Tolerance vs Acceptance

[Jess Hawsen Arown]

Political Correctness has destroyed the line that separates Tolerance from Acceptance. I accept the notion that the so-called LGBT community should have the same rights as everyone else. I know many who fall under that umbrella and some are friends. I tolerate any behavior where consenting adults do not commit crimes that affect other people. But I do not HAVE TO accept it. I don't want to see it or hear about. The fact that most major corporations honor these freaks as if their lifestyle was a beautiful thing is f*n insane.

Being otherwise normal people that exist in this world like everyone else, does not stop them from being freaks. I refer to current usage where the term 'freaks' is commonly used to refer to a person with something strikingly unusual about their appearance or behavior. I'll wager that many of us are freaks in some manner. If your freakishness does not harm anyone, I will TOLERATE it. But if it offends my personal beliefs, I will not ACCEPT it.

But in this despicable PC culture through which we suffer, toleration is not enough. We must accept that which we abhor. So screw your Gay Parades and screw your Gay Pride. If you want to be called 'married' to someone of the same sex that you love, I will tolerate it. Enjoy. Be happy. That union by itself would not disqualify you as a friend or co-worker. But our government ACCEPTING the marriage as if it was real, is another matter. For me, gay marriage is an issue created by gay activists for economic reasons.

DEATH TO POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. TOLERANCE IS NOT ACCEPTANCE.

[Inner Dirt]

I mostly agree and I am not the gay hater I am branded in here. Oddly enough all the gay friends I have had in the past (Don't know any gays where I live now) didn't like the over the top flamboyant in your face types either.
They did not attend gay pride events, did not have rainbow stickers on their car or fly rainbow flags. They identified themselves as human, not by their sexual orientation. I don't advertise that I am heterosexual so why should gay people advertise they are gay?

Also please stop with the stupid crap that gay people of today struggle like black people in 1955 Kentucky, last I checked you cannot hide the color of your skin, but you sure can hide what sex you are attracted to.

[steveb]

Political Correctness has destroyed the line that separates Tolerance from Acceptance. I accept the notion that the so-called LGBT community should have the same rights as everyone else. I know many who fall under that umbrella and some are friends. I tolerate any behavior where consenting adults do not commit crimes that affect other people. But I do not HAVE TO accept it. I don't want to see it or hear about. The fact that most major corporations honor these freaks as if their lifestyle was a beautiful thing is f*n insane.

Being otherwise normal people that exist in this world like everyone else, does not stop them from being freaks. I refer to current usage where the term 'freaks' is commonly used to refer to a person with something strikingly unusual about their appearance or behavior. I'll wager that many of us are freaks in some manner. If your freakishness does not harm anyone, I will TOLERATE it. But if it offends my personal beliefs, I will not ACCEPT it.

But in this despicable PC culture through which we suffer, toleration is not enough. We must accept that which we abhor. So screw your Gay Parades and screw your Gay Pride. If you want to be called 'married' to someone of the same sex that you love, I will tolerate it. Enjoy. Be happy. That union by itself would not disqualify you as a friend or co-worker. But our government ACCEPTING the marriage as if it was real, is another matter. For me, gay marriage is an issue created by gay activists for economic reasons.

DEATH TO POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. TOLERANCE IS NOT ACCEPTANCE.


weird

i look at it this way, if does not hurt/affect me in any way, and no crime is committed, then what others do is none of my business.
who gives a flying fig if they can get REALLY married?
if you don't want to accept it, then who cares, but why should they not be allowed to marry, just because YOU don't like it?


and to the next poster, i don't like the over the top stuff either, but that is an entirely different subject to the one of letting them wed legally.

[thaskalos]

Political Correctness has destroyed the line that separates Tolerance from Acceptance. I accept the notion that the so-called LGBT community should have the same rights as everyone else. I know many who fall under that umbrella and some are friends. I tolerate any behavior where consenting adults do not commit crimes that affect other people. But I do not HAVE TO accept it. I don't want to see it or hear about. The fact that most major corporations honor these freaks as if their lifestyle was a beautiful thing is f*n insane.

Being otherwise normal people that exist in this world like everyone else, does not stop them from being freaks. I refer to current usage where the term 'freaks' is commonly used to refer to a person with something strikingly unusual about their appearance or behavior. I'll wager that many of us are freaks in some manner. If your freakishness does not harm anyone, I will TOLERATE it. But if it offends my personal beliefs, I will not ACCEPT it.

But in this despicable PC culture through which we suffer, toleration is not enough. We must accept that which we abhor. So screw your Gay Parades and screw your Gay Pride. If you want to be called 'married' to someone of the same sex that you love, I will tolerate it. Enjoy. Be happy. That union by itself would not disqualify you as a friend or co-worker. But our government ACCEPTING the marriage as if it was real, is another matter. For me, gay marriage is an issue created by gay activists for economic reasons.

DEATH TO POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. TOLERANCE IS NOT ACCEPTANCE.

You "tolerate" any harmless behavior...but you don't want to see or hear of it...and it offends you when it receives televised attention. Why not just turn your head away...or switch the channel? How have you decided that the gay community is looking for your "acceptance"...rather than for your "tolerance"?

My own sister is gay, and only expects "acceptance" from her family. She is only looking for "tolerance" from the rest of the public. Do you find that gay people at large have greater expectations from YOU?

[Greyfox]

Political Correctness is the enemy of honest debate!

[JustRalph]

Thask, there are many gay persons that I find over the last few years that wear it on their sleeve and can't spend a day without telling someone they are gay, or act in such a flamboyant way that it's a spectacle.

This is a real difference from the past.

[thaskalos]

Thask, there are many gay persons that I find over the last few years that wear it on their sleeve and can't spend a day without telling someone they are gay, or act in such a flamboyant way that it's a spectacle.

This is a real difference from the past.

I agree with you, Ralph...and I've witnessed this behavior up-close. My own sister announced her sexual preference to me (which I long suspected), in a loud voice, in a crowded restaurant...and then accused me of "not supporting her" when I told her to keep her voice down...because the rest of the people there were not interested in our discussion. But the original poster here insists that "most major corporations honor these freaks as if their lifestyle is a beautiful thing"...and that's a gross exaggeration, IMO.

When I see a gay couple openly displaying their lifestyle in a loud manner...I don't think that they are looking for -- or care about -- my "acceptance". IMO...they couldn't care less if I "accept" them, or not. That's what my main objection is with this thread; the fact that "acceptance" has somehow entered the conversation here. I see all sorts of 'questionable" behavior in my life...and I never feel that I am asked to "accept" any of it. That's why I wondered if the original poster here has had a different experience in this than I have.

[NorCalGreg]

I agree with you, Ralph...and I've witnessed this behavior up-close. My own sister announced her sexual preference to me (which I long suspected), in a loud voice, in a crowded restaurant...and then accused me of "not supporting her" when I told her to keep her voice down...because the rest of the people there were not interested in our discussion. But the original poster here insists that "most major corporations honor these freaks as if their lifestyle is a beautiful thing"...and that's a gross exaggeration, IMO.

When I see a gay couple openly displaying their lifestyle in a loud manner...I don't think that they are looking for -- or care about -- my "acceptance". IMO...they couldn't care less if I "accept" them, or not. That's what my main objection is with this thread; the fact that "acceptance" has somehow entered the conversation here. I see all sorts of 'questionable" behavior in my life...and I never feel that I am asked to "accept" any of it. That's why I wondered if the original poster here has had a different experience in this than I have.

Have you been in the corporate world in the last ten years?

This is all I can think of right now---sorry....but watch the TV show "Top Chef"

Each contestant introduces themselves...a little bio, no big deal.

Now....why is it so vitally important the FIRST thing I know about ---is you are gay? What the hell does that have to do with cooking?

Another thing....."GAY PRIDE" --What is there to be proud of?

What was accomplished that is pride-worthy.?

I'm done--carry on.

[thaskalos]

Have you been in the corporate world in the last ten years?

This is all I can think of right now---sorry....but watch the TV show "Top Chef"

Each contestant introduces themselves...a little bio, no big deal.

Now....why is it so vitally important the FIRST thing I know about ---is you are gay? What the hell does that have to do with cooking?

Another thing....."GAY PRIDE" --What is there to be proud of?

What was accomplished that is pride-worthy.?

I'm done--carry on.

"Live and let live"...I say. If your behavior does me no harm...then I can tolerate it without any problem...even if you are "proud" of what I may find "ridiculous". I do this on this very board on an everyday basis...with posters whose "behavior" I find objectionable, and impossible to comprehend. This is a big world...and there is enough room here for all sorts of opinions, and "lifestyles".

I do what I do...and I let the rest of the world do likewise. Freedom for all. :ThmbUp:

[Inner Dirt]

But the original poster here insists that "most major corporations honor these freaks as if their lifestyle is a beautiful thing"...and that's a gross exaggeration, IMO.
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Probably should change major corporations to mainstream media and then you have a match.

My home page is MSN as I use their e-mail and weather since I first got on the internet. When Caitlyn Jenner was all the rage, headlines like "Caitlyn Jenner looks stunning in an evening gown" were very common. A heterosexual man that spent the last 30 years in the joint would not give Caitlyn a second look. The headlines were nothing but honoring the freak Caitlyn Jenner was and is.

[steveb]

Probably should change major corporations to mainstream media and then you have a match.

My home page is MSN as I use their e-mail and weather since I first got on the internet. When Caitlyn Jenner was all the rage, headlines like "Caitlyn Jenner looks stunning in an evening gown" were very common. A heterosexual man that spent the last 30 years in the joint would not give Caitlyn a second look. The headlines were nothing but honoring the freak Caitlyn Jenner was and is.

wow.
on full display.

[johnhannibalsmith]

I'm so sick and tired of hearing about everything gay this and that everywhere I look that I'm going to start another thread at Pace Advantage in which everyone can talk about what they think about all things gay for the billionth time. :lol:

[Clocker]

I'm so sick and tired of hearing about everything gay this and that everywhere I look that I'm going to start another thread at Pace Advantage in which everyone can talk about what they think about all things gay for the billionth time. :lol:

I am detecting negative vibes here about the ability of this thread to have any major impact on the issue. :popcorn:

[zico20]

You "tolerate" any harmless behavior...but you don't want to see or hear of it...and it offends you when it receives televised attention. Why not just turn your head away...or switch the channel? How have you decided that the gay community is looking for your "acceptance"...rather than for your "tolerance"?

My own sister is gay, and only expects "acceptance" from her family. She is only looking for "tolerance" from the rest of the public. Do you find that gay people at large have greater expectations from YOU?

These same gay people who think you should not be offended by their open lifestyle are the same ones who are demanding the removal of Confederate monuments that they are offended by. Turn your head away from the Confederate statues if they offend you.

Of course all liberals are offended by everything these days, which is so sad.

[barn32]

I don't like queers blacks or Asians, but I don't mind Jews as long as they don't talk very loud.

[MutuelClerk]

I miss Don Rickles.

Kind of odd the guys who can't stand talking and hearing the " gay " issue are the ones bringing it up. Any of you wanna come out? :)

[Fred Mertz]

I miss Don Rickles.


Do you miss Gomer Pyle too?

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

The Miller beer man distributed freebies to the tavern - koozie, coolie, huggy beer holders - they had Miller Lite on one side and a can of beer with the rainbow/gay colors on the other side. Hey, it's national LBGTQ/gay pride month, doncha know.:eek:

[Dave Schwartz]

This resides on my desk at all times.

I am not a Tarheels fan.

It is there to remind me that NOBODY CARES what I think.

https://www.practicalhandicapping.com/desktop/package/PublicImages/BBSImages/NC-Mug.jpg

[Tom]

[QUOTE=Fred Mertz;2186211]Do you miss Gomer Pyle too?/QUOTE]

Gollllleeeeee!
YES, I do!!!!!

Goober, too.

[chadk66]

they should have stayed in the closet

[Jess Hawsen Arown]

You "tolerate" any harmless behavior...but you don't want to see or hear of it...and it offends you when it receives televised attention. Why not just turn your head away...or switch the channel? How have you decided that the gay community is looking for your "acceptance"...rather than for your "tolerance"?

My own sister is gay, and only expects "acceptance" from her family. She is only looking for "tolerance" from the rest of the public. Do you find that gay people at large have greater expectations from YOU?

I don't see where you are disagreeing with me. Acceptance from her family and tolerance from everyone else is exactly where I am. Hopefully none of her friends or family have turned on her. I have a close friend who must have said something his gay daughter took the wrong way, and she won't speak to him any more. He doesn't know what he said, but he misses her very much.

I don't know that gay people AT LARGE have greater expectations, but gay ACTIVISTS surely do. And these are the cretins who think the world owes them that really fries my bacon. And the problem is that POLITICAL CORRECTNESS makes these activist cretins spokespeople in the media.

And if you dare to challenge these activists, you are labeled homophobic regardless of what else you say. It is exactly the same with Obama. If you have a problem with what he does, you must be a racist.

DEATH TO POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!!

[NorCalGreg]

[QUOTE=Fred Mertz;2186211]Do you miss Gomer Pyle too?/QUOTE]

Gollllleeeeee!
YES, I do!!!!!

Goober, too.

Goober was funny at "the fillin station" in Mayberry.

Once...their was a fire at the station...Goober called the fire dept for help.

They said "Okay--How do we get there"?

Goober: "Don't ya'll still have that red truck?"

[PhantomOnTour]

These same gay people who think you should not be offended by their open lifestyle are the same ones who are demanding the removal of Confederate monuments that they are offended by. Turn your head away from the Confederate statues if they offend you.

Of course all liberals are offended by everything these days, which is so sad.

These quotes say more about you than anyone else. Good luck with that Zico

[Marshall Bennett]

Acceptance? Gays (most) will openly showcase and parade their sexual preference because they have a need to be "accepted" as normal, which they are not. Whether it be religion, biology, or which ever source you try to argue differently from, its not normal.

[Robert Fischer]

sentiment like those espoused in this thread are a big reason that the dynamics exist which cause a profitable environment for the media's exploitation of sexual preference/taboo

[jimmyb]

Exposing their genitals to the crowd, women marching topless, a naked man walking on stilts... these all took place during pride parades in New York and here in Boston. All arrestable offenses but none were taken to jail. The mayor of Boston even led the parade!

Tolerance and acceptance is not something you'll get from me regarding the above behavior.

[Nutz and Boltz]

Exposing their genitals to the crowd, women marching topless, a naked man walking on stilts... these all took place during pride parades in New York and here in Boston.

Public lewdness is now considered as "making a statement" !:faint:

[PaceAdvantage]

I refer to current usage where the term 'freaks' is commonly used to refer to a person with something strikingly unusual about their appearance or behavior.You might have a point if we had gay people fornicating in the streets left and right...but I have never seen two gay people having sex in public (come to think of it, pretty sure I've never seen any heteros having sex in public either), and I'm guessing few, if any, on this board have seen that either.

Thus, I'm not quite sure how you can label someone a freak for their behavior when you have never seen such behavior yourself (I'm assuming here).

This thread is pretty stupid...and offensive.

Nobody cares who you think is a freak or that you tolerate but don't accept gay people.

As far as I'm concerned, people can do whatever the hell they want as long as they aren't breaking the law or harming anyone else (that's kind of redundant, but you get my point). I both tolerate and accept that.

And for the record, it's attitudes like yours that gives the people you don't accept the ammunition to piss you off further...:lol:

[NJ Stinks]

You might have a point if we had gay people fornicating in the streets left and right...but I have never seen two gay people having sex in public (come to think of it, pretty sure I've never seen any heteros having sex in public either), and I'm guessing few, if any, on this board have seen that either.

Thus, I'm not quite sure how you can label someone a freak for their behavior when you have never seen such behavior yourself (I'm assuming here).

This thread is pretty stupid...and offensive.

Nobody cares who you think is a freak or that you tolerate but don't accept gay people.

As far as I'm concerned, people can do whatever the hell they want as long as they aren't breaking the law or harming anyone else (that's kind of redundant, but you get my point). I both tolerate and accept that.

And for the record, it's attitudes like yours that gives the people you don't accept the ammunition to piss you off further...:lol:

Ah - the wisdom of Solomon! :ThmbUp:

[jimmyb]

Public lewdness is now considered as "making a statement" !:faint:
I'll publicly piss on that.:jump:

[NorCalGreg]

This thread is pretty stupid...and offensive.

Nobody cares who you think is a freak or that you tolerate but don't accept gay people.



If I may answer in kind:

Nobody cares if you accept and tolerate sexual perversion. Personally, I think it's disgusting. I don't have to--nor would I ever watch any of this garbage...to know it exists.

I agree this thread is stupid and offensive. To me.

Get angry--delete my post--do what you must to continue the politically correct theme.

"Normal" people still have a right to their UNpolitically correct opinion...

[PaceAdvantage]

If I may answer in kind:

Nobody cares if you accept and tolerate sexual perversion. Personally, I think it's disgusting. I don't have to--nor would I ever watch any of this garbage...to know it exists.

I agree this thread is stupid and offensive. To me.

Get angry--delete my post--do what you must to continue the politically correct theme.

"Normal" people still have a right to their UNpolitically correct opinion...Put on your big boy pants and grow up Greg.

I'm not angry, and I would never dream of deleting your post or this thread. It's always good to know where people stand on certain issues.

This isn't about being politically correct. It's about being a human being.

What is "normal" exactly? There are people out there who think it's not "normal" for a straight white person to be romantically involved with a straight "non-white" person. You're aware of this, right? These people are probably as disgusted at seeing a mixed-race hetero couple as you are at seeing a gay couple (and I presume male couples are even more "disgusting" than a female couple, especially if the females are "hot," right Greg? LMAO).

Big boy pants...big boy pants. There's a lot more to this world than what was spelled out in the Bible thousands of years ago.

[jimmyb]

George Washington at 16 years young wrote these. Check out number 7

http://www.foundationsmag.com/civility.html

[NorCalGreg]

Put on your big boy pants and grow up Greg.

I'm not angry, and I would never dream of deleting your post or this thread. It's always good to know where people stand on certain issues.

This isn't about being politically correct. It's about being a human being.

What is "normal" exactly? There are people out there who think it's not "normal" for a straight white person to be romantically involved with a straight "non-white" person. You're aware of this, right? These people are probably as disgusted at seeing a mixed-race hetero couple as you are at seeing a gay couple (and I presume male couples are even more "disgusting" than a female couple, especially if the females are "hot," right Greg? LMAO).

Big boy pants...big boy pants. There's a lot more to this world than what was spelled out in the Bible thousands of years ago.

Did you really just drop the "what is normal" card? Just go ahead and compare me to Hitler--and officially surrender this debate.

[Inner Dirt]

Did you really just drop the "what is normal" card? Just go ahead and compare me to Hitler--and officially surrender this debate.

You have already been compared to a racist or is my reading comprehension off?

[PaceAdvantage]

Did you really just drop the "what is normal" card? Just go ahead and compare me to Hitler--and officially surrender this debate.Great comeback by the way. :rolleyes:

But now that you bring him up, Hitler wasn't very accepting of gay people either...as I recall.

[delayjf]

You might have a point if we had gay people fornicating in the streets left and right...but I have never seen two gay people having sex in public (come to think of it, pretty sure I've never seen any heteros having sex in public either), and I'm guessing few, if any, on this board have seen that either.

Have you ever been to New Orleans during the Decadence Festival".

[delayjf]

Speaking of "normal"

https://www.onenewsnow.com/perspectives/todd-starnes/2017/06/19/armys-transgender-training-addresses-male-pregnancies?utm_source=OneNewsNow&utm_medium=email&utm_term=16787507&utm_content=475295394575&utm_campaign=29974

[Robert Fischer]

the 'pronoun thing' is something I always get wrong.

If I see a guy dressed up as a woman, I refer to that person with male pronouns.

Unless the media uses obvious direct reference, I'm often slow on the uptake when the media features a 'transgendered woman'. I'm thinking that has to be talking about a woman who decides to dress like a guy, but the media uses that label for a guy who's obviously dressing like a woman.

If they 'fool me', then I refer to that person with pronouns that (hopefully?) match whatever gender designation that person was shooting for.

It has some flaws, but I think it's ultimately a fair system.


Reminds me of my short-lived career as a black comedian. The hostile, insensitive crowd treated me like a Michael Richards or something.

[Inner Dirt]

Speaking of "normal"

https://www.onenewsnow.com/perspectives/todd-starnes/2017/06/19/armys-transgender-training-addresses-male-pregnancies?utm_source=OneNewsNow&utm_medium=email&utm_term=16787507&utm_content=475295394575&utm_campaign=29974


You sure that isn't on Onion article? Are you kidding me?

[delayjf]

Same story listed on Fox as well - looks to be true

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/06/16/armys-transgender-policy-includes-guidelines-on-male-pregnancies.html