Cry me a river, Kerry

[sq764]

Now, if he wants Bush's administration to denounce these ads, shouldn't the Kerry admin denounce Fahrenheight 9/11?


http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/19/kerry.attackads/index.html

[delayjf]

Better yet, why not make his military records available. Edwards claimed that Kerry still had schrapnel in his body. Yet all we know about his wounds are that they were minor and he was never missed a day of duty due to these "wounds".

[Steve 'StatMan']

Kerry should have denounced F911 long ago, but sat back and rode that anti-Bush 'campaign ad' of half-truths for all it's worth. I have not one ounce of pitty for Kerry now that another independent group decided to make turnabout "fair play". Anyone who doesn't like it can thank Michael Moore for raising the stakes.

[kenwoodallpromos]

Kerry just tries to top everyone- in the military, in a band, riding a bicycle, on Senate committees, troop pullouts, veteran's group speeches- he always takes on everything as a personal competition then tries top the the other guy, like trying to outdo his wife in answering hecklers.
That is probably why Edwards started going his own way.
This can be extremely dangerous in dealing with other nations or in conflicts, especially because Kerry only sticks with 1 thing a short time and never finishes anything.

[Tom]

Throughout this campaign, the libs have lined up millionares and billionares to fund lies in all shapes and forms to discredit Bush. Moveone.org is funded by a billionare and it's whole purpose is to throw mud at Bush. MM is just a common street whore who makes cartoons out of lies and mis quotes and things taken out of context. Millions of dollars have been spent on Kerry's behalf and as long as they don't actually say vote for, support, etc. they fly under the radar of comapaign financing laws.
Bush has taken the high road, simply ignoring them and taking care of business. The man has been pure class.
Now, after one little $150,000 by Swiftboat Vets, and the whole KErry camp is in panic mode. Kerry is out there trying to make the world believe that Bush is behind the ad (he is not) and making tough replies (Brign it on!) to non-existant attacks by Bush. One little ad and he is falling apart. Is this the mark of a leader?
Hehehe. Kerry is heading down John Dean street-how long befreo he blows apart and comes up with his own "Dean-scream?"
The funny thing is, if he is so darned concerned about lies, why does'nt he release his war records? Cannot be that many pages!
Keery wants the focus of his campaign to be his short time in Nam, but he doesn't want anyone to actually focus on it (Rush is correct on this one).
EEEEEEEYYYYAAAAAAA!
My name is John Kerry and I authorized this scream!

[Big Bill]

Great post Tom. You hit each point right on the head.

Big Bill

[JustMissed]

Hey John Kerry, Just releash the records.

What are you hidding?

JM:rolleyes:

[Derek2U]

What are they BOTH hiding? Where are the leaders? Maybe it's
impossible given our retro-congress, but I've met some great
thinkers (NOT here LOL) ... mostly financial guys, but these 2
are dolts (bush + kerry) by comparison. Is this the Best we
can unearth? (Both are still light years above Just Ralph & SQetc)
And pray Budha that the vote count is more timely & accurate
than that contest tally.)

[sq764]

Derek calling people dolts..

[linrom1]

Bunch of frigging lunatics from Texas trying to keep herr fuhrer in office. One would think , that we're living on some third world banana plantation. Bush spends his war years drinking beer in a phantom Nat'l Guard unit., but so what, he's a great Chief Commander of an army of Haliburton and Oil men in Iraq.

[JustRalph]

Originally posted by Derek2U
What are they BOTH hiding? Where are the leaders? Maybe it's
impossible given our retro-congress, but I've met some great
thinkers (NOT here LOL) ... mostly financial guys, but these 2
are dolts (bush + kerry) by comparison. Is this the Best we
can unearth? (Both are still light years above Just Ralph & SQetc)
And pray Budha that the vote count is more timely & accurate
than that contest tally.)

I love you too Derek..........

[dav4463]

Isn't it funny how the liberals can never comment on a direct question or statement? The post is about Kerry's military records and then the only comeback the liberal can give is .....duh, dumb texans want to keep herr fuhrer in office....boy that takes some brains to post that ! Libs always turn it into an attack on President Bush. They never say what Kerry can do that is different or better for our country....they can only spout hatred for Bush. WHY DO YOU ALL HATE THE MAN SO MUCH ? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE ? You are the ones that are supposed to "care", yet all you do is HATE !

[PaceAdvantage]

It's simple. They're still pissed about Election '00.

[JustRalph]

New Buttons, I know where I would like to send him......

http://shop2.kerrygear.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/sendmebtn.gif

[JustRalph]

The First Family.........?

http://shop2.kerrygear.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/1familybtn.gif

[JustRalph]

My Personal Fav, the image name is "strengthsupport"

http://shop2.kerrygear.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/StrengthSupport.gif

[JustRalph]

http://www.politicalshop.com/sku/REAGAN4.jpg

[lsbets]

linrom,

An army of halliburton and oil men, huh? gotta tell you, i take great offense to that. Now that I am home for my R&R, and I get to see the news coverage of Iraq on TV, instead of living Iraq daily, I have come to the conclusion that we are in great danger of losing the war on terror because of people just like you, who don't have the stomach to do what we need to in order to win, and will attempt to politicize everything for personal gain. When you hurl your insults around though, do me a favor and leave my Army out of it, we are comprised of brave men and women leaving their families and laying it all on the line so you can spout off like a bufoon. Time fo me to go now, I have to head to the hospital for my wife's c-section, then when my daughter is 10 days old I head back overseas defending lin's right to be a total, complete ass.

[Derek2U]

YES, Finally an answer that makes sense: "Because the '00
Election." --- YES YES. And guess what, Bush is single handed
making this country 3rd rate. In almost every way. It's a shame
that all these deaths of our guys in all the wars would see this
mental medi-ogre piss it all away. But the human spirits won't
go down easy --- many of US are tough --- and we do more than
type posts. We are the urbanites --- and we join hands with our
brethern from the burbs. Have a nice day.

[cj]

What I find so odd is all these dems saying how awful it is to have people die in a WAR, and yet the military will be behind President Bush big time at the polls.

[sq764]

Derek, being tough is being an urbanite? What planet are you from exactly?

It's pansy asses like you that are most dangerous to this country, not Bush or any of his administration. You support Kerry because you want him to bend over and take it from other countries and try to negotiate with them.. It just isn't going to happen..

You want a 3rd rate country? Vote someone in there that has no balls, no respect and no clue.. Kerry is your man.

[ranchwest]

Originally posted by cjmilkowski
What I find so odd is all these dems saying how awful it is to have people die in a WAR, and yet the military will be behind President Bush big time at the polls.

What? Do they want to get home sooner, when Bush pulls in our troops?

Bush can't support Halliburton and all of the military at the same time. He's committed to Iraq. Too bad he couldn't do the same for our own country.

[Tom]

lsBets.....welcome home. Have a good time. And thank you. Your efforts and those of your comrades are not lost on everyone. Not are the outright lies of the liberal media believed by all. Di you catch Hardball last night? That flamming idiot proved once and for all he is absolutely no journalist, that he is 100% biased, and that he has zero talent as a tv show host. His behavior towards that gild guest was completley out of line, and then he followed it up by more lies on his blog. I would call this fat bastard to taks to prove where - and use his own show's transcripts - she ewver sadi Kerry shot himself on purpose. She did not. I honestly believe he is shjucj a lying moron he belives she did. What happened after she was asked to leave the set after only one segment - she was supposed to be on for two - was that Mathews had his crew actually steal her copy of Unfit for Command from her dressing room so they could look up the stuff she mentioned-obvious he and his libera dirt bag other guest spend a whole segment beretnig this woman about a book they have never even read. MSNC has no credibility if they do not fire this idiot immediately.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally posted by Derek2U
YES, Finally an answer that makes sense: "Because the '00
Election." --- YES YES. And guess what, Bush is single handed
making this country 3rd rate. In almost every way. It's a shame
that all these deaths of our guys in all the wars would see this
mental medi-ogre piss it all away. But the human spirits won't
go down easy --- many of US are tough --- and we do more than
type posts. We are the urbanites --- and we join hands with our
brethern from the burbs. Have a nice day.

3rd rate? In what way may I ask?

If you mean that we don't have a socialistic health care system like Canada where you have to wait on line for weeks to see a doctor, then I guess you're right....we're third rate in that respect....only have to wait 20-30 minutes to see my doc on a bad day....

[Lefty]

When any disaster or tragedy comes along the world looks to us. If we're 3rd rate what does that make them? I would agree since the public schools are run by the libs we are 3rd rate in education or getting there fast. The govt needs to get out of education. A lot of public school teachers send their own kids to private schools.

[JustRalph]

3rd rate, but most invaded by people of every other country on the planet. They dream about living here in far away lands.......you can't say that about any place else.

Although I have dreamed about living in the land of Shania Twain and Anna Kournikova............... but that is a whole different dream!

[so.cal.fan]

This is pretty disturbing:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/graphics/swiftboat_082104.html

[ponyplayer]

That sounds like the mission where Kerry threw the grenade into the rice and his wound was embedded rice in his ass. Yeah, that should equal a purple heart.

[so.cal.fan]

My late father received a Purple Heart in 1944. He was shot between the eyes......and survived! He passed away in 1991 with bullet fragments still embedded in his BRAIN.
My dad was part of the D-Day invasion.
I don't like to believe John Kerry is a fraud, but if he is........SHAME.

[boxcar]

sq764 wrote:

Derek calling people dolts.. [/QUOTE]

Yeah...kinda like callin' the kettle black. Irony, indeed...

Boxcar

[Secretariat]

Originally posted by so.cal.fan
My late father received a Purple Heart in 1944. He was shot between the eyes......and survived! He passed away in 1991 with bullet fragments still embedded in his BRAIN.
My dad was part of the D-Day invasion.
I don't like to believe John Kerry is a fraud, but if he is........SHAME.

Your father seemed like a very brave man.

Don't be fooled by this partisan crap.

Here's what Kerry's crew say:

"If it wasn't for some of his decisions, we would probably be some of the names in that wall," said Gene Thorson, the engineman on PCF-94, referring to the Vietnam War Memorial. "I respect him very much."

"A lot of people just can't forgive and forget," countered Kerry crew member Medeiros. "He was a great commander. I would have no trouble following him anywhere."

The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, Rassmann said, "are not just questioning Kerry's account, they are questioning my account. I take that very personally. No one can tell me that we were not under fire. I saw it, I heard the splashes, and I was scared to death. For them to come back 35 years after the fact to tarnish not only Kerry's record, but my veracity, is unconscionable."
Until now, eyewitness evidence supporting Kerry's version had come only from his own crewmen. But yesterday, The Post independently contacted a participant who has not spoken out so far in favor of either camp who remembers coming under enemy fire. "There was a lot of firing going on, and it came from both sides of the river," said Wayne D. Langhofer, who manned a machine gun aboard PCF-43, the boat that was directly behind Kerry's.

Langhofer said he distinctly remembered the "clack, clack, clack" of enemy AK-47s, as well as muzzle flashes from the riverbanks. Langhofer, who now works at a Kansas gunpowder plant, said he was approached several months ago by leaders of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth but declined their requests to speak out against Kerry.

[ponyplayer]

Well lets see, Swift Boat Vets = 250+ veterans with the same story. Kerry plus a couple of probable frauds like himself...I'll believe the Swift Boat Vets thank you.

[betchatoo]

Originally posted by ponyplayer
Well lets see, Swift Boat Vets = 250+ veterans with the same story. Kerry plus a couple of probable frauds like himself...I'll believe the Swift Boat Vets thank you.

There weren't 250 veterans who were witnesses. See Tribune article posted under "the truth is out there"

[Tom]

250 SBVs are agreeing Kerry was a liar.
60 of them have signed thier names to it.
I believe the likelihood of liars amoung these vets to be in the samller, Kerry camp. PAid off? Political promises?
Who knows.
I don't accept that 60 would sign thier names to a lie.

[betchatoo]

Originally posted by Tom
250 SBVs are agreeing Kerry was a liar.
60 of them have signed thier names to it.
I believe the likelihood of liars amoung these vets to be in the samller, Kerry camp. PAid off? Political promises?
Who knows.
I don't accept that 60 would sign thier names to a lie.

Tom

I can't imagine you would accept anything that made Kerry look better. You seem to prefer to accept the words of those who either won't there or weren't within range. Every thing I've read from people who were along side Kerry, in his boat or one of the other 2 on his Silver Star mission, agree with the fact he deserved the metal.

I don't know why I bother to try to convince you of anything since I know you'd rather think the worst. I guess it's because I know you keep an open mind when it comes to handicapping, I'd love to see you do the same in politics

[ponyplayer]

Bet u buddy, To quote PA again, "The truth is out there." You guys are the ones who do not seem to want to accept it. If Kerry is the best the Dems can put out there, it is not the Republican's fault.
:D :D :D

[boxcar]

Tom wrote:

250 SBVs are agreeing Kerry was a liar.
60 of them have signed thier names to it.
I believe the likelihood of liars amoung these vets to be in the samller, Kerry camp. PAid off? Political promises?
Who knows.
I don't accept that 60 would sign thier names to a lie.

Correction, sir: 254 have signed their names to it, while 60 of them have been directly quoted in the book. Just fer the record...

Boxcar

[JustRalph]

Originally posted by boxcar
Tom wrote:

250 SBVs are agreeing Kerry was a liar.
60 of them have signed thier names to it.
I believe the likelihood of liars amoung these vets to be in the samller, Kerry camp. PAid off? Political promises?
Who knows.
I don't accept that 60 would sign thier names to a lie.

Correction, sir: 254 have signed their names to it, while 60 of them have been directly quoted in the book. Just fer the record...

Boxcar

excellent point!

[Tom]

Originally posted by betchatoo
Tom

I can't imagine you would accept anything that made Kerry look better. You seem to prefer to accept the words of those who either won't there or weren't within range. Every thing I've read from people who were along side Kerry, in his boat or one of the other 2 on his Silver Star mission, agree with the fact he deserved the metal.

I don't know why I bother to try to convince you of anything since I know you'd rather think the worst. I guess it's because I know you keep an open mind when it comes to handicapping, I'd love to see you do the same in politics

I have an open mind, and I choose to listen to the 250+ vets over the few. I also keep saying Kerry is either a war criminal or a liar...I actually believe he is just a common liar...he hasn't got the guts to have done the things he claims to have done. I don't know if you remeber Kerry in the 70's but I do and I was appaled by the crap he dished out putting down our troops. I was against the war but no the warriors. Kerry was obviously a stooge with an agenda. The only thing I ever agreed with Nixon on was his attempts to "get" Kerry. Kerry's camp is trying to prevent TV and radio from airing the SB commercials, they are trying to prevent the book from being distrubuted, they are send out attack dogs to all the talk shows, and they are trying to attach the creditbility of the vets themselves. This is the real censorship that the minority of libs on this forum claimed was happening to MM when Disney would not release his cartoon. Bush did nothing to stop MM or Moveon.org. HJe has chosen, rightfully so, to ignore it and address issues. Kerry is a slimeball and wallows in the mud. His handling of the campaign is clear evidence he is....
UNFIT FOR COMMAND!

[Tom]

Originally posted by boxcar
Tom wrote:

250 SBVs are agreeing Kerry was a liar.
60 of them have signed thier names to it.
I believe the likelihood of liars amoung these vets to be in the samller, Kerry camp. PAid off? Political promises?
Who knows.
I don't accept that 60 would sign thier names to a lie.

Correction, sir: 254 have signed their names to it, while 60 of them have been directly quoted in the book. Just fer the record...

Boxcar

I stand corrected. The truth is out there, and so is...BOXCAR!
Welcome back, Box, how've you been? Good to see the force is still with you.:D

[boxcar]

I've been fine, Tom. Haven't been around here for a while 'cause I've been a very busy camper, generally spending very little time on my 'puter.

Boxcar

[ranchwest]

Originally posted by ponyplayer
Bet u buddy, To quote PA again, "The truth is out there." You guys are the ones who do not seem to want to accept it. If Kerry is the best the Dems can put out there, it is not the Republican's fault.
:D :D :D

Too bad Kerry doesn't have Bush's exemplary military record.

Uh, oh yeah. I forgot. They lost Bush's record, didn't they? Too bad for the clerical error, eh?

Is Pat Paulsen running?

[Lefty]

Kerry is the one that brght up and dwelled on Vietnam from the git-go. He brght up Vietnam at the convention and skipped all his yrs in the Senate. Now that it has bitten him in the arse he wants to quell free speech. No class!

[ranchwest]

Originally posted by Lefty
Kerry is the one that brght up and dwelled on Vietnam from the git-go. He brght up Vietnam at the convention and skipped all his yrs in the Senate. Now that it has bitten him in the arse he wants to quell free speech. No class!

Indeed! Let's quell free speech the old fashion way! Let's lose those documents!

[Secretariat]

Originally posted by ponyplayer
Well lets see, Swift Boat Vets = 250+ veterans with the same story. Kerry plus a couple of probable frauds like himself...I'll believe the Swift Boat Vets thank you.

Yes 250 vets supported by a Bush contributor versus Kery's crewmates, and the man he pulled out of the water Rassaman, plus the commander behind Kerry.

Rasaman is right, you're not only impugnign Kerry's account of that event, you're impugining Rassaman's a Republican and all the crewman aboard that ships account, and beleiving a group of man who are upset with Kerry's actions AFTER the war, so they choose to try to revise his war record, question the severity of wounds, accuse him of having a secret plan to go to Vietnam to seek medals.

Tom ,you can have your opinion, but it flies in the face of those vets who were there, and witnessed the action up close, and it denigrates their memories of that event. I would think of all people who would know it would be Rassaman who was being shot at, and is a Republican.

It's just sickening disgusting partisan politics at the lowest, and John McCain knows how these guys operate, he was a victim of the "win at all costs" demonization in South Carolina in 2000. He asked Bush to denounce these tactics, and of course Bush pretends he is totally unaware of the ads. I don't know if this is worse, especially when members of his own campagin participated in the ads, and his Florida campiagn actively sought people to endorse the Swift boat ads, and one of the biggest Bush contributor helped was the primary funder of the ads.

You guys aren't interested in truth, or even opinion, just the lowest I have ever seen in the history of political advertising.

[Tom]

Originally posted by ranchwest
Too bad Kerry doesn't have Bush's exemplary military record.

Uh, oh yeah. I forgot. They lost Bush's record, didn't they? Too bad for the clerical error, eh?

Is Pat Paulsen running?


Bush's war records ar Commnader-n-chief for the last 3+ years are the only things relevant for his re-election. Kerry choose to ignore his 20+ years as an elected official in favor of 30 year old stuff that has backfired on him.
It is NOT his Viet Nam performance that really matters, it is how he is handling it TODAY. If he had a brain, he would take the high road, ignore the whole thing and focus on the real issue, and the CURRENT war. If he can't handle this, what will he do if/when Al Qead attacks again? Sit for 40 minutes, unable to think, like he did last time?
He made this bed, he can lie in it.

[JustRalph]

Originally posted by Secretariat
It's just sickening disgusting partisan politics at the lowest, and John McCain knows how these guys operate, he was a victim of the "win at all costs" demonization in South Carolina in 2000. He asked Bush to denounce these tactics, and of course Bush pretends he is totally unaware of the ads.

How does it feel when TERRY MCAULIFFE pulls his hand out of your ass at the end of your posts? Friggin Puppet!

[Tom]

Sec wrote:
"It's just sickening disgusting partisan politics at the lowest, and John McCain knows how these guys operate, he was a victim of the "win at all costs" demonization in South Carolina in 2000. "

You didn't mind this stuff when MM was doing it, no did you? Why is it different today?
You sound like you are accusing 250 vets of lying because a Bush supporter paid them off. Aren't YOU then one dishonoring our vets, buddy? YOU are saying they can be paid to lie. Isn' tit more likely a few are lying to protect thier freind than hundreds are lying for payola? you have a very low opinion of our veterens, I would say. That is what is sickening.

[JustRalph]

http://boortz.com/images/washington.jpg

[Steve 'StatMan']

What will John Kerry do, if elected president, when people in foreign countries rally against America, and as always, burn the U.S. president in effigy. Even Iranians in 1980 were doing that regarding Jimmy Carter! (They got their wish, too. Carter was voted out, and Reagan elected in. Be careful what you wish for, a-holes!). What will Kerry do? Will he handle the pressure? Will he have their villages burned like in 'Nam? (Of course not. No one accuses a President of acting on a grudge, right?)

Will he be able to handle not everyone will like him here as president, either at home, or abroad? If he doesn't do everything that George Seros wants, or Michael Moore wants, will he be able to take their criticism when it comes? Why is John Kerry due more privelege vs those who have their own truth, vs those who opposed Pres. Bush and presented their 'Own Truth'. They did advertise F-911 constantly, did they not?

None of this, the last many months, is nice, or honorable. But one fact should seem obvious:

John Kerry and is campaign are HIPOCRITES!

[Steve 'StatMan']

Fine. Pull the ad off the TV regarding Kerry's service. Replace it with ads for the book, with video of people saying, "Wow, I didn't know all this took place. You should really read this book. It will tell you a lot about John Kerry". Just like F-911.

[kenwoodallpromos]

Bush did notm know the names of some long named leaders; Kerry did not know what country he was in while free firing.

[schweitz]

Originally posted by Secretariat


It's just sickening disgusting partisan politics at the lowest, and John McCain knows how these guys operate, he was a victim of the "win at all costs" demonization in South Carolina in 2000. He asked Bush to denounce these tactics, and of course Bush pretends he is totally unaware of the ads. I don't know if this is worse, especially when members of his own campagin participated in the ads, and his Florida campiagn actively sought people to endorse the Swift boat ads, and one of the biggest Bush contributor helped was the primary funder of the ads.

You guys aren't interested in truth, or even opinion, just the lowest I have ever seen in the history of political advertising.

Sec,

I have come to the opinion that you either work for the Kerry campaign or the Democratic Party.

About 70 million has been spent through Democratic 527's smearing Bush for months and you and Kerry have no problem with that----but let a Republican 527 that has spent about $800,000 come along and you guys go crazy.

Who is acting like they have the truth on their side? You have O'Neil out there talking to anybody who will talk to him and sticking to what he has written and daring Kerry to sue him for libel. Then you have Kerry attacking O'Neil, Bush, the Swift Boat Vets, the Republican 527 donors, and changing his stories. Kerry has filed a protest with the FEC and wants to take the book's publisher to court.
Kerry has the power to put this to rest---why is he not doing so? Could it be that the truth will not be kind to him?

[Tom]

Now we know why Kerry picked an ambulance chaser for his vice president. Bush is looking sooooo good these days. If you can't get respect, sue for it.

[kenwoodallpromos]

Bush ran a ball team. We got T-ball at the Whitehouse.
Kerry and Edwards are lawyers. Expect lawsuits to get more liberal agenda.
When you hire lawyers, you get lawsuits; when yoiu hire Roseann to sing the Natl Anthem, you do not get operatic singing.
Who do you want as Pres: a people's cheerleader or a guy who rewrites history every 2 minutes?