Disco Partner and the impact on Handicappers

[NY BRED]

It appears the final time of Disco Partner has been accepted by
the various authorities at NYRA,not necessarily by all of the
public, including owners,trainers, and seasoned handicappers.

Regardless, do the various software programs, DRF, etc need to be adjusted
based on this incredible time?
:eek::eek::eek:

[cj]

It appears the final time of Disco Partner has been accepted by
the various authorities at NYRA,not necessarily by all of the
public, including owners,trainers, and seasoned handicappers.

Regardless, do the various software programs, DRF, etc need to be adjusted
based on this incredible time?
:eek::eek::eek:

The time is correct in my opinion. In the photo attached, I froze the video on the wire, then backed up the video by the official time and the horses are pretty much right on the 6f pole. I'm not precise to the hundredth of a second but within a fifth, definitely.

[GMB@BP]

I dont understand why this time is so suspect. I know decent stake horses have gone 106 and change at Turf Paradise, so given the super speedy surface last weekend its not unbelievable that a very good turf horse could go sub 106.

[cj]

I dont understand why this time is so suspect. I know decent stake horses have gone 106 and change at Turf Paradise, so given the super speedy surface last weekend its not unbelievable that a very good turf horse could go sub 106.

It was kind of a stars aligning thing:


Fast track
Fast horses
Sweeping turns
Decent length run up
Fast pace


Probably a few other things too.

[AltonKelsey]

The only way the time is wrong, is if the poles are wrong.

I can pretty much guarantee those horses will LOSE some races in much slower time this season.

[cj]

The only way the time is wrong, is if the poles are wrong.

I can pretty much guarantee those horses will LOSE some races in much slower time this season.

Even if they are wrong it is the same poles they've been using for eons. Trakus agrees though (even faster), so saying the distance is short is probably a non-starter.

[AltonKelsey]

I was suggesting the poles might have been moved, as the only explanation for a BAD time. ;)

[Vinnie]

It was kind of a stars aligning thing:


Fast track
Fast horses
Sweeping turns
Decent length run up
Fast pace


Probably a few other things too.

Hello CJ:

Have to strongly agree on all of the above points. Combination of fast horses laying down very solid fractions with a Horse Like #2 DISCO PARTNER seeming to ideally love to sit off of the pace and make a mad rush of a run down the stretch. Disco Partner rushed up late in a race where exceptionally solid or fast fractions were being laid down and still had enough punch left to finish strongly after executing that incredibly athletic move to clear the apparently slowing #1 horse Loose on The Town and coming off the rail to engage the #4 Green Mask. It was an ideal set up and often ideal set ups and sets of circumstances can result in a very favorable outcome or exceptional times ran as was the case with this year's renewal of the Jaipur Stakes. :) It was awesome and was one of those races that reminds me of why I have always been so enamored since the first live race I ever saw at now sadly defunct Garden State Park in watching these beautiful creatures do their thing for quite a few years now.... ;)

[CincyHorseplayer]

Hello CJ:

Have to strongly agree on all of the above points. Combination of fast horses laying down very solid fractions with a Horse Like #2 DISCO PARTNER seeming to ideally love to sit off of the pace and make a mad rush of a run down the stretch. Disco Partner rushed up late in a race where exceptionally solid or fast fractions were being laid down and still had enough punch left to finish strongly after executing that incredibly athletic move to clear the apparently slowing #1 horse Loose on The Town and coming off the rail to engage the #4 Green Mask. It was an ideal set up and often ideal set ups and sets of circumstances can result in a very favorable outcome or exceptional times ran as was the case with this year's renewal of the Jaipur Stakes. :) It was awesome and was one of those races that reminds me of why I have always been so enamored since the first live race I ever saw at now sadly defunct Garden State Park in watching these beautiful creatures do their thing for quite a few years now.... ;)

Always dig your takes Vin:ThmbUp:

I got into this in 96 and liked Garden State too. And like you thought it was pretty special seeing this race. Even if I was 3rd at 18-1!

[Vinnie]

Right back at you Cincy!! :) Always thoroughly enjoy reading your posts.... Yes, the first place I ever saw a race live was at Garden State Park in 1997. It was a cheap claiming race and I didn't even place a bet quite frankly. I just stood down near the finish line and saw these Big, Wonderfully Brilliant and Unbelievable creatures run by in what seemed to be in a mere flash of a split second with these phenomenal athletes on their backs, and, from that point on, I was forever a hopeless case. Or, at least, I believe it was from that point since. :lol:

[cj]

I spent more nights that I can count at Garden State back in the mid 80s through early 90s. (Freehold too!)

[NY BRED]

I spent more nights that I can count at Garden State back in the mid 80s through early 90s. (Freehold too!)

The paddock was incredible, many timew went through the back roads
to AC.

That said, I had the "pleasure"of meeting Mr Brennan who ultimately
paid his "dues": iironically his fate was linked to his stable name,
Due Process...

[Vinnie]

Awesome stuff that you used to go there often back in the 80's and 90's CJ! It is so cool that all of you guys (Cincy, CJ and NY BRED) used to go their often when it was up and going until the late 90's. I am sad for I believe Mr. Brennan (I presume the eventual owner) who put so much into it in terms of blood, sweat and tears and a heck of a lot of money to boot. The floors with the marble, the nice escalators and the beautiful statues of horses and jockeys at the front area where you first walked in. It was a pretty neat place to watch the races back then. CJ, I lived in OKC just before moving to New Jersey in middle 1997, and I never made it to Remington Park and I regret that. Who knows, maybe one day, I will get out there to watch some races. Did you ever make it to REM PARK when you were living in Oklahoma?!

[cj]

Awesome stuff that you used to go there often back in the 80's and 90's CJ! It is so cool that all of you guys (Cincy, CJ and NY BRED) used to go their often when it was up and going until the late 90's. I am sad for I believe Mr. Brennan (I presume the eventual owner) who put so much into it in terms of blood, sweat and tears and a heck of a lot of money to boot. The floors with the marble, the nice escalators and the beautiful statues of horses and jockeys at the front area where you first walked in. It was a pretty neat place to watch the races back then. CJ, I lived in OKC just before moving to New Jersey in middle 1997, and I never made it to Remington Park and I regret that. Who knows, maybe one day, I will get out there to watch some races. Did you ever make it to REM PARK when you were living in Oklahoma?!

I'm still in OKC, I go occasionally. A few times during QHs just to say hi to friends, more often during the thoroughbreds, three of four times a month.

[Vinnie]

Nice!! Is it a good/friendly environment to watch the races there at Remington Park? Do they also have decent food offerings at the track, etc.?

[cj]

Nice!! Is it a good/friendly environment to watch the races there at Remington Park? Do they also have decent food offerings at the track, etc.?

Remington is a nice facility. The atmosphere is good and separated from the casino. It is harder to find the casino than the track. :) No admission or parking fees

Food is decent, there are two restaurants that are shared with the casino. Track food is nothing to write home about that I remember. I always go in the casino to grab free soft drinks :)

[Vinnie]

CJ:

Thank you for the excellent feedback on Remington Park. I most definitely have to get over to the facility to check out some races next time I go back home and also make it to the OKC area for a visit. :)

[cj]

CJ:

Thank you for the excellent feedback on Remington Park. I most definitely have to get over to the facility to check out some races next time I go back home and also make it to the OKC area for a visit. :)

Let me know, I'll give you the tour. :)

[Vinnie]

CJ:

You are indeed a true gentleman sir, and, I would most definitely take you up on your offer as I would sincerely enjoy getting the opportunity to meet you..:)

All the BEST!

[soonboomer]

Remington is a nice facility. The atmosphere is good and separated from the casino. It is harder to find the casino than the track. :) No admission or parking fees

Food is decent, there are two restaurants that are shared with the casino. Track food is nothing to write home about that I remember. I always go in the casino to grab free soft drinks :)

I was at Remington Park the day it opened. Published a couple of tip sheets there from 1988-1998. I don't know if there is another track in the country that's more influenced by the wind.

[Mulerider]

Remington is a nice facility. The atmosphere is good and separated from the casino. It is harder to find the casino than the track. :) No admission or parking fees

Food is decent, there are two restaurants that are shared with the casino. Track food is nothing to write home about that I remember. I always go in the casino to grab free soft drinks :)

Next time I'm up that way during the season I plan to visit the track. Useless trivia: Remington Park was built by Edward J. DeBartolo Sr., who also built Louisiana Downs.

[NY BRED]

Hi Vinnie;

As a side note Due Process stable was located in Colts Neck, New Jersey,
roughly 90 minutes from the former site of Garden State(Cherry
Hill,NJ),

The DP location now consists of multi million dollar homes,
and quite a few of the owners are involved with equines
ie;Tbreds, dressage etc..

My understanding from several friends living nearby is
Julie Krone, one of my favorites jockeys,lived in Colts Neck.

Perhapsi if I ever get on Jeopardy, and the category centers on this
topic, I can recoup my losing bets in racing.

:jump::jump:

[Vinnie]

I love it!! I think that what you have alluded to clearly meets the very definition of an extreme obscure reference NY BRED.... Excellent stuff!! ;)
Thanks for sharing that information. I had never before heard of the Due Process Stable and I too really like Julie Krone...

[cj]

Next time I'm up that way during the season I plan to visit the track. Useless trivia: Remington Park was built by Edward J. DeBartolo Sr., who also built Louisiana Downs.

Let me know when you're here!

It also used an artifical surface named Equitrack in the beginning, but it didn't work well here. It was too hot.

[classhandicapper]

The thing that struck me about the time of this race was that I remember when I fist started getting interested in this game. If a horse cracked 110 and got into the 109s he was considered flying. If a horse broke 109 and got into the 108s that was a real "wow!". Now, those times are routine.

[whodoyoulike]

It appears the final time of Disco Partner has been accepted by
the various authorities at NYRA,not necessarily by all of the
public, including owners,trainers, and seasoned handicappers.

Regardless, do the various software programs, DRF, etc need to be adjusted
based on this incredible time?
:eek::eek::eek:

I don't get the title of this thread.

What's the impact on handicappers because of Disco Partner's (a gray) performance?

Somebody on here a little while back mentioned about doing a query on Gray or Roan horses performances, today would still be a good day to start.

[Mulerider]

Let me know when you're here!

It also used an artifical surface named Equitrack in the beginning, but it didn't work well here. It was too hot.

Thanks, CJ! I just might take you up on that. I remember reading that about Equitrack. Coming from Texas, where asphalt streets liquefy in the summer, I wasn't surprised!

Mule

[soonboomer]

Let me know when you're here!

It also used an artifical surface named Equitrack in the beginning, but it didn't work well here. It was too hot.

I have some samples from the track surface from various times over a period of a few years. The surface was a sand based track that was coated with some sort of polymer that made it resistant to rain......the main problem was that the polymer would break down over time under the heat of the sun. When it was good, it would yield some amazingly fast times. (I once owned part of a mid level claiming horse who once ran 1:14 and change for 6 1/2 furlongs). There were surface specialists who were beasts here who couldn't win anywhere else, and conversely, good trainers would send nice horses here for the bigger races and often they would get crushed by what appeared to be vastly inferior local horses. Interesting times.