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cj
12-08-2017, 04:13 PM
https://www.paulickreport.com/news/the-biz/pennsylvania-trainer-suspended-45-days-failure-provide-care-horse-broken-leg/#.WinDdpc51Kc.twitter

Penn has had a lot of issues lately involving horses being treated poorly lately. I can't wager at dime at this place.

Inner Dirt
12-08-2017, 04:21 PM
Totally disgusting, that trainer needs a lifetime ban, reimbursement to the rescue place for $12,000, and after Silent Ruler recovers he should get to drag him for 1 1/16 miles.

AltonKelsey
12-08-2017, 04:23 PM
What can you say.

Officials need to be compelled to explain the light fine and relatively short suspension.

Else, fire them all, and hire people willing to do the right thing.

thaskalos
12-08-2017, 05:35 PM
And God only knows how many of these cases go unreported all over the country. These poor horses go through so much suffering...just so we could "play a game".

lamboguy
12-08-2017, 06:05 PM
whoever gave out that light sentence needs to go as well. not only is the horse endangered but what about the human that gets on his back?

and what about the bettor that is sitting at home 3000 miles away that has no idea the horse is traveling with a broken leg?

Tom
12-08-2017, 06:06 PM
Racing needs to to be federally regulated.
Sounds preposterous, but we just cannot trust those who run the game now to do the right things for the horse of the bettors. This guy should be in prison, not on suspension.

If that kills the game, so be it.

All tracks should be federally certified, similar to the ISO standards.
Fail your audit, close your doors.

cj
12-08-2017, 06:24 PM
Summary of the recent Penn debacles.

https://twitter.com/brooklyncowboy1/status/938941971216859136

JustRalph
12-08-2017, 06:54 PM
Who the hell is betting that place? If you are, STOP!

You are putting money in these idiots pocket........

This sport needs a crew of enforcers.......

Tom
12-08-2017, 07:07 PM
PETA should be in their parking lot shutting them down.

Ruffian1
12-08-2017, 08:22 PM
Penn. National needs to be put down after something like this.

Nobody in racing can do this except for one group. YOU !!

The customers.

Damn veins popping out of the poor horses leg. This guy needs f'in jail !

This , along with the pics of the fire from California and the story of Mrs. Bellocq, who galloped horses for me when her husband ran my shed when I first started in 1976 are about it.

I can't deal this this crap any more.

I need a break.

cj
12-08-2017, 08:39 PM
Penn. National needs to be put down after something like this.

Nobody in racing can do this except for one group. YOU !!

The customers.

Damn veins popping out of the poor horses leg. This guy needs f'in jail !

This , along with the pics of the fire from California and the story of Mrs. Bellocq, who galloped horses for me when her husband ran my shed when I first started in 1976 are about it.

I can't deal this this crap any more.

I need a break.

The problem with a place like Penn is they DON'T WANT horse racing, so they don't care an might even relish the bad publicity. They'd be more than happy to become a casino only company. They certainly don't care if anyone is betting.

Tom
12-08-2017, 09:17 PM
This is why ALL tracks should be banned from ever getting any casino money.
Period.

If you can't make in racing, then shut down and make for those who can.
Penn should be closed AND it's casino shuttered as part of the business.

lamboguy
12-08-2017, 09:47 PM
The problem with a place like Penn is they DON'T WANT horse racing, so they don't care an might even relish the bad publicity. They'd be more than happy to become a casino only company. They certainly don't care if anyone is betting.
originally to get the casino license, race track operator's sold the state a bill of goods that they will offer a good racing product that will benefit state breeding programs. instead, they went the other way by letting the standards go down hill and hope that they can get rid of racing all together. when you look at these race tracks like Charlestown, Penn National, Calder Race course, they are all abominable. those places actually scare the customers away from them.

clicknow
12-08-2017, 10:57 PM
How many times have the Feds been to Penn Nat over the last 6-8 years for something or other? I've lost count. :confused:

A cesspool that is an embarassment to racing and racing fans.

elhelmete
12-08-2017, 11:33 PM
How is this not a lifetime ban?

Frost king
12-08-2017, 11:46 PM
I agree, that not getting the horse any help was wrong, but most trainers would have just put the horse down, instead of letting it survive in that condition. At least the trainer reached out to try to get help for animal. In around about way, he cared for the horse, because he didnít want to put it down, but at the same time, probably didnít have the money to save the horse with proper care.

Prioress Ply
12-09-2017, 01:33 AM
Interesting not a word from Pace Advantage.

What problem?

jay68802
12-09-2017, 01:37 AM
Pennsylvania Racing:

1. Unable to control drugs
2. Can't accurately report workouts
3. Allow a horse that tested positive for drugs to still get credit for a win
4. Can't get a photo finish right
5. Want casino money and a high takeout
6. Now this

WAKE UP!

Do you really think that ANYONE that cares about this sport, thinks this is the way the industry as a whole, wants to be seen?

A $500.00 dollar fine? I'm a gambler in this business. I gave half of that dollar amount to help the people in California. Make this as@Ho#& pay for this poor animal, and get him OUT of this business.

The reason this has happened is simple, money, greed, and that attitude is what is killing this sport.

I will never again give you my money. I hope I am not the only one.

You have set a new, low standard for this sport.

Congratulations.

elhelmete
12-09-2017, 10:44 AM
I agree, that not getting the horse any help was wrong, but most trainers would have just put the horse down, instead of letting it survive in that condition. At least the trainer reached out to try to get help for animal. In around about way, he cared for the horse, because he didnít want to put it down, but at the same time, probably didnít have the money to save the horse with proper care.

There's not a single damn person on the backstretches I know that wouldn't have quietly and willingly taken this horse from him to give it proper care.

Ruffian1
12-09-2017, 12:01 PM
There's not a single damn person on the backstretches I know that wouldn't have quietly and willingly taken this horse from him to give it proper care.

Absolutely!!

Thank you for posting that.

Ruffian1
12-09-2017, 12:28 PM
Wanted to add that the picture shows a typical thin standing bandage on the good leg.
What the horse needs is a much thicker support bandage wrapped with an ace bandage on the good leg to prevent the horse from foundering in his left front from too much weight.

Any trainer knows that.

Good lord what a pos this guy is.

clicknow
12-09-2017, 12:32 PM
probably didnít have the money to save the horse with proper care.

Then close your business, or get a 2nd part time job cleaning toilets, whatever you have to do.

Live animals are a whole different business than widgets.

Saratoga_Mike
12-09-2017, 04:44 PM
Interesting not a word from Pace Advantage.

What problem?

Maybe he hasn't been online since this topic was posted? His last post was early yesterday afternoon urging posters to make donations to help the horses impacted by the California fires. I disagree with him all the time (see off-topic), but your post is totally unfair.

rispa
12-10-2017, 02:33 PM
It is no wonder why racing suffers from an image problem. Lowering takeout will surely not correct that.

PaceAdvantage
12-10-2017, 05:25 PM
Interesting not a word from Pace Advantage.

What problem?:lol:

PaceAdvantage
12-10-2017, 05:29 PM
Maybe he hasn't been online since this topic was posted? His last post was early yesterday afternoon urging posters to make donations to help the horses impacted by the California fires. I disagree with him all the time (see off-topic), but your post is totally unfair.Thanks Mike. Sometimes, I don't get on every day...sometimes I get on just to read stuff but don't even log in so I don't bother replying.

Sometimes, a topic (like this one), is just so self-explanatory, nothing else needs to be said.

What should I do? Join the chorus of people who have said the same thing already? Why?

To make PP feel better about me? :lol:

I predict an epic flameout post about me from PP one day...it's so predictable.

And people sometimes question me as to why I just don't immediately kick the obvious trolls and retreads. It's not because I don't recognize them for exactly what they are. Even I can learn a thing or two after almost two decades of doing this...

No, I don't kick them because I actually ENJOY their inevitable epic flameout posts, which they think will "get me." I'm weird like that.

proximity
12-11-2017, 02:54 AM
as a central Pennsylvania resident and horseplayer I am (once again) deeply troubled by the actions (or lack thereof) of our stewards, commission, and racetrack.

the most disturbing thing to me however is that Mario rodriguez..... the one horseman who far more often than not greeted mere gamblers like myself with a friendly wave and a smile..... was named as the guilty party here. bud (?) the man who helped in the stable was always polite as well. idk? :confused:

chadk66
12-11-2017, 08:57 PM
Just to state something positive in light of the horror of this. Papp's husband Monti Sims is a buddy of mine. We became friends when he was training in MN back in the 80's. I sent a nice filly of mine, a home bred of ours, with him to Laurel and Pimlico one winter. This is one hell of a good trainer. Nobody takes better care of animals of any kind. Just a great guy.

AstrosFan
12-30-2017, 10:46 PM
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/225322/in-neglect-case-pennsylvania-revokes-trainers-license

lamboguy
12-31-2017, 06:32 AM
we keep on blaming the state, but that is the wrong people to blame. all they do is collect paychecks and taxes and are completely useless. i blame the horsemen for this one. they know this guy abuses animals, they should all just refuse to race horses when he enters. then the guy is out of business and you don't need to suspend him. but no, the horsemen are now 2 different types, the haves and the have nots. the haves want the have nots to keep entering horses into the races that they scoop up all the purse money while the have nots get the crumbs if any are left over.

the game is a total bore these days.

thespaah
12-31-2017, 05:36 PM
Who the hell is betting that place? If you are, STOP!

You are putting money in these idiots pocket........

This sport needs a crew of enforcers.......

Ahh. In theory, GREAT idea.
Unfortunately, the Casino is the main funding vehicle of the facility.
I was on my way south on I-81. I decided to stop for a bite to eat. So just for giggles. I drive up PA 743 for a half mile just to look at how full or empty the parking lot.
This was on a Thursday afternoon. There were more cars than I thought there would be. Maybe half full parking lot. .

Irishfever
01-02-2018, 01:19 PM
Upon investigation, the commission found this guy had 1 water bucket for 11 horses,no feed, very little hay and bedding.

Three other horses were dead lame. Two other horses died, one went septic.

This guy should never take custody of another animal again.

onefast99
01-02-2018, 01:50 PM
Ahh. In theory, GREAT idea.
Unfortunately, the Casino is the main funding vehicle of the facility.
I was on my way south on I-81. I decided to stop for a bite to eat. So just for giggles. I drive up PA 743 for a half mile just to look at how full or empty the parking lot.
This was on a Thursday afternoon. There were more cars than I thought there would be. Maybe half full parking lot. .The casino is always packed the racing dining area has a lot of open tables, be careful what you order there the hamburger is a best bet, everything else eater beware!