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cj
12-28-2017, 06:22 PM
Last race at GP today. Think he whipped a few too many times, the horse shied, and down he went. Had the race in hand too. Crazy.

cj
12-28-2017, 06:24 PM
Cost somebody the Rainbow six too, about 1/2 million dollars.

davew
12-28-2017, 06:29 PM
I hope he did not get trampled - it may have cost Emisael Jaramillo much more.

cj
12-28-2017, 06:32 PM
I hope he did not get trampled - it may have cost Emisael Jaramillo much more.

Yeah, certainly wish him well. He didn't get trampled for sure. He did stay down, might have been clipped.

cj
12-28-2017, 06:33 PM
https://twitter.com/DRFWelsch/status/946509223655034885

linrom1
12-28-2017, 06:37 PM
He was ahead by at least 5-6 lengths and I thought I had the race easily won, the next thing is I see is the jock jumping off the horse and I am wondering what is going on. No replays either!

cj
12-28-2017, 06:49 PM
He was ahead by at least 5-6 lengths and I thought I had the race easily won, the next thing is I see is the jock jumping off the horse and I am wondering what is going on. No replays either!

He wasn't ahead by nearly that much but the race was in hand. He certainly didn't jump off.

HandyKapper
12-28-2017, 07:00 PM
Just watched the replay on Twinspires if anyone wants to take a look.

davew
12-28-2017, 07:03 PM
looks like horse suddenly veered in a couple lanes and jockey slipped off

cj
12-28-2017, 07:04 PM
https://twitter.com/NWxSW/status/946505906623209472

Denny
12-28-2017, 07:15 PM
Gulfstream is such a low-class operation.

They don't show the REPLAY after the race.

No explanation given.

No word on the condition of the jockey.

linrom1
12-28-2017, 07:31 PM
looks like horse suddenly veered in a couple lanes and jockey slipped off

So he slipped off the horse.. he did look pretty inept, kind off like he was jumping off.

He was going to be my "secret" for this meet. He reminded me a lot of Eibar Coa, another Venezuelan.

Denny
12-28-2017, 07:39 PM
Yes, GP showed before the race there was ONE live ticket on numbers 8 & 9, respectively, for the entire jackpot. Which would have been approximately 500k, since about 450k is now being carried over to tomorrow.

Just me, but, I think these jackpot-style bets are bad for the sport. Too much possibility exists for collusion or funny-business. Remember the Fix6 and all the bad press around that. Also remember the time Gulfstream stewards DQ'd the lone winner of the Rainbow 6 a few years ago.

davew
12-28-2017, 07:52 PM
GP has put the race on youtube - would like to see the head-on though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQchuZcBOcU

HalvOnHorseracing
12-28-2017, 08:31 PM
It looked to me like the :9: was either getting tired or being lazy and the jockey wanted to keep him to his business.

Parkview_Pirate
12-28-2017, 09:08 PM
...Just me, but, I think these jackpot-style bets are bad for the sport. Too much possibility exists for collusion or funny-business. Remember the Fix6 and all the bad press around that. Also remember the time Gulfstream stewards DQ'd the lone winner of the Rainbow 6 a few years ago.

Not just you. Even though this race today looks like an incident that can happen anytime, it's not often that a jock falling off at the wire results in the loss of $500K.

And you'll never, ever convince the person/people who had the :9: in today's Rainbow 6 that is was an "accident"....that's easily a top 10 bad beat of all time....

Fager Fan
12-29-2017, 12:16 AM
Not just you. Even though this race today looks like an incident that can happen anytime, it's not often that a jock falling off at the wire results in the loss of $500K.

And you'll never, ever convince the person/people who had the :9: in today's Rainbow 6 that is was an "accident"....that's easily a top 10 bad beat of all time....

Clearly the horse ducked in right out from under the jock.

Who started the current riding style? I wonder if it's really necessary. Lower the stirrups and give the jockeys some leg on the horse and it's far safer and we'd see less falls (including this one).

WP1981
12-29-2017, 01:35 AM
Looks like it is coming up on SVP's Sportscenter "bad beats" in a few mins on ESPN.

dilanesp
12-29-2017, 05:10 AM
Not just you. Even though this race today looks like an incident that can happen anytime, it's not often that a jock falling off at the wire results in the loss of $500K.

And you'll never, ever convince the person/people who had the :9: in today's Rainbow 6 that is was an "accident"....that's easily a top 10 bad beat of all time....

I agree. I generally hste bad beat stories (I have seen it all), but this is right up there.

Ruffian1
12-29-2017, 09:58 AM
Clearly the horse ducked in right out from under the jock.

Who started the current riding style? I wonder if it's really necessary. Lower the stirrups and give the jockeys some leg on the horse and it's far safer and we'd see less falls (including this one).

The old saying from the backside was :

" The longer you ride, the longer you ride ."

onefast99
12-29-2017, 11:25 AM
Gulfstream is such a low-class operation.

They don't show the REPLAY after the race.

No explanation given.

No word on the condition of the jockey.No track will show a replay when a jock goes down, this is for the safety of the jockey and nothing to do with a cheaply run track as you mentioned.

Fager Fan
12-29-2017, 12:10 PM
The old saying from the backside was :

" The longer you ride, the longer you ride ."

So true. The exercise riders tried the new style but have changed back for the most part riding with the irons lower. I guess no jock wants to lead the way in looking "less pretty" than being perched over their withers.

I have wondered if anyone's thought to study the impact of 115 pounds perched over the withers and down the front legs. Maybe that has an impact on front limb fractures.

Fager Fan
12-29-2017, 12:12 PM
No track will show a replay when a jock goes down, this is for the safety of the jockey and nothing to do with a cheaply run track as you mentioned.

I'd think it may be out of respect for a possible severely injured jockey as I can't see how showing a replay would be a safety concern.

onefast99
12-29-2017, 12:30 PM
I'd think it may be out of respect for a possible severely injured jockey as I can't see how showing a replay would be a safety concern.
At the time the race is being run and a jock is injured no one knows for sure if the injury is serious or not, so the tracks, all of them do not show any replays of the incident. I have heard Todd say on TVG this is "for the safety of the jock and the well being of the horse" and it sounded like a good explanation at that time....

dilanesp
12-29-2017, 12:48 PM
No track will show a replay when a jock goes down, this is for the safety of the jockey and nothing to do with a cheaply run track as you mentioned.

California replays spills all the time.

Fager Fan
12-29-2017, 12:50 PM
At the time the race is being run and a jock is injured no one knows for sure if the injury is serious or not, so the tracks, all of them do not show any replays of the incident. I have heard Todd say on TVG this is "for the safety of the jock and the well being of the horse" and it sounded like a good explanation at that time....

Yes, but I thought Todd's explanation was weird. Safety? How does showing the replay affect the safety of the jockey? I can see not showing out of respect until it's known that he's ok, but just can't see how it has anything to do with safety.

jay68802
12-29-2017, 01:00 PM
Showing a replay of an accident is seen by some to be catering to fans that might "enjoy" seeing a tragic accident. It started when Joe Theisman had his leg broken on Monday Night Football and they replayed it 20 + times. I still can't watch that.

Denny
12-29-2017, 01:03 PM
Gulfstream seemed more interested in cutting away to their South America simulcast than informing the public on what happened.

Do they think no one cares?

No mention of the Rainbow 6 being lost because of it by the announcer either.

Just another thing to put on my list of why I can't stand them and won't bet that track.

Denny
12-29-2017, 01:14 PM
DRF doesn't even mention the incident.

Paulick Report leaves it out of the Headline on the carryover.

Let's just ignore these things.

Is everybody on Stronach's payroll?

Denny
12-29-2017, 01:34 PM
Just appeared at Paulick. Only took a day. LOL

onefast99
12-29-2017, 01:40 PM
California replays spills all the time.The spill yesterday at the wire(which is tough to decipher at GP)had a lot riding on it, one Rainbow ticket worth 571,000. Many wanted to know did the jockey cross the finish line on the horse or not? That was what TVG was trying to find out and one of the analysts even asked for a replay but GP didn't have it. In this case the fact that no information was available made the fall seem very suspicious.

Denny
12-29-2017, 01:49 PM
If you look at the replay, from the top of the stretch the jockey whipped the horse 4 or 5 times right-handed before the incident.

I don't think it was the whipping that made the horse react that way, since he already had been struck at least four times before veering.

If you look closely (I've watched about fifteen times) the horse takes a funny step slightly to the RIGHT, then veers sharply to the LEFT and the jockey falls.

What would make a horse do that?

I'd like to see the SLO-MO. I'd also like to see the HEAD-ON.

Are those available anywhere?

Fager Fan
12-29-2017, 01:54 PM
DRF doesn't even mention the incident.

Paulick Report leaves it out of the Headline on the carryover.

Let's just ignore these things.

Is everybody on Stronach's payroll?


Is there a reason you need it acknowledged? This wasn't Stronach's fault, or anyone's fault. It happened, you know it happened, anyone betting knew it happened, anyone who lost the bet knew it happened, so what exactly is so infuriating about not telling you yet of what happened that you already know happened?

thaskalos
12-29-2017, 03:22 PM
If I were the unlucky guy who held that lone pick-6 ticket on the :9: in that race, I know for a fact that I would have liked to have seen a replay of the incident. It happened so fast and so unexpectedly that no-one could tell how the jockey got dislodged from his horse at that late stage of the race.

It's hard to imagine a worse stroke of misfortune for a horseplayer. Usually, when you get screwed out of a $500,000 payday...there is someone to BLAME.

Fager Fan
12-29-2017, 03:31 PM
If I were the unlucky guy who held that lone pick-6 ticket on the :9: in that race, I know for a fact that I would have liked to have seen a replay of the incident. It happened so fast and so unexpectedly that no-one could tell how the jockey got dislodged from his horse at that late stage of the race.

It's hard to imagine a worse stroke of misfortune for a horseplayer. Usually, when you get screwed out of a $500,000 payday...there is someone to BLAME.

Of course you'd want to see the replay. I didn't have a cent on it but was on the phone with someone who was watching and let out an exclamation when he fell. We both wanted to see the rerun and waited. We finally saw it, just as I'm sure he did. Maybe things didn't go perfect,,but if they made the decision out of respect which I imagine they did (I'm sure the stewards were looking at it immediately), then I can live with waiting a little while.

Maybe it was a whale, which makes my sympathy nil. Ha.

thaskalos
12-29-2017, 03:47 PM
Of course you'd want to see the replay. I didn't have a cent on it but was on the phone with someone who was watching and let out an exclamation when he fell. We both wanted to see the rerun and waited. We finally saw it, just as I'm sure he did. Maybe things didn't go perfect,,but if they made the decision out of respect which I imagine they did (I'm sure the stewards were looking at it immediately), then I can live with waiting a little while.

Maybe it was a whale, which makes my sympathy nil. Ha.

IMO...the race replay should have been shown by the track right after it was decided that the jockey was up and around. This wasn't a case where a horse goes down and takes the jockey with it; I can see the argument against showing the replay in those types of "tragedy" cases. This was a very unusual case where it really looked as if the jockey jumped off the horse right on the shadow of the wire...just as they used to orchestrate in those gangster movies of yesteryear. It's good to have a "protocol" in place...but you must also have a certain degree of "flexibility" when running a sport...in order to deal with the real "unusual" events that occur, once in a long while.

To switch off to some South American track as if nothing at Gulfstream was left undone was the wrong thing to do. The bettors who were involved in the wagering of that race deserved better...IMO.

Denny
12-29-2017, 03:51 PM
Fager,

This incident was/is being ignored by DRF even though Welsch was there.
(The self proclaimed Turf Authority.)

I was watching, the anouncer didn't say a word about the Rainbow or the jockey.

Gulf doesn't show the replay.
They don't tell anybody anything.
They switch to South America.

Someone here at PA (cj) had to point it out.

You don't think there's anything wrong?
Are you also a Gulf apologist?

500k isn't chicken feed. Don't you think people should be made aware by the track involved?

They're a second-class track masquerading as first-class.

Unrelated, but, worth mentioning.
How does anyone know where the Finish Line is on a Turf race at Gulf?

Are we supposed to estimate based on a piece of red tape on the rail.

Where is the actual line they use to show a photo finish???

This track SUCKS.

cj
12-29-2017, 04:05 PM
Fager,

This incident was/is being ignored by DRF even though Welsch was there.
(The self proclaimed Turf Authority.)

I was watching, the anouncer didn't say a word about the Rainbow or the jockey.

Gulf doesn't show the replay.
They don't tell anybody anything.
They switch to South America.

Someone here at PA (cj) had to point it out.

You don't think there's anything wrong?
Are you also a Gulf apologist?

500k isn't chicken feed. Don't you think people should be made aware by the track involved?

They're a second-class track masquerading as first-class.

Unrelated, but, worth mentioning.
How does anyone know where the Finish Line is on a Turf race at Gulf?

Are we supposed to estimate based on a piece of red tape on the rail.

Where is the actual line they use to show a photo finish???

This track SUCKS.

Mike Welsch talked about it on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/DRFWelsch/status/946509738212298752

https://twitter.com/DRFWelsch/status/946515779503128577

cj
12-29-2017, 04:06 PM
Also, appears jockey is ok.

https://twitter.com/DRFWelsch/status/946566233125720064

JustRalph
12-29-2017, 04:15 PM
I want to know how the guy holding the ticket is doing

Denny
12-29-2017, 04:20 PM
cj,
Thanks for the updates. I don't tweet. I see DRF now has a story by MW at the website, nearly 24 hours later. Better late than never.

Do you know if a head-on replay is anywhere to be found.

thaskalos
12-29-2017, 04:23 PM
I want to know how the guy holding the ticket is doing

Who has the balls to walk up and ask him?

cj
12-29-2017, 04:27 PM
cj,
Thanks for the updates. I don't tweet. I see DRF now has a story by MW at the website, nearly 24 hours later. Better late than never.

Do you know if a head-on replay is anywhere to be found.

No problem. That tweet was from yesterday around 5pm CT so he at least started the story then. I imagine he added to it later as time permitted.

I haven't seen a head on. I haven't really looked, but I know others have and have come up empty.

Tom
12-29-2017, 04:33 PM
Who has the balls to walk up and ask him?

Here's the guy did! :eek:

JustRalph
12-29-2017, 04:36 PM
Who has the balls to walk up and ask him?

Good point.....

cj
12-29-2017, 04:36 PM
Good point.....

Nobody has identified the body yet.

Fager Fan
12-29-2017, 05:35 PM
IMO...the race replay should have been shown by the track right after it was decided that the jockey was up and around. This wasn't a case where a horse goes down and takes the jockey with it; I can see the argument against showing the replay in those types of "tragedy" cases. This was a very unusual case where it really looked as if the jockey jumped off the horse right on the shadow of the wire...just as they used to orchestrate in those gangster movies of yesteryear. It's good to have a "protocol" in place...but you must also have a certain degree of "flexibility" when running a sport...in order to deal with the real "unusual" events that occur, once in a long while.

To switch off to some South American track as if nothing at Gulfstream was left undone was the wrong thing to do. The bettors who were involved in the wagering of that race deserved better...IMO.

When exactly did they first show it? I thought that it took awhile to get him off the track, and that it was shown after that.

As for the track feed, I have no explanation if they went to a S Amer track. I'm not used to the feed showing anything but the races there at the track. Perhaps they were in a situation where damned if you do, damned if you don't, they had no replay of the race there yet avail to show so they went over to a race that perhaps they thought patrons were playing and wanting to watch.

Fager Fan
12-29-2017, 05:43 PM
Fager,

This incident was/is being ignored by DRF even though Welsch was there.
(The self proclaimed Turf Authority.)

I was watching, the anouncer didn't say a word about the Rainbow or the jockey.

Gulf doesn't show the replay.
They don't tell anybody anything.
They switch to South America.

Someone here at PA (cj) had to point it out.

You don't think there's anything wrong?
Are you also a Gulf apologist?

500k isn't chicken feed. Don't you think people should be made aware by the track involved?

They're a second-class track masquerading as first-class.

Unrelated, but, worth mentioning.
How does anyone know where the Finish Line is on a Turf race at Gulf?

Are we supposed to estimate based on a piece of red tape on the rail.

Where is the actual line they use to show a photo finish???

This track SUCKS.

You really think CJ was the first to talk about it? You saw it, everyone watching saw it, the holder of the ticket saw it, so why did you need someone to tell you what you just saw? And if the ticket holder wasn't you, why do you care about it being told it messed up the poor guy's ticket? Why would you want that announced even if you were the ticket holder? So people would know why you just threw a chair across the room? Wasn't it fairly clear that anyone holding a ticket on that horse just had a bad beat?

I'm guessing the cup's half empty for you far more often than the cup's half full.

Denny
12-29-2017, 06:18 PM
FF,
When it comes to Gulfstream, the glass is just about EMPTY. A few reasons.

-Incorrect timing of races with Trakus.
-Post dragging every race.
-No direct head-on view for turf race replays
-Different run-ups for the same distance
-Rail placements on turf with moving timing poles. Who knows where.
-No visible Finish Line for Turf course
-Fake purse for the PAYgasus - it's really about $8 million up for grabs - not 16
-Stewards are all paid by the track

Want more?

PaceAdvantage
12-29-2017, 10:35 PM
Gulfstream seemed more interested in cutting away to their South America simulcast than informing the public on what happened.Anyone watching the race saw what happened. What more would you like? It was probably going to be a while before they hear an update on the jock's condition...