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The Biscuit
10-30-2017, 06:02 PM
Does anyone know of a few foreign tracks to look for that when the foreigners have come over to the states that have done well on the grass in America ?

Just thought I would ask you guys , figuring someone might know ? :headbanger:

horses4courses
10-30-2017, 11:40 PM
The track that resembles US turf tracks the most is Chester.
Tight left handed turns on a 9 furlong oval - speed is often at an advantage.
Trouble is, there aren't many top races run there, especially later in the year.

As far as firm turf goes, most Euro horses don't race on anything comparable.
Highland Reel took to it last year at Santa Anita, and a title defense was always going to be high on his dance card. He's not as good as others over there, and Ulysses has performed better than him this year. However, Michael Stoute's charge was well beaten in last year's BC Turf. Why are they trying again? Probably because Ulysses is better this year, and he may have had a legitimate excuse that day.

Both of those horses will have to be at their best to beat Beach Patrol.
He has looked like a monster lately. :ThmbUp:

The Biscuit
10-31-2017, 07:36 AM
The track that resembles US turf tracks the most is Chester.
Tight left handed turns on a 9 furlong oval - speed is often at an advantage.
Trouble is, there aren't many top races run there, especially later in the year.

As far as firm turf goes, most Euro horses don't race on anything comparable.
Highland Reel took to it last year at Santa Anita, and a title defense was always going to be high on his dance card. He's not as good as others over there, and Ulysses has performed better than him this year. However, Michael Stoute's charge was well beaten in last year's BC Turf. Why are they trying again? Probably because Ulysses is better this year, and he may have had a legitimate excuse that day.

Both of those horses will have to be at their best to beat Beach Patrol.
He has looked like a monster lately. :ThmbUp:



Thank you bro for sharing your info .... really appreciate the time and breakdown !!!!:cool:

biggestal99
10-31-2017, 12:02 PM
The track that resembles US turf tracks the most is Chester.
Tight left handed turns on a 9 furlong oval - speed is often at an advantage.
Trouble is, there aren't many top races run there, especially later in the year.

As far as firm turf goes, most Euro horses don't race on anything comparable.
Highland Reel took to it last year at Santa Anita, and a title defense was always going to be high on his dance card. He's not as good as others over there, and Ulysses has performed better than him this year. However, Michael Stoute's charge was well beaten in last year's BC Turf. Why are they trying again? Probably because Ulysses is better this year, and he may have had a legitimate excuse that day.

Both of those horses will have to be at their best to beat Beach Patrol.
He has looked like a monster lately. :ThmbUp:

I am gonna disagree here, the Reel has always been a firm turf specialist.
He's had 9 runs on less than good ground and has no wins.

Highland Reel record on Good or better tracks.

16-9-4-1-1-1. The reel hates off turf. Never won on it and lost to second and third raters on off turf.

The last two races are toss outs for me.

Last two times the Reel faced Ulysses on a good or better track.

It was a win for the reel

Maybe frankie lets moore get a clear lead like last year.

at a similar price like last year, the reel will get my money just like he did last year.

Allan

deja vu all over again.

CincyHorseplayer
10-31-2017, 12:12 PM
I simply prefer the horses who prepped on Arc weekend personally and if they are juveniles going a route distance.

horses4courses
10-31-2017, 12:19 PM
I am gonna disagree here, the Reel has always been a firm turf specialist.
He's had 9 runs on less than good ground and has no wins.

Highland Reel record on Good or better tracks.

16-9-4-1-1-1. The reel hates off turf. Never won on it and lost to second and third raters on off turf.

The last two races are toss outs for me.

Last two times the Reel faced Ulysses on a good or better track.

It was a win for the reel

Maybe frankie lets moore get a clear lead like last year.

at a similar price like last year, the reel will get my money just like he did last year.

Allan

deja vu all over again.

I have no doubt that Highland Reel likes firm turf.
He doesn't get the type of ground over there that he got a year ago at SA.
O'Brien has targeted this race for him since then.
He'll be favorite, and he will take beating.

I doubt he will have the lead this time, though.
Oscar Performance is very quick, but isn't likely to last more than 10 furlongs.
Highland Reel will be fine sitting just behind him, and leading turning for home.
Can either Ulysses, Decorated Knight, or Beach Patrol, run him down?
That's the big question.

Delta Cone
10-31-2017, 12:22 PM
Agree with what others have said, Highland Reel strongly prefers firm turf. Here are some quotes from his trainer from October 22:

"We were delighted with his run. He has been off a long time and he is not a soft ground horse, but we were over the moon with his run," said O'Brien.

"That (America) is what we would be thinking about. It was the only place we could get a little bit better ground, by going over the far side."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/horseracing/4741570/aidan-obriens-highland-reel-spot-on-for-breeders-cup-after-ascot-third/

Mc990
10-31-2017, 01:23 PM
I'm very intrigued by Cliffs of Moher in this spot. He's always been highly thought of (perhaps more so than the 2 favorites at the same point in their careers). He will need to improve but no reason he can't run a lifetime top here... 1st lasix, gets weight, will probably get some pace, and I suspect he's another that may prefer firm turf

O'Brien has had a couple recent 3 year olds who looked slow, freak in the turf 1st lasix... Found and Magician

The price will be right to take a shot IMO

Robert Fischer
10-31-2017, 02:43 PM
I like when foreign shippers are stretching out.

The Biscuit
10-31-2017, 07:36 PM
Nice info guys !!! Appreciate the advice ...:headbanger:

PoloUK6108
11-01-2017, 12:12 AM
I have a feeling the Euros are primed for a big showing this weekend. Just something about these surfaces, just a gut thing I guess.

CincyHorseplayer
11-01-2017, 01:37 PM
I have a feeling the Euros are primed for a big showing this weekend. Just something about these surfaces, just a gut thing I guess.

I have that feeling too. It is a gut thing also!:ThmbUp:

The Biscuit
11-02-2017, 02:17 PM
The foreigners will like the cooler temps ....