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Afleet
12-17-2017, 02:20 PM
1 Mile 70 Yards | Open | 2 Year Olds | ALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING : $50,000 | PURSE: $43,000
# HORSE JOCKEY
Weight
TRAINER WIN $ PLACE $ SHOW $
3 Principe Guilherme F. Geroux
119Lbs
S. Asmussen 2.80 2.40 2.10

I'm sure some of you saw this tour de force yesterday. Same connections as Gun Runner, same rider, and same late lead change in deep stretch.

Like Yogi said "its like Deja Vu all over again"

BrentT
12-17-2017, 09:02 PM
Yes, I was at FG Friday and Saturday and saw this horse run, he wasnt even blowing when he came back. He's the real deal. I wish there was a spot to bet derby futures right now before he wins a stakes, I'd sure bet a chunk on him at the generous price he's probably sitting at.

Secondbest
12-17-2017, 09:10 PM
Yes, I was at FG Friday and Saturday and saw this horse run, he wasnt even blowing when he came back. He's the real deal. I wish there was a spot to bet derby futures right now before he wins a stakes, I'd sure bet a chunk on him at the generous price he's probably sitting at.

It's a long way from the Fairgrounds in December to Churchill Downs in May.

Afleet
12-17-2017, 10:16 PM
Yes, I was at FG Friday and Saturday and saw this horse run, he wasnt even blowing when he came back. He's the real deal. I wish there was a spot to bet derby futures right now before he wins a stakes, I'd sure bet a chunk on him at the generous price he's probably sitting at.

I read he is being pointed for the Lecomte. I believe no horse that has won the Lecomte has won the Derby,

dilanesp
12-17-2017, 10:26 PM
I was in Las Vegas last week and bet him at the Wynn's future book. :)

Secondbest
12-17-2017, 11:12 PM
I was in Las Vegas last week and bet him at the Wynn's future book. :)

Good Luck

Fred Mertz
12-17-2017, 11:21 PM
My buddy bet him on the future wager, mainly because of Asmussen.

He has a funny name and I looked it up. Prince William in Portuguese. I don't know the rationale or reason.

Fager Fan
12-18-2017, 01:01 AM
My buddy bet him on the future wager, mainly because of Asmussen.

He has a funny name and I looked it up. Prince William in Portuguese. I don't know the rationale or reason.

I did the same thing. Nothing against William, but the translation didn't help me like the name any better.

BrentT
12-19-2017, 02:36 AM
I was in Las Vegas last week and bet him at the Wynn's future book. :)


What were the odds

BrentT
12-19-2017, 02:38 AM
I read he is being pointed for the Lecomte. I believe no horse that has won the Lecomte has won the Derby,

Thereís always the first time for everything, just like a maiden won the BC Juvy this year. Canít rule anyone out in horse racing. Itís all about value

Fager Fan
12-19-2017, 08:20 AM
Thereís always the first time for everything, just like a maiden won the BC Juvy this year. Canít rule anyone out in horse racing. Itís all about value

Slight change. It's all about the horse. It makes zero sense to rule out a horse because of stats regarding preps.

davew
12-19-2017, 09:39 AM
I read he is being pointed for the Lecomte. I believe no horse that has won the Lecomte has won the Derby,


What if he runs the Risen Star a month later?

Is still going to need over 20 pts to get in Derby - will only get 10 if wins the Lecomte and has none now.

Bennie
12-19-2017, 06:10 PM
I know he closed at 27-1 in the first futures pool and I had him 3rd best from pool #1 behind Bolt D'Oro and Montauk but ahead of Avery Island, Solomini and Good Magic. I only used Bolt and Montauk in exacta boxes with the field but did use Tapit, Street Sense and Medaglia D"oro in the sires boxed. Sad news Tapit closed at 8-1 as opposed to 27-1 for Principe. Was a little leery due to his front running style first out. Excited to see where he does show up next time.

dilanesp
12-19-2017, 06:35 PM
What were the odds

45 to 1

Spalding No!
12-19-2017, 08:58 PM
I'm sure some of you saw this tour de force yesterday. Same connections as Gun Runner, same rider, and same late lead change in deep stretch.

Like Yogi said "its like Deja Vu all over again"

The first time Gun Runner won a race wire-to-wire was in the Matt Winn after the Kentucky Derby. He only adopted a front-running style after the BC last year in the Clark.

Principe Guilherme to this point is more reminiscent of Bayern, who likewise dueled his way to a clear debut win going 7f followed by an easy two-turn romp the length of the stretch in a next out allowance race.

PG has the advantage of a 2-month head start on Bayern, having debuted in November (rather than January), so he won't have to be rushed into the Derby trail.

BrentT
12-20-2017, 12:20 AM
45 to 1

Thatís avail right now at The Wynn?
I will absolutely fly there to bet that for like a dime.

SG4
12-20-2017, 12:33 AM
Thatís avail right now at The Wynn?
I will absolutely fly there to bet that for like a dime.

Wynn won't take on more than 20k in liability on a bet before dropping the odds big time, not much value to be had for large bets, in case you actually were entertaining visions of flying out there.

dilanesp
12-20-2017, 01:45 AM
Thatís avail right now at The Wynn?
I will absolutely fly there to bet that for like a dime.

I suspect his odds went down after the two turn allowance start.

davew
12-20-2017, 10:20 AM
I suspect his odds went down after the two turn allowance start.

I checked my offshore and they have him at 15/1 now (I suspect they copy/base off Vegas odds)

The pool 1 had him close at 27/1 (11/26/17)

Equifan
12-20-2017, 11:31 AM
His ped is heavier in the 2nd and 3rd groups, rather than the 1st.
I suspect both his mdn (@$7.50/1) and the Alw W-W style were a product of how much he outclassed these particular fields. No doubt he is a talented hoss!

I reckon we'll see another effort at FGX and then on to Oaklawn.