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magwell
09-20-2017, 01:46 PM
Boxing is officially dead after these last two PPV fights, reminds me of how men are now wearing women's pants now days showing ankle bone and wearing make up .....:confused:

CincyHorseplayer
09-20-2017, 04:26 PM
Great fight too. We were going to get a rematch no matter what the outcome and they pull that BS draw.

Marshall Bennett
09-20-2017, 04:42 PM
Boxing's been dead to me for about 20 years now. Particularly the heavyweight division.

Jess Hawsen Arown
09-20-2017, 04:53 PM
Great fight too. We were going to get a rematch no matter what the outcome and they pull that BS draw.

I don't follow boxing like I used to, but BS decisions have been around forever.

CincyHorseplayer
09-20-2017, 07:41 PM
I don't follow boxing like I used to, but BS decisions have been around forever.

I've been following since I was a teenager but they seem to be even more commonplace nowadays. Because it has been so egregious in the last 20 years IMO it has opened the door wide for other fight sports. Boxing has nobody to blame but itself.

The other thing is the 10 point must scoring system. In close fights judges split hairs instead of scoring a round 10-10. It leads to these bizarre results IMO. 10-10 scoring is allowed but rarely ever utilized. If you had a 10 round bout that was 100-100 it would have been either a fight of the year candidate or both fighters should be docked purse money!

ronsmac
09-20-2017, 10:05 PM
I don't follow boxing like I used to, but BS decisions have been around forever.Agreed, especially in the Don King era of the 70s thru the 90s. Some of the biggest fights of the year were total fix jobs. Ali-Norton III, Whitaker- Jose Luis Ramirez, Whitaker-Chavez, Lewis-Holyfield I are just a few. I'd be up all night if I listed every terrible decision I've seen.

Marshall Bennett
09-21-2017, 06:19 AM
To this day I feel Foreman was afraid of hurting Ali in Zaire. Ali was viewed almost as a god by the natives there. Foreman obviously became transformed being surrounded by it while training there. Had he destroyed Ali as he did Frazier, would he even have made it out of the arena alive? His only hope was to win with a tactical strategy using "boxing" skills, which totally contradicted his game and style. While I wouldn't go as far as to say he threw the fight, his fear for his safety seemed to play a role in approaching it.

Inner Dirt
09-21-2017, 08:33 AM
Boxing is officially dead after these last two PPV fights, reminds me of how men are now wearing women's pants now days showing ankle bone and wearing make up .....:confused:

How can you say boxing is dead after the Mayweather-McGregor farce got 5 million PPV buys at $89.95 each?

Jess Hawsen Arown
09-21-2017, 10:01 AM
To this day I feel Foreman was afraid of hurting Ali in Zaire. Ali was viewed almost as a god by the natives there. Foreman obviously became transformed being surrounded by it while training there. Had he destroyed Ali as he did Frazier, would he even have made it out of the arena alive? His only hope was to win with a tactical strategy using "boxing" skills, which totally contradicted his game and style. While I wouldn't go as far as to say he threw the fight, his fear for his safety seemed to play a role in approaching it.

I never heard anyone say that before. I disagree. First of all, the minister-like George we all love today, is a lot different than the really nasty guy he was back then. I remember seeing Ali in an interview years later how it was all about styles. How come he had such problems with Frazier, and such an easy time with Foreman while Foreman destroyed Frazier?

Foreman and Frazier were somewhat similar in style, and Foreman dominated because he was so much bigger. Ali was way to fast for Foreman. While Frazier was no speed demon, he was faster than Foreman and a smaller target for Ali.

I don't automatically rubber stamp athletes who participated in events because we who watch sporting event have a different perspective. But in this case, I agree.

Inner Dirt
09-21-2017, 10:27 AM
I never heard anyone say that before. I disagree. First of all, the minister-like George we all love today, is a lot different than the really nasty guy he was back then. I remember seeing Ali in an interview years later how it was all about styles. How come he had such problems with Frazier, and such an easy time with Foreman while Foreman destroyed Frazier?

Foreman and Frazier were somewhat similar in style, and Foreman dominated because he was so much bigger. Ali was way to fast for Foreman. While Frazier was no speed demon, he was faster than Foreman and a smaller target for Ali.

I don't automatically rubber stamp athletes who participated in events because we who watch sporting event have a different perspective. But in this case, I agree.

Ali beating Foreman was all about rope-a-dope. True that Foreman was slower than Frazier. Anyone with Frazier's style leading with his chin and taking two to land one isn't going to work well with George Foreman. Also true that the young George was 180 degrees different that the current one.

magwell
09-21-2017, 11:30 AM
How can you say boxing is dead after the Mayweather-McGregor farce got 5 million PPV buys at $89.95 each?
It was all hype and proves my point, it was a clown hyped fight made popular by media and smart promotion......IMO