Pletcher wins Trainer title at Saratoga

[linrom1]

At the beginning of the meet few would give Pletcher a chance to win trainer title at Saratoga. But he did it despite the meet being biased to favor Chad Brown.

Unbelievable!

[cj]

I know I'm thrilled for the guy overcoming such a tough situation. Having only 2,500 horses it seemed impossible. Way to go Todd.

[GMB@BP]

I know I'm thrilled for the guy overcoming such a tough situation. Having only 2,500 horses it seemed impossible. Way to go Todd.

lmao

Yea, the chess game of scratches and only running when you are going to be 5/1 or less was thrilling this meet between the two super barns, which even the most unbiased observer would admit has hurt the overall quality of that meet.

[Ruffian1]

I know I'm thrilled for the guy overcoming such a tough situation. Having only 2,500 horses it seemed impossible. Way to go Todd.

:D

[linrom1]

I know I'm thrilled for the guy overcoming such a tough situation. Having only 2,500 horses it seemed impossible. Way to go Todd.

At least he doesn't make stupid speed figures, he actually does something useful in racing.

[GMB@BP]

At least he doesn't make stupid speed figures, he actually does something useful in racing.

must be a family member

Its an accomplishment for him, so good work for his team.

That being said I think the situation is terrible for racing.

[cj]

At least he doesn't make stupid speed figures, he actually does something useful in racing.

Say hi to Uncle Todd for me.

[Fager Fan]

I know I'm thrilled. I like to see either one beaten. It's hard to pull for trainers who aren't really training their horses.

[Ruffian1]

At the beginning of the meet few would give Pletcher a chance to win trainer title at Saratoga. But he did it despite the meet being biased to favor Chad Brown.

Unbelievable!


Have him start LESS horses than some trainers and win it.

No trick in out starting everyone else with the most expensive stock on the east coast.

And busting on what CJ does for a living?

Really?

One could argue that CJ does more for the game than Todd. He certainly does more for the customer.

But why drag Todd into this.

It is you that wrote that nonsense not him.

Classy post.:rolleyes:

[n.c]

what is the ROI on the horses that Brown and Pletcher have, ie if they paid total $25 million per year for the horses, how much is coming back on that 20 million investment.
RACE 1Pletcher had a 1 mill dollar horse today, out of the money, on a muddy track.
RACe 2- paid 250,000
RAce 3- paid 150,000


Race 6-$ 350,000
Race 9-$330,000
Race 9-$ 600,000

his owners paid $2.5 million on the horses he ran today

[Fager Fan]

what is the ROI on the horses that Brown and Pletcher have, ie if they paid total $25 million per year for the horses, how much is coming back on that 20 million investment.
RACE 1Pletcher had a 1 mill dollar horse today, out of the money, on a muddy track.
RACe 2- paid 250,000
RAce 3- paid 150,000


Race 6-$ 350,000
Race 9-$330,000
Race 9-$ 600,000

his owners paid $2.5 million on the horses he ran today

Why oh why can't the TRA put together stats like this? The non-thoughtful racing press just looks who's in the top 3 to find their Eclipse finalists every year. It's nauseating. Smaller trainers, owners, jocks, breeders all deserve consideration, particularly in the trainer category where the assistants of Brown and Pletcher are doing as much training (if not more) than the guy's whose name they train under.

[n.c]

is almost a billionaire game...if you are worth 1 million dollars, you cannot run a horse in Saratoga...

You might have to go to Sam Houston to run a horse.

[RunForTheRoses]

what is the ROI on the horses that Brown and Pletcher have, ie if they paid total $25 million per year for the horses, how much is coming back on that 20 million investment.
RACE 1Pletcher had a 1 mill dollar horse today, out of the money, on a muddy track.
RACe 2- paid 250,000
RAce 3- paid 150,000


Race 6-$ 350,000
Race 9-$330,000
Race 9-$ 600,000

his owners paid $2.5 million on the horses he ran today

In G3 Smarty Jones, Todd started $700K purchase which lost to $90K purchase, not saying it is the be all and end all but...

[Fager Fan]

We could put the trainers in StableAlert and record the horses who start, but I'd really love to have all the horses in the trainers' barns so we can see how many never make a start.

[Afleet]

At least he doesn't make stupid speed figures, he actually does something useful in racing.

burn a lot of capital?

[Afleet]

What happened to One Liner?

[GMB@BP]

Pletcher was an impressive 2/33 in graded stakes.

[CincyHorseplayer]

What a scrap!I don't think anybody here underestimated Uncle Todd though!

And how about 3 guys on the win leaderboard with less than 40 starters and big win %. Jason Servis(11 for 35-31%), Danny Gargan(10 for 38-26%) and Charlton Baker(9 for 32-28%). I was looking at this this morning. I knew the first 2. Gargan has been a go to for me personally at this meet. Was totally unaware of Baker. Great work.

[sour grapes]

add in george weaver who always has a great saratoga meet the past 6-7 years.

[Cholly]

Notice NYRA stalwarts Christophe Clement and Shug McGaughey each posting only 4 wins and 10% win-percentages. Maybe with their clients they don't feel pressured to show up big at Saratoga? Maybe look for them to have big meets at Belmont?

[PaceAdvantage]

At least he doesn't make stupid speed figures, he actually does something useful in racing.Oh my! :pound:

[Tom]

Originally Posted by linrom1 View Post
At least he doesn't make stupid speed figures, he actually does something useful in racing.

Like what?
Seems to me trainers like him are the PROBLEM with racing.
We could do fine if Todd left the game game today.
In fact, racing would be better for it.
Even better if he took Chad with him.

And, I can dream right?
Take the Ortiz brothers with them.

[burnsy]

Here's the problem with horse players.........Don't blame the player, blame the game.

Todd Pletcher and Chad Brown are great trainers, they are allowed to operate the way they do.........they are allowed to have umpteen clients and a million horses. There are no rules, no regulations against what they do.

Every other major league, popular sport bends over backwards to please their fans, unless its a safety issue.

Do you guys see the bigger picture?.......it goes way, way beyond Todd and Chad and is an inherent problem with this game.

Many times we are just "complainers" and being a loyal customer does not count. You may pay 8 to 10 bucks for a beer at a football game but the coach and owner are not in charge of half of the competition. Chew that over...,.:popcorn:

I heard Bill Belichick was available to coach the Patriots, Broncos, Steelers and Ravens.....Hell, a couple of them are in the same division.......we will have to change the schedules........:lol:

The current standards of horse racing , are great for horse racing in 2017? Really? The players are just playing the game.

There are less horses now, not more. But they get more than ever........Gee, no conflict of interest there? Give me an F'n break!

[MonmouthParkJoe]

What a scrap!I don't think anybody here underestimated Uncle Todd though!

And how about 3 guys on the win leaderboard with less than 40 starters and big win %. Jason Servis(11 for 35-31%), Danny Gargan(10 for 38-26%) and Charlton Baker(9 for 32-28%). I was looking at this this morning. I knew the first 2. Gargan has been a go to for me personally at this meet. Was totally unaware of Baker. Great work.

Baker is one of the most underrated horsemen in NY. Does very well with what he has. Very easy to root for.

[TheOracle]

At the beginning of the meet few would give Pletcher a chance to win trainer title at Saratoga. But he did it despite the meet being biased to favor Chad Brown.

Unbelievable!

Pletcher may have won the title but for the true Trainer champ, the people's champ, I would have to give the nod to D G Donk based on a minumum of 50 starts or better at Saratoga!!!


http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2216845#post2216845


If you played all of Pletcher's horses across the board it would have cost you $990 and you would have lost 15% of your investment

http://www.insidethenumbers.net/images/comments/t a pletchersaroverall.jpg

One of the best times to play Pletcher at Saratoga was when he entered horses on the Dirt with Morning Lines less than 3-1 especially during the months of August and September

http://www.insidethenumbers.net/images/comments/t a pletcherlssthrsepaqusar.jpg

You got a 26% return on your money, although his horses went 1 for 7 to close out the season, you ended up making a profit in this situation for the months of August and September!!!


Playing Brown's horses across the board at Saratoga didn't fare any better as it would have cost you $948 and you would have lost 19% on your money

http://www.insidethenumbers.net/images/comments/c c brownsaroverall.jpg

Compare both to D G Donk's overall record at Saratoga

http://www.insidethenumbers.net/images/comments/d g donksarchamp.jpg

You got a 46% return per $2 win place and show wager if you wagered on all of Donk's horses across the board this season at Saratoga!!!

What is truly impressive is that show wagering got you the best return at 67.1% per $2 show wager for the entire season!!!

His horses gave you the most bang for your buck across the board!!!

[GMB@BP]

Great stuff Oracle.

Donk has always been super to play, especially if you know when you can eliminate a few of those horses, ROI really goes up.