How much longer for Tillerson?

[elysiantraveller]

Interesting article from politico here. (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/01/should-rex-tillerson-resign-215664)

[Clocker]

How much longer for Tillerson?

How much longer can he put up with it? It's not like he needs the job. Or the grief.

[fast4522]

I would not count on anything elysiantraveller posts as being close to an outcome, his hate for this administration runs deeper than anything that can be found at the anti Trump rallies. No dog and pony show will come close to the spot on assessments and crystal clear transparency the country gets with President Donald J. Trump. That is all it is a dog and pony shoe that everyone understands, if it does not get through to Kim Dumb Dong before New Years something else will. No matter what the guy who started this thread suggests this will be resolved to our President's satisfaction without the can continuing down the road. Just think of the enormity that will be felt when an outsider with NO political experience solves a few problems that the others could not for five decades or longer. That enormity will end scores of political careers, those who want too much will constantly hear the words of JFK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzRg--jhO8g

[elysiantraveller]

I would not count on anything elysiantraveller posts as being close to an outcome, his hate for this administration runs deeper than anything that can be found at the anti Trump rallies.

:lol::lol::lol:

I've given him some props lately.

I've also realized that he's a centrist NY moderate who uses Twitter to appeal to his base. (Called that too btw)

I also, however, have the ability to think objectively. How supportive your boy Bannon been of him lately? :lol:

Here is a Fox News Poll. (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/27/fox-news-poll-voters-say-trump-talk-not-helpful-on-iran-north-korea.html)

[elysiantraveller]

How much longer can he put up with it? It's not like he needs the job. Or the grief.

Its all part of Trump's 4D chess game to undermine his SOS from Twitter dontcha know?

[Clocker]

I would not count on anything elysiantraveller posts as being close to an outcome

Is what he posted factual? What difference does it make who posted it? The fact is that the Secy. of State is trying to do something and his boss is calling him out in front of the whole world, saying that he is wasting his time.

If this happened in the real world, the boss would talk to the guy privately, discuss it, and either let him go on or tell him to try something else.

[fast4522]

Is what he posted factual? What difference does it make who posted it? The fact is that the Secy. of State is trying to do something and his boss is calling him out in front of the whole world, saying that he is wasting his time.

If this happened in the real world, the boss would talk to the guy privately, discuss it, and either let him go on or tell him to try something else.

The end run is all that counts, it is a dog and pony show mostly for the Hillary and Bernie crowd. Like a ripe boil that needs to be lanced, we all can watch this fool from NK implode with a little help from his friends.

[Dahoss9698]

The end run is all that counts, it is a dog and pony show mostly for the Hillary and Bernie crowd. Like a ripe boil that needs to be lanced, we all can watch this fool from NK implode with a little help from his friends.

Is there anything Trump can do wrong in your eyes? I'm not trying to be funny....I'm genuinely asking. What would he have to do for you to think he is wrong?

[fast4522]

Is there anything Trump can do wrong in your eyes? I'm not trying to be funny....I'm genuinely asking. What would he have to do for you to think he is wrong?

Think about it this way, NO one is going to trade their hand for yours. New policy alone will kill off and discourage several million of your like minded folks from voting, when things begin to snowball the Mexican's will not be the only ones outbound at the borders.

[Clocker]

Is there anything Trump can do wrong in your eyes?

Blasphemy! :eek:

[fast4522]

:lol::lol::lol:

I've given him some props lately.

I've also realized that he's a centrist NY moderate who uses Twitter to appeal to his base. (Called that too btw)

I also, however, have the ability to think objectively. How supportive your boy Bannon been of him lately? :lol:

Here is a Fox News Poll. (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/27/fox-news-poll-voters-say-trump-talk-not-helpful-on-iran-north-korea.html)

I would love to see Bannon end Paul Ryan's career, I see how things look but really could give a rats ass. Ryan & McConnell are the problem, not even close to being a solution.

[davew]

Tillerson will probably be around until there is a HUGE earthquake and he can resign and run the rebuilding charity, pocketing a few billion in the process.

[dkithore]

The end run is all that counts, it is a dog and pony show mostly for the Hillary and Bernie crowd. Like a ripe boil that needs to be lanced, we all can watch this fool from NK implode with a little help from his friends.
:headbanger:

[elysiantraveller]

Think about it this way, NO one is going to trade their hand for yours. New policy alone will kill off and discourage several million of your like minded folks from voting, when things begin to snowball the Mexican's will not be the only ones outbound at the borders.

This sounds like it's happened before in a couple of places.

Of course that won't happen but thanks for the glimpse.

[Nutz and Boltz]

[quote=fast4522;2226959]Think about it this way, New policy alone will Kill off......[/quote

Kill off? For real ?

[Dahoss9698]

Think about it this way, NO one is going to trade their hand for yours. New policy alone will kill off and discourage several million of your like minded folks from voting, when things begin to snowball the Mexican's will not be the only ones outbound at the borders.

Good answer!

[fast4522]

[quote=fast4522;2226959]Think about it this way, New policy alone will Kill off......[/quote

Kill off? For real ?

Policy of Barack Hussein Obama grew all forms socialism during his administration, policy that is 180 degrees will have the opposite effect.

[fast4522]

This sounds like it's happened before in a couple of places.

Of course that won't happen but thanks for the glimpse.

Consider you said Millennials would be a deciding factor prior to the general election giving Pennsylvania Avenue to Hillary Clinton. Some 40 % of Millennials live at home with parents making less than 10k per year, the other 60 % like money and expensive cars and toys and half of them voted for Trump. What happens when a bunch of the 40 % stay home and smoke dope instead of vote? Who in their right mind wants to provide heath care and everything else going forward for this bunch of folks, people who intend on doing nothing for a entire life. The optics are not on your side, a large part of being healthy is prevention and by all accounts Millennials will break the bank. The 32 Trillion dollar estimate is way too conservative a projection for the cost. Anyone who is better than average in math is bound to abandon your ideology on cost alone. Be very careful to not continue being wrong the rest of your life elysiantraveller.

[Dahoss9698]

Consider you said Millennials would be a deciding factor prior to the general election giving Pennsylvania Avenue to Hillary Clinton. Some 40 % of Millennials live at home with parents making less than 10k per year, the other 60 % like money and expensive cars and toys and half of them voted for Trump. What happens when a bunch of the 40 % stay home and smoke dope instead of vote? Who in their right mind wants to provide heath care and everything else going forward for this bunch of folks, people who intend on doing nothing for a entire life. The optics are not on your side, a large part of being healthy is prevention and by all accounts Millennials will break the bank. The 32 Trillion dollar estimate is way too conservative a projection for the cost. Anyone who is better than average in math is bound to abandon your ideology on cost alone. Be very careful to not continue being wrong the rest of your life elysiantraveller.

I'd be curious on where you get your numbers from. Not necessarily saying they are wrong but do you have a source?

[elysiantraveller]

Anyone who is better than average in math is bound to abandon your ideology on cost alone. Be very careful to not continue being wrong the rest of your life elysiantraveller.

This thread is about how much longer Tillerson will stay on as SOS.

But you've already hijacked enough this thread enough please educate me on my ideology...

[Clocker]

This thread is about how much longer Tillerson will stay on as SOS.

But you've already hijacked enough this thread enough please educate me on my ideology...

Standard diversionary tactics. If you can't refute the facts, attack the person presenting them.

[fast4522]

This thread is about how much longer Tillerson will stay on as SOS.

But you've already hijacked enough this thread enough please educate me on my ideology...

Maybe your right, this is not another hate Trump garbage thread.
Maybe your right your not a ultra liberal pushing socialized health care.

But maybe I paint it like it is, and a year from now your still posting hate Trump threads and in turn I call them out. Remember if we took your advice and voted for little Marco we would have Hillary now. Any way you cut it you have a hard row to hoe.

[Tom]

Who cares?
He knew what he was getting into.
He will either continue to do what he thinks is right or he will quit.

Trump's tweets are part of the whole game plan, IMHO.
I could be wrong, I often am. But Good cop Bad cop seems to be playing out here.

[reckless]

It seems to me that Tillerson is out of sync with Trump's agenda.

Tillerson should resign if he and his boss, the President of the United States, disagree on basic Trump-policy issues.

[fast4522]

It seems to me that Tillerson is out of sync with Trump's agenda.

Tillerson should resign if he and his boss, the President of the United States, disagree on basic Trump-policy issues.

In private maybe they agree KJU should be dead, but can't agree on timeline.
But anything that drives liberals batshit crazy is all good.

[reckless]

In private maybe they agree KJU should be dead, but can't agree on timeline. But anything that drives liberals batshit crazy is all good.

I agree on both counts but especially your second point.

But, seriously, Tillerson is also at odds with Trump on his (Trump) decision to get out of the Paris Climate Accord. Tillerson was all for that, and Tillerson is also a supporter of the Iran Nuke deal, for god's sake.

Whose side is he on, anyway?

[fast4522]

I agree on both counts but especially your second point.

But, seriously, Tillerson is also at odds with Trump on his (Trump) decision to get out of the Paris Climate Accord. Tillerson was all for that, and Tillerson is also a supporter of the Iran Nuke deal, for god's sake.

Whose side is he on, anyway?

Your as sharp as any, so field this logic.
The mark of a super Chief Executive is having very sharp minds around him, not men or women that always agree but equal in ability to find best solutions. Maybe you would also agree that Rex W. Tillerson see's this as his swan song easily outperforming others who recently held that position. Mind you that I am not looking for everyone to agree who are politically on the same side, warm air is for the other side.

[delayjf]

f this happened in the real world, the boss would talk to the guy privately, discuss it, and either let him go on or tell him to try something else.

Good cop, bad cop perhaps???

[Clocker]

But, seriously, Tillerson is also at odds with Trump on his (Trump) decision to get out of the Paris Climate Accord. Tillerson was all for that, and Tillerson is also a supporter of the Iran Nuke deal, for god's sake.



Why then did Trump appoint him? Did Trump not discuss issues with him before giving him the job? Has Tillerson changed his positions since Trump appointed him? Has Trump changed his?

[johnhannibalsmith]

Why then did Trump appoint him? ...

Master plan, piss off exploding brain liberals, etc.

[elysiantraveller]

Maybe your right, this is not another hate Trump garbage thread.
Maybe your right your not a ultra liberal pushing socialized health care.

But maybe I paint it like it is, and a year from now your still posting hate Trump threads and in turn I call them out. Remember if we took your advice and voted for little Marco we would have Hillary now. Any way you cut it you have a hard row to hoe.

I highly doubt that point. I'm pretty sure anyone was going to beat Hillary.

Anywho the whole good cop/bad cop thing makes no sense. As far as wanting KJU dead we also don't really want that either. The subsequent power vacuum is super problematic to our allies and rivals in the region.

The ideal situation is what Tillerson is pitching. Not Trump. No one in his cabinet backs him up on that.

[elysiantraveller]

I agree on both counts but especially your second point.

But, seriously, Tillerson is also at odds with Trump on his (Trump) decision to get out of the Paris Climate Accord. Tillerson was all for that, and Tillerson is also a supporter of the Iran Nuke deal, for god's sake.

Whose side is he on, anyway?

Getting out of the Paris Climate Accord was completely pointless. Just don't follow it (hint: we weren't anyway). It was just simply something for his base to get excited about while needlessly pissing off essentially everyone else.

Secondly, dismantling the Iran Weapons deal is a terrible mistake at this point. Is it a good deal...? No, not really. But it's a deal and the Iranians are holding up their end of the bargain so we should do the same instead of needlessly escalating a situation that's relatively calm right now.

[reckless]

Getting out of the Paris Climate Accord was completely pointless. Just don't follow it (hint: we weren't anyway). It was just simply something for his base to get excited about while needlessly pissing off essentially everyone else.

Secondly, dismantling the Iran Weapons deal is a terrible mistake at this point. Is it a good deal...? No, not really. But it's a deal and the Iranians are holding up their end of the bargain so we should do the same instead of needlessly escalating a situation that's relatively calm right now.

Whether one is for or against both the Paris Climate Accord and Trump's decision to leave really isn't the point, now is it? Same with the Iran nuke deal.

Trump's position and thoughts on North Korea, the Iran nuke deal and the Paris Accord were well-known and established both here and abroad. On the latter two points primarily Trump used them during his winning Presidential campaign, in case people forgot.

Tillerson is often on the other side of Trump on these three issues, at least. Tillerson being CEO of Exxon doesn't preclude him from simply being wrong on these issues. Heads of multi-national corporations usually put their personal business interests ahead of the best interests of the American citizen, especially when they are being shaken down by the very same governments they do business with.

Rex Tillerson needs to either play ball and shut his mouth or simply resign.

[elysiantraveller]

Rex Tillerson needs to either play ball and shut his mouth or simply resign.

Guess you can add Mattis. (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-mattis/mattis-plays-down-split-between-trump-tillerson-on-north-korea-idUSKCN1C81UC?il=0)

[reckless]

(1) Why then did Trump appoint him? (2) Did Trump not discuss issues with him before giving him the job? (3) Has Tillerson changed his positions since Trump appointed him? (4) Has Trump changed his?

Alot of questions there. Since I am not privvy to West Wing business I could only give you my personal thoughts.

(1) I think since Trump is/was the CEO of a relatively large business concern, he thought a guy like Rex Tillerson, CEO of the world's largest oil company, would be perfect for the job at State. And why not? Tillerson is/was smart, tough, aggressive and successful ... all qualities Trump simply loves and is seriously lacking in Wash DC. Exxon does business in 100s of countries world-wide. Tillerson had to deal with all types of people, usually scoundrels and dictators, of which it had to help at the State Department. A pretty good resume regardless of party or ideology.

(2) One assumes Trump and Tillerson spoke on many issues. Maybe Trump thought Tillerson followed the campaign and 'knew' Trump's position on all these issues at hand. Or maybe none of that. Do you know? What I do know is that Tillerson is getting too much advice from life-long beaurocrats in the State department and they want Trump to fail, in case you hadn't noticed.

(3) I assume Tillerson hasn't changed any of those positions he may have harbored before coming into the Cabinet. I know for a supposed tough guy, Tillerson surrendered real quickly when the hoodlums in the Climate Change mafia got to him. I guess they threw the guilt card against XOM pertaining to the Exxon Valdez fiasco of 30-so years ago.

(4) Pretty sure Trump hasn't changed his positions on these things, especially on No Korea. He may waver on the Paris Accord, and he might not get far with the Iran nuke deal. I mean, Obama illegally paid Iran billions in cash and there are too many 'Republicans' with banking and Wall Street interests that benefited from the deal as well, despite their public cries and outrage to the contrary. Trump not only was dealt a bad hand on these matters but those cards were also dealt from the bottom deck.

[reckless]

Guess you can add Mattis. (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-mattis/mattis-plays-down-split-between-trump-tillerson-on-north-korea-idUSKCN1C81UC?il=0)

I'm not a fan of Mattis at all .... nor most of The Generals Trump seems to love.

How many wars have we won since VJ Day ? Or even by these Generals the past 30+ years, by the way?

[fast4522]

I highly doubt that point. I'm pretty sure anyone was going to beat Hillary.

Your lack of dispute puts me dead on in other points.

Your generous considerations for all the others running in the primary that could beat her is a joke, all others did not have the moxie that President Donald J. Trump had. None of them willing to slice her political anything, the President going directly to a political weakness and draw blood within the first minute. And the majority of Americans loved it, anyone wanting to learn how just needs to watch Robert Dole's debate when he was in danger of losing his Senate seat. None of them would have won but President Donald J. Trump. Your other observation good cop/bad cop is crap as well, KJU is a moron who will be leveraged to death. Who will snuff him out has yet to be determined, someone will be seeking favor after the task is completed. Your idea of keeping KJU in place like a ultra liberal is pathetic, that logic has panted our country in a corner and blackmailed us for too long. We have a new sheriff in town who is not a career politician and the direction will often differ from your druthers. Remember this evening?

[elysiantraveller]

...

That's a lot more words trying to deflect away from the fact Tillerson and Mattis disagree with the President.

Didn't knoe it was "ultra-liberal" to question who fills in a power vacuum should the PRK government fall.

[fast4522]

That is OK, don't own up to any of it. Do you think Tillerson and Mattis are going to quit because your so astute.:lol:

I seriously doubt the Trump organization would have been so successful with senor executives telling then Mr. Trump flower story's that he wanted to hear. I expect going forward when tough situations occur that the administration will resolve to the best possible result or near best possible because everyone will rise to the occasion despite your posts.

[elysiantraveller]

Mike Pence, Mattis, and Kelly begged Tillerson to stay in July.

All is not well in Camelot.

Story Here (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/tillerson-s-fury-trump-required-intervention-pence-n806451)

Mattis also contradicts the President on the Iran Deal.

Story Here (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/03/world/middleeast/mattis-iran-deal-trump.html)

[DSB]

NBC news and NYT.... the propaganda mill.

Just saw Tillerson say he NEVER considered resigning and wasn't "begged" to stay.

Gotta be careful of the ol' fake news peddlers....

[elysiantraveller]

NBC news and NYT.... the propaganda mill.

Just saw Tillerson say he NEVER considered resigning and wasn't "begged" to stay.

Gotta be careful of the ol' fake news peddlers....

It was reported on various outlets.

The impromptu presser was hilarious. The coordinated tweet and presser are what we call "getting out in front of it."

We have a standing SOS having to take the microphone to swear allegiance to a guy that just undercut his job.

Best reality TV show ever.

:popcorn::popcorn:

[fast4522]

Rex Tillerson says he has never considered leaving the post of secretary of state. Tillerson said Wednesday that reports suggesting otherwise are “erroneous.

Maybe we should refer to you as erroneoustraveller.

I bet you have fond memory's of the Bundy Ranch Standoff result.

[elysiantraveller]

Rex Tillerson says he has never considered leaving the post of secretary of state. Tillerson said Wednesday that reports suggesting otherwise are “erroneous.

Maybe we should refer to you as erroneoustraveller.

I bet you have fond memory's of the Bundy Ranch Standoff result.

But he didn't deny calling him a moron. :)

Politico (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/04/tillerson-i-have-never-considered-resigning-as-secretary-of-state-243448)

Why can't you admit it? He is at odds with senior members of his cabinet... routinely. Everything you post on here is a personal attack against me without ever actually taking a stand.

Back to the thread topic. I think that Tillerson stays on through maybe the end of the year. China trip coming up should be interesting! :)

[Clocker]

How many wars have we won since VJ Day ? Or even by these Generals the past 30+ years, by the way?

How many of those wars were unwinnable because of administration policies, setting unrealistic goals or imposing unreasonable restrictions? The first Gulf War was successful because the president set reasonable goals and allowed the military to do its job.

[Clocker]

Rex Tillerson says he has never considered leaving the post of secretary of state.

And you believe him despite much evidence to the contrary? :D

[reckless]

How many of those wars were unwinnable because of administration policies, setting unrealistic goals or imposing unreasonable restrictions? The first Gulf War was successful because the president set reasonable goals and allowed the military to do its job.

What matters are the facts... did we win in Korea? No. Vietnam? No. Did we really win the 1st Gulf War? I don't agree that we 'won' the 1st Gulf War primarily because Colin Powell won the point about not invading Baghdad. By not going into Baghdad and toppling Saddam then, I say we lost that one too. The Middle East and history would be much different today if the incompetent General Powell wasn't around offering this 'sage' advice.

And since the 1st Gulf War loss, 26 years ago, how many of these later wars were won by Mattis, Kelly, and that pseudo tough guy trio of McMasters, Allen and Petraeus?? Again the answer is none.

[reckless]

Mike Pence, Mattis, and Kelly begged Tillerson to stay in July.

All is not well in Camelot.

Story Here (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/tillerson-s-fury-trump-required-intervention-pence-n806451)

Mattis also contradicts the President on the Iran Deal.

Story Here (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/03/world/middleeast/mattis-iran-deal-trump.html)

I predict Rex Tillerson is gone by the first month of 2018, if not sooner.

He's a cinch and a mortal lock to leave way, way before the great first term of Trump's end.

You can go to the bank on this. Again, I repeat: Tillerson is a mortal lock to be gone, sooner or later is up to him.

[Clocker]

I don't agree that we 'won' the 1st Gulf War primarily because Colin Powell won the point about not invading Baghdad. By not going into Baghdad and toppling Saddam then, I say we lost that one too.

Many in the George H. W. Bush administration, including those in the intelligence community, opposed going into Baghdad, and the president agreed with them. One of the primary reasons was that they knew that the elimination of Saddam would lead to wide-spread sectarian violence. We would be right in the middle of it, and we had no ideas or plans on how to deal with it.



And since the 1st Gulf War loss, 26 years ago, how many of these later wars were won by Mattis, Kelly, and that pseudo tough guy trio of McMasters, Allen and Petraeus?? Again the answer is none.And the Commander in Chief had no role in the outcomes of those wars? Or Vietnam?

[reckless]

Many in the George H. W. Bush administration, including those in the intelligence community, opposed going into Baghdad, and the president agreed with them. One of the primary reasons was that they knew that the elimination of Saddam would lead to wide-spread sectarian violence. We would be right in the middle of it, and we had no ideas or plans on how to deal with it.

And the Commander in Chief had no role in the outcomes of those wars? Or Vietnam?

Too often, decisions by the President are made through the prism of politics, and nothing less.

On that note, what makes you think G.H.W. Bush knew what the hell he was doing in the first place? The same can be said of his son, W. Bush.

[Clocker]

[/B]

Too often, decisions by the President are made through the prism of politics, and nothing less.



You mean like Trump's debt deal with Chuck and Nancy? :D

On that note, what makes you think G.H.W. Bush knew what the hell he was doing in the first place? The same can be said of his son, W. Bush.I would say that W's plunge into the morass of sectarian violence in Iraq proved that Papa Bush knew what the hell he was doing in avoiding that.

What makes you think that we could have taken down Saddam and gone home and lived happily ever after?

[reckless]

(1) You mean like Trump's debt deal with Chuck and Nancy? :D

(2) I would say that W's plunge into the morass of sectarian violence in Iraq proved that Papa Bush knew what the hell he was doing in avoiding that.

(3) What makes you think that we could have taken down Saddam and gone home and lived happily ever after?

(1) I am sure you believe people can't sleep at night worrying over Chuck and Nancy ... maybe you do, being so obsessed over such trivial matters ... The rest of us don't.

(2) Not going into Baghdad and removing Saddam simply showed the world we are a paper tiger. GHW Bush listening to a clown like Powell showed me what a jerk he was. Bush I's lack of balls then is the underlying cause for every subsequent problem we've faced in the Middle East since. Bush II's own lack of brains and balls was the reason for his downfall. IMO, he would have been a one termer if 9-11 didn't happen. In 2004 Bush vs. a traitor during war time was a no brainer. Following dad's advise was folly, even if you think otherwise.

(3) Well if you think we wouldn't have been able to take down Saddam in 1992 ... then once more ... you're showing us what little you actually do know about the subjects you constantly comment.

Have a nice day.

[ElKabong]

But he didn't deny calling him a moron. :)

Politico (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/04/tillerson-i-have-never-considered-resigning-as-secretary-of-state-243448)

Why can't you admit it? He is at odds with senior members of his cabinet... routinely. Everything you post on here is a personal attack against me without ever actually taking a stand.

Back to the thread topic. I think that Tillerson stays on through maybe the end of the year. China trip coming up should be interesting! :)

Just saw Rex and his staffer's reply. It appears you're incorrect here. His staffer flat out stated he didn't call trump a moron or any derogatory name.

This nonsense reminds me of another poster here predicting that pence would drop from trumps ticket back in July or August before the convention. That turned out to be nonsense too. For some reason that poster didn't backtrack, went down guns flaming on the fake news.

[ElKabong]

I predict Rex Tillerson is gone by the first month of 2018, if not sooner.

He's a cinch and a mortal lock to leave way, way before the great first term of Trump's end.

You can go to the bank on this. Again, I repeat: Tillerson is a mortal lock to be gone, sooner or later is up to him.

I disagree, we'll check back on Jan 1 to see how it turns out. Either way, I won't lose sleep over it.

[fast4522]

Just saw Rex and his staffer's reply. It appears you're incorrect here. His staffer flat out stated he didn't call trump a moron or any derogatory name.

This nonsense reminds me of another poster here predicting that pence would drop from trumps ticket back in July or August before the convention. That turned out to be nonsense too. For some reason that poster didn't backtrack, went down guns flaming on the fake news.


Rex Tillerson is by any measure what is called a man of action, I think that his commitment is genuine to accomplishing something big in his charter as Sectary of State. Combine a hateful Millennial with fake news and garbage threads become plentiful like this one.

[elysiantraveller]

Rex Tillerson is by any measure what is called a man of action, I think that his commitment is genuine to accomplishing something big in his charter as Sectary of State. Combine a hateful Millennial with fake news and garbage threads become plentiful like this one.

I'm now a hateful millennial. :lol:

To the contrary I'm merely posting stuff and commenting on a situation that is clear to anyone wishing to see it. Despite what you may think I do not want Tillerson to resign but I don't see at this point how he can remain at State. I'd personally like to see him stay because I do agree with him on virtually every issue he has publicly disagreed with the President on... and there are many.

I do want Tillerson to accomplish something great and that to me is preventing our President from running roughshod over our foreign policy. I'm just not that optimistic about it.

[Nutz and Boltz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Kh7nLplWo

[reckless]

I disagree, we'll check back on Jan 1 to see how it turns out. Either way, I won't lose sleep over it.

I won't lose sleep either, Kabong.

Tillerson is just another over-rated too big to fail executive who is used to getting his own way without question. Same can be said about these generals Trump loves so much.

But it really would be nice if some of these Cabinet secretaries actually voted for Trump.

[BaffertsWig]

On being called a "moron" by Tillerson in front of senior White House officials:

"I think it's fake news. But if he did that, I guess we'll have to compare IQ tests. And I can tell you who is going to win."


You can't make this stuff up, folks... :pound:

[Dahoss9698]

On being called a "moron" by Tillerson in front of senior White House officials:

"I think it's fake news. But if he did that, I guess we'll have to compare IQ tests. And I can tell you who is going to win."


You can't make this stuff up, folks... :pound:

It's no wonder all these snowflakes worship him. :pound:

[thaskalos]

On being called a "moron" by Tillerson in front of senior White House officials:

"I think it's fake news. But if he did that, I guess we'll have to compare IQ tests. And I can tell you who is going to win."


You can't make this stuff up, folks... :pound:

Well...I have to admit that the Trump-lovers were right. They kept saying that we'd see things under the Trump regime that we've never seen before...and I didn't believe them.

[stuball]

U bttr strt beleevin :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[davew]

Well...I have to admit that the Trump-lovers were right. They kept saying that we'd see things under the Trump regime that we've never seen before...and I didn't believe them.

good thing he does not have a boss to muzzle him so he is 'politically correct'

[FantasticDan]

Tillerson and Trump's sad (and scary) excuse for a State Dept:

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/11/8/16623278/trump-state-department-data-career

[JustRalph]

Tillerson and Trump's sad (and scary) excuse for a State Dept:

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/11/8/16623278/trump-state-department-data-career

After watching them be Hillary's playground, and Obama's gift giving service, I could care less if they shut the whole damn Dept.
Down. They did so well in Benghazi.......you know.......

[FantasticDan]

After watching them be Hillary's playground, and Obama's gift giving service, I could care less if they shut the whole damn Dept. Down.
Exactly. Who needs a State Dept when we have a Trump? (he was in business, you know..)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY7ME2jy7ZM

[woodtoo]

This is great news and a long time in coming. So very glad they're leaving on their own.When more are needed TRex will hire the best.

[reckless]

Tillerson and Trump's sad (and scary) excuse for a State Dept:

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/11/8/16623278/trump-state-department-data-career

More good news for America.

Thanks for posting FanDan, there's hope for you yet.

[FantasticDan]

To answer the original post's question: NOT MUCH

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/us/politics/state-department-tillerson-pompeo-trump.html

[elysiantraveller]

To answer the original post's question: NOT MUCH

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/us/politics/state-department-tillerson-pompeo-trump.html

I'm SHOCKED! :rolleyes:

One of his better cabinet appointees... I mean, it's not a neurosurgeon running HUD but I digress. :lol:

[woodtoo]

To answer the original post's question: NOT MUCH

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/us/politics/state-department-tillerson-pompeo-trump.html

New York Slime no sources pppplllleeeeeeaaaaassssseeeeee!!!!!

[reckless]

I hope for once The New York Times is correct and Rex Tillerson will be gone sooner rather than later.

And then we can work on anti-Semite H.R. McMaster's ouster next.

[elysiantraveller]

New York Slime no sources pppplllleeeeeeaaaaassssseeeeee!!!!!

Lol... this attack the source thing is getting old. Its on Fox too.

[Clocker]

And then we can work on anti-Semite H.R. McMaster's ouster next.

McMaster must be good at his job. The Trumpsters don't like him and the anti-Trumpsters accuse him of shilling for The Donald. :popcorn:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/05/17/hr-mcmaster-trump-leak-russian-classified-intel-215149

[woodtoo]

Lol... this attack the source thing is getting old. Its on Fox too.

It originated from The Slime "anonymous or invisible sources" 100% horsepucky.
They don't like the great job TRex is doing.

[elysiantraveller]

It originated from The Slime "anonymous or invisible sources" 100% horsepucky.
They don't like the great job TRex is doing.

Ummm.... no that would be Donald Trump that doesn't like the job Tillerson is doing.

[woodtoo]

Ummm.... no that would be Donald Trump that doesn't like the job Tillerson is doing.

What do you give Rex, till the end of the year?

Sara Sanders said he's not going anywhere. And you believe the Slime over her, good luck with that. :faint:

[jocko699]

What do you give Rex, till the end of the year?

Sara Sanders said he's not going anywhere. And you believe the Slime over her, good luck with that. :faint:

My take is a little bit different I guess. I think Rex is a good man but very shortly things will be happening where a tougher Secretary of State will be needed.

[Clocker]

What do you give Rex, till the end of the year?

Sara Sanders said he's not going anywhere. And you believe the Slime over her, good luck with that. :faint:

Sanders says whatever Trump tells her to say.

Fox News is also reporting that Rex will leave in January, to be replaced by current CIA Director Mike Pompeo. The Trump White House is one of the most leaky in recent history, and many other sources are reporting the same story.

If both the NY Times and Fox are reporting the same thing, I believe that over Sanders.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/30/rex-tillerson-expected-to-step-down-in-january-plans-discussed-for-pompeo-to-take-place.html

[woodtoo]

Sanders says whatever Trump tells her to say.

Fox News is also reporting that Rex will leave in January, to be replaced by current CIA Director Mike Pompeo. The Trump White House is one of the most leaky in recent history, and many other sources are reporting the same story.

If both the NY Times and Fox are reporting the same thing, I believe that over Sanders.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/30/rex-tillerson-expected-to-step-down-in-january-plans-discussed-for-pompeo-to-take-place.html

All 17 fake news agencies agree that Rex Tillerson will be leaving the white house.......


same source NYT

[Clocker]

Lol... this attack the source thing is getting old.

When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

[chadk66]

I don't see this as any big deal. You either have the stomach to be SOS or you don't. Rex probably didn't.

[woodtoo]

When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Hammer this,Jim Acosta for S of S.:lol::pound:

[HalvOnHorseracing]

My take is a little bit different I guess. I think Rex is a good man but very shortly things will be happening where a tougher Secretary of State will be needed.

Like the Godfather when they took the consigliere job away from Tom Hagen.

Michael: There are negotiations being made that are going to answer all of your questions and solve all of your problems. That's all I can tell you right now. Carlo, you grew up in Nevada. When we make our move there you're going to be my right hand man. Tom Hagen is no longer Consigliari. He's going to be our lawyer in Vegas. That's no reflection on Tom it's just the way I want it. Besides, if I ever help who's a better Consigliari than my father. That's it.
Tom Hagen: Mike, why am I out?
Michael: You're not a wartime Consigliari, Tom. Things could get rough with the move we're making.

[Nutz and Boltz]

All 17 fake news agencies agree that Rex Tillerson will be leaving the white house.......


same source NYT

I guess in January we might have a better idea of who is faking us out. . The MSM or The White House.

[Clocker]

I guess in January we might have a better idea of who is faking us out. . The MSM or The White House.

The MSM can hardly know what will happen in January when the White House doesn't know either.

[incoming]

The following link is SOS, Rex Tillerson side of the story.....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/rex-tillerson-calls-reports-that-white-house-wants-him-to-resign-laughable/ar-BBG137A?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

Based on the past, who would you believe.....:D

[reckless]

I do not know if this story is 'true' or 'fake', I really don't.

I did predict in this very thread that Tillerson will be gone by January so if the story is true, it will not surprise me. I actually welcome it.

Personally I believe Tillerson should get fired for a few reasons that I also have mentioned in the past. I think Tillerson did call Trump a moron; he's also a global warming idiot; he has too many ties in the deep state part of the State Department and they all hate Trump, plus a few more things he's done that simply annoy me.

Besides all that, if true and Tillerson is eventually gone, then a State Department headed by Mike Pompeo with the CIA headed by Tom Cotton, is a major and huge plus for our country and for Donald J. Trump.

[elysiantraveller]

I do not know if this story is 'true' or 'fake', I really don't.

I did predict in this very thread that Tillerson will be gone by January so if the story is true, it will not surprise me. I actually welcome it.

Personally I believe Tillerson should get fired for a few reasons that I also have mentioned in the past. I think Tillerson did call Trump a moron; he's also a global warming idiot; he has too many ties in the deep state part of the State Department and they all hate Trump, plus a few more things he's done that simply annoy me.

Besides all that, if true and Tillerson is eventually gone, then a State Department headed by Mike Pompeo with the CIA headed by Tom Cotton, is a major and huge plus for our country and for Donald J. Trump.

I agree that you are correct and he gone sooner than later. I disagree that it's a smart move but we do agree he can't stay. I don't think Pompeo, a known neocon, is the answer.

[FantasticDan]

https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/941831495433383936

[elysiantraveller]

https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/941831495433383936

How did I miss this?!?!

I saw the Tillerson statement and thiught that made sense but missed the White House totally undercutting him again

Bye Rex...

[Tom]

Talks with the Great Wall would be more productive.
To even thing about negotiating with Kim Dung Pyle is moronic.
The little bastard only understand pain.

His word it worthless and it is a waste of time trying.
All that does it stall for him.

What does Tilly think he is, human?:pound:

[Lemon Drop Husker]

How did I miss this?!?!

I saw the Tillerson statement and thiught that made sense but missed the White House totally undercutting him again

Bye Rex...

Yes.

When Vox talks, idiots listen.

[elysiantraveller]

Yes.

When Vox talks, idiots listen.

This is getting tiresome constantly not believing something because of where it's posted from when infowars is a commonly sourced place around these parts.

Reuters good enough for you?

The White House and Tillersons 72 hour reversal. (https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1E72HW)

[woodtoo]

They had a meeting today, he's so gone!:lol:

[fast4522]

They had a meeting today, he's so gone!:lol:

I tend to agree with you, and think the guy started the thread is more likely to move on before Rex Tillerson moves on.

[chadk66]

I tend to agree with you, and think the guy started the thread is more likely to move on before Rex Tillerson moves on.agreed. It's Trump playing the media once again. :pound:

[PaceAdvantage]

This is getting tiresome constantly not believing something because of where it's posted from when infowars is a commonly sourced place around these parts.[/URL]I may have missed a lot as I haven't been on much this week, but I have to call you on this.

Commonly sourced? I don't think so.

Rethink it.

[elysiantraveller]

I may have missed a lot as I haven't been on much this week, but I have to call you on this.

Commonly sourced? I don't think so.

Rethink it.

The majority of stuff linked here is from sites that are so far right they're are admittedly biased to their leadership. They aren't news outlets they are actual movements. It goes both ways but the left is very much under represented here.

I actively try to source from AP, Reuters, Politico, and non-partisan think tanks.

I find something worth sharing I cross reference to affirm it's veracity before just posting the latest from a Red State, Mother Jones, Huffpost, or Breitbart.

[PaceAdvantage]

It was a gratuitous shot...you know it.

I hardly ever see people posting something from infowars...that's all I'm saying.

[FantasticDan]

Party at Rex’s house tonight! :headbanger: :p

[FantasticDan]

https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/973542881716854784

[elysiantraveller]

Went on longer than I thought but...

Put another in the prediction column.

[woodtoo]

Rex Tillerson did a fine job as Secretary of State and
will be sorely missed. Thank you Mr. Tillerson.:ThmbUp:

[Ocala Mike]

Who's next? My money's on Mr. Magoo.

[PaceAdvantage]

Went on longer than I thought but...

Put another in the prediction column.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS_Ub-2RQpy8CcsdpAtbJSEwcPrC2naq1V1QaZM780EBBIXTZTi

[woodtoo]

Went on longer than I thought but...

Put another in the prediction column.

:lol:

[PaceAdvantage]

Went on longer than I thought but...

Put another in the prediction column.

https://i.imgflip.com/j214c.jpg

[elysiantraveller]

Thanks guys... I'm touched! :)

Post #2 in the thread...

I would not count on anything elysiantraveller posts as being close to an outcome, his hate for this administration runs deeper than anything that can be found at the anti Trump rallies.

[Tom]

OK Dan, you continuous search loop finally paid off.
Of course it would you who posts it first.

Now, go wash your hands.....show's over.

[chadk66]

Tillerson's half life has to be there already hasn't it?

[BaffertsWig]

Who's next? My money's on Mr. Magoo.

D0tard Drumpf

[FantasticDan]

OK Dan, you continuous search loop finally paid off.
Of course it would you who posts it first.

Um.. okay? :confused:

Sorry, I know coherence is a struggle for you. Keep trying :ThmbUp:

[reckless]

Thanks guys... I'm touched! :)

Post #2 in the thread...

You were the one that started this thread, dated 10-1-17.

But you didn't predict anything. You only linked a Politico story about Tillerson's status.

Your numerous posts since the initial one was simply knocking Trump, mentioning Mattis being at odds with Trump, etc., etc., etc. Nothing substantive which is par for your course.

Again and again you gave us useless posts -- none of them stating that Tillerson will specifically leave.

BUT, once again, it was me that proved to be just about the lone light of correct and critical thinking.

I leave the silliness and the juvenile self-flagellation to you, which you have proven to be most adept. You should re-think your back patting, after you read this post and prediction:


I predict Rex Tillerson is gone by the first month of 2018, if not sooner.

He's a cinch and a mortal lock to leave way, way before the great first term of Trump's end.

You can go to the bank on this. Again, I repeat: Tillerson is a mortal lock to be gone, sooner or later is up to him.

My prediction --NOT a linked story as you did-- came just three days after you made you original post.

You're welcome.

[elysiantraveller]

You were the one that started this thread, dated 10-1-17.

But you didn't predict anything. You only linked a Politico story about Tillerson's status.

Your numerous posts since the initial one was simply knocking Trump, mentioning Mattis being at odds with Trump, etc., etc., etc. Nothing substantive which is par for your course.

Again and again you gave us useless posts -- none of them stating that Tillerson will specifically leave.

BUT, once again, it was me that proved to be just about the lone light of correct and critical thinking.

I leave the silliness and the juvenile self-flagellation to you, which you have proven to be most adept. You should re-think your back patting, after you read this post and prediction:

My prediction --NOT a linked story as you did-- came just three days after you made you original post.

You're welcome.

You got it right too. I recall the conversation. Props. :cool:

[FantasticDan]

https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/973565294139625472

[reckless]

You got it right too. I recall the conversation. Props. :cool:

Thanks elysian...really.

A gripe of mine with many of Trump's picks is actually pretty simple -- I do not believe many of them actually voted for him!

I know Cohn did not, pretty sure McMaster didn't either, with Mattis and Tillerson on the fence, with a probable no.

One cannot be for the Iran deal as Rex was -- especially after a presidential campaign where Trump was saying daily he was getting rid of it.

Good move firing Tillerson. Much better news naming Pompeo to replace him.

[boxcar]

Thanks elysian...really.

A gripe of mine with many of Trump's picks is actually pretty simple -- I do not believe many of them actually voted for him!

I know Cohn did not, pretty sure McMaster didn't either, with Mattis and Tillerson on the fence, with a probable no.

One cannot be for the Iran deal as Rex was -- especially after a presidential campaign where Trump was saying daily he was getting rid of it.

Good move firing Tillerson. Much better news naming Pompeo to replace him.

Absolutely a good move! In the real world, when you join an organization and you're found to not be a team player, you'll be told it's time to pack your gear and move on.

[Tom]

Um.. okay? :confused:

Sorry, I know coherence is a struggle for you. Keep trying :ThmbUp:

Of course it would be YOU who posts...

If you couldn't figure that one out, no wonder you rely on the tweets of twits for you opinions! :pound::pound::pound:

[FantasticDan]

Of course it would be YOU who posts...
Why? I haven't been a regular in this thread. You make no sense.

[JustRalph]

Go behind Trumps back......this is what you get.

[boxcar]

Go behind Trumps back......this is what you get.

Most especially when it affects a campaign promise about something as important as Iran. I bet Trump did not appreciate that.

[jocko699]

" Rex, you're just not a wartime consigliere but Pompeo is."

[Tom]

" Rex, you're just not a wartime consigliere but Pompeo is."

"You can go now, Rex, but leave the cannolis."

[HalvOnHorseracing]

Absolutely a good move! In the real world, when you join an organization and you're found to not be a team player, you'll be told it's time to pack your gear and move on.

I'd like to know what inspired him to call Trump a "f***g moron," especially in the company of people who were sure to tell the world what he said.

[cordoba]

humm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrYYDyuuKHE

[Big Russ]

Go behind Trumps back......this is what you get.

I hear what you're saying, and I know Rex knew what was coming. That still doesn't mean I want my President to can anyone via twitter. I'm going to predict that the cumulative effect on showing no class will erode Trump's support base enough to cost him the House this fall. And if he thinks they won't impeach him, he's not the genius he thinks he is.

[Clocker]

When Tillerson was appointed SecState, Nancy Pelosi said that was proof that Trump was soft on Russia and too friendly with Vladimir Putin.

Pelosi now warns that Tillerson being fired is proof that Trump is soft on Russia and too friendly with Vladimir Putin.

Maybe she could get a job writing for SNL. :popcorn:

http://freebeacon.com/politics/pelosi-saw-tillersons-hiring-firing-proof-trump-obeys-putin/

[FantasticDan]

https://youtu.be/v47ocD2vfJY

[reckless]

I'd like to know what inspired him to call Trump a "f***g moron," especially in the company of people who were sure to tell the world what he said.

Halvy, as I see it... NO ONE at Exxon ever said a word about what Rex Tillerson said or did -- at anytime, anyplace.

I am willing to bet that Tillerson thought by calling Trump a f...ing moron, (1) no one would question both his opinion and lack of class behind it; and (2) no one would fire him for making such a stupid statement.

Tillerson was CEO at Exxon for about 14-15 years and president before that. He thought he was smarter than Trump and that Trump worked for him.

[Tom]

Why? I haven't been a regular in this thread. You make no sense.

Your trolling knows no thread boundaries. Something perceived to be negative about Trump would be on your radar.

[Tom]

They all serve at the pleasure of the President.
They all leave at his pleasure.

It's process.

Results are worth talking about.

[FantasticDan]

:lol: :lol:

https://twitter.com/todddracula/status/973753124069498881

[woodtoo]

:lol: :lol:

https://twitter.com/todddracula/status/973753124069498881

That a shit cherry on top eh dan.

[Tom]

Todd DRACULA!?

What about Frank N. Stein?
Wolfe Mann?
:pound::pound::pound::pound:

[PaceAdvantage]

Does Todd Dracula train on the NYRA circuit? I seem to remember...

[FantasticDan]

:lol: :bang:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjHrDQrVR_w

[ReplayRandall]

They're both dumbasses for trading barbs with each other....Screw'em both...:bang:

[sammy the sage]

They're both dumbasses for trading barbs with each other....Screw'em both...:bang:

I'd pay to see that....:pound::lol:...

oh wait...in today's politically correct society...I shouldn't write that...that's the advice Kevin Hart would give me....ouch....:faint::rolleyes:

[Ocala Mike]

They should bring back dueling as a means to settle political scores, insults, and other affronts. On second thought, there would be a run on gloves with which to slap Trump's face.

[JustRalph]

Trump uses twitter to control the daily message and meme. But this was stupid........

[reckless]

Trump's response to failed Secy of State Tillerson may seem stupid to some on here but it has probably kept Tillerson off all those boring unfair and unbalanced Sunday talk shows.

Imagine if Trump said nothing about Rex's cheap shot and unfair criticism? All we'd see this weekend would be Rex repeating and repeating this classless anti-Trump stupidity. Rex didn't do a good job plain and simple. Public comments calling Trump names such as 'effing moron' was wrong on Rex's part. But he wrongfully got a pass for all that by the media and the political class.

Tillerson was also a tool of Brennan, Clapper and the others in the anti-USA State Department and alphabet agencies. He did not serve the best interests of Trump and the country as he swore to upheld. And now, he wants a few more seconds of 'fame'. His legacy at Exxon is set; also set is his poor tenure, poor leadership. poor judgement at the State Department.

Once again, Trump did the right thing

[lamboguy]

Tillerson not that dumb, he avoided paying $60 million in taxes legitimately, just by working for Trump for a full year. nice country we have.

[barahona44]

. He did not serve the best interests of Trump and the country as he swore to upheld.

Interesting you put Trump's name first before country in that sentence.I get the impression that's the order of priority for most politicians.

[woodtoo]

:lol: :bang:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjHrDQrVR_w

You thought Pres.Trump was a show poodle, he's a pitbull.
You would think people would learn.:faint:

[JustRalph]

Tillerson not that dumb, he avoided paying $60 million in taxes legitimately, just by working for Trump for a full year. nice country we have.

Appears to be his true motivation after his time at State.

[PaceAdvantage]

Who cares.

Not me.

[FantasticDan]

I love him! I hate him! He's great! He sucks! :confused: :confused:

What a twisted **** :lol:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/12/dumb-as-a-rock-5-times-trump-insulted-people-he-appointed.html

When Donald Trump was first considering Rex Tillerson for the role of secretary of State, back in December of 2016, he tweeted that the former Exxon Mobil CEO was a “world class player and dealmaker.” Two days later, Trump made his decision, tweeting that he’d “chosen one of the truly great business leaders of the world, Rex Tillerson” to be secretary of State. And two months after that, following Tillerson’s confirmation, Trump declared that he would “be a star!”

Last week, Trump questioned Tillerson’s mental capacity, called him “ dumb as a rock,” and said he was “lazy as hell.”

By now, this pattern is familiar. Trump praises someone when he hires them and dumps on them once he’s fired them. Any normal person might hesitate to publicly contradict their initial assessment to avoid exposing their terrible judgement. But that’s too complicated an idea for Trump. The people who work for him are good (with one notable exception) and once he fires them they’re bad.

[PaceAdvantage]

Lock him up!

[Buckeye]

I'd have to say not long, but he's already gone!

One of my favorite Eagles songs.