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woodtoo
10-23-2017, 09:42 AM
How many in your NFL stadium?
Saw a photo of the newly relocated LA Chargers game 20K tops in a 35k seat stadium, nice weather, new team doesn't bode well for next season.
_______
10-23-2017, 10:35 AM
How many in your NFL stadium?
Saw a photo of the newly relocated LA Chargers game 20K tops in a 35k seat stadium, nice weather, new team doesn't bode well for next season.
Charger’s are in trouble. They are probably the third most popular pro football team behind the Rams and Raiders in L.A.. There are Steeler bars, Chief bars, Cowboy bars, etc. all over town. I have never seen a Charger bar where people gather to root.
The new stadium might help when it’s built. A team that contends would certainly help in a town of frontrunners. But until then, there isn’t a passionate fan base close enough to fill a stadium built for an American pro soccer team.
barahona44
10-23-2017, 10:44 AM
Stadium holds 27,000 not 35,000.LA has NEVER supported pro football which is why the second largest metro area in the country went without the NFL for 23 years and few noticed.
When there are 15-20 K empty seats in Green Bay and Pittsburgh, the NFL should start getting concerned.
woodtoo
10-23-2017, 10:48 AM
A friend who winters in Ariz. patronizes a Chiefs bar says its very busy on Sunday.
Inner Dirt
10-23-2017, 11:04 AM
Charger’s are in trouble. They are probably the third most popular pro football team behind the Rams and Raiders in L.A.. There are Steeler bars, Chief bars, Cowboy bars, etc. all over town. I have never seen a Charger bar where people gather to root.
If they are winning the 49ers are also real popular in Southern California.
Marshall Bennett
10-23-2017, 12:28 PM
Looking over the attendance figures yesterday nearly all had little change. I'd guess perhaps a 5% drop at best. This however is understandable. A huge number are season ticket holders. No way are they staying home. At least a half of those left are liberal fks that probably wouldn't stand for the anthem themselves. This doesn't leave a whole lot of conservatives that run out and buy a ticket on game-day. Even a large number of these would rather see a good game then worry about a 5 minute political statement.
If the bullshit continues however, sponsorship could become a real issue and become costly. Television ratings aren't fairing nearly as well as attendance.
Being an avid college fan myself, if the league shutdown tomorrow I wouldn't lose a moments sleep. The Texans were off yesterday. Myself, I did chores outside and watched nothing. :)
Clocker
10-23-2017, 12:36 PM
If the bullshit continues however, sponsorship could become a real issue and become costly. Television ratings aren't fairing nearly as well as attendance.
About two-thirds of NFL revenue comes from television. I would imagine a lot of that is already locked up for this year under advertising contracts.
woodtoo
10-23-2017, 12:44 PM
Not sure how their salary cap works, I imagine it may drop next year along with some wages. Should know more after season is over.
woodtoo
10-23-2017, 01:06 PM
Latest numbers I see are down 18.7% since 2015 and down 7.5 from last year.
Clocker
10-23-2017, 01:31 PM
Not sure how their salary cap works, I imagine it may drop next year along with some wages. Should know more after season is over.
The salary cap is part of the collective bargaining agreement with the players union, and is effective through 2020.
Inner Dirt
10-23-2017, 01:55 PM
It will take a while for the owners to feel it in the wallet. Like others have said with season ticket holders buying up most of the seats the owners are paid well in advance. TV contracts are negotiated well in advance. Also stadium vendors pay a premium for space on multi-year deals. Most of the money the owners get from outside vendors isn't tied to sales. The stadium owner does get a percentage of sales, but it is nothing compared to the rent of space. The guy selling hot soft pretzels from a cart pays $1,000 on Sunday even if he doesn't sell a single pretzel. Got that inside info from my mother who worked for the city of Anaheim & knew the people who handled the stadium contracts, some of them were 5-10 year deals.
woodtoo
10-23-2017, 05:52 PM
Thanks for the good inside info.
burnsy
10-23-2017, 06:07 PM
Buffalo Bills season ticket holder since 1991. Its a 5 hour drive from here so at my age I sell the late season games and my friends take a few so I only go 2 or 3 times. Was at the Tampa Bay game yesterday, great game, we won late. There was not an empty seat in the joint, people sung the anthem and they had a standing ovation for a PFC that lost two of his buddies in battle, the guy had tears in his eyes he was so grateful. The point is the only people that argue about this crap are the political twits from either side. Which to my surprise and enlightenment can't be very many because the place was rocking.
It was 77 degrees , sunny, I wore shorts and a t-shirt. While the fools from both sides argue over their insignificant garbage at least most people are living a life, these others I talk of......outta get one! :p
I got better things to do than worry about what everyone else is or isn't doing.
The best was some jack ass on the radio, some wing nut, saying the NFL will go bankrupt........what a fool and people listen to that crap.....:D
chadk66
10-23-2017, 07:15 PM
ratings continue to drop and will continue to do so. if it wasn't for fantasy football it would be down 30%.
burnsy
10-23-2017, 07:24 PM
ratings continue to drop and will continue to do so. if it wasn't for fantasy football it would be down 30%.
Yeah, and its still leaps and bounds ahead of every other sport. Horse racing is running Tiddleywinks compared to the NFL and NCAA. If it weren't for ifs, butts, candy and nuts my ass. Its still the most popular USA sport. People are just lying to themselves to think its dying.
zico20
10-23-2017, 08:40 PM
Yeah, and its still leaps and bounds ahead of every other sport. Horse racing is running Tiddleywinks compared to the NFL and NCAA. If it weren't for ifs, butts, candy and nuts my ass. Its still the most popular USA sport. People are just lying to themselves to think its dying.
Football is nowhere near as popular as baseball. Have the NFL play a 162 game schedule and you would be lucky to get 10,000 people to a game in most stadiums. Or look at it another way. If baseball played only 16 games they would have to build 200,000 seat stadiums in most markets to keep up with the demand. Baseball is number one and it always will be until soccer overtakes it in 100 years.
I haven't watched a baseball game since the strike.
Last one I remember was more spitting and scratching than hitting and fielding.
CFL on Friday night,s college on Saturday......NFL means NO Football League to me. Not missing it a bit. I will not support the worthless thugs and wife beaters who are the players.
Too late now to ever get me back.....their true colors have been shown.....any settlement that keeps then standing will be phony.
Pass.
Clocker
10-23-2017, 10:01 PM
Football is nowhere near as popular as baseball. Have the NFL play a 162 game schedule and you would be lucky to get 10,000 people to a game in most stadiums. Or look at it another way. If baseball played only 16 games they would have to build 200,000 seat stadiums in most markets to keep up with the demand. Baseball is number one and it always will be until soccer overtakes it in 100 years.
Football is best viewed at home on TV. Baseball is a leisurely game best viewed in person, preferably in an uncrowded stadium.
I worked for some years in a big city that had a Triple-A baseball team. Nothing better than cutting out from the office for an extended lunch with a few co-workers on a warm spring afternoon and relaxing in a roomy grandstand with hot dogs and beer for lunch and peanuts and beer for desert.
sammy the sage
10-24-2017, 07:49 AM
Football is nowhere near as popular as baseball. Have the NFL play a 162 game schedule and you would be lucky to get 10,000 people to a game in most stadiums. Or look at it another way. If baseball played only 16 games they would have to build 200,000 seat stadiums in most markets to keep up with the demand. Baseball is number one and it always will be until soccer overtakes it in 100 years.
Wrong...the AL & NL playoff's were NOT on any of the MAJOR networks here in Fla....not EVEN game 7 Astro's/Yanks....think that happens with football...NO...ALL 3 major networks FIGHT for those play-off-games in football!
Your ANALogy is flawed...to put it mildly....
Inner Dirt
10-24-2017, 08:04 AM
Wrong...the AL & NL playoff's were NOT on any of the MAJOR networks here in Fla....not EVEN game 7 Astro's/Yanks....think that happens with football...NO...ALL 3 major networks FIGHT for those play-off-games in football!
Your ANALogy is flawed...to put it mildly....
Pretty much no games on major networks here till the world series and it has been that way for years in the Richmond Virginia area even when the Nationals are in the play-offs. Even radio coverage of games is on low wattage radio stations that don't reach far off the beaten path.
tucker6
10-24-2017, 10:25 AM
Football is best viewed at home on TV. Baseball is a leisurely game best viewed in person, preferably in an uncrowded stadium.
+1000 :ThmbUp:
PaceAdvantage
10-24-2017, 11:38 AM
Buffalo Bills season ticket holder since 1991. Its a 5 hour drive from here so at my age I sell the late season games and my friends take a few so I only go 2 or 3 times. Was at the Tampa Bay game yesterday, great game, we won late. There was not an empty seat in the joint, people sung the anthem and they had a standing ovation for a PFC that lost two of his buddies in battle, the guy had tears in his eyes he was so grateful. The point is the only people that argue about this crap are the political twits from either side. Which to my surprise and enlightenment can't be very many because the place was rocking.
It was 77 degrees , sunny, I wore shorts and a t-shirt. While the fools from both sides argue over their insignificant garbage at least most people are living a life, these others I talk of......outta get one! :p
I got better things to do than worry about what everyone else is or isn't doing.
The best was some jack ass on the radio, some wing nut, saying the NFL will go bankrupt........what a fool and people listen to that crap.....:DI'm pretty much inclined to agree with all of the above, believe it or not...
BaffertsWig
10-24-2017, 11:46 AM
I'm pretty much inclined to agree with all of the above, believe it or not...
Same. They didn't use to show the national anthem on TV except for major playoff games (i.e. Superbowl), I don't see why they don't just skip it on TV, if not altogether. The NFL will be around for as long as we will, congrats to those thinking that their boycotting the NFL will somehow end the popularity of the game. NASCAR and Jeff Foxworthy it is! :lol:
Marshall Bennett
10-24-2017, 12:19 PM
If one of the two leagues were to die I'd keep MLB 100 times over. There would still be college football. The MLB post season and television will always be in conflict with football schedules. Its not only the NFL its the NCAA as well they're going up against. The Fall prime time regular programing also debuts around this time. Its not about which sport people favor as much as grouping sponsorship and time-slots to generate revenue.
One thing is absolutely certain however, the quality of people and moral character in MLB puts the NFL to shame. I'd trust few of those guys off the field around my daughter anywhere at any time. Much of the league is common trash, regardless their contracts. :)
Valuist
10-24-2017, 12:41 PM
It goes deeper than the anthem protests. The games are getting longer and longer, more replays, more delays and more injury delays. I think 3 hours is the tipping point; most people can't focus that long.
But the increased number of injuries is a double edge sword. You not only have the short term delays, but losing players like Aaron Rodgers and JJ Watt for extended periods is not good for the league.
ReplayRandall
10-24-2017, 12:55 PM
I think 3 hours is the tipping point; most people can't focus that long.
I think live horse racing at the track has the same problem, especially for newbies....
Clocker
10-24-2017, 01:07 PM
I think live horse racing at the track has the same problem, especially for newbies....
A growing percentage of the population grew up with constant audio-visual stimulation filling all available free time, from TV and then video games. TV coverage of football, for example, fills the dead time between plays with replays, "expert" analysis, and commercials. Up to 30 minutes of dead time between races is like sensory deprivation for many.
_______
10-24-2017, 01:40 PM
A growing percentage of the population grew up with constant audio-visual stimulation filling all available free time, from TV and then video games. TV coverage of football, for example, fills the dead time between plays with replays, "expert" analysis, and commercials. Up to 30 minutes of dead time between races is like sensory deprivation for many.
Not to mention frenetic graphics rolling on and off to “improve” the watching experience on football.
I don’t agree at all with whoever it was on here claiming baseball was more popular than football. But given the choice between the simple box in one corner showing you the game situation in baseball and battling cosmic robots covering 1/2 the screen to reveal how often one team has converted on third downs in football, I’ll take the simple motionless graphic that isn’t distracting from the actual game.
chadk66
10-24-2017, 03:49 PM
Yeah, and its still leaps and bounds ahead of every other sport. Horse racing is running Tiddleywinks compared to the NFL and NCAA. If it weren't for ifs, butts, candy and nuts my ass. Its still the most popular USA sport. People are just lying to themselves to think its dying.have you not seen the ratings? they're down across the board. how far they will continue to drop is the question.
chadk66
10-24-2017, 03:51 PM
It goes deeper than the anthem protests. The games are getting longer and longer, more replays, more delays and more injury delays. I think 3 hours is the tipping point; most people can't focus that long.
But the increased number of injuries is a double edge sword. You not only have the short term delays, but losing players like Aaron Rodgers and JJ Watt for extended periods is not good for the league.not only that, each year they eliminate a little more contact in the sport. won't be long and it'll be the professional flag football league.
Marshall Bennett
10-24-2017, 04:31 PM
I'd like nothing more for the sport than to see two days of college football and random NFL throughout the week. Dedicating an entire day to the NFL is useless to me anymore. I find myself doing other things more and more. The excitement just isn't there anymore. I can still enjoy it in the NCAA. Its on the field, in the stands, the emotion. I can feel it. Its gone in the NFL, there are often times the assholes don't even try I swear you can see it in their faces and the way they perform. It stinks!!
zico20
10-24-2017, 05:35 PM
Wrong...the AL & NL playoff's were NOT on any of the MAJOR networks here in Fla....not EVEN game 7 Astro's/Yanks....think that happens with football...NO...ALL 3 major networks FIGHT for those play-off-games in football!
Your ANALogy is flawed...to put it mildly....
Have football play numerous best of seven series with games during the week and I guarantee you they would not be on major networks either. The TV ratings would suck and the major networks would not interrupt their regular programming for a best of seven series.
My analogy is not flawed, there is no excuse for a football team not to draw 100,000 per game for only eight mostly Sunday afternoon games if their stadium could hold that many.
If baseball played a one and done playoff game on a Sunday afternoon the ratings would be through the roof.
_______
10-24-2017, 08:40 PM
not only that, each year they eliminate a little more contact in the sport. won't be long and it'll be the professional flag football league.
^
Never played game at any level. Professional chicken hawk.
lefty359
10-24-2017, 09:23 PM
Wrong...the AL & NL playoff's were NOT on any of the MAJOR networks here in Fla....not EVEN game 7 Astro's/Yanks....think that happens with football...NO...ALL 3 major networks FIGHT for those play-off-games in football!
Your ANALogy is flawed...to put it mildly....
No, but they were on cable. Guess they won the bidding war.
World Series is on Fox.
Baseball to me is the better game.
I had tow Bills season tickets a few years back.
Left them on the front seat of my car while I went into the mall.
When I came back out, I saw the passenger side window was broken, and my worst fear came true as I looked at the seat where eI had left the two tickets......there were FOUR TICKETS there now!
chadk66
10-26-2017, 03:29 PM
^
Never played game at any level. Professional chicken hawk.nobody will hold that against you. It doesn't matter.
Inner Dirt
10-27-2017, 09:33 AM
Have football play numerous best of seven series with games during the week and I guarantee you they would not be on major networks either. The TV ratings would suck and the major networks would not interrupt their regular programming for a best of seven series.
My analogy is not flawed, there is no excuse for a football team not to draw 100,000 per game for only eight mostly Sunday afternoon games if their stadium could hold that many.
If baseball played a one and done playoff game on a Sunday afternoon the ratings would be through the roof.
I know a lot of sports fans including myself that for some reason were big baseball fans as a kid through young adulthood then started following it less and less. I went from listening to every Dodger and Angel game (I lived in So Cal till 2010) on my transistor radio from the age of 6 to 15, then once I got my drivers license attending 1-2 games a week in person. Now 40 years later I only watch the World Series.
Friday!
CFL on Dish tonight!!!!
And Japanese Wrestling to boot.
Who needs the NFL?
Marshall Bennett
10-27-2017, 12:36 PM
I watched a few minutes of the game last night, got bored and changed channels. Not only was the match-up a bomb, who told Tony Romo he could announce football?
Inner Dirt
10-27-2017, 01:51 PM
I watched a few minutes of the game last night, got bored and changed channels. Not only was the match-up a bomb, who told Tony Romo he could announce football?
He is way better than liberal POS "I won't say Redskins" Phil Simms who he replaced.
FantasticDan
10-27-2017, 02:07 PM
He is way better than liberal POS "I won't say Redskins" Phil Simms who he replaced.Sympathizing with the sizable group of Native Americans who have the gall to find "Redskin" defamatory makes him a POS, huh? :ThmbDown: :bang:
I find Romo pretty obnoxious too. I like his energy and he does make sharp game-play observations, but he's just TOO MUCH. I wish he would dial it back 30%.
Oh, and I miss POS Phil. :p
Best NFL game ever played was that Jets game, a December Saturday game, with NO announcers. If I wanted to listen to three pea-brains all afternoon, I would go to work.
Gee Dan, you worry about offending people with the term Redskins, but not at all about the Many, many more who are offended the by thug-league disrespective the national anthem. Funny guy.
No one is making them watch.
burnsy
10-29-2017, 12:08 PM
Football is nowhere near as popular as baseball. Have the NFL play a 162 game schedule and you would be lucky to get 10,000 people to a game in most stadiums. Or look at it another way. If baseball played only 16 games they would have to build 200,000 seat stadiums in most markets to keep up with the demand. Baseball is number one and it always will be until soccer overtakes it in 100 years.
These are the internet people you have to deal with............fantasy island is where you live. Why waste my time? I ask my self..........
The ratings for a Pre season Patriots game was higher than a regular season game the Red Sox had that counted this season for the playoff race. Tom Brady and the starters hardly played!...lol.
Baseball can't even get normal stations to take Pennant games, they are a joke compared to NFL or NCAA football.
The stadium in London right now as I write, is near capacity.....with millions watching in the USA too. With different teams going there weekly!
The Super Bowl is now seen by upwards of one billion people. They make more money and following that day than any sport in the history of the world,
This is the problem with the internet and politics, facts are meaningless, the truth is a mirage and Santa is coming to town too.
The Worlds Series is afraid of football. You can't be serious with that total bull shit analogy.
Are they happy some are pissed off? Of course they are not! Its a business. Are they shaking in their boots? Only if they were dumb enough to think like you do. Do they want to be as "popular" as Baseball? I highly doubt that....:lol::lol::lol:
Marshall Bennett
10-29-2017, 12:59 PM
On the other hand, baseball teams play 162 games plus post season. The NFL plays 16 plus post season. Average attendance of each MLB game is 30,000. So do the math. Its not even close over an entire season. Check team payrolls, again not even close. Your philosophy looks good in the smaller picture, but falls apart over the bigger one. and quite badly.
ElKabong
10-29-2017, 01:23 PM
These are the internet people you have to deal with............fantasy island is where you live. Why waste my time? I ask my self..........
The ratings for a Pre season Patriots game was higher than a regular season game the Red Sox had that counted this season for the playoff race. Tom Brady and the starters hardly played!...lol.
Baseball can't even get normal stations to take Pennant games, they are a joke compared to NFL or NCAA football.
The stadium in London right now as I write, is near capacity.....with millions watching in the USA too. With different teams going there weekly!
The Super Bowl is now seen by upwards of one billion people. They make more money and following that day than any sport in the history of the world,
This is the problem with the internet and politics, facts are meaningless, the truth is a mirage and Santa is coming to town too.
The Worlds Series is afraid of football. You can't be serious with that total bull shit analogy.
Are they happy some are pissed off? Of course they are not! Its a business. Are they shaking in their boots? Only if they were dumb enough to think like you do. Do they want to be as "popular" as Baseball? I highly doubt that....:lol::lol::lol:
In other news, Leicester City is up 2-0 on Everton. There are supposedly two nfl games on, but to me it's just a rumor.
A Browns RB posted a tweet of a cop having his throat slashed after five cops in my hometown were killed.....and you wonder why people are being turned off by the nfl? Carry on
woodtoo
10-29-2017, 01:58 PM
In other news, Leicester City is up 2-0 on Everton. There are supposedly two nfl games on, but to me it's just a rumor.
A Browns RB posted a tweet of a cop having his throat slashed after five cops in my hometown were killed.....and you wonder why people are being turned off by the nfl? Carry on
Like some owner said recently "the inmates are running the prison"
Total turnoff for most law-abiding citizens.
Great day it is today - I get to NOT watch NFL or the World Series!
No commies, no wife-beaters, no spitters, no scratchers.
jocko699
10-29-2017, 04:21 PM
Great day it is today - I get to NOT watch NFL or the World Series!
No commies, no wife-beaters, no spitters, no scratchers.
Watching Nascar at Martinsville. Always some great racing. I did not notice anyone take a knee when the national anthem was sung. BTW, the 5 gentlemen that sang it were awesome.
zico20
10-29-2017, 07:22 PM
On the other hand, baseball teams play 162 games plus post season. The NFL plays 16 plus post season. Average attendance of each MLB game is 30,000. So do the math. Its not even close over an entire season. Check team payrolls, again not even close. Your philosophy looks good in the smaller picture, but falls apart over the bigger one. and quite badly.
Burnsy doesn't quite get this. I don't think he ever will. More people watch baseball than football.
jocko699
10-29-2017, 07:38 PM
Burnsy doesn't quite get this. I don't think he ever will. More people watch baseball than football.
Zico,
Spot on!!! Baseball is a time-honored tradition of family leisurely enjoying a national sport while not worrying about other crap in the world.
MutuelClerk
10-29-2017, 09:37 PM
Great day it is today - I get to NOT watch NFL or the World Series!
No commies, no wife-beaters, no spitters, no scratchers.
That explains the Bills winning this season.
It's early yet, and I have history on my side....losers! :puke:
Inner Dirt
10-30-2017, 05:37 PM
Watching Nascar at Martinsville. Always some great racing. I did not notice anyone take a knee when the national anthem was sung. BTW, the 5 gentlemen that sang it were awesome.
I have went to a couple big league Nascar tracks and quite a few smaller racing venues. The only people sitting during the anthem are in wheelchairs & I have actually seen quite a few of those people use the rail to pull themselves up or ask for help to stand for the flag. I think any fan disrespecting the flag would get bombed with projectiles or pushed down the bleachers. If a driver did it I am pretty sure he would get dumped.
woodtoo
12-03-2017, 02:52 PM
NFL 49er Kneeler Eric Reid says funds for social justice causes come at the expense of the leagues support for breast cancer and military charities
"So it would really be no skin off the owners back" We're talking $89 million folks.
We fire guys like Matt Lauer for pretty much harmless remarks and a few fanny pats, but we pay this bunch of semi-humans millions of dollars to entertain us???
Every on merely accused of domestic violence shold be fired immediately and banned for life from the NFL.
If the NFL had any integrity,that is, which is has never had.
woodtoo
12-03-2017, 04:31 PM
True Tom why do they have so much immunity compared to other political and entertainment venues?
chadk66
12-03-2017, 06:15 PM
True Tom why do they have so much immunity compared to other political and entertainment venues?because the majority are minority and the public thinks they can't live without em. The number of felons in the league is insane.
Marshall Bennett
12-04-2017, 05:35 AM
because the majority are minority and the public thinks they can't live without em. The number of felons in the league is insane.
Absolutely. :ThmbUp:
Inner Dirt
12-04-2017, 08:08 AM
because the majority are minority and the public thinks they can't live without em. The number of felons in the league is insane.
For some time minorities are held to lower standards by the left.
BaffertsWig
12-04-2017, 09:29 AM
NFL 49er Kneeler Eric Reid says funds for social justice causes come at the expense of the leagues support for breast cancer and military charities
"So it would really be no skin off the owners back" We're talking $89 million folks.
To be fair, the Susan G Komen Foundation is repugnant.
chadk66
12-04-2017, 09:49 AM
In regards to minorities, if the left doesn't think they will benefit from them (actors,pro athletes, etc.) they could care less about them.
Marshall Bennett
12-04-2017, 12:06 PM
In regards to minorities, if the left doesn't think they will benefit from them (actors,pro athletes, etc.) they could care less about them.
Oh course. Kissing their asses equates to a voting block. Its been the case for decades.
And you're correct sir, realistically they don't give a fk about them. :cool:
woodtoo
12-04-2017, 12:09 PM
To be fair, the Susan G Komen Foundation is repugnant.
This may well be true no doubt but the process the NFL used is also repugnant
woodtoo
12-09-2017, 05:32 PM
FOX NFL Sunday advertising ads for LA Rams fans, well for people to act like fans.
Casting directors are now casting actors, models and talent to work on Sunday Dec.
10 in Los Angeles, California.
A link redirects to a Facebook page offering free tickets
Gotta PAY THEM to come???? :pound::pound::pound:
NFL - Nice *ing League~
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