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maddog42
08-17-2017, 12:47 PM
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-liberals-vehemently-loathe-Trump/answer/Paul-Mainwood?ref=fb


If the shoe were on the other foot.....

Show Me the Wire
08-17-2017, 12:59 PM
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-liberals-vehemently-loathe-Trump/answer/Paul-Mainwood?ref=fb


If the shoe were on the other foot.....

As stated in the opening paragraph, they do not understand their country is a form of democracy, a republic.

Neither do they understand as a form of democracy we can meet with citizens and officials from foreign countries, with some restrictions in times of war and some instances in making foreign policy.

In other words they are upset, because they are ignorant as to structure and rights:bang::bang::bang:

Clocker
08-17-2017, 01:06 PM
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-liberals-vehemently-loathe-Trump/answer/Paul-Mainwood?ref=fb


If the shoe were on the other foot.....

If the shoe were on the other foot, as hypothesized by the writer who is British and has some unspecified experience in this country, then the extremists on the right would continue to loathe Hillary and the other Clintons, just as they do today. And the extremists on the left would reject any criticism of the Clintons as lies, bias and irrational hatred.

Politics as usual. :sleeping:

jimmyb
08-17-2017, 01:20 PM
They want a president like Lincoln who will impose a 40% sales tax. One who declares war on it's own people. Someone who allows outsourcing and government dependency. Someone who doesn't respect the rule of law. That civil disobedience means uncivil action. I'm just getting warmed up.

chadk66
08-17-2017, 01:22 PM
because he's not Hillary

Clocker
08-17-2017, 01:24 PM
because he's not Hillary
Which is the only reason he is in the White House today!

JustRalph
08-17-2017, 02:18 PM
Which is the only reason he is in the White House today!

16 others weren't Hillary and he beat them?

Another discussion I guess. Btw, I was a Ted Cruz guy. But no way he was ever going to get elected.

Show Me the Wire
08-17-2017, 02:23 PM
16 others weren't Hillary and he beat them

It seems everyone forgets that important fact.

Clocker
08-17-2017, 02:41 PM
16 others weren't Hillary and he beat them?



Shows how weak the fields were on both sides of thee aisle. :p

Tom
08-17-2017, 05:54 PM
Trump is not afraid to rock the boat.
Liberal love people who can't communicate and area dependent.
Trump is not about that.

He is a threat to the 80% of them who are freeloaders and the 20% who get rich off of them.

The very words "make America great again" sends shivers up the spot in the back of a liber where his spine would be, if he had one.
Liberal blame America for everything. Remember the Kenyan Klown
told us we didn't make that. He apologized to the world for us.

No, they hate Trump because he represents success, pride, the very things the left hates.

And most of them are idiots.

Jess Hawsen Arown
08-17-2017, 05:54 PM
The liberals have no idea why President Trump is so popular.

And its a waste of time to try to explain it to them because they won't even try to understand.

Tom
08-17-2017, 05:55 PM
Shows how weak the fields were on both sides of thee aisle. :p

Best GOP candidate since Ronaldo Maximus.

Jess Hawsen Arown
08-17-2017, 06:01 PM
Trump is not afraid to rock the boat.
Liberal love people who can't communicate and area dependent.
Trump is not about that.

He is a threat to the 80% of them who are freeloaders and the 20% who get rich off of them.

The very words "make America great again" sends shivers up the spot in the back of a liber where his spine would be, if he had one.
Liberal blame America for everything. Remember the Kenyan Klown
told us we didn't make that. He apologized to the world for us.

No, they hate Trump because he represents success, pride, the very things the left hates.

And most of them are idiots.

The Democratic Party voters are:
1) The very rich
2) Criminals
3) Socialists
4) Those dependent on the government
5) Those who have never voted for anyone other than straight Democratic Party tickets their entire lives -- and are mentally incapable of doing otherwise.

Tom
08-17-2017, 06:06 PM
6) Sexual deviants

elysiantraveller
08-17-2017, 07:03 PM
The liberals have no idea why President Trump is so popular.

And its a waste of time to try to explain it to them because they won't even try to understand.

Truth is Trump isn't very popular... you can wander over to 538 and see that. I know you'll respond with Fake News or bad Pollsters but everything on there is completely transparent about how they formulate their results.

Clocker
08-17-2017, 07:09 PM
Truth is Trump isn't very popular... you can wander over to 538 and see that. I know you'll respond with Fake News or bad Pollsters but everything on there is completely transparent about how they formulate their results.
The NY Post, by no means a liberal paper, reports Trump's current job approval rating is 35%.

http://nypost.com/2017/08/16/trumps-approval-rating-sinks-to-lowest-point-yet/ (http://nypost.com/2017/08/16/trumps-approval-rating-sinks-to-lowest-point-yet/)

maddog42
08-17-2017, 07:37 PM
As stated in the opening paragraph, they do not understand their country is a form of democracy, a republic.

Neither do they understand as a form of democracy we can meet with citizens and officials from foreign countries, with some restrictions in times of war and some instances in making foreign policy.

In other words they are upset, because they are ignorant as to structure and rights:bang::bang::bang:

Wow! you are a fount of info. I didn't know any of these things! Please enlighten me further and I will be eternally grateful!

Show Me the Wire
08-17-2017, 07:41 PM
Wow! you are a fount of info. I didn't know any of these things! Please enlighten me further and I will be eternally grateful!

Maybe you do? I was responding to the info in the piece. Very apparent they are upset, because they are ignorant of the type of democracy they live in and the rights accorded to all of its citizens.

Oh that is right the dems don't want people who disagree with the agenda to be able to exercise Constitutional rights. My bad, I forgot. Sorry for attributing the loathing to ignorance of rights versus oppression of rights.

jimmyb
08-17-2017, 07:45 PM
That's 35% more than Hillary.

MutuelClerk
08-17-2017, 07:58 PM
Same reason the right hated Obama. Party before country. Easy.

incoming
08-17-2017, 08:04 PM
The NY Post, by no means a liberal paper, reports Trump's current job approval rating is 35%.

http://nypost.com/2017/08/16/trumps-approval-rating-sinks-to-lowest-point-yet/ (http://nypost.com/2017/08/16/trumps-approval-rating-sinks-to-lowest-point-yet/)

That number doesn't have a meaning....what politician would like to run against him. So far in his political career he has beat all comers. I would think that the only politician that has a chance would be his VP. I would also think that the press would have lower popularity, they would probably be in the teens, they are his biggest adversary. Also, Congress would have lower numbers, I would guess in the twenties. So, who is this fictitious person running against Trump. Choose anyone, I'll take the bulldog.:)

Clocker
08-17-2017, 08:49 PM
That number doesn't have a meaning....

It means that a lot of people that voted for him are not very impressed with the way he has been doing his job lately.

Lemon Drop Husker
08-17-2017, 09:12 PM
Same reason the right hated Obama. Party before country. Easy.

I have never "hated" Obama.

I can say this though; I do "hate" his most ardent supporters as the blind sheep of everything that is wrong in this country.

Watching and hearing our "news" on a daily basis, including social media, is extremely disturbing. Our masses have been given an outlet for hate..., and hate is what our fellow American does best.

boxcar
08-17-2017, 09:28 PM
Shows how weak the fields were on both sides of thee aisle. :p

Oh...if only the true savior of the nation hadn't been cheated by Hillary and the DNC -- where there was some real palatable collusion going on -- this country would be so much better by now. For one thing...we'd already have single payer health care on the law books. :coffee:

incoming
08-17-2017, 09:38 PM
It means that a lot of people that voted for him are not very impressed with the way he has been doing his job lately.

Maybe...until you give him a opponent.

kevb
08-18-2017, 06:51 AM
Because he is a compulsive liar, delusional, pathologically narcissistic, and generally batsh*t crazy.

kevb
08-18-2017, 06:57 AM
By the way, I don't hate him. His lies and ego-maniacal antics are often amusing. But he is clearly not fit to be president.

newtothegame
08-18-2017, 08:03 AM
By the way, I don't hate him. His lies and ego-maniacal antics are often amusing. But he is clearly not fit to be president.
Do tell what it means to be "fit" to be president?? And, your qualifications to make such a judgement....
Maybe toss in the qualifications a president should have.....
(waiting).....:faint:

Clocker
08-18-2017, 09:06 AM
Maybe toss in the qualifications a president should have.....
(waiting).....:faint:

The ability to work with a Congress controlled by his own party to pass major legislation that they all want? :rolleyes:

kevb
08-18-2017, 10:12 AM
Do tell what it means to be "fit" to be president?? And, your qualifications to make such a judgement....
Maybe toss in the qualifications a president should have.....
(waiting).....:faint:

Here is the opinion of 50 very qualified individuals
http://bit.ly/2fRD3R9

STATEMENT BY FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY OFFICIALS
The undersigned individuals have all served in senior national security
and/or foreign policy positions in Republican Administrations, from
Richard Nixon to George W. Bush. We have worked directly on
national security issues with these Republican Presidents and/or their
principal advisers during wartime and other periods of crisis, through
successes and failures. We know the personal qualities required of a
President of the United States.
None of us will vote for Donald Trump.
From a foreign policy perspective, Donald Trump is not qualified to be
President and Commander-in-Chief. Indeed, we are convinced that he
would be a dangerous President and would put at risk our country’s
national security and well-being.
Most fundamentally, Mr. Trump lacks the character, values, and
experience to be President. He weakens U.S. moral authority as the
leader of the free world. He appears to lack basic knowledge about and
belief in the U.S. Constitution, U.S. laws, and U.S. institutions,
including religious tolerance, freedom of the press, and an independent
judiciary.
In addition, Mr. Trump has demonstrated repeatedly that he has little
understanding of America’s vital national interests, its complex
diplomatic challenges, its indispensable alliances, and the democratic
values on which U.S. foreign policy must be based. At the same time,
he persistently compliments our adversaries and threatens our allies and
friends. Unlike previous Presidents who had limited experience in
foreign affairs, Mr. Trump has shown no interest in educating
himself. He continues to display an alarming ignorance of basic facts of
contemporary international politics. Despite his lack of knowledge, Mr.
Trump claims that he understands foreign affairs and “knows more
about ISIS than the generals do.”
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Mr. Trump lacks the temperament to be President. In our experience, a
President must be willing to listen to his advisers and department heads;
must encourage consideration of conflicting views; and must
acknowledge errors and learn from them. A President must be
disciplined, control emotions, and act only after reflection and careful
deliberation. A President must maintain cordial relationships with
leaders of countries of different backgrounds and must have their respect
and trust.
In our judgment, Mr. Trump has none of these critical qualities. He is
unable or unwilling to separate truth from falsehood. He does not
encourage conflicting views. He lacks self-control and acts
impetuously. He cannot tolerate personal criticism. He has alarmed our
closest allies with his erratic behavior. All of these are dangerous
qualities in an individual who aspires to be President and Commanderin-
Chief, with command of the U.S. nuclear arsenal.
We understand that many Americans are profoundly frustrated with the
federal government and its inability to solve pressing domestic and
international problems. We also know that many have doubts about
Hillary Clinton, as do many of us. But Donald Trump is not the answer
to America’s daunting challenges and to this crucial election. We are
convinced that in the Oval Office, he would be the most reckless
President in American history.

[QUOTE]Donald B. Ayer
Former Deputy Attorney General
John B. Bellinger III
Former Legal Adviser to the Department of State; former Legal Adviser
to the National Security Council, The White House
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Robert Blackwill
Former Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategic Planning, The
White House
Michael Chertoff
Former Secretary of Homeland Security; former Assistant Attorney
General for the Criminal Division, Department of Justice
Eliot A. Cohen
Former Counselor of the Department of State
Eric Edelman
Former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy; former National Security
Advisor to the Vice President, The White House
Gary Edson
Former Deputy National Security Advisor, The White House
Richard Falkenrath
Former Deputy Homeland Security Advisor, The White House
Peter Feaver
Former Senior Director for Strategic Planning, National Security
Council, The White House
Richard Fontaine
Former Associate Director for Near East Affairs, National Security
Council, The White House
Jendayi Frazer
Former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for
African Affairs; former Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Aaron Friedberg
Former Deputy National Security Advisor to the Vice President, The
White House
David Gordon
Former Director of Policy Planning, Department of State
Michael Green
Former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Asia,
National Security Council, The White House
Brian Gunderson
Former Chief of Staff, Department of State
Paul Haenle
Former Director for China and Taiwan, National Security Council, The
White House
Michael Hayden
Former Director, Central Intelligence Agency; former Director, National
Security Agency
Carla A. Hills
Former U.S. Trade Representative
John Hillen
Former Assistant Secretary of State for Political-Military Affairs
William Inboden
Former Senior Director for Strategic Planning, National Security
Council, The White House
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Reuben Jeffery III
Former Under Secretary of State for Economic Energy and Agricultural
Affairs; former Special Assistant to the President for International
Economic Affairs, National Security Council, The White House
James Jeffrey
Former Deputy National Security Advisor, The White House
Ted Kassinger
Former Deputy Secretary of Commerce
David Kramer
Former Assistant Secretary of State for Democracy, Human Rights, and
Labor
James Langdon
Former Chairman, President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, The
White House
Peter Lichtenbaum
Former Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Export Administration
Mary Beth Long
Former Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs
Clay Lowery
Former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs;
former Director for International Finance, National Security Council,
The White House
Robert McCallum
Former Associate Attorney General; former Ambassador to Australia
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Richard Miles
Former Director for North America, National Security Council, The
White House
Andrew Natsios
Former Administrator, U.S. Agency for International Development
John Negroponte
Former Director of National Intelligence; former Deputy Secretary of
State; former Deputy National Security Advisor
Meghan O’Sullivan
Former Deputy National Security Advisor for Iraq and Afghanistan
Dan Price
Former Deputy National Security Advisor
Tom Ridge
Former Secretary of Homeland Security; former Assistant to the
President for Homeland Security, The White House; former Governor of
Pennsylvania
Nicholas Rostow
Former Legal Adviser to the National Security Council, The White
House
Kori Schake
Former Director for Defense Strategy, National Security Council, The
White House
Kristen Silverberg
Former Assistant Secretary of State for International Organizations
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Stephen Slick
Former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for
Intelligence Programs, National Security Council, The White House
Shirin R. Tahir-Kheli
Former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for
Democracy, Human Rights and International Operations, National
Security Council, The White House; former Ambassador and Senior
Advisor for Women’s Empowerment, Department of State
William H. Taft IV
Former Deputy Secretary of Defense; former Ambassador to NATO
Larry D. Thompson
Former Deputy Attorney General
William Tobey
Former Deputy Administrator, National Nuclear Security
Administration, Department of Energy; former Director for Counter-
Proliferation Strategy, National Security Council, The White House
John Veroneau
Former Deputy U.S. Trade Representative
Kenneth Wainstein
Former Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and
Counterterrorism, The White House; former Assistant Attorney General
for National Security, Department of Justice
Matthew Waxman
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense; former Director for
Contingency Planning and International Justice, National Security
Council, The White House

davew
08-18-2017, 10:18 AM
Because he is a compulsive liar, delusional, pathologically narcissistic, and generally batsh*t crazy.

then do they hate some of their people in Congress?

Track Collector
08-18-2017, 10:25 AM
The ability to work with a Congress controlled by his own party to pass major legislation that they all want? :rolleyes:

This is a two-way street.

Trump is an outsider, and the "insiders" resent having an outsider come into their club. And far be it for an outsider to be successful, especially if subject success comes at the expense of the desires of the insiders and their donor class. Many in the current political environment are two sides of the same coin.

The deliberations to date would tend to suggest that there is smaller common ground than what we might believe, especially when it comes to the party leadership.

DSB
08-18-2017, 10:26 AM
The ability to work with a Congress controlled by his own party to pass major legislation that they all want? :rolleyes:

Not all.

Having never Trumpers like McCain - and McConnell - is why he is having a hard time getting anything done.

Let this be a lesson to the people: If you elect those from outside the establishment, they will be rendered powerless by those inside it.

I fear the next step is the attempt to remove a president who was freely elected by the people.

I would hope that such a "bloodless coup" would not be accepted by the people.

If that happens, extreme civil unrest - if not outright civil war - is inevitable.

Clocker
08-18-2017, 10:48 AM
Not all.

Having never Trumpers like McCain - and McConnell - is why he is having a hard time getting anything done.

All those Senators voted for repeal and replace in the past. Perhaps because at the time they knew Obama would veto any such bill anyway?

The point is not that Trump can't get anything done in Congress, it is that he doesn't seem to be trying. I saw no evidence that Trump or the White House made any effort to get that bill passed, either as is or with compromises.

Unlike past presidents like LBJ, Reagan, or Clinton, who really did understand the art of the deal in Washington, Trump appears to have put himself above the legislative process.

chadk66
08-18-2017, 10:53 AM
Which is the only reason he is in the White House today!that's possible but I doubt it. The people just had enough of entrenched politicians.

DSB
08-18-2017, 11:08 AM
All those Senators voted for repeal and replace in the past. Perhaps because at the time they knew Obama would veto any such bill anyway?

Not perhaps. Precisely. The proof of that is the GOP never had a replacement because they knew they didn't need one. There's more than just a good chance that they delayed it further because they never thought that Trump was going to be elected. SURPRISE!

The point is not that Trump can't get anything done in Congress, it is that he doesn't seem to be trying. I saw no evidence that Trump or the White House made any effort to get that bill passed, either as is or with compromises.

And I see no evidence that he didn't want it to pass. Since we are in the realm of the theoretical, I submit that he may have been swayed by those with genuine concern for a correct solution, ie Rand Paul, Mike Lee, etc. and viewed the bill as a mediocre compromise.

Unlike past presidents like LBJ, Reagan, or Clinton, who really did understand the art of the deal in Washington, Trump appears to have put himself above the legislative process.
LBJ, Reagan, and Clinton were all establishment insiders who enjoyed the support of their parties and whose opposing parties were not bent on the destruction of the Republic. Remember, Trump was elected by the people to curtail what you describe as the "art of the deal in Washington." The legislative process in Washington is one of lobbyists, pork, back room deals and the like. It's not that he doesn't understand that, it's that he doesn't want to participate in that sleazy process.

As a side note, the ruling elite are accomplishing a major goal with their refusal to cooperate with Trump. They are showing any other populists who think they can interfere with "business as usual" in Washington what they will get if elected.

Note to patriots: You have been warned.

reckless
08-18-2017, 12:38 PM
Here is the opinion of 50 very qualified individuals
http://bit.ly/2fRD3R9

STATEMENT BY FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY OFFICIALS
The undersigned individuals have all served in senior national security
and/or foreign policy positions in Republican Administrations, from
Richard Nixon to George W. Bush. We have worked directly on
national security issues with these Republican Presidents and/or their
principal advisers during wartime and other periods of crisis, through
successes and failures. We know the personal qualities required of a
President of the United States.
None of us will vote for Donald Trump.
From a foreign policy perspective, Donald Trump is not qualified to be
President and Commander-in-Chief. Indeed, we are convinced that he
would be a dangerous President and would put at risk our country’s
national security and well-being.
Most fundamentally, Mr. Trump lacks the character, values, and
experience to be President. He weakens U.S. moral authority as the
leader of the free world. He appears to lack basic knowledge about and
belief in the U.S. Constitution, U.S. laws, and U.S. institutions,
including religious tolerance, freedom of the press, and an independent
judiciary.
In addition, Mr. Trump has demonstrated repeatedly that he has little
understanding of America’s vital national interests, its complex
diplomatic challenges, its indispensable alliances, and the democratic
values on which U.S. foreign policy must be based. At the same time,
he persistently compliments our adversaries and threatens our allies and
friends. Unlike previous Presidents who had limited experience in
foreign affairs, Mr. Trump has shown no interest in educating
himself. He continues to display an alarming ignorance of basic facts of
contemporary international politics. Despite his lack of knowledge, Mr.
Trump claims that he understands foreign affairs and “knows more
about ISIS than the generals do.”
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Mr. Trump lacks the temperament to be President. In our experience, a
President must be willing to listen to his advisers and department heads;
must encourage consideration of conflicting views; and must
acknowledge errors and learn from them. A President must be
disciplined, control emotions, and act only after reflection and careful
deliberation. A President must maintain cordial relationships with
leaders of countries of different backgrounds and must have their respect
and trust.
In our judgment, Mr. Trump has none of these critical qualities. He is
unable or unwilling to separate truth from falsehood. He does not
encourage conflicting views. He lacks self-control and acts
impetuously. He cannot tolerate personal criticism. He has alarmed our
closest allies with his erratic behavior. All of these are dangerous
qualities in an individual who aspires to be President and Commanderin-
Chief, with command of the U.S. nuclear arsenal.
We understand that many Americans are profoundly frustrated with the
federal government and its inability to solve pressing domestic and
international problems. We also know that many have doubts about
Hillary Clinton, as do many of us. But Donald Trump is not the answer
to America’s daunting challenges and to this crucial election. We are
convinced that in the Oval Office, he would be the most reckless
President in American history.

[QUOTE]Donald B. Ayer
Former Deputy Attorney General
John B. Bellinger III
Former Legal Adviser to the Department of State; former Legal Adviser
to the National Security Council, The White House
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Robert Blackwill
Former Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategic Planning, The
White House
Michael Chertoff
Former Secretary of Homeland Security; former Assistant Attorney
General for the Criminal Division, Department of Justice
Eliot A. Cohen
Former Counselor of the Department of State
Eric Edelman
Former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy; former National Security
Advisor to the Vice President, The White House
Gary Edson
Former Deputy National Security Advisor, The White House
Richard Falkenrath
Former Deputy Homeland Security Advisor, The White House
Peter Feaver
Former Senior Director for Strategic Planning, National Security
Council, The White House
Richard Fontaine
Former Associate Director for Near East Affairs, National Security
Council, The White House
Jendayi Frazer
Former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for
African Affairs; former Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Aaron Friedberg
Former Deputy National Security Advisor to the Vice President, The
White House
David Gordon
Former Director of Policy Planning, Department of State
Michael Green
Former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Asia,
National Security Council, The White House
Brian Gunderson
Former Chief of Staff, Department of State
Paul Haenle
Former Director for China and Taiwan, National Security Council, The
White House
Michael Hayden
Former Director, Central Intelligence Agency; former Director, National
Security Agency
Carla A. Hills
Former U.S. Trade Representative
John Hillen
Former Assistant Secretary of State for Political-Military Affairs
William Inboden
Former Senior Director for Strategic Planning, National Security
Council, The White House
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Reuben Jeffery III
Former Under Secretary of State for Economic Energy and Agricultural
Affairs; former Special Assistant to the President for International
Economic Affairs, National Security Council, The White House
James Jeffrey
Former Deputy National Security Advisor, The White House
Ted Kassinger
Former Deputy Secretary of Commerce
David Kramer
Former Assistant Secretary of State for Democracy, Human Rights, and
Labor
James Langdon
Former Chairman, President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, The
White House
Peter Lichtenbaum
Former Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Export Administration
Mary Beth Long
Former Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs
Clay Lowery
Former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs;
former Director for International Finance, National Security Council,
The White House
Robert McCallum
Former Associate Attorney General; former Ambassador to Australia
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Richard Miles
Former Director for North America, National Security Council, The
White House
Andrew Natsios
Former Administrator, U.S. Agency for International Development
John Negroponte
Former Director of National Intelligence; former Deputy Secretary of
State; former Deputy National Security Advisor
Meghan O’Sullivan
Former Deputy National Security Advisor for Iraq and Afghanistan
Dan Price
Former Deputy National Security Advisor
Tom Ridge
Former Secretary of Homeland Security; former Assistant to the
President for Homeland Security, The White House; former Governor of
Pennsylvania
Nicholas Rostow
Former Legal Adviser to the National Security Council, The White
House
Kori Schake
Former Director for Defense Strategy, National Security Council, The
White House
Kristen Silverberg
Former Assistant Secretary of State for International Organizations
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Stephen Slick
Former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for
Intelligence Programs, National Security Council, The White House
Shirin R. Tahir-Kheli
Former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for
Democracy, Human Rights and International Operations, National
Security Council, The White House; former Ambassador and Senior
Advisor for Women’s Empowerment, Department of State
William H. Taft IV
Former Deputy Secretary of Defense; former Ambassador to NATO
Larry D. Thompson
Former Deputy Attorney General
William Tobey
Former Deputy Administrator, National Nuclear Security
Administration, Department of Energy; former Director for Counter-
Proliferation Strategy, National Security Council, The White House
John Veroneau
Former Deputy U.S. Trade Representative
Kenneth Wainstein
Former Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and
Counterterrorism, The White House; former Assistant Attorney General
for National Security, Department of Justice
Matthew Waxman
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense; former Director for
Contingency Planning and International Justice, National Security
Council, The White House

Thank you for posting this, kevb.

You've provided many talking points fodder for all you deranged, ill-informed, Trump haters in politics and on this web site!! They thank you, I am sure.

A bunch of long-term, 'bi-partisan', relatively unknown National Security experts all hate Trump. Wow.

Now, let's call a spade a spade here, OK, kevb?

This country has not won a war since V J Day in August 1945 (V E Day was in May 1945). How many police actions, Vietnams, Iraqs, etc., have we had since the Summer of 45? 'Wars' we all lost!

This country was attacked by Islamic terrorists on 9-11-01. There has now been numerous terror attacks since then, as we all know. Where were these clowns? Then and now. Do most Americans feel safe now?

The US has a wide-open door policy on our southern borders that's resulted in about 15 million illegal aliens living among us, contributing very little to our culture and economy. Where were these clowns all these years?

We now know that North Korea has nuclear capabilities beyond anyone's imagination ready to wreck havoc.... despite years and years of this government saying that North Korea is NOT a real threat at all. Where were these clowns all these years?

Iran is another nuclear threat ... a threat that didn't exist until recently, thanks to Obama and the very same National Security advisors you love so much. Where were these clowns all these years?

Our country has devolved into a shit hole these past 25 years, with most of these National Security Advisors in power at the time. You know this, right?

And you buy into the stupidness of these clowns when they say Trump is unfit for the job.

So we have people who failed this country and its citizens in so many different ways for so many, many years and this post of yours supposed to mean something? And they say Trump wasn't worthy of their vote? And you think this matters? What a joke.

rastajenk
08-18-2017, 01:07 PM
One could replace Trump with Obama in every instance in that screed and have a pretty accurate read.

JustRalph
08-18-2017, 04:49 PM
The ability to work with a Congress controlled by his own party to pass major legislation that they all want? :rolleyes:

Senator McConnel, welcome to PA

Clocker
08-18-2017, 05:13 PM
Senator McConnel, welcome to PA

McConnell does seem to be able to work well with his own party either.

lamboguy
08-18-2017, 05:37 PM
the smart liberals all know that Trump is and will be one of the greatest presidents of all time.

i have been waiting my whole life for a guy to lead this country and i finally got one.

Trump will be nothing but great when its all said and done, don't get fooled by what you read and watch.

jms62
08-18-2017, 06:12 PM
the smart liberals all know that Trump is and will be one of the greatest presidents of all time.

i have been waiting my whole life for a guy to lead this country and i finally got one.

Trump will be nothing but great when its all said and done, don't get fooled by what you read and watch.

What odds that he won finish his term?

jimmyb
08-18-2017, 06:46 PM
What odds that he won finish his term?


Many of us liberal democrats in Massachusetts grew weary of the status quo. It's why we voted Trump. We haven't changed our thinking but many of us realize he's being blocked at every turn.

You might be right about him not finishing his term, I'm staying with my president until the end.

fast4522
08-18-2017, 07:30 PM
the smart liberals all know that Trump is and will be one of the greatest presidents of all time.

i have been waiting my whole life for a guy to lead this country and i finally got one.

Trump will be nothing but great when its all said and done, don't get fooled by what you read and watch.

I am with you an this one, what your seeing today is fear. By the time RBG retires you will see desperation unlike anything in the last forty years.

Tom
08-18-2017, 10:51 PM
Trump is fixing the border and the economy after the huge mess the last Kenyan Krap Klown left behind.

He is good for America, which the left hates.

That is why they hate him.
He proves that they and all of their stupid ideas area flat out wrong. He proves they are all irrelevant. At best.

Thebart
08-18-2017, 10:58 PM
My view toward Trump, as I have repeatedly tried to explain, as little to do with poltics and being a liberal. It has to do with 35+ years in the New York City/Connecticut region watching this con-man in action.

The fact is he has always been a what I call an instinctive and compulsive liar. Just in the last couple days the General Pershing story, the story about his non-existent Virginia winery illustrate my point. These are not political stories, they are just made up stories that Trump uses to "sell" himself as having some point of contact with anything someone might mention.
In the business world he screwed people left and right. He got away with it most of the time because a whole lot of inherited wealth gave him the ability to wear-out the "little people" who all too often found it difficult to hang in for the long run and time and money it would take to win. One of the reasons why the Trumps had to start looking offshore for financing was because American banks finally caught on to Trump's shady games.

This past week Trump's discovered a sudden love of monuments and memorials and wants to save 'em all. Years ago when he was demolishing the old Bonwit Teller building in New York in contemplation of building Trump Tower, the Metropolitan Museum of Art wanted to preserve some sculptures built into the frontage of that building. Trump agreed. Then he betrayed his promise when he discovered that saving the sculptures might delay the overall demolition by two weeks. He destroyed the sculptures. But, he didn't use that as his total excuse. He later remarked "we had them appraised and found they weren't worth much." Even if that were true, it has nothing to do with the underlying idea of donating the statues to the museum. Their monetary value was immaterial. I can however, guarantee you he never did have them appraised. Just like he never really sent investigators to Hawaii to look into Obama's birth certificate. How do I know? Because if he did he would present the proof.

I don't know if it will ever happen, but my hope is that all you Trump groupies find a legitimate conservative to support who is smart, honest and will keep his or her words and doesn't have to lie each and ever day to sell his latest scam. You may like what he said in the campaign. You may still like what he says. But make no mistake, you are in bed with a character totally devoid of any ethical value. The man is a fraud.

Dahoss9698
08-18-2017, 11:03 PM
My view toward Trump, as I have repeatedly tried to explain, as little to do with poltics and being a liberal. It has to do with 35+ years in the New York City/Connecticut region watching this con-man in action.

The fact is he has always been a what I call an instinctive and compulsive liar. Just in the last couple days the General Pershing story, the story about his non-existent Virginia winery illustrate my point. These are not political stories, they are just made up stories that Trump uses to "sell" himself as having some point of contact with anything someone might mention.
In the business world he screwed people left and right. He got away with it most of the time because a whole lot of inherited wealth gave him the ability to wear-out the "little people" who all too often found it difficult to hang in for the long run and time and money it would take to win. One of the reasons why the Trumps had to start looking offshore for financing was because American banks finally caught on to Trump's shady games.

This past week Trump's discovered a sudden love of monuments and memorials and wants to save 'em all. Years ago when he was demolishing the old Bonwit Teller building in New York in contemplation of building Trump Tower, the Metropolitan Museum of Art wanted to preserve some sculptures built into the frontage of that building. Trump agreed. Then he betrayed his promise when he discovered that saving the sculptures might delay the overall demolition by two weeks. He destroyed the sculptures. But, he didn't use that as his total excuse. He later remarked "we had them appraised and found they weren't worth much." Even if that were true, it has nothing to do with the underlying idea of donating the statues to the museum. Their monetary value was immaterial. I can however, guarantee you he never did have them appraised. Just like he never really sent investigators to Hawaii to look into Obama's birth certificate. How do I know? Because if he did he would present the proof.

I don't know if it will ever happen, but my hope is that all you Trump groupies find a legitimate conservative to support who is smart, honest and will keep his or her words and doesn't have to lie each and ever day to sell his latest scam. You may like what he said in the campaign. You may still like what he says. But make no mistake, you are in bed with a character totally devoid of any ethical value. The man is a fraud.

How dare you try and bring some sanity into a PA off topic thread!

This is supposed to be where angry guys repeat the same thing over and over every day to try and convince themselves that what they think is right.

ElKabong
08-18-2017, 11:04 PM
Can't recall the last time I agreed with a lengthy post by the Bart.... Certainly agree on this one, well said.

jimmyb
08-18-2017, 11:26 PM
Trump sure is better than this.


“I’m proud of the fact that with two weeks to go, we’re probably the first administration in modern history that hasn’t had a major scandal in the White House.” Barry Obama



Can someone say “Big Lie?”


Benghazi, and the subsequent lies about the video.


Fast and Furious, the assault-rifle-running scheme to Mexican drug cartels that left at least two Americans and God only knows how many Mexicans dead.


“If you like your doctor you can keep….”


Congress allowed to exempt itself from Obamacare.


Cash for Clunkers.


Shovel-ready jobs that Obama admitted weren’t shovel ready – and then laughed about it.


Goes to the Mideast on “apology tour” and refers to America’s “Muslim founding fathers,” none of whom are ever identified.


Solyndra and any number of other phony-baloney companies run by Obama money bundlers that took billions in taxpayer funds and then went belly-up – no prosecutions, zero, nada, nothing.


Secret Service agents soliciting prostitutes, Treasury Department employees soliciting prostitutes, etc.


ISIS is the “j.v.,” and Obama admits he has “no strategy” to deal with them.


Department of Labor uses stimulus funds to run ads on MSNBC shows run by administration parrots Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann.


The Veterans Administration.


Obama sycophant Gov. Terry McAuliffe funnels $500,000 to wife of FBI agent in charge of investigation of Hillary Clinton email-server scandal.


Little Sisters of the Poor sued because of their opposition to abortion.


Administration surveils Fox News reporter James Rosen, tapping his phones and reading his emails.


Sneers at law-abiding citizens as “bitter clingers.”


Signs an executive order allowing millions of criminal illegal aliens to remain in the US after saying publicly 22 times that it would be unconstitutional for him to impose such an order.


Pay to play, at the Clinton Foundation and everywhere else.


Refuses to prosecute New Black Panther Party thugs in Philadelphia for voter intimidation.


Appoints the first attorney general cited for contempt of Congress.


Second attorney general secretly meets with husband of target of major federal criminal probe days before the case is broomed.


Billions in payoffs to bloodthirsty Iranian mullahs, creating failed states in Libya and Syria, the “red line,” the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, unvetted immigrants from terrorist hotbeds, etc. etc.


Bowe Bergdahl – Army deserter traded back to the U.S. in return for five Muslim terrorists at Gitmo.


Massive violations of the civil rights of Tea Party members by the left-wing hacks at the Internal Revenue Service (IRS).


Appoints an admitted tax cheat, Tim Geithner, as Treasury Secretary (which made him boss of the IRS).


Boundless contempt for law enforcement and endless anti-cop rhetoric, starting with the Cambridge police “acted stupidly” and never stopping.


Secretary of State John Forbes Kerry.
Huddles dozens of times in the White House with racial arsonist and tax cheat Al Sharpton.


Describes Muslim terror attack at Fort Hood in which 13 Americans were murdered by a Palestinian as “workplace violence.”


Fires the inspector general of AmeriCorps after he investigated a former NBA player who was a political ally of Soetoro’s.


Fires the inspector general of Amtrak for too effectively probing waste, fraud and abuse.


Runs up more deficits than the previous 43 US presidents – combined.


Pardons or commutes the sentences of scores of machine-gun toting drug dealers – while demanding crackdowns on the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding gun owners.


Refusal to call Islamic terrorists Islamic terrorists.


His EPA dumps millions of gallons of toxic waste from the Gold King Mine disaster into the Animas River in Colorado – an environmental disaster totally ignored by his worshipful stooges in the news media.


White House identifies New England state as “Road Island,”


Obama says“Austrian” is spoken in Austria,



Spends at least $350,000 in public funds trying to “rig” the Israeli elections against conservative Bibi Netanyahu.


Adds 12 million layabouts to the food-stamp rolls.


Says nothing as his vice president – his “brother,” as Obama describes him — publicly gropes a number of women of all ages at the White House.


Yep, he sure was better than Trump.

Tom
08-18-2017, 11:36 PM
Now wait a minute, Trump was way out of line with his "typical Black folks" comment.

Who but a racist would say that?

Dahoss9698
08-19-2017, 08:05 AM
I find it funny JimmyB is able to copy and paste someone else's ideas on Obama but sticks his head in the sand about Trump.

It's okay guys, you don't have to admit you picked a disaster. The level headed people know.

jimmyb
08-19-2017, 08:33 AM
I find it funny JimmyB is able to copy and paste someone else's ideas on Obama but sticks his head in the sand about Trump.

It's okay guys, you don't have to admit you picked a disaster. The level headed people know.

First, they aren't my ideas, they are actual f--- ups of the Obama administration. Evade the truth if you like but facts are facts, and like numbers, the facts on Obama don't lie.

Has any president escaped f--- ups? Carter, Reagan, GW, Johnson, Kennedy, even the great Ike had them. Obama took the cake and is the reason I voted Trump. If indeed Trump has f'd up, it pales in comparison to any past prez I mentioned.

BTW, I am still a registered democrat and have been all of my voting life (43 years).

Clocker
08-19-2017, 09:04 AM
Trump sure is better than this.




And Nixon was better than Hitler.

And a kick in the butt is better than a poke in the face with a sharp stick.

Some of us hope for something better than the lesser of two evils.

jimmyb
08-19-2017, 09:27 AM
And Nixon was better than Hitler.

And a kick in the butt is better than a poke in the face with a sharp stick.

Some of us hope for something better than the lesser of two evils.


It's time to grow up if expect everyone to like you or what you value. I'm sure the past administrations understood this. Obama understands this, an athlete going into a visitors stadium understands this.

Hate on Trump all you like, he is still our president. Nobody said you had to like it and the next election is only 39 months away.

Dahoss9698
08-19-2017, 10:01 AM
First, they aren't my ideas, they are actual f--- ups of the Obama administration. Evade the truth if you like but facts are facts, and like numbers, the facts on Obama don't lie.

Has any president escaped f--- ups? Carter, Reagan, GW, Johnson, Kennedy, even the great Ike had them. Obama took the cake and is the reason I voted Trump. If indeed Trump has f'd up, it pales in comparison to any past prez I mentioned.

BTW, I am still a registered democrat and have been all of my voting life (43 years).

I know they aren't your ideas. You copy and pasted what someone else said.

I'm not evading any truths. But you sure are when you continually ignore what a dumpster fire Trump's first 8 months have been.

jms62
08-19-2017, 10:04 AM
I know they aren't your ideas. You copy and pasted what someone else said.

I'm not evading any truths. But you sure are when you continually ignore what a dumpster fire Trump's first 8 months have been.

But he is a "registered democratic" so we should believe everything he says:liar:

Dahoss9698
08-19-2017, 10:05 AM
But he is a "registered democratic" so we should believe everything he says:liar:

Yeah that was a nice touch. He's a registered Democrat like I've been winning at Saratoga :lol:

jimmyb
08-19-2017, 10:06 AM
I know they aren't your ideas. You copy and pasted what someone else said.

I'm not evading any truths. But you sure are when you continually ignore what a dumpster fire Trump's first 8 months have been.

I am enjoying the circus.

elysiantraveller
08-19-2017, 10:08 AM
Yep, he sure was better than Trump.

Again... deflection. What happens when Trump is criticized on here... people instantly deflect to what they are comfortable with.

I couldn't stand Obama. I however have the ability to look at Trump with the same scrutiny.

Tom
08-19-2017, 10:10 AM
And Nixon was better than Hitler.

And a kick in the butt is better than a poke in the face with a sharp stick.

Some of us hope for something better than the lesser of two evils.

Some of us ignored the fact the the republicrates run congress.
On his own, Trump has a lot on his own to get the economy moving. I don't blame him for the inaction by the GOP traitors.

If people would stop taking the media's bait to focus on stuff that has absolutely no value and got behind him, we would see more get done. But everyone buys the premise that he is a racist, his WH is in chaos......BS. The leftist-public education is kicking in.

You were expecting someone else to do it all for you?
You would have liked Bernie.

Clocker
08-19-2017, 10:15 AM
It's time to grow up if expect everyone to like you or what you value. I'm sure the past administrations understood this. Obama understands this, an athlete going into a visitors stadium understands this.

Hate on Trump all you like, he is still our president. Nobody said you had to like it and the next election is only 39 months away.

I don't expect everyone, or even anyone, to like me or my values. I don't give a rat's arse. And I don't hate Trump. He is an improvement over Obama. But that does not stop me from pointing out when the emperor has no clothes, and I don't ignore or rationalize that because he is an improvement.

And he is particularly fair game when he doesn't live up to his own promises. When that happens, he is no better than Obama, he is just another cheap politician. And his supporters that ignore that reality are as bad as he is. If we are forced to live with a compromise, and we always are, let's at least be honest with ourselves about it.

jimmyb
08-19-2017, 10:20 AM
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out today. Lets see how the media spins it. Free speech demonstrators and a LARGE contingent of left wing demonstrators on Boston common. Yep, I did copy and paste the below from the LA Times. Also copied and pasted another link for your viewing pleasure. Sue me.

A week after violent protests rocked Charlottesville, Va., Boston police are implementing a tight security plan on Saturday as a “free speech” rally with right-wing speakers is expected to converge with a large counter-protest on the city’s historic Common.


“If anything gets out of hand, we will shut it down,” Boston Mayor Marty Walsh said at a news conference Friday. “We’re going to respect their right to free speech. In return, they must respect our city.”


The deployment of 500 police officers, extra security cameras and barriers separating the opposing rallies are among the steps the city is taking to avoid a repeat of last weekend’s violence in Charlottesville.


http://www.wcvb.com/article/free-speech-rally-fight-supremacy-rally-boston-common/12036148

jimmyb
08-19-2017, 10:50 AM
I don't expect everyone, or even anyone, to like me or my values. I don't give a rat's arse. And I don't hate Trump. He is an improvement over Obama. But that does not stop me from pointing out when the emperor has no clothes, and I don't ignore or rationalize that because he is an improvement.

And he is particularly fair game when he doesn't live up to his own promises. When that happens, he is no better than Obama, he is just another cheap politician. And his supporters that ignore that reality are as bad as he is. If we are forced to live with a compromise, and we always are, let's at least be honest with ourselves about it.

I liked the solutions Trump offered. Has he followed through? No, he has not. I get good VA medical care so I don't have a dog in the ACA fight. The only thing that has bothered me is his initial attack on NAFTA and backing down when the Canadiens made embargo threats. The chief reason I voted for him. Yes, jobs keep filtering there way out of the country and yes, the great migration of corporate America back to our soil has not happened. That is the dog I had in the fight.

It's a runaway freight train that nobody seems to want to stop. The rest to me is a dog and pony show. Is there still hope he follows through? Probably not. No wall? I didn't expect Mexico to pay for one.

Is he a great commander in chief? I'd rather follow him into battle than the last two we had. He did however take the cowards way out with draft deferments. Our blood, his guts.

I don't have expectections the Pope will ever cannonize him, but my feelings are the same towards most everyone, including myself.

We ain't perfect and to expect an imperfect human, one with a tremendous ego and sense of privlidge to answer all our wishes, well that is unrealistic.

I've said this before, humans killed around 150 million other humans in the 20th century. The real trick is finding a way to stop whats behind this. Deep rooted and much more deserving of my attention.

Hey, the circus is in town here in Boston but I am on my way to the gym. My place of refuge and a break from the insanity.

All the best.

woodtoo
08-19-2017, 11:28 AM
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out today. Lets see how the media spins it. Free speech demonstrators and a LARGE contingent of left wing demonstrators on Boston common. Yep, I did copy and paste the below from the LA Times. Also copied and pasted another link for your viewing pleasure. Sue me.

A week after violent protests rocked Charlottesville, Va., Boston police are implementing a tight security plan on Saturday as a “free speech” rally with right-wing speakers is expected to converge with a large counter-protest on the city’s historic Common.


“If anything gets out of hand, we will shut it down,” Boston Mayor Marty Walsh said at a news conference Friday. “We’re going to respect their right to free speech. In return, they must respect our city.”


The deployment of 500 police officers, extra security cameras and barriers separating the opposing rallies are among the steps the city is taking to avoid a repeat of last weekend’s violence in Charlottesville.


http://www.wcvb.com/article/free-speech-rally-fight-supremacy-rally-boston-common/12036148

There is live coverage at the link.:ThmbUp:

johnhannibalsmith
08-19-2017, 12:01 PM
There is live coverage at the link.:ThmbUp:

Everybody on the edge of their seats hoping for a peaceful time in Boston.

rastajenk
08-19-2017, 12:10 PM
Everyone but CNN and MSNBC, maybe.

jms62
08-19-2017, 01:39 PM
[quote=Tom;2209346]Some of us ignored the fact the the republicrates run congress.
On his own, Trump has a lot on his own to get the economy moving. I don't blame him for the inaction by the GOP traitors.

If people would stop taking the media's bait to focus on stuff that has absolutely no value and got behind him, we would see more get done. But everyone buys the premise that he is a racist, his WH is in chaos......BS. The leftist-public education is kicking in.

You were expecting someone else to do it all for you?
You would have liked Bernie.[/]

Refute these FACTS.

Http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dbi9jFElC_s

JustRalph
08-19-2017, 03:16 PM
And Nixon was better than Hitler.

And a kick in the butt is better than a poke in the face with a sharp stick.

Some of us hope for something better than the lesser of two evils.

Then you haven't been paying attention since Bush Sr.

That's all we've had since then. In fact since Clinton got elected with about 25% of the vote, it's been nothing but the lesser of two evils. Trump kept us from Hillary. It was a gift.......

Tom
08-19-2017, 03:25 PM
Everybody on the edge of their seats hoping for a peaceful time in Boston.

Why would I care what they do there?
Seriously?

You get more violence form the locals there in bars every
Saturday.

:sleeping:

For crying out loud, CHICAGO, a DEMCORAT bastion is the most deadly place in the country.

Yet the looney left is all worked up about Virginia? Give me a break.
You want to see violence, go to any dem run city.

Tom
08-19-2017, 03:31 PM
Refute these FACTS.

PMSNBC.....:bang:

jms62
08-19-2017, 03:47 PM
PMSNBC.....:bang:

Oh the easily proven statistics he quoted are wrong? :pound: Get a transcript and prove them wrong. We are waiting Tick Tock Tick Tock

Clocker
08-19-2017, 04:07 PM
Then you haven't been paying attention since Bush Sr.

That's all we've had since then. In fact since Clinton got elected with about 25% of the vote, it's been nothing but the lesser of two evils. Trump kept us from Hillary. It was a gift.......

I have been paying attention. That's why I said I hoped for something better that the lesser of two evils, despite not having seen it in many a year.

Tom
08-19-2017, 04:08 PM
Oh the easily proven statistics he quoted are wrong? :pound: Get a transcript and prove them wrong. We are waiting Tick Tock Tick Tock

Still waiting on you and Barn.....Nice dodge though.

jms62
08-19-2017, 04:36 PM
Still waiting on you and Barn.....Nice dodge though.

I answered you . Shall I steam up a window and draw you a picture? You asked for something I never contended genius. That should havebeen clear to nearly everyone by my response. So the ball is in your court as you are the only one contesting truth here . Tick Tock. And just to be clear did you walk back what you said vis a vis Obama and Seal Team 6?

MutuelClerk
08-19-2017, 05:58 PM
Everyone but CNN and MSNBC, maybe.


BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tom
08-20-2017, 12:24 AM
That should havebeen clear to nearly everyone by my response.

Oh, believe me, a lot is clear by your responses.

JustRalph
08-20-2017, 04:42 AM
I answered you . Shall I steam up a window and draw you a picture? You asked for something I never contended genius. That should havebeen clear to nearly everyone by my response. So the ball is in your court as you are the only one contesting truth here . Tick Tock. And just to be clear did you walk back what you said vis a vis Obama and Seal Team 6?

Give it a rest. Tom is the king of hyperbole and we all know it. Are you really that invested in Obama that you're offended that much?

Your side of the aisle made a feature length film about assasinating GW Bush. I bet you weren't up in arms about that........give it a rest

jms62
08-20-2017, 07:03 AM
Give it a rest. Tom is the king of hyperbole and we all know it. Are you really that invested in Obama that you're offended that much?

Your side of the aisle made a feature length film about assasinating GW Bush. I bet you weren't up in arms about that........give it a rest

Not a Democrat but nice try and as far as you telling me what tod do :pound::pound::rip:.

Show Me the Wire
08-20-2017, 02:23 PM
[quote=Tom;2209346]Some of us ignored the fact the the republicrates run congress.
On his own, Trump has a lot on his own to get the economy moving. I don't blame him for the inaction by the GOP traitors.

If people would stop taking the media's bait to focus on stuff that has absolutely no value and got behind him, we would see more get done. But everyone buys the premise that he is a racist, his WH is in chaos......BS. The leftist-public education is kicking in.

You were expecting someone else to do it all for you?
You would have liked Bernie.[/]

Refute these FACTS.

Http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dbi9jFElC_s

Since the stock market tries to predict the future, whether to be optimistic (bull) or pessimistic (bear), I have to agree Obama was responsible for the optimism. It is a future without Obama in office, in six months we would have a new President. Once the election was decided the Trump in and Obama out factor gave great optimism.

Jobs, I agree under Obama there was a great surge in barista jobs, burger flippers etc. More so than will be under the current President. Also, job numbers are pretty much manipulated by the current administration, so I don't put too much credence in the Obama's administration job numbers.

PaceAdvantage
08-27-2017, 04:34 PM
I have the same viewpoint as you do...been in metro NY almost all my life watching and reading about the man...

I don't quite see it the way you do, however.

My view toward Trump, as I have repeatedly tried to explain, as little to do with poltics and being a liberal. It has to do with 35+ years in the New York City/Connecticut region watching this con-man in action.

The fact is he has always been a what I call an instinctive and compulsive liar. Just in the last couple days the General Pershing story, the story about his non-existent Virginia winery illustrate my point. These are not political stories, they are just made up stories that Trump uses to "sell" himself as having some point of contact with anything someone might mention.
In the business world he screwed people left and right. He got away with it most of the time because a whole lot of inherited wealth gave him the ability to wear-out the "little people" who all too often found it difficult to hang in for the long run and time and money it would take to win. One of the reasons why the Trumps had to start looking offshore for financing was because American banks finally caught on to Trump's shady games.

This past week Trump's discovered a sudden love of monuments and memorials and wants to save 'em all. Years ago when he was demolishing the old Bonwit Teller building in New York in contemplation of building Trump Tower, the Metropolitan Museum of Art wanted to preserve some sculptures built into the frontage of that building. Trump agreed. Then he betrayed his promise when he discovered that saving the sculptures might delay the overall demolition by two weeks. He destroyed the sculptures. But, he didn't use that as his total excuse. He later remarked "we had them appraised and found they weren't worth much." Even if that were true, it has nothing to do with the underlying idea of donating the statues to the museum. Their monetary value was immaterial. I can however, guarantee you he never did have them appraised. Just like he never really sent investigators to Hawaii to look into Obama's birth certificate. How do I know? Because if he did he would present the proof.

I don't know if it will ever happen, but my hope is that all you Trump groupies find a legitimate conservative to support who is smart, honest and will keep his or her words and doesn't have to lie each and ever day to sell his latest scam. You may like what he said in the campaign. You may still like what he says. But make no mistake, you are in bed with a character totally devoid of any ethical value. The man is a fraud.

PaceAdvantage
08-27-2017, 04:38 PM
How dare you try and bring some sanity into a PA off topic thread!

This is supposed to be where angry guys repeat the same thing over and over every day to try and convince themselves that what they think is right.As Trump once said, both sides are guilty of that...big time...

I've been dancing a jig since election night...I'm not angry at all...

Dahoss9698
08-27-2017, 09:46 PM
As Trump once said, both sides are guilty of that...big time...

I've been dancing a jig since election night...I'm not angry at all...

I really caught your attention, huh?

Meanwhile you've got people wishing death upon me in the main area but you're busy protecting the stupidity down here.

Awesome :ThmbUp:

jimmyb
08-27-2017, 09:58 PM
I really caught your attention, huh?

Meanwhile you've got people wishing death upon me in the main area but you're busy protecting the stupidity down here.

Awesome :ThmbUp:

http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/joemtnclimber/media/cGF0aDovTm93VGhhdHNhUGlzc2luZ0NvbnRlc3QuZ2lm?page= 1&searchTerm=pissing%20contest

PaceAdvantage
08-28-2017, 01:50 AM
I really caught your attention, huh?

Meanwhile you've got people wishing death upon me in the main area but you're busy protecting the stupidity down here.

Awesome :ThmbUp:I've been on vacation in DC most of the week...I'm way behind...there is such a thing as REPORT A POST if you need to get a moderator's attention in a hurry...that's what it's there for...

I'm going to sleep now...hopefully I'll get to it tomorrow, unless you want to direct me to it or let me keep guessing where it is...

Tom
08-29-2017, 09:23 PM
DC?
Shoring up your network for a 2018 campaign?
Or a secret interview for a stint in the Trump Oval?

Ya got my vote! :headbanger:

Never been there on the ground, but flew in and out a couple of time. Awesome place to see from above, all the history in one great view....dittos NYC, flew in and out a few times, awesome place to see...Statue of Liberty, Brooklyn Bridge, 5:00 traffic...:D
Not since 9/11....I am glad I got to see the Twin Towers. Against he night skyline....just a great memory.

People should quit their bitchin' and take the time to see the great place we are fortunate enough to call home.