01-06-2018, 10:39 PM
Ahh...so governments can be stupid just because they can? Well, then...why should anyone trust their government? Would you trust a stupid person with all your assets?

Basically, they shouldn't, no.

Not sure what your getting at.

mostpost
01-06-2018, 11:52 PM
One of your many flaws on display here.
You automatically assume that the biased crap you dig up online is true.

Britain's health system is far more functional than the chaos here.
You just can't be bothered to look at factual sources.
Dig a little deeper for the truth, not just what makes you feel good.
Not being a conservative, I decided to do some research to find out what percentage of scheduled surgeries are cancelled in the United States. As a point of reference, the 50,000 surgeries cancelled in JRs story were about one per cent of the total surgeries performed in Great Britain in one year.

I found a couple of studies which found that 4.4% of scheduled surgeries in the USA are cancelled on the day of surgery. At least half of those are cancelled because of the lack of an available hospital bed or an open operating theater. As you know, 4.4% is more than 1%.

Another thing none of our conservative friends here seem to understand is the difference between single payer and socialized medicine. Single payer refers to how health care is paid for. Socialized medicine refers to how it is delivered. Single Payer is Medicare for all. In Medicare, healthcare is delivered by independent, private doctors, clinics, hospitals etc. It is paid for by the patient through the insurance program known as Medicare.

Single Payer eliminates the private, for profit insurance companies. It does not eliminate private doctors, private nurses, pharmaceutical companies, private hospitals, or private clinics.

Lemon Drop Husker
01-06-2018, 11:59 PM
Not being a conservative

So a yellow pantsuit is your choice of attire.

Fair enough.

Clocker
01-07-2018, 12:08 AM
Not being a conservative, I decided to do some research to find out what percentage of scheduled surgeries are cancelled in the United States. As a point of reference, the 50,000 surgeries cancelled in JRs story were about one per cent of the total surgeries performed in Great Britain in one year.

I found a couple of studies which found that 4.4% of scheduled surgeries in the USA are cancelled on the day of surgery. At least half of those are cancelled because of the lack of an available hospital bed or an open operating theater. As you know, 4.4% is more than 1%.

Totally meaningless numbers when presented in isolation. How far ahead had the surgery been scheduled: a day? a week? a month? a year? Was the cancelled surgery elective, or routine, or serious, or critical? How quickly was the cancelled surgery rescheduled: a day? a week? a month? a year?

JustRalph
01-07-2018, 10:23 AM
Totally meaningless numbers when presented in isolation. How far ahead had the surgery been scheduled: a day? a week? a month? a year? Was the cancelled surgery elective, or routine, or serious, or critical? How quickly was the cancelled surgery rescheduled: a day? a week? a month? a year?

Stop making so much sense!

Horsey just denies that the article is true. There are multiple news sources reporting it, and Theresa May has publicly apologized for it!

But no! Can’t be true.........

elysiantraveller
01-07-2018, 10:48 AM
Stop making so much sense!

Horsey just denies that the article is true. There are multiple news sources reporting it, and Theresa May has publicly apologized for it!

But no! Can’t be true.........

This is nothing new either. The issues in the British health system have been going on for a decade or so. Aging populations and poor central planning rearing it's ugly head.

chadk66
01-07-2018, 03:39 PM
Not being a conservative, I decided to do some research to find out what percentage of scheduled surgeries are cancelled in the United States. As a point of reference, the 50,000 surgeries cancelled in JRs story were about one per cent of the total surgeries performed in Great Britain in one year.

I found a couple of studies which found that 4.4% of scheduled surgeries in the USA are cancelled on the day of surgery. At least half of those are cancelled because of the lack of an available hospital bed or an open operating theater. As you know, 4.4% is more than 1%.

Another thing none of our conservative friends here seem to understand is the difference between single payer and socialized medicine. Single payer refers to how health care is paid for. Socialized medicine refers to how it is delivered. Single Payer is Medicare for all. In Medicare, healthcare is delivered by independent, private doctors, clinics, hospitals etc. It is paid for by the patient through the insurance program known as Medicare.

Single Payer eliminates the private, for profit insurance companies. It does not eliminate private doctors, private nurses, pharmaceutical companies, private hospitals, or private clinics.which ones of those are elective surgeries?

fast4522
01-07-2018, 06:43 PM
This is nothing new either. The issues in the British health system have been going on for a decade or so. Aging populations and poor central planning rearing it's ugly head.

Exactly the same reasons socialist single payer would be a disaster in the United States.

elysiantraveller
01-07-2018, 09:00 PM
Exactly the same reasons socialist single payer would be a disaster in the United States.

Agreed.

pandy
01-08-2018, 12:21 AM
The ACA is flawed - mainly due to sabotage.
It could work very well, under the right circumstances.

If many on here traveled to a forest,
they probably wouldn't see wood or trees.

Calling ACA flawed is being kind. It was severely underfunded, which made it unsustainable, which made it a failure. It was also extremely unfair in the way it was financed, putting the burden on small businesses. If the gov't is going to have something like the ACA, then everyone must pay for it, just like we all chip in for social security and Medicare.

Clocker
01-08-2018, 01:15 AM
If the gov't is going to have something like the ACA, then everyone must pay for it, just like we all chip in for social security and Medicare.

That would require a funding method visible to the public, like a tax increase. A primary objective of the ACA scam was to present it to the public as free.

pandy
01-08-2018, 08:54 AM
That would require a funding method visible to the public, like a tax increase. A primary objective of the ACA scam was to present it to the public as free.


Right. But in reality, it was a huge tax on the middle class, especially people who didn't have employer-based health insurance.

Tom
01-08-2018, 10:53 AM
How about we do things that will encourage a healthy economy and give people jobs, then cut back drastically on how much taxes we steal fro them, and then put some common sense laws into effect that will help keep health costs down, and then let people take care of themselves.

zico20
01-08-2018, 02:30 PM
Calling ACA flawed is being kind. It was severely underfunded, which made it unsustainable, which made it a failure. It was also extremely unfair in the way it was financed, putting the burden on small businesses. If the gov't is going to have something like the ACA, then everyone must pay for it, just like we all chip in for social security and Medicare.

There is the problem. Liberals do not want everyone to contribute to their health care needs. They want to give it away to as many people as possible, having it subsidized by businesses's and the middle class.