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sbcaris
04-27-2017, 02:15 PM
The following horses possible forC this years Derby carry the Raise A Native sire line:

Always Dreaming
Battle of Midway
Battalion Runner
Cloud Computing
Classic Empire
Lookin At Lee
Sonneteer
Hence

The impact value for this sire line is approx. 2.00. No other sire line comes close to this except the Bold Ruler sire line which was great back in the 1970s and has made a resurgence in recent years with California Chrome and Orb.

Julz
04-27-2017, 02:31 PM
Irish War Cry as well

Parson
04-27-2017, 02:41 PM
Thanks for the update, I had it down as 4 pts. I am having trouble with the beyer of 98 or better in the last prep. That seems to be a national secret. The other is the byer + trk variant >/=103. Any help on who gets points for that would be greatly appreciated.

Parson
04-27-2017, 02:43 PM
almost forgot the win at age 2 with a beyer of 92 or better. Like I said anything beyer related seems to be a national secret and I do not know how the bris speed number converts to beyer.

f2tornado
04-27-2017, 03:28 PM
Thanks for the update, I had it down as 4 pts. I am having trouble with the beyer of 98 or better in the last prep. That seems to be a national secret. The other is the byer + trk variant >/=103. Any help on who gets points for that would be greatly appreciated.

4 bonus points (approx 4 impact value) if RAN fast final 3/8th (no pun intended), at least on my 2013 edition.

Last out BSF can be found on DRF Derby Watch (http://www.drf.com/derby-watch). I can save you some time and say Irish War Cry is the only one to meet or exceed it with a 101 in the Wood. Always Dreaming seems low at 97 considering Materiality got a 108 running a hell of a lot slower.

Parson
04-27-2017, 05:09 PM
thanks I had it 2 pts for time on last 1/8 or 3/8 and 4 pts on the RAN. I appreciate the heads up. It might have skewed my spreadsheet. Now I just need the beyer + TRK and the beyer at age 2. If anyone has those, please feel free to post

boys at tosconova
04-28-2017, 08:38 AM
only rule i learned from raising a native is stay out of the way of their spear

sbcaris
04-28-2017, 03:36 PM
Parson: Gormley and Classic Empire are the only horses to achieve a 92 Beyer at age 2 and won a race at 1 mile or longer at age 2.

Hence and Always Dreaming are the only two horses who achieved a 103 number when the track speed rating was added to the track variant.

dballard125
04-29-2017, 12:25 AM
I really want to believe in Hence. His Sunland performance was impressive and I like the length of his stride. He fits all the angles. But something tells me he finishes out of the money.