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LemonSoupKid
11-02-2017, 11:48 AM
Does it have to do with entertainment, insight, or results?

Best of luck at Breeder's Cup 2017 this weekend, gentlemen.

thaskalos
11-02-2017, 12:41 PM
I can't pick just one...but I'd love to share a table and talk horses with Cj, PA-Mike, Tom, Dahoss and ReplayRandall. Of course...I would have to sit between Tom and Dahoss, so I could separate them to avoid any unpleasantries. :)

MONEY
11-02-2017, 04:42 PM
The only handicappers picks that I look at, are right here on PaceAdvantage.

I like everybody win or lose that takes the time to post results for their picks.
When I have time I compare the picks and results with mine.

As for the members that don't post results, I don't waste a click on them.

ultracapper
11-02-2017, 04:45 PM
Me

Tom
11-02-2017, 05:20 PM
I would have to sit between Tom and Dahoss, so I could separate them to avoid any unpleasantries.

Gee Gus, what could go wrong?

Robert Fischer
11-02-2017, 06:16 PM
public = I have to go with Serling. Does the work consistently. Knows the game.
Beyer is still great, even in a less active role. Legend who isn't afraid to toss a favorite in a big race.

board = Mike (PA) is the boss. CJ is a pro. I like theory from Magister Ludi.
Most active members here are great to talk racing with.

proximity
11-02-2017, 06:43 PM
ronsmac is knowledgeable, focused, and diligent. just an excellent horseplayer. i text him every week and also run an occasional horse by tonyk@hsh a local expert who has the brains and experience to profitably apply inside knowledge.

read paceadvantage almost everyday though and don't have anyone on ignore. :)

Redboard
11-02-2017, 09:15 PM
Mike Watchmaker.

CincyHorseplayer
11-02-2017, 09:24 PM
I pretty much like talking about races with anybody on here. Some of those I despise at first end up having the biggest influence on me! Funny how that works!:cool:

Afleet
11-02-2017, 11:57 PM
Me

you

Afleet
11-02-2017, 11:58 PM
Mike Watchmaker.

thanks for the laugh

I appreciates Mikes effort though

ultracapper
11-03-2017, 02:17 AM
you

Thanks for the laugh.

I do try though.

Afleet
11-03-2017, 01:44 PM
Thanks for the laugh.

I do try though.

Good luck to you. I'm having a lot of problems w/the card this year-maybe information overload! I like Champagne room and no one else does. Hopefully me and the jockey are the only ones betting her!

timtam
11-05-2017, 01:39 AM
Kurt Hoover for the Ca circuit

dansan
11-05-2017, 10:11 AM
David Schwartz

Bennie
11-05-2017, 11:20 AM
Maggie Wolfendale when she is done in the paddock area and gives her commentary on the physical and mental appearances on the horses.

Inner Dirt
11-05-2017, 12:31 PM
Mine was always Andrew Beyer. I thought I finally had come of age as a handicapper when I was watching Andrew Beyer and Jeff Siegel handicap one of the first Breeder's Cups it was either 1986 or 87. My top pick in every race was the same as Andy's and I agreed with pretty much everything he said when ripping into Jeff's picks. Siegel ended up doing pretty good I think Beyer and I ended up with one short priced winner.

horseplayer
11-06-2017, 12:41 AM
I can't pick just one...but I'd love to share a table and talk horses with Cj, PA-Mike, Tom, Dahoss and ReplayRandall. Of course...I would have to sit between Tom and Dahoss, so I could separate them to avoid any unpleasantries. :)

Meeting with remarkable handicappers eh?

Zaf
11-06-2017, 01:24 AM
Me

Correct answer :headbanger:

Z

fiveouttasix
11-06-2017, 09:31 AM
I look at 3 after handicapping NYRA...Serling, Aragona and Brooklyn Cowboy (I will usually pick up something I missed)

AstrosFan
11-06-2017, 11:08 PM
Maggie Wolfendale when she is done in the paddock area and gives her commentary on the physical and mental appearances on the horses.

She is overrated and how she kept a job and Blewitt didnít is b/s

Aerocraft67
11-08-2017, 02:42 PM
Mike Beer. I could watch that guy talk about races all day, and his prose reflects that, too. All that and he calls out his share of prices.

There's maybe one one guy on the DRF video team I could do without (the dude that looks like he's Skyping in from his bedroom at his parents' houseóand that's largely why); they're all good. Dan Illman anchors them well and Matt Bernier injects some youth into the team. In terms of raw picks, though, Kenny Peck's are the ones that get my attention.

I enjoyed Serling and Gaudet at Saratoga this year, although I'm biased because Laurel is my home track, and I always consider Gaudet's analysis there. I was impressed how she upped her game to Talking Horses, not that it was all that new to her. I appreciate Wolfendale's physical handicapping an awful lot but don't know that it's done me much good at the windows.

I wasn't impressed with the rest of the on-air talent at Saratoga beyond Talking Horses, but those guys are broadcasters more than handicappers. Similarly, I could do without most of the NBC crew. Pincay is good, and the two guys at the desk with him aren't bad. Olczyk is O.K., I used to watch a lot of hockey.

I use TFUS PPs, and find Aragona to be a sharp analyst, both in prose and on camera. And of course I like to hear Milkowski's take on a race using his TFUS figs.

LemonSoupKid
11-08-2017, 02:57 PM
^ Funny you mention him. I had him in mind (for myself) when I made the thread. I currently find him to be the best handicapper I have come across, especially for someone who puts himself out there literally all the time. I also have a similar style, but it's his job so he just flat out watches and knows more than I do regarding races and tracks around the US and globe. He got smoked at the BC this year but I had Forever Unbridled and so did he; I didn't follow him on the Classic pick of Gun Runner so he did OK in that he picked the most prestigious races of each day. I love Ilman as a host but if anything I would use his picks as tosses, not even trying to be funny about that, very serious.

If you look at other handicapping threads where I've made fun of people, you'll see Watchmaker and Kinchen (that's who you are referring to JK's corner) are super chalky and super duper basic on multirace wagers. Kinchen is superior, no doubt, but when dealing with Watchmaker that's like saying you're just a taller midget.

jahura2
11-08-2017, 03:23 PM
:Does it have to do with entertainment, insight, or results?

Best of luck at Breeder's Cup 2017 this weekend, gentlemen.


Aragona, Beer,Gabby and Caton Bredar

Denny
11-08-2017, 05:30 PM
Mine is John Pricci of HorseRaceInsider.com

Has a positive ROI on nearly 10 years of posted Feature Race Analysis win bets.

Buckeye
11-11-2017, 05:26 PM
I would have to "sit'" between me myself and I.

Buckeye
11-11-2017, 05:31 PM
Don't believe me? Look at the crap posted by Mike Pizzola on the Breeders Cup.
He got close on one race (by mistake?) but hear me out, your opinion counts and you better have one.

olddaddy
11-11-2017, 09:34 PM
A person who knows, is liked and is able to talk to the owners, trainers, jockeys and backstretch people of the circuit I am playing. I havent met that person yet.

hogoffate
11-11-2017, 09:55 PM
I like few of them. I like to listen to Andy Serling on who he doesn't like and why as he factors in probable odds. I like Dave Litfin because of his logical analysis and trainer pattern history. Mike Beer and David Aragona are very good also.

As for Oaklawn Park, I like to read Rick Lee's analysis as he knows the trainers in the region and their patterns.

Afleet
11-12-2017, 12:50 AM
I like few of them. I like to listen to Andy Serling on who he doesn't like and why as he factors in probable odds. I like Dave Litfin because of his logical analysis and trainer pattern history. Mike Beer and David Aragona are very good also.

As for Oaklawn Park, I like to read Rick Lee's analysis as he knows the trainers in the region and their patterns.

Where do you get Rick Lee's analysis? thanks

lamboguy
11-12-2017, 12:51 PM
i am surprised that there hasn't been a mention of Mark "the Mountainman" Paterson. the man absolutely knows his stuff around West Virginia and Ohio racing. he does not rely on pace or sheet numbers completely in his analysis. he understands when real good numbers on a horse don't mean that much sometimes. his show is a nuts and bolts show without a high cost production, but there is plenty to be gained by listening to him even if you don't agree with his picks. lately, he has been hot as a firecracker and is probably due to cool down!

LemonSoupKid
11-13-2017, 09:19 PM
Don't believe me? Look at the crap posted by Mike Pizzola on the Breeders Cup.
He got close on one race (by mistake?) but hear me out, your opinion counts and you better have one.

Is this another guy that people look to in order to "toss" horses? :popcorn:

hogoffate
11-13-2017, 10:31 PM
Where do you get Rick Lee's analysis? thanks

If at Lone Star Park, they put out a page of his picks. But during the Oaklawn meet, his picks/analysis are in the Arkansas Democrat Gazette.

Afleet
11-14-2017, 12:23 AM
If at Lone Star Park, they put out a page of his picks. But during the Oaklawn meet, his picks/analysis are in the Arkansas Democrat Gazette.

I will have to buy a paper when I head down to Oaklawn in January-weather permitting. thanks again

dnlgfnk
11-14-2017, 01:50 AM
The public.

marksinger
11-14-2017, 07:45 AM
Chris Larney!!

Buckeye
11-14-2017, 08:02 PM
Totally agree. It's called insurance.

mikekk
11-14-2017, 10:34 PM
He did love Ascend in this year's Woodford Reserve on Belmont Stakes Day. The $57.00 win payoff got me a $1900 Pick3, so I'm a bit forgiving. Glad I didn't throw him out!

Mike

mikekk
11-14-2017, 10:35 PM
The post above refers to the Michael Pizzola part of this thread!

Mike

kingfin66
11-14-2017, 10:57 PM
Chris Larney!!

I believe that his name is actually Chris Larmey. I agree, good handicapper. Washington guy.

pat
11-18-2017, 10:49 AM
By far Kevin Cox (Brooklyn Cowboy)

Afleet
11-18-2017, 01:16 PM
The public.

I always toss the publics choice

dnlgfnk
11-19-2017, 07:58 PM
I always toss the publics choice

That's why they're my favorite.

ElKabong
11-26-2017, 04:06 AM
Dave Litfins book (expert handicapping)was the biggest handicapping influence on me, the chapters regarding turf racing for younger horses & record keeping were eye openers for me

In the end, once you have your shit together, if you're competent & betting serious cash, listen to no one else.