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jocko699
06-08-2017, 09:38 PM
Reports say he is being treated for lameness. Anyone heard anything?

nancy4487
06-08-2017, 11:05 PM
I yesterdays vet report treated with Bute

jocko699
06-08-2017, 11:12 PM
I yesterdays vet report treated with Bute

Nancy,

Thank you. I had heard he wouldn't go to the track for conditioning and they treated a limb for potential lameness.

nancy4487
06-08-2017, 11:18 PM
Check out today's report:
https://www.gaming.ny.gov/pdf/06.08.17.BelmontStakes.pdf

Most have been treated with anti inflammatories or gastric issues!

Mulerider
06-09-2017, 09:25 AM
Check out today's report:
https://www.gaming.ny.gov/pdf/06.08.17.BelmontStakes.pdf

Most have been treated with anti inflammatories or gastric issues!

It looks like Epicharis was given an injection of another pain reliever/anti-inflammatory NSAID, Ketoprofen.

Once again the vet's handwriting makes it impossible to read the diagnosis. Guessing the first word is muscle, last word inflammatory. Absolutely no clue what's in between them. (Naturally, the diagnosis is directly under the warning, Illegible Records Will Not Be Accepted.)

Mulerider
06-09-2017, 10:46 AM
Thanks to a poster at Bloodhorse, the latest diagnosis has been deciphered as "Musculoskeletal inflammatory."

The trainer said yesterday that he plans to work the horse today, so we should know soon enough. If he skips today too, then I would think the chances of Epicharis scratching would be pretty high.

Mule

Mulerider
06-09-2017, 11:58 AM
Shows what I know. As posted in another thread, Epicharis skipped training again this morning. According to a NYRA spokesman, he'll be treated with ice today and is still hoping to make the race. No comment from the trainer.

Bloodhorse: Epicharis Bypasses Training Again at Belmont Park (http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/222028/epicharis-bypasses-training-again-at-belmont-park)

LemonSoupKid
06-09-2017, 12:21 PM
Shows what I know. As posted in another thread, Epicharis skipped training again this morning. According to a NYRA spokesman, he'll be treated with ice today and is still hoping to make the race. No comment from the trainer.

Bloodhorse: Epicharis Bypasses Training Again at Belmont Park (http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/222028/epicharis-bypasses-training-again-at-belmont-park)

They're clearly just waiting it out. No one wants to injure a horse, nor does anyone want to bet on one with already so many existing questions. Since they made the trip, they'll give it to the last minute before scratching him.

Would anyone seriously take anything at this point under 10-1?

swiss cheese
06-09-2017, 12:49 PM
They're clearly just waiting it out. No one wants to injure a horse, nor does anyone want to bet on one with already so many existing questions. Since they made the trip, they'll give it to the last minute before scratching him.

Would anyone seriously take anything at this point under 10-1?
he should be an auto toss at this point.

Robert Fischer
06-09-2017, 12:55 PM
We still don't know that the trainer simply didn't want an extra day of NSAID.

TheGarMan
06-09-2017, 01:38 PM
I was seriously considering this horse.....

But now?

I guess if you want to take a largely unknown training schedule , combine it with an 11 week layoff and a trip half way around the world, and now a possibility of being "lame" all at the low, low price of 4/1 ?

Be my guest.

I'll let him beat me. :popcorn:

Gar

betovernetcapper
06-09-2017, 01:43 PM
Just watching the Matt B show on DRF & he's been treated with Bute & as mentioned before has lameness. No one is saying how bad the lameness is. It could be just a little sore of it could be a career ender. At any rate, this coupled with a 11 week lay off makes him a toss for me. If he runs, I'd expect him to contribute to the early pace for a 1/2 mile or 6 furlongs and then drop out.
It's too bad because he has speed & can be rated. If he were dead fit, a long dirt route would suit him very well & this is not a star studded field. The connections have spent a lot of time & money to get here & are likely to be tempted to run even if he's not 100%. I wouldn't blame them, but 90% is probably not going to get the money.

devilsbag
06-09-2017, 02:46 PM
Rumors circulating that it was bad sushi.

Blenheim
06-09-2017, 07:29 PM
"I guess (it's) in the hoof area, but I don't want to get into the specifics on it, because I'm not the right person to do that. But it's not an abscess," Panza said. "They've been working on it with ice and just helping the natural (process). He was off a couple days ago and that happens occasionally.

He was walking sound yesterday and continues to walk sound today. They're pretty confident he's OK, but it's something you deal with. This happens to be a grade 1 race and a very important horse, so this becomes a bigger issue."


http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/222028/epicharis-bypasses-training-again-at-belmont-park

(http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/222028/epicharis-bypasses-training-again-at-belmont-park)
(http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/222028/epicharis-bypasses-training-again-at-belmont-park)
Wow, I thought this was drama before, this sure ups the Stakes. My gut tells me this is strategic misdirection intended to confuse the other trainers and jockeys.

:11:

Lookin' forward to the Belmont Stakes!

bobphilo
06-09-2017, 09:28 PM
I was seriously considering this horse.....

But now?

I guess if you want to take a largely unknown training schedule , combine it with an 11 week layoff and a trip half way around the world, and now a possibility of being "lame" all at the low, low price of 4/1 ?

Be my guest.

I'll let him beat me. :popcorn:

Gar

Plus throw in the fact that his best Timeform figure is lower than the rest of the field, I wouldn't bet him at 4-1 even if he hadn't missed training.

handyman1968
06-09-2017, 11:38 PM
It does not matter if his foot suddenly heal and he's ready to run again. Missing works leading to the race is a concern and yes he's an automatic toss out at the moment.

analyzer
06-10-2017, 02:03 AM
This horse has traveled half way around the world. It has been pointed toward this race. I would not think the connections would take a chance on running the horse if there is a doubt. The extra 1 Million Bonus if the horse wins the race in addition to the winners share of the purse might cause one to wait to make this decision. This does not eliminate the foot problem but it does provide a Million Dollar explanation for the last minute decision.

jettroofer
06-10-2017, 02:05 AM
I was told by someone at the track today that Epicharis was on ice the day before the UAE Derby as well. Haven't been able to verify this but if it's true, those that back him should appreciate the extra odds

Mulerider
06-10-2017, 10:29 AM
DRF reporting this morning that Epicharis is a go, pending examinations by 5(!) veterinarians. No treatment listed last night; he's now fitted with a glue-on shoe on the suspect right front.

olddaddy
06-10-2017, 10:36 AM
Shows scratched

Alwaysonpoint36
06-10-2017, 10:38 AM
He's out

Mulerider
06-10-2017, 10:43 AM
Yep, vet scratch. Heat in the affected hoof.

classhandicapper
06-10-2017, 10:50 AM
I had a conversation about this horse with a friend yesterday and told him I thought it would be miraculous if the horse got past the vet. I've had horses look 100% sound, be working regularly with no issue, the trainer thinks the horse is doing well and the horse did not get past the vet because they thought something was a little off. Then when we had the horse checked our the vet was right. The vets at NYRA are very good at what they do and they are very cautious. This horse had a clear problem and wasn't even working.

Blenheim
06-10-2017, 11:34 AM
Unfortunate.

I was looking forward to the drama, but it wasn't meant to be. Sure is a tough game this hoss' racin', thinkin' maybe the differing surface conditions during that blow out the other day is implicated here.

I wish the horse and his connections well. Thanks for givin' it a go, it was fun while it lasted and that's all one can ask. Have a nice flight back home. Maybe see ya next time.

Domo,

:11:

Mulerider
06-10-2017, 01:17 PM
Kudos to the vets. I suspect the NSAIDs masked the hot hoof on Thursday and Friday, and once it was withdrawn the symptoms reappeared. I like the no-bute-within-24 hours rule. Might have saved this horse, you never know.

handyman1968
06-10-2017, 04:10 PM
It's a shame because I think he stacks very well against this years crop of 3yr olds. But without the hoof issues I also think he was going be be around 5-1 and that made him unplayable already. The Japanese are the most sporting horse owners when it comes to traveling their horse and look forward to them one day winning their holy grail, the Arc.

Ruffian1
06-10-2017, 04:57 PM
Kudos to the vets. I suspect the NSAIDs masked the hot hoof on Thursday and Friday, and once it was withdrawn the symptoms reappeared. I like the no-bute-within-24 hours rule. Might have saved this horse, you never know.


It might ease some of the pain and make the horse more comfortable, but I have never seen NSAIDS fully mask heat in a hoof.

The pulse is rapid no matter the bute in most cases.

Thus, the heat.

Hoops McCann
06-12-2017, 11:56 AM
disappointing. i wanted to see how he measured up and would've added some flavor to the Belmont. now it's highly unlikely he races outside of Japan again.