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TheOracle
05-30-2017, 08:57 AM
W I Mott has just 3 wins in Stakes races going back to April 30th, 2016

http://www.insidethenumbers.net/images/comments/w mottbelstks.jpg


His horses aren't even hitting the board his Allowance races are just as bad

I don't like avoiding Trainers but I will have to avoid his horses in Stakes races

Prof.Factor
05-30-2017, 12:56 PM
That is Belmont only stakes? At non-Belmont stakes I have him at 16% (30/187).

PaceAdvantage
05-30-2017, 01:27 PM
Probably what happened was he changed his name from Bill to W I

just kidding

:pound:

TheOracle
05-30-2017, 02:37 PM
That is Belmont only stakes? At non-Belmont stakes I have him at 16% (30/187).

Hey Prof

Yes, I only have Belmont data but 16% across tracks for Stakes is still pretty low

I wish I knew what happened to his barn

n.c
05-31-2017, 08:49 PM
so it is possible that he gets the good horses...

CincyHorseplayer
05-31-2017, 09:47 PM
16% stakes wins isn't low.

whodoyoulike
05-31-2017, 10:03 PM
I like your database.

Just recently, someone else was complaining about Mott and I provided some stats from Equibase where his 2017 stats ITM% and average per $ start were almost the same as his career ITM% and average $ per start. Considering the span of his career, that's still pretty good.

You can verify on the Equibase website by searching trainer.

Does anyone know where he also has a stable besides NY?

Prof.Factor
05-31-2017, 11:50 PM
Kentucky .... CD/KEE not ELP

Inner Dirt
06-01-2017, 08:58 AM
16% stakes wins isn't low.

No kidding, that would be average if a stakes race had an average of 6.25 entrants and I am taking a wild guess it is much higher than that.

jimmyb
06-01-2017, 09:58 AM
16% against the best trainers and horses is very commendable

menifee
06-01-2017, 10:13 AM
I think Mott is one of the most patient trainers I have ever seen. He really takes his time with his horses. I have a feeling come summer and fall, his horses will start doing better than so far in 2017.

Arapola
06-02-2017, 05:49 PM
Bet him on his birthday at Saratoga. He usually wins one.

TheOracle
06-03-2017, 02:13 AM
Bet him on his birthday at Saratoga. He usually wins one.

Hey Arapola

Mott has a horse entered in a Stakes race on the Turf at Belmont

9th race
#9 Good Samaritan

Let's see if he can get his 4th Stakes race win in almost a year!!!

I have my doubts!!!

TheOracle
06-04-2017, 01:41 PM
Hey Arapola

Mott has a horse entered in a Stakes race on the Turf at Belmont

9th race
#9 Good Samaritan

Let's see if he can get his 4th Stakes race win in almost a year!!!

I have my doubts!!!


Well it looks like my suspicions were correct as #9 Good Samaritan finished 2nd and Mott has not won a Stakes race at Belmont since June 11th 2016

http://www.insidethenumbers.net/images/comments/mltwoonemdnbeltdy.jpg

The losing streak for Mott continues as his horses have gone 0 for 18 in Stakes races at Belmont

Tough times continue for the Mott barn

n.c
06-05-2017, 11:47 PM
:popcorn:

TheOracle
06-06-2017, 12:35 AM
:popcorn:
0-8 on 3-1 and under


Hey N.C.

You got it bro just horrible

http://www.insidethenumbers.net/images/comments/w i motthorriblebel.jpg

His barn has just been awful lately

TheOracle
06-06-2017, 09:43 AM
Hey N.C.

You got it bro just horrible

http://www.insidethenumbers.net/images/comments/w i motthorriblebel.jpg

His barn has just been awful lately

Hey N.C.

If the pattern continues it looks like he will be off the board in the next outing and then a 2nd place finish for the one after that for this situation

It will be interesting to see if he will eventually get a win in the near future

n.c
06-06-2017, 08:30 PM
on fav's seem to hit at a high rate, at least the place..Mott needs to get a chemist working for him:headbanger:

I still like Mott, seems like a honest trainer.

n.c
06-06-2017, 08:32 PM
seems like Turf traners cheat less than Dirt trainers.

TheOracle
06-06-2017, 10:15 PM
Chad Brown
on fav's seem to hit at a high rate, at least the place..Mott needs to get a chemist working for him:headbanger:

I still like Mott, seems like a honest trainer.

Hey N.C.

Yes, Brown hits at a high rate when his horses Morning Lines are less than 3-1

http://www.insidethenumbers.net/images/comments/c c brownfavsmlbel.jpg

His horses are winning at 46.8% but you are only getting a 9% return on your money per $2 win wager when they are less than 3-1 in the Morning Line

You get a much better return at distances of 1 Mile or better

http://www.insidthenumbers.net/images/comments/c c brownfavsbelmlrs.jpghttp://www.insidethenumbers.net/images/comments/c c brownfavsbelmlrs.jpg

His horses are winning at 54.5% and you are getting a 29% return per $2 win wager so this might be where it is best to play his horses

Back to back wins seem to be followed by a loss then a win almost every other time

So I guess the chemist likes route races !!!

n.c
06-17-2017, 11:59 PM
ahead

how about just doubling your betting moneys?? on Brown horses
10 dollars, if y ou lose, next time 20, if you lose, put 40, if you lose put 80 and if you lose put 160. so he only has to win once every 5 times:headbanger:
if he does not win the 5th time, just stop betting his horses

n.c
06-18-2017, 12:04 AM
a 120 dollar return

you put 10 to win
if you lose, put 20
if you lose , put 40
if you win, go back to putting 10 dollars:headbanger:

This on a mile and longer races:headbanger:

mikeb
06-18-2017, 10:12 AM
and find a bridge:headbanger:

TheOracle
06-18-2017, 01:10 PM
a 120 dollar return

you put 10 to win
if you lose, put 20
if you lose , put 40
if you win, go back to putting 10 dollars:headbanger:

This on a mile and longer races:headbanger:

Hey N.C.

You might have to go win, lose, lose, win which seems to be the new pattern so I think you need just 1 more win bet hahaha !!!!

and find a bridge:headbanger:

Hey Mike, what if you jump off the bridge and he wins his next race? You won't be able to cash hahaha lol !!!

At any rate, since this post, when his horses were less than 3-1 in the Morning Line at distances of 1 Mile or better his wins were followed by 2 losses

http://www.insidethenumbers.net/images/comments/c c brownltthrmlmrbel.jpg

So maybe he gets a win in his next outing in this situation

I will be keeping an eye one it today!!!

TheOracle
06-18-2017, 01:36 PM
Hey N.C.

You might have to go win, lose, lose, win which seems to be the new pattern so I think you need just 1 more win bet hahaha !!!!



Hey Mike, what if you jump off the bridge and he wins his next race? You won't be able to cash hahaha lol !!!

At any rate, since this post, when his horses were less than 3-1 in the Morning Line at distances of 1 Mile or better his wins were followed by 2 losses

http://www.insidethenumbers.net/images/comments/c c brownltthrmlmrbel.jpg

So maybe he gets a win in his next outing in this situation

I will be keeping an eye one it today!!!


He has 9 entered today at Belmont surprise surprise!!!

http://www.insidethenumbers.net/images/comments/c c brownnineatbeltdy.jpg

These are less than 3-1 in the Morning Line at distances of 1 Mile or better

http://www.insidethenumbers.net/images/comments/c c brownmleovrbel.jpg

If the pattern holds it looks like #3 Minsky Moment will win in the 5th and #2 Projected will lose in the 8th

Let's see what happens and how far your $10 roll will go hahaha lol!!!

whodoyoulike
06-18-2017, 06:39 PM
Hey N.C.

You might have to go win, lose, lose, win which seems to be the new pattern so I think you need just 1 more win bet hahaha !!!! ...

So maybe he gets a win in his next outing in this situation

I will be keeping an eye one it today!!!

Is this the way you handicap?

TheOracle
06-18-2017, 07:22 PM
Is this the way you handicap?

Hey Who

To be honest, I don't handicap anymore N.C. and I were just having a laugh at Brown and wouldn't you know it #3 Minsky Moment won and #2 Projected lost just as we joked

Don't you just love this game hahaha lol !!!

n.c
06-18-2017, 07:32 PM
it is very tough to break even...but you can make $$$, if you quit after making your money.

Saratoga- Chad Brown- He wants to win Saratoga title, every year, going against Pletcher..on turf he is tough, just place straight win bets on Chad Brown, and once you are up 100 or 200%, just quit. Problem is, horse players never quit.

whodoyoulike
06-18-2017, 07:48 PM
Hey Who

To be honest, I don't handicap anymore N.C. and I were just having a laugh at Brown and wouldn't you know it #3 Minsky Moment won and #2 Projected lost just as we joked

Don't you just love this game hahaha lol !!!

I didn't realize you no longer handicap. And, I do love this game. I always have a little laugh when I hear or see someone say the next winner will be because of win, lose, lose, lose etc.

Btw, I really like your database info. Kind of envious.

jimmyb
06-18-2017, 08:08 PM
Mott had a stakes winner in the eighth at Belmont today

TheOracle
06-18-2017, 11:54 PM
I didn't realize you no longer handicap. And, I do love this game. I always have a little laugh when I hear or see someone say the next winner will be because of win, lose, lose, lose etc.

Btw, I really like your database info. Kind of envious.

Thanks Who,

It's a real pain to keep up with but it helps me look at things differently

TheOracle
06-19-2017, 12:05 AM
Mott had a stakes winner in the eighth at Belmont today

Hey Jimmy,

You are correct that makes 4 stakes wins since April 2016


http://www.insidethenumbers.net/images/comments/w i motstksmorebel.jpg

I still don't trust his barn he will have to show me more in terms of a return on investment

TheOracle
06-19-2017, 12:15 AM
He has 9 entered today at Belmont surprise surprise!!!

http://www.insidethenumbers.net/images/comments/c c brownnineatbeltdy.jpg

These are less than 3-1 in the Morning Line at distances of 1 Mile or better

http://www.insidethenumbers.net/images/comments/c c brownmleovrbel.jpg

If the pattern holds it looks like #3 Minsky Moment will win in the 5th and #2 Projected will lose in the 8th

Let's see what happens and how far your $10 roll will go hahaha lol!!!

Well the pattern held true today as #3 Minsky Moment won the 5th race today at Belmont but #2 Projected lost his race today in the 8th race!!!

http://www.insidethenumbers.net/images/comments/c c brownpattrnbel.jpg

If the pattern continues the next one will lose and the following entry should win!!!

Although #3 Minsky Moment only paid $7.60 across the board, you sometimes have to just take what they give you

Congratulations to those who saw the #3 Minsky Moment play and were able to make a profit!!!

pandy
06-19-2017, 11:29 AM
Mott gears up for Saratoga and has had some huge meets up there.

TheOracle
06-19-2017, 11:54 PM
Mott gears up for Saratoga and has had some huge meets up there.

Hey Pandy

A few people mentioned Mott at Saratoga, so I did some digging and you are correct, his horses seem to do well on the Turf in Stakes races at the Spa going back to July 2015

http://www.insidethenumbers.net/images/comments/w i mottsarstakestrf.jpg


Although, his horses didn't get very many wins they do seem to hit the board at a good rate 67.7% and you are getting a 24% return per $2 win place and show wager!!!


Interesting to note, that show wagering on his horses is much more profitable you are getting close to a 50% return per $2 show wager for the past 2 years in Stakes races on the Turf!!!


I will most definitely be keeping a close eye on his horses in Stakes races on the Turf at Saratoga this year!!!

TheOracle
07-22-2017, 06:39 PM
Hey Pandy

A few people mentioned Mott at Saratoga, so I did some digging and you are correct, his horses seem to do well on the Turf in Stakes races at the Spa going back to July 2015

http://www.insidethenumbers.net/images/comments/w i mottsarstakestrf.jpg


Although, his horses didn't get very many wins they do seem to hit the board at a good rate 67.7% and you are getting a 24% return per $2 win place and show wager!!!


Interesting to note, that show wagering on his horses is much more profitable you are getting close to a 50% return per $2 show wager for the past 2 years in Stakes races on the Turf!!!


I will most definitely be keeping a close eye on his horses in Stakes races on the Turf at Saratoga this year!!!

W I Mott has a horse entered in a Stakes race today in the 10th at Saratoga
#1 Harmonize

Let's see if he can get this one to hit the board today at a price!!!

TheOracle
07-23-2017, 10:18 AM
W I Mott has a horse entered in a Stakes race today in the 10th at Saratoga
#1 Harmonize

Let's see if he can get this one to hit the board today at a price!!!

W I Mott let us down yesterday as #1 Harmonize was off the board at Saratoga

He has another horse entered in a Stakes race today in the 10th race at Saratoga #1 Elate

Let's see if he can get this one to hit the board today at a price!!!

Hopefully the public will go with B Baffert and he loses!!!

TheOracle
07-23-2017, 10:05 PM
W I Mott let us down yesterday as #1 Harmonize was off the board at Saratoga

He has another horse entered in a Stakes race today in the 10th race at Saratoga #1 Elate

Let's see if he can get this one to hit the board today at a price!!!

Hopefully the public will go with B Baffert and he loses!!!


Although, W I Mott's horse ran 2nd and paid $8 across the board this will not qualify for the study as the race was not on the Turf!!!

Let's continue to keep an eye on W I Mott in Stakes races especially on the Turf at Saratoga!!!