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FantasticDan
12-06-2017, 12:53 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42250399

In recognising Jerusalem as Israel's capital, the US would be reversing its own longstanding policy that the status of the holy city would need to be resolved as part of Middle East peace talks.

Okay. So what's the reason for this?

The decision - which would fulfil a campaign promise and appeal to Mr Trump's right-wing base..

Ah, gotcha. :ThmbUp:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/06/world/europe/trump-jerusalem-pope.html

You know you're on the right track when even the Pope is pissed :blush:

boxcar
12-06-2017, 01:05 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42250399



Okay. So what's the reason for this?



Ah, gotcha. :ThmbUp:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/06/world/europe/trump-jerusalem-pope.html

You know you're on the right track when even the Pope is pissed :blush:

Not when this leftist pope's batting average on virtually everything in life is 0.000001. :coffee:

Clocker
12-06-2017, 01:30 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42250399

Okay. So what's the reason for this?



Congress voted overwhelmingly in 1995 to recognize Israel's position that Jerusalem is the capital. That bill also directed the US to move the embassy there.

The bill allowed a president to issue a 6-month delay in compliance, with no limit on the number of times it could be delayed. Every president from Clinton to Obama has regularly issued a delay order every 6 month. Trump is now allowing the law passed by Congress and signed by Clinton to go into effect.

You know you're on the right track when even the Pope is pissed :blush:So the Pope knows better than the Israelis how the Israelis should run their country?

The decision - which would fulfil a campaign promise and appeal to Mr Trump's right-wing base..The decision would also fulfill a campaign promise of the DNC and appeal to the left-wing base:

The past four official Democratic Party platforms have recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

The 2016 party platform read, "While Jerusalem is a matter for final status negotiations, it should remain the capital of Israel, an undivided city accessible to people of all faiths. Israelis deserve security, recognition, and a normal life free from terror and incitement."
http://freebeacon.com/politics/last-four-democratic-party-platforms-called-jerusalem-capital-israel/

FantasticDan
12-06-2017, 01:38 PM
So the Pope knows better than the Israelis how the Israelis should run their country?

:D Maybe the Pope is a little more thoughtful on the topic than you are..

wisconsin
12-06-2017, 01:58 PM
Hey Dan...

Your boy Obama campaigned that he would make it happen. So Did Bush and your other boy, Clinton, but none of them had the balls to actually do it.

OntheRail
12-06-2017, 02:10 PM
:D Maybe the Pope is a little more thoughtful on the topic than you are..

Just like he's opposed to Our Wall... but has a Big Beautiful one around Vatican City with Guards at the gates so he can control access... :coffee:

elysiantraveller
12-06-2017, 02:17 PM
...

Agreed.

This just shows the Peace Talks aren't high priority ATM.

Clocker
12-06-2017, 02:33 PM
Agreed.

This just shows the Peace Talks aren't high priority ATM.

It also appears to scrap any progress made by Boy Wonder Jared Kushner in "mediating" those talks. :rolleyes:

So, was Trump serious about the talks? Was he serious about what he thought Kushner could do, or was he just giving the kid some on the job experience?

FantasticDan
12-06-2017, 03:02 PM
How long was Trump's speech, 10 minutes? He starts out speaking clearly and normally, and by the end it's like his dentures have totally come loose.

Is it anxiety?

http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/06/donald-trumps-jerusalem-speech-got-weird-slurred-toward-end-7138575/

OntheRail
12-06-2017, 04:27 PM
Agreed.

This just shows the Peace Talks aren't high priority ATM.

Or it's a chip tossed on the table... one that no one has used before. :popcorn:

Tom
12-06-2017, 04:30 PM
:D Maybe the Pope is a little more thoughtful on the topic than you are..

You just like the Pope because, like most democrats, HE hides child predators.
WE, unlike the Pope, are essential to the survival of Israel - rightfully so.
Maybe this Pope thinks too much and does too little.

Tom
12-06-2017, 04:32 PM
How long was Trump's speech, 10 minutes? He starts out speaking clearly and normally, and by the end it's like his dentures have totally come loose.

Is it anxiety?

http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/06/donald-trumps-jerusalem-speech-got-weird-slurred-toward-end-7138575/

I would suggest maybe it is your attention span.

elysiantraveller
12-06-2017, 05:48 PM
Or it's a chip tossed on the table... one that no one has used before. :popcorn:

I don't think so.

It just shows the Administration doesn't put a priority on it. You wouldn't do this if you were seriously trying to reach some sort of deal. Not saying its good or bad just that this isn't going to be a focus of the Administration in the foreseeable future.

Its just a move which will appeal to some and that's fine.

FantasticDan
12-06-2017, 06:28 PM
I would suggest maybe it is your attention span.Yeah, that makes sense. Articles are being written about how he steadily lost the ability to speak because of my attention span.

Or maybe it was the mold growing in your slippers. :rolleyes: :blush:

_______
12-06-2017, 06:36 PM
You just like the Pope because, like most democrats, HE hides child predators.
WE, unlike the Pope, are essential to the survival of Israel - rightfully so.
Maybe this Pope thinks too much and does too little.

Roy Moore much?

porchy44
12-06-2017, 06:37 PM
So the pope is a bad guy because he wants to keep PEACE between two sides.

boxcar
12-06-2017, 06:38 PM
Roy Moore much?

Believe in hard proof much?

chadk66
12-06-2017, 06:38 PM
wonder what the reason was for it when Obama was going to do it.

_______
12-06-2017, 06:43 PM
Believe in hard proof much?

Youíre right. Iím sure all those Jezebelís are lying and the guy whoís incapable of telling Sean Hannity that he didnít date teenagers in his 30ís is totally clean.

The way youíd like it to be.

Thanks for making my point.

fast4522
12-06-2017, 06:47 PM
wonder what the reason was for it when Obama was going to do it.

To Israel Obama was nothing more than a backstabbing fool. President Donald J. Trump has repaired our relationship with Israel, and is keeping a promise. The pope is but a man, this one is more of an activist than anything else.

Tom
12-06-2017, 06:48 PM
You had a point?

MONEY
12-06-2017, 06:51 PM
So the pope is a bad guy because he wants to keep PEACE between two sides.
Peace?:lol:

Twenty five months of terror Ė 13 September 2015 to the present

In 2016, 12 vehicular ramming attacks and 100 stabbing attacks were thwarted by security forces.

Since 13 September 2015, 59 people have been killed in terrorist attacks and 827 people (including uninvolved Palestinians) injured.

There have been 186 stabbing attacks and 132 attempted stabbings; 163 shootings; 60 vehicular (ramming) attacks; and one vehicular (bus) bombing.

http://mfa.gov.il/MFA/ForeignPolicy/Terrorism/Palestinian/Pages/Wave-of-terror-October-2015.aspx

Since Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip in 2005, terrorists have fired more than 11,000 rockets into Israel. Over 5 million Israelis are currently living under threat of rocket attacks. More than half a million Israelis have less than 60 seconds to find shelter after a rocket is launched from Gaza into Israel.

https://www.idfblog.com/facts-figures/rocket-attacks-toward-israel/

_______
12-06-2017, 06:52 PM
You had a point?

Child Molestor (R)
Not a Child Molestor (D)

Iíd ask you to pick one but youíve already told us.

My point was you live in a glass house.

Clocker
12-06-2017, 06:59 PM
Well, we all got it wrong. But thankfully Chris Matthews and MSNBC are on duty to clear it all up.

Matthews explains that Trump did it to get Roy Moore elected.

ď...the Christian evangelicals down there with their crazy ideas about Israel, which is, I donít know, mythical,Ē Matthews stated.

"They donít understand the situation over there and how tricky it is ethnically, how tricky it is tribally. They donít care because itís a religious belief. Trumpís playing to that this week. You watch him,Ē he continued.https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2017/12/06/chris-matthews-explains-amazing-secret-reason-president-trumps-jerusalem-announcement/

Clocker
12-06-2017, 07:04 PM
Peace?:lol:

Twenty five months of terror Ė 13 September 2015 to the present

And 30 years of "peace talks" with the Palestinians never making any concessions, and never conceding the right of Israel to exist there.

zico20
12-06-2017, 07:19 PM
So the pope is a bad guy because he wants to keep PEACE between two sides.

No, he is a fool to think peace can ever happen.

porchy44
12-06-2017, 08:34 PM
No, he is a fool to think peace can ever happen.

True if you don't believe in our national motto and country's foundation "In god we trust". We fool ourselves if we think we can manage by politics or war. God blessed America.

Tom
12-06-2017, 09:35 PM
Child Molestor (R)
Not a Child Molestor (D)

I’d ask you to pick one but you’ve already told us.

My point was you live in a glass house.

The Pope is a democrat, huh?
You call that a point?
Try to follow along.
We will go slower.

_______
12-06-2017, 09:37 PM
The Pope is a democrat, huh?
You call that a point?
Tryo to follow along.
We will go slower.

Roy Moore much?

MutuelClerk
12-06-2017, 09:44 PM
Why does anyone care what the U.S. thinks anyway? Religion? Ugh. It's killing as many people as it saves.

Tom
12-06-2017, 09:58 PM
Roy Moore much?

Sloooower, guys, he still has no___________ clue.

fast4522
12-06-2017, 10:43 PM
Why does anyone care what the U.S. thinks anyway? Religion? Ugh. It's killing as many people as it saves.

Our possibility's expand when we do not care what others think, foreign policy was a complete joke the last 10 + years.

woodtoo
12-07-2017, 12:11 AM
Its great now you have a carrot to negotiate with.

elysiantraveller
12-07-2017, 12:19 AM
Its great now you have a carrot to negotiate with.

You already had the carrot.

Now you don't. To use it as a negotiating tool now would be a flip flop on Israeli policy. You can't say one thing and call take backsies.

Fager Fan
12-07-2017, 09:58 AM
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/29/jared-kushner-saudi-arabia-244291

Common sense tells us that it's not coincidence that Trump makes this announcement on the heels of this envoy which is working on the issue.

Not recognizing Jerusalem all these years hasn't worked. Giving massive financial support to the Palestinians hasn't worked. Obama being openly hostile to Israel hasn't worked.

So maybe we should recognize that maybe this is a good move. We can't continue to always make moves out of fear but sometimes have to make bold moves to advance the agenda.

boxcar
12-07-2017, 12:28 PM
Youíre right. Iím sure all those Jezebelís are lying and the guy whoís incapable of telling Sean Hannity that he didnít date teenagers in his 30ís is totally clean.

The way youíd like it to be.

Thanks for making my point.

Actually, you made mine with your bar for hard proof being so low its buried underground where no one can see it. :coffee: But that's way you liberals are wired, isn't it? The seriousness of the charge alone determines one guilt? :rolleyes:

boxcar
12-07-2017, 12:29 PM
Sloooower, guys, he still has no___________ clue.

If we went any slower, we'd be going in reverse.

Clocker
12-07-2017, 03:56 PM
...

https://i2.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2017/12/mrz120717-color-jpg-1-7-mb_orig.jpg?resize=580%2C421

woodtoo
12-07-2017, 04:26 PM
A thousand words.