Time Magazine Trump Jr. "red handed cover"

[maddog42]

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/07/13/time-magazine-features-red-handed-donald-trump-jr-new-cover/23028444/

What makes people think that we have the whole story? This is the tip of the iceberg.

[barn32]

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[JustRalph]

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/07/13/time-magazine-features-red-handed-donald-trump-jr-new-cover/23028444/

What makes people think that we have the whole story? This is the tip of the iceberg.

Keep wishing!!

[maddog42]

Keep wishing!!

Bipartisan Report is saying the Russian meeting was recorded by the FBI as part of their scrutiny of Rooskies.You had better hope this liberal rag is wrong.

http://bipartisanreport.com/2017/07/10/don-jr-s-worst-nightmare-just-came-true-his-russian-meeting-was-recorded/

[JustRalph]

Bipartisan Report is saying the Russian meeting was recorded by the FBI as part of their scrutiny of Rooskies.You had better hope this liberal rag is wrong.

http://bipartisanreport.com/2017/07/10/don-jr-s-worst-nightmare-just-came-true-his-russian-meeting-was-recorded/

Good, we'll get the truth.

[maddog42]

Good, we'll get the truth.

As something of an oddsmaker, I'd say it is 80% that IF there are tapes, and it is an if, then Trump JR. will need some very good lawyers.

[JustRalph]

As something of an oddsmaker, I'd say it is 80% that IF there are tapes, and it is an if, then Trump JR. will need some very good lawyers.

Btw, I thought Obama didn't have Trump tower bugged?

Which one is it? He did or didn't?

[maddog42]

Btw, I thought Obama didn't have Trump tower bugged?

Which one is it? He did or didn't?

The FBI doesn't have to consult with Obama to bug Rooskies. I doubt that he even knew. This has already been covered with the incidental Russian recordings remember? If you talk with a suspicious Russian you will probably be recorded.

[ElKabong]

Bipartisan Report is saying the Russian meeting was recorded by the FBI as part of their scrutiny of Rooskies.You had better hope this liberal rag is wrong.

http://bipartisanreport.com/2017/07/10/don-jr-s-worst-nightmare-just-came-true-his-russian-meeting-was-recorded/

Where was the FBI when Bernie sanders had an election stolen from him?

[Clocker]

As something of an oddsmaker, I'd say it is 80% that IF there are tapes, and it is an if, then Trump JR. will need some very good lawyers.

If they have tapes, those are going to be the most boring secret tapes even. The woman herself said on NBC that she had no campaign dirt, and that she talked to them about US sanctions on Russia. In other words, she conned them into a meeting. The Trump guys said the same thing, and that's why they left early.

[barn32]

The Trump guys said the same thing, and that's why they left early.Not the point. The FBI should have been informed. They never should have had the meeting.

Kushner had to amend his security clearance form to include this meeting. He had to amend his form to include 100 meetings (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/341844-kushner-updated-disclosure-to-add-more-than-100-foreign-contacts)or "conversations" with foreign contacts.

Efforts are being made to have his security clearance revoked. (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/12/jared-kushner-security-clearance-russia-meeting-donald-trump-jr)

And now trump's lawyer Kasowitz is in hot water ([/URL])for threatening someone who sent him an email, which the sender turned over to the FBI. Kasowitz apologizes, but will most like never get security clearance and have to resign.

trump jr. has had to change his story multiple times.

And finally, there is a report that trump sr. did indeed know about this meeting. Was informed of such by Kushner.


More to come.

[Clocker]

Not the point. The FBI should have been informed. They never should have had the meeting.

Kushner had to amend his security clearance form to include this meeting. He had to amend his form to include 100 meetings (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/341844-kushner-updated-disclosure-to-add-more-than-100-foreign-contacts)or "conversations" with foreign contacts.

Efforts are being made to have his security clearance revoked. (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/12/jared-kushner-security-clearance-russia-meeting-donald-trump-jr)

And now trump's lawyer Kasowitz is in hot water (http://[/URL])for threatening someone who sent him an email, which the sender turned over to the FBI. Kasowitz apologizes, but will most like never get security clearance and have to resign.

trump jr. has had to change his story multiple times.

And finally, there is a report that trump sr. did indeed know about this meeting. Was informed of such by Kushner.


More to come.

All of this leads to one conclusion: this is a political, highly partisan issue, not a criminal case. Trump was not even the GOP nominee at the time. Trump Jr. and Kushner were private citizens. Are you saying that any private citizen should alert the FBI before meeting with a foreigner who may or may not be representing a foreign government?

[fast4522]

This thread is nothing more than a circle jerk , stroke away DEAD ONES.

[Lemon Drop Husker]

The FBI doesn't have to consult with Obama to bug Rooskies. I doubt that he even knew. This has already been covered with the incidental Russian recordings remember? If you talk with a suspicious Russian you will probably be recorded.

They must have miles of tape on the Clintons. :popcorn:

[Fager Fan]

Bipartisan Report is saying the Russian meeting was recorded by the FBI as part of their scrutiny of Rooskies.You had better hope this liberal rag is wrong.

http://bipartisanreport.com/2017/07/10/don-jr-s-worst-nightmare-just-came-true-his-russian-meeting-was-recorded/

An entity that writes that article calls themselves a BIPARTISAN report? That's hysterical.

[Fager Fan]

Isn't it sharing classified information for the FBI to supposedly tell this Clyde Somebody that they have tapes of this meeting?

Personally, it reeks of BS, but it reminds me that the people who have indisputably committed crimes are Comey and numerous others in the FBI as well as the Hilary camp and DNC, yet there's not much rubbing hands in glee over those things. I wonder why that is?

[barn32]

Are you saying that any private citizen should alert the FBI before meeting with a foreigner who may or may not be representing a foreign government?One opinion:

Several campaign funding experts say the emails strongly suggest that Donald Trump Jr. violated federal election laws by arranging a high-level campaign meeting with a Russian lawyer who promised to reveal damaging information about Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.

Federal law makes it a crime for any person to “solicit, accept or receive” a contribution or “anything of value” from a foreign person for a U.S. political campaign or “for the purpose of influencing any election for federal office.”

Trump Jr. and his supporters scoff at the notion that having a meeting to learn more about your rival in political campaign would violate federal law, insisting the encounter yielded nothing of value. And even if it had, they say, it wouldn’t be the type of money or bribes usually covered under the campaign law.

But others note that the statute includes an “express or implied promise” to give something of value. So in that sense it may not matter whether the thing of value was ever actually provided.

Under the law, those who knowingly and willfully engage in these activities may be subject to fines or imprisonment.

Link (http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-russians-legal-analysis-20170711-story.html)

[tucker6]

As something of an oddsmaker, I'd say it is 80% that IF there are tapes, and it is an if, then Trump JR. will need some very good lawyers.
Again, why? What is his crime exactly?

[tucker6]

Not the point. The FBI should have been informed. They never should have had the meeting.

Kushner had to amend his security clearance form to include this meeting. He had to amend his form to include 100 meetings (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/341844-kushner-updated-disclosure-to-add-more-than-100-foreign-contacts)or "conversations" with foreign contacts.

Efforts are being made to have his security clearance revoked. (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/12/jared-kushner-security-clearance-russia-meeting-donald-trump-jr)

And now trump's lawyer Kasowitz is in hot water ([/URL])for threatening someone who sent him an email, which the sender turned over to the FBI. Kasowitz apologizes, but will most like never get security clearance and have to resign.

trump jr. has had to change his story multiple times.

And finally, there is a report that trump sr. did indeed know about this meeting. Was informed of such by Kushner.


More to come.
Ah, the goalpost moving post. Clumsily done.

[tucker6]

One opinion:



Link (http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-russians-legal-analysis-20170711-story.html)

I'll trust Alan here.

[Nutz and Boltz]

Funny comparison, not really a good one,though.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-aides-russia-flap-proves-don-jr-is-the-fredo-of-the-first-family

[Fager Fan]

One opinion:



Link (http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-russians-legal-analysis-20170711-story.html)

Yet we know of many times - perhaps in every election - where campaigns accept foreign funds, and they're not prosecuted.

Everyone hears out the dirt on their rivals, and I see no reason why they shouldn't.

[forced89]

I'm so tired of all this stuff. Report the facts and move on. Don't beat it to death over and over. We need the President to run the country and the Congress to work for us and not spend every working hour beating up on each other.

[davew]

it seems the honeypot is linked to Fusion GPS -> the looney are going crazy en masse :lol:

[Clocker]

Again, why? What is his crime exactly?
The liberals are the self-appointed Thought Police of the country.

Federal law makes it a crime for any person to “solicit, accept or receive” a contribution or “anything of value” from a foreign person for a U.S. political campaign or “for the purpose of influencing any election for federal office.”He was solicited, he didn't solicit. The “anything of value” did not exist, and it is highly debatable that "information" would be of value under the law. But all of the "experts" here have looked into the mind of Trump Jr. and determined that based on his intentions, he is guilty of treason, of levying war on the US or giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Except we are not at war with Russia. So based entirely on intent, he is guilty of a thought crime.

These are the same people, lead by former FBI Director Comey, that asserted that while Hillary actually violated the law, she was not guilty of a crime because she did not have bad intentions. :rolleyes:

[barn32]

He was solicited, he didn't solicit. The “anything of value” did not exist, and it is highly debatable that "information" would be of value under the law. OK, you win. Your boys are all squeaky clean. [For the record, I never mentioned anything about treason.]

[Clocker]

OK, you win. Your boys are all squeaky clean. [For the record, I never mentioned anything about treason.]

Not my boys. Turning the West Wing into a family business was a major blunder by Trump, and this little scandal is a prime example. Trump Jr. and Kushner were in way over their heads, and Manafort should have known better. (My reference to treason was based on lots of libs here that did call it that.)

They are not squeaky clean, they are just as conniving and venal and egotistical as anyone else in high office. They are also inept. And between his family and Trump's other amateurisms, like tweeting, the administration is in a gridlock of publicity battles that significantly interfere with the business of government.

Not that that is necessarily a bad thing, given some of Trump's policies. Or the Ivanka policies that Trump can't deny his darling little girl.

Actually, the Trump Derangement Syndrome focusing on The Donald and family and friends is also probably a good thing, interfering with any effective efforts by the Dems to promote their policies.

That government is best which governs least. -- Thoreau

[Clocker]

Time Magazine Trump Jr. "red handed cover" (https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/07/13/time-magazine-features-red-handed-donald-trump-jr-new-cover/23028444/)

This would be the same Time Magazine that published a cover cheering the US interference in a Russian election?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/time-yanks.jpg

[reckless]

OK, you win. Your boys are all squeaky clean. [For the record, I never mentioned anything about treason.]

It was Hillary who committed treason when she had an illegal homebrew unsecure server in her house.

It was Hillary who committed treason when she sold 20% of our uranium to a long time enemy of the USA -- Putin's Russia.

It was Bill Clinton who committed treason when he sold our military secrets and technology to a long time enemy of the USA -- the Communist Red Chinese government.

It was Barry Obama who committed treason when he stole billions of our taxpayer monies to give to a sworn enemy of the USA -- the facist Islamic terrorists in Iran.

It was disgraced FBI Director James Comey who committed treason when he illegally gave classified information to a civilian former college roomate.

No wonder you don't wish to talk about treason barn32... your side commits treason every chance they can -- and have.

[JustRalph]

Not my boys. Turning the West Wing into a family business was a major blunder by Trump, and this little scandal is a prime example. Trump Jr. and Kushner were in way over their heads, and Manafort should have known better. (My reference to treason was based on lots of libs here that did call it that.)

They are not squeaky clean, they are just as conniving and venal and egotistical as anyone else in high office. They are also inept. And between his family and Trump's other amateurisms, like tweeting, the administration is in a gridlock of publicity battles that significantly interfere with the business of government.

Not that that is necessarily a bad thing, given some of Trump's policies. Or the Ivanka policies that Trump can't deny his darling little girl.

Actually, the Trump Derangement Syndrome focusing on The Donald and family and friends is also probably a good thing, interfering with any effective efforts by the Dems to promote their policies.

That government is best which governs least. -- Thoreau

I used to think this way. Until he was in office about ten minutes. As soon as the press let it be known how they were going to treat him, I don't care anymore. He still isn't Hillary, and I don't care what he does short of a felony, to fend off the press and the Dems

[OntheRail]

An entity that writes that article calls themselves a BIPARTISAN report? That's hysterical.

No that's a typo.... it should say BY PARTISANS. Then again they maybe switch hitter... and BI PARTISANS is right on the money.

[Clocker]

As soon as the press let it be known how they were going to treat him, I don't care anymore. He still isn't Hillary, and I don't care what he does short of a felony, to fend off the press and the Dems

Why does he have to fend them off? Why can't he just ignore them like Bush did? Bush had a lot of problems, but being thin skinned wasn't one of them.

I don't really care either, just making observations. I agree that Trump, the lesser of two evils, is vastly preferable to the true evil of Hillary.

On the other hand, he is not delivering on some of his big promises, like health care and tax reform, and I see no evidence that he is taking any leadership role there. Without those to boost the private sector, and with the lack of direction at the Fed, the economy will remain weak at best.

[classhandicapper]

On the other hand, he is not delivering on some of his big promises, like health care and tax reform, and I see no evidence that he is taking any leadership role there. Without those to boost the private sector, and with the lack of direction at the Fed, the economy will remain weak at best.

The democrats are delusional clueless nitwits.

The republicans are spineless and worthless.

[Clocker]

The republicans are spineless and worthless.

Neither the health care bill the House passed nor the one the Senate is working on seem to do an awful lot to actually repeal ObamaCare. The goal seems to be to prop up ObamaCare for a few more years with more federal money while backing off some on the mandates and killing the taxes. The latter requiring even more federal money to prop it up.

Both seem to be focused on stopping or rolling back the ObamaCare expansion of Medicaid while at the same time trying to look like they are not really cutting coverage for anyone. Lest anyone on the left be offended. :rolleyes:

One GOP Senator was asked why Congress seems so unprepared to deal with ObamaCare after trying to kill it for 7 years. He said that they didn't prepare legislation because they didn't believe that Trump would win the election.

[Tom]

Again, why? What is his crime exactly?


There was no crime.
There was no collusion.
There is only delusion.
And illusion.

Let's see if this has any legs.....

[Tom]

The democrats are delusional clueless nitwits.

The republicans are spineless and worthless.

I am now in favor of single-payer mandated health-care.
The republican are making me sick to my stomach.

The bill is a disaster - no real American will vote for it.
None of the negotiating going on is to benefit anyone of the people. The GOP must be destroyed.

No one is working harder to get Pelosi back than McConnel and Ryan. The Abbot and Costello of the Beltway.