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Nutz and Boltz
08-13-2017, 12:40 PM
Has anyone viewed Pizolla's Value Capper videos. Any comments? And buyers ?

oughtoh
08-13-2017, 12:45 PM
I saw it and loved it. If I could afford it I would definately get it. Since I can't really read the form anymore it would give me a way to play more and be able to play more then one track.

mikesal57
08-13-2017, 01:28 PM
I saw it and loved it. If I could afford it I would definately get it. Since I can't really read the form anymore it would give me a way to play more and be able to play more then one track.

Dude....aren't you winning tons of money with Pace Platinum?

You keep promoting how good it is....:bang:

Nutz and Boltz
08-13-2017, 03:10 PM
With the state of racing these days, I'm not willing to part with that amount of money at this time. If this were 20 years ago, I'd be in. It does look very impressive, though.

oughtoh
08-13-2017, 03:20 PM
I am only betting DM with a form and my handicapping. Even when I run Platium or Ponypickers I am not betting it. I have tried to figure out a way to get it down from 3 horses to one, but haven't been able to. All the money I win goes to putting 2 daughters thru college an fixing cars when they break down. They just don't work for me because I only bet 1 horse an cons. has 3. Other thing is which button to play everyday. Usually pick the wrong one. That is why I have been trying to narrow it down, but no luck.

MacTavish
08-14-2017, 01:36 PM
Has anyone viewed Pizolla's Value Capper videos. Any comments? And buyers ?

There are 204 videos. I've watched 10 of them so far. They range in length from about ten minutes to an hour. I'm almost through with the "Mindset" category where he's talking primarily about the importance of "value" bets. At this point, it's indoctrination. In the next set of videos, he'll address specifics of the software.

I think he's an eloquent speaker with a lot to say, but there's so much of it, you have to take it in digestible bites.

oughtoh
08-14-2017, 01:41 PM
The 108 videos on the one set that he said he had from pass videos he has made, I would probably never watch Just to much time to watch everything. So they would have been useless to me, but I would still be paying for them in the price.

punteray
08-14-2017, 02:49 PM
I have a betting program that I will be sending to GREG for distribution that allows you to bet all three horses to win chosen by "best 5". For EVD 0805 posted by Greg using $20 for each race (a total of $180 bet) , the program made $225.75 gross, which is a profit of $45.75 for an ROI of 25%. NO NEED to break it down to just 1 horse. The program is called B.A.B.S. (Bad Ass Betting Strategy)

Ray Scalise

crusader222x
08-14-2017, 03:05 PM
What is the cost of wizard membership and the data to run the impressive program?

oughtoh
08-14-2017, 03:07 PM
I have a betting program that I will be sending to GREG for distribution that allows you to bet all three horses to win chosen by "best 5". For EVD 0805 posted by Greg using $20 for each race (a total of $180 bet) , the program made $225.75 gross, which is a profit of $45.75 for an ROI of 25%. NO NEED to break it down to just 1 horse. The program is called B.A.B.S. (Bad Ass Betting Strategy)

Ray Scalise

That is fine. But what happens on days like DM Yesterday when they ha 5 winners for a total of $26. That is a total 27 bets and you get back $26. That is a loss of $154 in one day. Five winners in a day is good out of 9 races. Does this only work at Evan? Or does it work everywhere? I am for anything that works where I on't have to rea a form an can play more then one track in a day.

JimG
08-14-2017, 03:49 PM
What is the cost of wizard membership and the data to run the impressive program?

With BLAM, it was $79 for unlimited data and $29 for forum.

punteray
08-14-2017, 03:50 PM
If the MLO's are low the the program might show a negative return so DON'T BET 'EM!

green80
08-14-2017, 03:56 PM
I have a betting program that I will be sending to GREG for distribution that allows you to bet all three horses to win chosen by "best 5". For EVD 0805 posted by Greg using $20 for each race (a total of $180 bet) , the program made $225.75 gross, which is a profit of $45.75 for an ROI of 25%. NO NEED to break it down to just 1 horse. The program is called B.A.B.S. (Bad Ass Betting Strategy)

Ray Scalise

While it may work on days where you have a few lonshots, it wont work on days a lot of favorites come in. Dutching 3 horses in every race is a long term loser.

oughtoh
08-14-2017, 08:55 PM
With BLAM, it was $79 for unlimited data and $29 for forum.

Unlimited data for $79 is a bargain. Don't think you can beat that.

Speed Figure
08-14-2017, 09:15 PM
Unlimited data for $79 is a bargain. Don't think you can beat that.
You can't get unlimited data unless your on the forum. The total price is $124 per month.

oughtoh
08-14-2017, 09:20 PM
Still think that is a good deal.

MacTavish
08-15-2017, 08:18 AM
You can't get unlimited data unless your on the forum. The total price is $124 per month.

Comparable to HTR in terms of data cost. Also, years ago I used All-Ways and that would have been about 10 cards per month with them. Haven't checked their pricing lately.

acorn54
08-15-2017, 05:28 PM
i am in on valucapper have watched carefully the coaches experience especially bob harris and matt and the testimonial from nestor's mother who lives in benin , africa, brought me to tears. it is the symposium #17.
bob puts it bluntly what you can expect from using mr pizzolla's software valucapper. bob says he knows no one that makes all their income solely from using it. he is satisfied with the side income he gets, making 40-60 dollar bets to win. he gets 14 % winners so thats collecting on the average 1 race and losing 7 wagers. matt in one of the tapes talks of his struggle with his 6th year of using the program, after 5 satisfying years. the mother of nestor thanks mr pizzolla for the allowing her to send her son to schoo, he is the first one in the village to able to do so. she also was able to buy him a desk and his own computer for school work and recreation, and she sent mr pizzolla a picture of the food she was able to buy to have a christmas feast for the village. now there is someone that has the why of having to make some kind of money. by the way she is not a wizard. she just has the software.

it really is a matter of approach. if you are not one to sit out just about all of the races AND don't have DISCRETIONARY of at least 1000 dollars , don't bother. matt said he learned the hard way not to bet more than 1% of his bankroll. a word to the wise is sufficient.

oughtoh
08-15-2017, 07:21 PM
If they are only getting 14% winners, do you suppose they are playing to many races? You would need a $16 winner just to break even.

acorn54
08-15-2017, 07:30 PM
you can't argue with success. bob harris is a no nonsense guy, and comes across as telling the truth. i understand your skepticism peddlers of horse race products is sort of like trying to find honor among thieves.

oughtoh
08-15-2017, 07:53 PM
you can't argue with success. bob harris is a no nonsense guy, and comes across as telling the truth. i understand your skepticism peddlers of horse race products is sort of like trying to find honor among thieves.

That is so true about horse race products.

JimG
08-15-2017, 08:15 PM
If they are only getting 14% winners, do you suppose they are playing to many races? You would need a $16 winner just to break even.

Many of the BLAM software users skip many races and primarily play horses that are overlays/longshots. It's not for the faint of heart nor for someone who feels pressure to win a race as opposed to winning at the races. You also need a significant bankroll.

Appy
08-16-2017, 12:18 AM
"...not for the faint of heart nor for someone who feels pressure to win a race as opposed to winning at the races."

That's a terrific comment JimG!

oughtoh
08-16-2017, 12:25 AM
I would rather win at the races then win a race. Think it would be fun having that software, once you learn everything about it. Hope you guys that have it do great with it.

acorn54
08-16-2017, 12:43 AM
I would rather win at the races then win a race. Think it would be fun having that software, once you learn everything about it. Hope you guys that have it do great with it.

thank you for the kind words. i hope your kindness brings you good karma

kingfin66
08-16-2017, 02:45 AM
If they are only getting 14% winners, do you suppose they are playing to many races? You would need a $16 winner just to break even.

How do you figure? I get $14.29 to break even at 14% winners. $16 avg mutuels at 14% would net you a pretty good ROI of 1.12. Somebody please feel free to double check my math.

oughtoh
08-16-2017, 02:51 AM
I was just going by 1 winner out of 8 races. $2 bet on 8 races was $16. Wasn't going by the %.

Secondbest
08-16-2017, 12:37 PM
I would think you need more than $1000 discretionary money. With a 14% hit rate you can get some long losing streaks especially at first when you are still learning. If you can't take losing ten races or more in a row at 40 a pop then win one then lose ten more this program is not for you. That's why Michael stresses the mental aspect. If you can then it looks like you'll do well.

acorn54
08-16-2017, 02:15 PM
I would think you need more than $1000 discretionary money. With a 14% hit rate you can get some long losing streaks especially at first when you are still learning. If you can't take losing ten races or more in a row at 40 a pop then win one then lose ten more this program is not for you. That's why Michael stresses the mental aspect. If you can then it looks like you'll do well.

yeah i look at the money i bet as marbles. not money. if i think it is money then their is the emotional attachment to it. just losing some marbles and sometimes getting some marbles. as far as a 14% hit rate, that is a generalization not all bets are alike if i like a horse in the 9/2-7-1 range that is an overlay i will bet 1 unit. if the horse has odds from8-1 or so up to 20-1, then i will bet 1/2 unit. simply because my longshots win far fewer races than my sweet spot horse bets. does that make sense?

Secondbest
08-16-2017, 05:30 PM
yeah i look at the money i bet as marbles. not money. if i think it is money then their is the emotional attachment to it. just losing some marbles and sometimes getting some marbles. as far as a 14% hit rate, that is a generalization not all bets are alike if i like a horse in the 9/2-7-1 range that is an overlay i will bet 1 unit. if the horse has odds from8-1 or so up to 20-1, then i will bet 1/2 unit. simply because my longshots win far fewer races than my sweet spot horse bets. does that make sense?

yes it does

jim michalak
08-17-2017, 04:52 AM
in the valuecapper video series mp states that the win % is 30% for the first (top) pick and 50% for the top 2 picks, for all races. as has been stated previously mp advises against this, so if one is selective the win % should be even higher. :)

acorn54
08-17-2017, 06:51 AM
in the valuecapper video series mp states that the win % is 30% for the first (top) pick and 50% for the top 2 picks, for all races. as has been stated previously mp advises against this, so if one is selective the win % should be even higher. :)

the operative word in your statement is "selective", valuecapping isn't about picking the most winning horses, it is about getting value from the horses you bet. that's a big difference. if you watch the symposium videos you will get an idea on how the people who use black magic experience and think in their approach. they are looking to maximize PROFITS, not WINNERS. i'd suggest keeping an open mind while watching the rest of the valuecapper videos. i understand picking alot of winners is fun and all, and betting for value might not be as much of an opportunity for celebration. however you can have either very frequent winners, or you can have a good profit level, buy you can't have them both.

Secondbest
08-17-2017, 11:29 AM
the operative word in your statement is "selective", valuecapping isn't about picking the most winning horses, it is about getting value from the horses you bet. that's a big difference. if you watch the symposium videos you will get an idea on how the people who use black magic experience and think in their approach. they are looking to maximize PROFITS, not WINNERS. i'd suggest keeping an open mind while watching the rest of the valuecapper videos. i understand picking alot of winners is fun and all, and betting for value might not be as much of an opportunity for celebration. however you can have either very frequent winners, or you can have a good profit level, buy you can't have them both.

Exactly right. It's all about overlaid price horses.

acorn54
08-17-2017, 11:57 AM
Exactly right. It's all about overlaid price horses.

again, it does not have to be "price" horses if you are referring to only betting longshots, just getting value. there are people who use black magic and testify that there bread and butter bets are in the 9/2-7-1 range. it really depends on how accurate the software's odds line is.

Secondbest
08-17-2017, 01:53 PM
I understand. When I say price I mean anything that pays double digits. Not necessarily $30 but say $12 and up. Anyway good luck.Im sure you'll do well.

acorn54
08-17-2017, 02:23 PM
I understand. When I say price I mean anything that pays double digits. Not necessarily $30 but say $12 and up. Anyway good luck.Im sure you'll do well.

yeah well it ain't going to be rags to riches. the most successful coach of the wizards, claims he just makes some money from the software to take a vacation. and he's been using the software since it's inception as blam 1.0. he has a regular full time job to pay the bills. so the morale of the story is, if anyone is buying the software to try to make an income, don't quit your day job. that's what i like about the wizard club, they are fun guys and gals, but frank.

kingfin66
08-17-2017, 10:33 PM
I was just going by 1 winner out of 8 races. $2 bet on 8 races was $16. Wasn't going by the %.

1 winner out of 8 would be a 12.5 % win percentage. In that case you are correct that the average winner would have to be $16 to break even.

headhawg
08-17-2017, 11:58 PM
Exactly right. It's all about overlaid price horses.This is a misunderstanding. An overlay is an overlay no matter what the price. That is to say both a 4-5 and a 10-1 could be overlays. Or, they could both be underlays. In either case, making a bet based on "value" comes down to an accurate odds line which, of course, is very challenging to get right. If people haven't read Barry Meadow's Money Secrets at the Racetrack or Commonsense Betting by Dick Mitchell I highly recommend that they do.

Bullet Plane
08-20-2017, 11:14 AM
in the valuecapper video series mp states that the win % is 30% for the first (top) pick and 50% for the top 2 picks, for all races. as has been stated previously mp advises against this, so if one is selective the win % should be even higher. :)

That's what the crowd can do also. Same odds as crowd picks.

So, it is a tool. Like the Sheets, The DRF, Timeformus, Etc.

I would say it is geared toward the contest player, as it can crunch a lot of races.

There are some contest winners who use onlly the free pp's given out at the book.

There are others who use state of the art technology.

Both can win.

Obviously, I hold the guy who can do it with free bare bones pp's in higher esteem.

But, there is no extra credit for that in the contest world.

acorn54
08-20-2017, 12:00 PM
That's what the crowd can do also. Same odds as crowd picks.

So, it is a tool. Like the Sheets, The DRF, Timeformus, Etc.

I would say it is geared toward the contest player, as it can crunch a lot of races.

There are some contest winners who use onlly the free pp's given out at the book.

There are others who use state of the art technology.

Both can win.

Obviously, I hold the guy who can do it with free bare bones pp's in higher esteem.

But, there is no extra credit for that in the contest world.

saw your post. i am a senior citizen looking for some add'l income, not an ego trip or what others think of me. the people that use black magic are frank and don't lay claim to making a living from the valuecapper. just some side money to have some discretionary income. if you have any other expectations with this software it is not for you.

oughtoh
08-20-2017, 12:24 PM
Acorn That is exactly what I was looking at valuecapper for. Also being a senior an having two kids in college alittle extra money would help out.

rlopez781
08-24-2017, 02:11 PM
I had the privilege of playing with a beta tester of Value Capper for almost 6 months last year.There were some bombs of $58,$42 and $98 horses,and the program odds line will say 4/1 or 6/1 and compare it to the contention line(public) and tote board line of 12/1 or 15/1...then it's a bet.But you will also have to be prepared to lose on most of them and cash on a few. .He wasn't betting those bombs because
he was more interested in the 'bread-and-butter' bets,wherein the Value Capper will have the horse at 8/5 and the contention line says 4/1 and tote board has it at 9/2.There were more of them on those kind of value bets in regards to the kind of bettable races he liked to play.The program made it a lot easier to see
those value bets because it was automatic.You just have to do a little double-check on it's pp...

Ray

SandyW
08-24-2017, 03:13 PM
I had the privilege of playing with a beta tester of Value Capper for almost 6 months last year.There were some bombs of $58,$42 and $98 horses,and the program odds line will say 4/1 or 6/1 and compare it to the contention line(public) and tote board line of 12/1 or 15/1...then it's a bet.But you will also have to be prepared to lose on most of them and cash on a few. .He wasn't betting those bombs because
he was more interested in the 'bread-and-butter' bets,wherein the Value Capper will have the horse at 8/5 and the contention line says 4/1 and tote board has it at 9/2.There were more of them on those kind of value bets in regards to the kind of bettable races he liked to play.The program made it a lot easier to see
those value bets because it was automatic.You just have to do a little double-check on it's pp...

Ray

WHEN IS VALUECAPPER SOFTWARE COMING OUT????

I have been hearing soon for the last two years, I am 78 years old right now and I would like to get a chance to use this software before I am dead and buried.
I personally think that this software will never ever be offered for sale because no such software has been programed or written.

rlopez781
08-24-2017, 03:45 PM
Sandy,

It is already on sale to those that subscribed to his rants.Registration is going on right now but he might close it as soon as he meets the number of customers he can accomodate on the wizards forum.
As for the price, it is around $1300 to those that have the Black Magic 1.0.The
price to newbies is $1797 or split into 3 monthly payments of $677.It is not for recreational players.All the supplemental videos and manuals are now interactive and it is all on the website and just login and put your password and everything is there.The software also includes the original Black Magic 1.0 to those that
might want to check or compare the old with the new.I don't know how much the monthly unlimited data and results files are and also the membership to the wizards forum.But i heard it's around $125...

Ray

Whosonfirst
08-25-2017, 08:51 AM
WHEN IS VALUECAPPER SOFTWARE COMING OUT????

I have been hearing soon for the last two years, I am 78 years old right now and I would like to get a chance to use this software before I am dead and buried.
I personally think that this software will never ever be offered for sale because no such software has been programed or written.
I went to their marketing site and sent a request about availability and price points. I got an email saying I had to watch 4 videos and the answers would Magically appear. So I waded through video 1 @ 48 minutes long, and the next 3 videos are locked to me? Bizarre marketing techniques, but I suppose Mike P. knows what he's doing? I did find his five point plan on video 1 kind of a good refresher course on getting value.

Whosonfirst
08-25-2017, 09:55 AM
Originally Posted by SandyW View Post
WHEN IS VALUECAPPER SOFTWARE COMING OUT????

I have been hearing soon for the last two years, I am 78 years old right now and I would like to get a chance to use this software before I am dead and buried.
I personally think that this software will never ever be offered for sale because no such software has been programed or written.


I went to their marketing site and sent a request about availability and price points. I got an email saying I had to watch 4 videos and the answers would Magically appear. So I waded through video 1 @ 48 minutes long, and the next 3 videos are locked to me? Bizarre marketing techniques, but I suppose Mike P. knows what he's doing? I did find his five point plan on video 1 kind of a good refresher course on getting value.

edit: Okay I got an answer, sort of anyway. They said another video will unlock in another two days?

Helles
08-26-2017, 05:09 PM
I went through the videos a couple of weeks ago. It takes about a week to get them all unlocked, but I'm guessing the time won't begin to run to unlock the next one until you watch the one that's currently unlocked. I watched them all immediately so it took about a week.

Giahorse
09-01-2017, 05:15 PM
That's what the crowd can do also. Same odds as crowd picks.

So, it is a tool. Like the Sheets, The DRF, Timeformus, Etc.

I would say it is geared toward the contest player, as it can crunch a lot of races.

There are some contest winners who use onlly the free pp's given out at the book.

There are others who use state of the art technology.

Both can win.

Obviously, I hold the guy who can do it with free bare bones pp's in higher esteem.

But, there is no extra credit for that in the contest world.

What are you talking about, I will assume you made an error. Top picks wins 30%. You said same as public, not true, the public slowest odds horse, the fav win around that rate, Valiecapper win rate is around same also at 30%, but it not the fav all the time like the public. Very big difference.

chuckster1968
01-01-2018, 01:22 AM
Best piece of software on the market. I purchased it and understand his work just like other pioneers of the handicapping world. It is the best piece of software on the market... Everyone can read past performances etc...everyone understand different patterns etc.. but he puts into a program...and that is the essence of it all, he wins..because he is a pioneer, I have used it for a week,, lots of bottom horses under the arc win..but the key is to throw out certain races and be wait...and hammer and start with your bankroll..and hammer...because even in a weekend of racing there is over 200 races avg.. Find 4-10 overlays within that..and you can make money.. I am a believer, the man knows his sh... and sure there is lots of numbers...etc... it is like anything else..practice and learn..

mikesal57
01-01-2018, 10:34 AM
Best piece of software on the market. I purchased it and understand his work just like other pioneers of the handicapping world. It is the best piece of software on the market... Everyone can read past performances etc...everyone understand different patterns etc.. but he puts into a program...and that is the essence of it all, he wins..because he is a pioneer, I have used it for a week,, lots of bottom horses under the arc win..but the key is to throw out certain races and be wait...and hammer and start with your bankroll..and hammer...because even in a weekend of racing there is over 200 races avg.. Find 4-10 overlays within that..and you can make money.. I am a believer, the man knows his sh... and sure there is lots of numbers...etc... it is like anything else..practice and learn..

Glad you finally found something..
Sometimes you have to just ..GO FOR IT and not try to get other peoples thoughts

A question: How much does it cost and do you have to get his files too?
and at what cost also?

Thxs

Mike

mabred
01-01-2018, 12:36 PM
Mike

All the ??? you have will be answered at his site above.

A guy i know plays with it but he did all the dvd's and is

a pretty sharp bettor <small>.Fwiw he says the place to play

is woodbine.

GL
Mabred

mikesal57
01-01-2018, 12:54 PM
Mike

All the ??? you have will be answered at his site above.

A guy i know plays with it but he did all the dvd's and is

a pretty sharp bettor <small>.Fwiw he says the place to play

is woodbine.

GL
Mabred

Thxs.....

And a big THX for the tip.....

Woodbine , in my experience, is terrible to me...
I like speed but this track is the complete opposite
Never seen a track where the gate opens and all the jockeys have a
strangle hold on their horses...LOL

Mike

lefty359
01-29-2018, 06:39 PM
How many free videos are there?

Speed Figure
01-29-2018, 07:20 PM
I believe 201 are available. 108 are from Black Magic.

dlivery
01-29-2018, 09:22 PM
Im a recreational Wager Capper of RDSS and my take is the answer to all of this is what works for you on a constant basis works for all involved.
May the horse be with you
But the Tamdem feature on RDSS is my favourite.

acorn54
01-30-2018, 03:34 AM
Glad you finally found something..
Sometimes you have to just ..GO FOR IT and not try to get other peoples thoughts

A question: How much does it cost and do you have to get his files too?
and at what cost also?

Thxs

Mike

mike, valuecapper costs in the neighborhood of 1900 dollars if you dont have the version 1.0 black magic, which i presume you do not. it only takes mikes posttime solutions datafiles which cost $1.50 each track. however if you become an owner of valuecapper or black magic, version 1.0, you can become a "wizard", and get unlimited downloads of data files and results for a monthly subscription of $120

Pensacola Pete
01-30-2018, 04:15 PM
Out of curiosity, how many $1,000+ programs has Mr. Pizzolla authored during the past 30 years?

cato
02-05-2018, 07:00 AM
Two (2). The number is two - Black Magic and ValueCapper.

Possibly three if you count the Master Handicapper but I think it was less than $1000.

mikesal57
02-05-2018, 09:14 AM
Heres the issue with these $1000+ programs...

Their files!!!!

You have to buy their files to work the program.

You can get a track, two , or three but what kind of a database your going to have???

or

Buy a monthly plan , with ALL tracks , and have an complete database @ $120/month...

Mike

mmoroses
02-05-2018, 12:18 PM
Heres the issue with these $1000+ programs...

Their files!!!!

You have to buy their files to work the program.

You can get a track, two , or three but what kind of a database your going to have???

or

Buy a monthly plan , with ALL tracks , and have an complete database @ $120/month...

Mike

Totally agree with this assessment.

I went through the series of "Sales Pitch" videos and got all excited, till I saw the price tag, then the Caution Flags went up.

This software looks like a lot of fun, especially if (like me) you enjoy playing longshots, and are willing to wait patiently for the big score.

But let's say I cough up the $1900 for the s/w and tack on $120/month for the data. To break even in a year, I need to generate $1900/12 + $120 = $278/month in profits, and send them off to Mr. Pizzola. I couldn't make that commitment. Pass.

Mike M.

Appy
02-05-2018, 03:12 PM
I signed up and purchased VC when it came out, and found a lot to like about it. Unfortunately soon after I was suddenly overwhelmed with personal responsibilities (24 hour care for my 92 yr old, blind, mentally deficient WWII vet dad) so I could not, at this time, afford to pursue the interest and had to return it for the time being.
IMO Pizzolla's staff is second to none. They have always answered my questions in timely, courteous, and efficient fashion, and even completed process of my refund with unexpected speed.

One thing about VC I did NOT like is like Mike says, it only works with PTD pps. They are not a bad pp at all, but they do omit a lot of statistical info I have learned to depend on in terms of connections, sirelines, etc. Due to that same complaint I will not agree to the statement VC is "the best" software program available. But like I said, I found lots of things about the program and in the 201 vids that I did find valuable.

lefty359
02-05-2018, 06:16 PM
I just viewed the 4th video on Pizzola's site and a link to order Value Capper and the cost was $1700.