Kerry's Speech

[Tom]

Is this guy for real?
Help is on the way.......it's name is GEORGE W BUSH! LOL
I though Bill Clinton was a bag of wind....this guy blows him away.
The question I have for him is this - he has been in the senate all theses years, the body where he could make a difference. So how come things are so bad now?
He is so concerned about healt care. why doesn't he - today, while he is still a senator, introduce a bill to give every American
the exact same health care program he gets by being a senator?
What could be fairer - give us what you already have?
This guys is standing here condeming everything that HE himselve is! What a real joke.
Now he says we are on God's side.....but don't you dare put up a manger on Christmas Eve!
I have to go throw up. This is one sickening, lying bastard.

[Figman]

With all those "help is on the way" slogans, I kept looking for the men in white coats to come from stage right. Did they get there in time?

[JustRalph]

he is gonna help small business, and raise taxes on americans who make over 200k............who the hell does think runs the small businesses?

he is going to stick the money in your left pocket and take it out of the right. How much you want to bet small business types end up in the red on that one.............it is called a Disincentive........


He is also going to give us everything else in the world'

We all get the best healthcare........money to the homeless.....nobody will be left behind...........everybody will be supported by the rich.........by taking money from them and giving it to everyone else who John Kerry deems needs it..........he is going to take the money from the wealthy and redistribute it....

try looking up this link (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?socialism)

[chickenhead]

we're all in the same boat. at the bottom of the lake.

[chickenhead]

nothing ever quite depresses me in quite the same special way as election time....you can't get away from them, but the more you hear the sicker and sicker you get....this guy is supposed to be my alternative to Bush? America can do better? I damn sure hope so, this boat is looking more like a raft every day.

[Steve 'StatMan']

Lots of us, on both sides of the fence, would like many of the things he's promised that he's for. But most of the problem is gridlock, and neither party will agree to the others plans. Been that way for many years, more than just this admin.

[schweitz]

What I find interesting about the Democratic Convention is that Kerry is going to run his campaign for president based on his four months in Nam 35 years ago instead of his last 20 years as a Senator. :rolleyes:

[JustMissed]

Originally posted by schweitz
What I find interesting about the Democratic Convention is that Kerry is going to run his campaign for president based on his four months in Nam 35 years ago instead of his last 20 years as a Senator. :rolleyes:

If you had the most liberal voting record of any living Senator, wouldn't you run on anything else but your record?

My hats off to those Dems though. They are trying to pretend to be Centerist and doing a pretty damn good job so far.

The far left special interest groups are giving Kerry a pass on everything, and I mean everything, in hopes of snaring the majority undecided/uncommited votes. They hate Bush so much they are going to do the hardest thing in the world(for them), keep their mouths shut.

Did you ever see a Dem convention go by without hearing from:

Queers
Dykes
Abortionist
Atheist
Reparationist
Hispanics
And every bitch alive with a N.O.W. card in their purse

Hey, Kerry said he personally believed that life began at conception. Had he been a Republican, the N.O.W. bunch would have cut off his balls and thrown them into Boston Harbor.

I have always voted for Republican presidents and plan on continuing but if the Dems can keep this up, we may be in trouble.

JM

[JustRalph]

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING: On John Kerry's Acceptance Speech

New York Post: John Kerry "Doesn't Get It" When it Comes to the War on Terror. "Give John Forbes Kerry credit for being honest as he accepted the Democratic Party's nomination for president last night. Because in his 55 minutes at the mike, he was truthful about how he'd fight the War on Terror. He won't. 'The United States never goes to war because we want to,' Kerry said. 'We only go to war because we have to.' At best, this is a gross calumny: President Bush never 'wanted' war — and it is repugnant even to hint otherwise. At worst, it is telling evidence of a profound misunderstanding of America's proper place in a fractious world. . . . There is no greater concern that Americans have today than the War on Terror. Kerry showed last night that he doesn't understand this." (Editorial, "Kerry's Strategic Myopia," New York Post, 7/30/04)

Milwaukee Journal Sentinel: Kerry Offered No Explanation Of "His Own Role In Sending U.S. Servicemen To War." "But Kerry did nothing in this speech to explain his own role in sending U.S. servicemen to war in Iraq. Both he and his vice presidential nominee, John Edwards, voted for the war resolution that allowed the president to commit to war." (Editorial, "Passion At Last For Kerry," Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, 7/30/04)

Rocky Mountain News: Kerry Gave Few Answers. "What we had hoped to hear Thursday, however, was how Kerry's admirable record of valor and public service would make a difference in leading this nation in the struggle against terrorists that target the United States and the regimes that aid them. Unfortunately, we came away still unsure of the answer." (Editorial, "Kerry's Tough Talk Leaves Many Questions," Rocky Mountain News, 7/30/04)

The Washington Post: Kerry's Speech "A Disappointment." "In accepting the Democratic nomination last night, John F. Kerry spoke to a far more anxious America, one that has weathered a recession and, more important, entered what the nominee called 'a global war on terror against an enemy unlike we've ever known before.' Mr. Kerry therefore sought above all to make the case that he could be trusted to lead a nation at war, and rightly so; he and Mr. Bush must be judged first and foremost on those grounds. But on that basis, though Mr. Kerry spoke confidently and eloquently, his speech was in many respects a disappointment." (Editorial, "Missed Opportunity," The Washington Post, 7/30/04)

Balz: Kerry's Speech Only "Briefly Touched On Iraq." "There were notable omissions in Kerry's speech, however, that raise questions about the course he and his party have chosen for the campaign. Like other speakers during the four nights of the convention, Kerry only briefly touched on Iraq, the issue that has shaped and dominated this presidential campaign, divided the Democratic Party and at times bedeviled his own candidacy. At a time when many Americans are looking for an exit strategy and may wonder whether Kerry has a plan for Iraq that is different from Bush's, he offered only the assurance that he knows how to get it right." (Dan Balz, "A Challenge To The GOP On Values, Security," The Washington Post, 7/30/04)

Balz: Kerry "Appeared Willing To Cede The Battle Over Personality And Likeability To Bush." "Ultimately, however, he appeared willing to cede the battle over personality and likeability to Bush, believing those may be less significant in the minds of voters than they were four years ago." (Dan Balz, "A Challenge To The GOP On Values, Security," The Washington Post, 7/30/04)

The New York Times: Kerry Failed To "Provide A Clear Vision On Iraq." "He did not, however, provide a clear vision on Iraq. Voters needed to hear him say that he understands, in retrospect, that his vote to give President Bush Congressional support to invade was a mistake. It's clear now that Mr. Kerry isn't going to go there, and it's a shame." (Editorial, "John Kerry Speaks," The New York Times, 7/30/04)

USA Today: "Kerry Leaves Boston Still Not Having Formed In Voters' Minds An Image Of Where He'd Take The Nation On Its Most Urgent Issues." "Trouble is, Kerry leaves Boston still not having formed in voters' minds an image of where he'd take the nation on its most urgent issues: the war on terrorism and resolving the mess that is the U.S. situation in Iraq. So far, his policies sound a lot like those of President Bush." (Editorial, "Kerry's Challenge: Set His Own War-Time Course," USA Today, 7/30/04)

Los Angeles Times: Kerry Needs To Further Explain His Position On Iraq. "By putting Iraq near the top of the speech, before jobs and the economy and healthcare, Kerry made it official that he is going to make opposition to the war his big issue. Possibly the best of many great lines in the speech was: 'I will be a commander in chief who will never mislead us into war.' Kerry voted for the war. Is he now prepared to say he was misled? If Iraq is going to be Topic A, he will need a smarter strategy of evasion, or more brutal frankness, than he has managed so far." (Editorial, "Kerry's Craft," Los Angeles Times, 7/30/04)

CNN Senior Analyst Jeff Greenfield: "In Terms Of Iraq – 'I Know What To Do With Iraq,' He Said -- Two-And-A-Half Sentences On What To Do." (CNN's "Newsnight With Aaron Brown," 7/29/04)

Jeff Jacoby Of The Boston Globe: Kerry "Didn't Close The Sale Last Night." "All in all, it was a pedestrian address, uninspiring, cliched, and humorless. It made sure to work in all the poll-tested buzzwords -- I counted 17 mentions of 'strong' and 'strength,' 28 of 'value' or 'values.' But buzzwords don't decide elections, and they aren't the key to a swing voter's heart. Kerry may yet prevail over George W. Bush, but he didn't close the sale last night." (Jeff Jacoby, Op-ed, "Buzzwords And Cheap Shots," The Boston Globe, 7/30/04)

St. Petersburg Times: "Thursday's Speech Did Not Entirely Clear Up Kerry's Frustrating Vagueness On Iraq." "But Thursday's speech did not entirely clear up Kerry's frustrating vagueness on Iraq. Kerry says the United States should go to war only when it has to, not when it wants to. He also promises to rebuild the international alliances the Bush administration has fractured. That's reassuring to hear, as far as it goes. But until voters have a surer understanding of Kerry's specific views on Iraq, they may not be satisfied with his broader promise that he 'will never hesitate to use force when it is required.'" (Editorial, "Strong Words," St. Petersburg Times, 7/30/04)

[Steve 'StatMan']

Originally posted by JustMissed
Hey, Kerry said he personally believed that life began at conception

Yes, and yet '...we need a President that isn't afraid of science...' as in taking a shot about stem cell research. Takes making and destroying a conceived life, doesn't it? And he's pro-choice, so he's pro death of the unborn, undeveloped and unknown. Isn't it great that he makes this issue seem so simple?! Why, even a child (if lucky enough to be born) can see it!

[Steve 'StatMan']

Good post above Ralph. All Kerry says is he'll be better. Doesn't say how. And he'll make the Intelligence Agencies better. Which is one of many of the discoveries that has already been found and is being worked on. He'll only send the troops when absolutely necessary, which, depending on your point of view, Bush either did, or did not do.

He's giving Bush some good pitches to hit when he comes to the plate soon.

[Dave Schwartz]

I say again:

Kerry is not electable.

(But, hey, I also thought we'd wind up with Hilary against Bush. And she IS electable [as scary as that sounds].)


Dave Schwartz

[Steve 'StatMan']

For what it's worth, I think Dick Chaney could serve as President, but at the top of the ticket would not be electable.

2008 will obviously depend on what happens this year.

My predicted match up - Hillary Clinton vs. Colin Powell.

Well Bob, I have no idea what some of the 'good ole southern boys' you wrote about would do, given that future match-up, but if it should happen, I hope they would grow. :)

[JustMissed]

Originally posted by Dave Schwartz
I say again:

Kerry is not electable.

Dave Schwartz

Hope you are right Dave but I'm a little nervous right know.

Notice how the left wingers have gone silent all of a sudden, including many very loud members of this board. They got their talking points a few days back and it said "don't say or do anything to piss off the undecided voters".

If you look at the numbers, our nation is so evenly divided whoever gets that small percentage of undecided or cross-over votes is going to win. Not sure exactly which states are up for grab but maybe Ohio & Iowa are two of them and of course Florida.

In my mind, John Kerry is much more electable than Al Gore and Gore damn near won last time.

JM

[dav4463]

I am afraid there are enough uninformed people out there who have this media-driven hatred of Bush to swing the election. I hope not, but I am worried about it.

[dav4463]

I talked to a lady (foreign-born), who doesn't really follow the news or elections that much. She said she doesn't like Bush. I asked her why. She said because he got us in a war to kill our young people and when he talks he sounds stupid and makes mistakes. That is her ONLY rationale to vote for Kerry. That is kind of scary. I think voters should have to take a basic test of some sort before being allowed to vote. That would make sure that at least the voter has a basic knowledge of the issues.

[hcap]

Hope all you rightwingnuts are enjoying a temporary moment of not confronting factual reality, but as JustMissed said"Hope you are right Dave but I'm a little nervous right know.

Notice how the left wingers have gone silent all of a sudden, including many very loud members of this board. They got their talking points a few days back and it said "don't say or do anything to piss off the undecided voters".

If you look at the numbers, our nation is so evenly divided whoever gets that small percentage of undecided or cross-over votes is going to win. Not sure exactly which states are up for grab but maybe Ohio & Iowa are two of them and of course Florida.

In my mind, John Kerry is much more electable than Al Gore and Gore damn near won last time."
The results from the latest Zogby Poll are in, and Dubya is in a heap o' trouble:
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=849

.... The most recent Zogby poll shows deeper trouble for President George W. Bush beyond just the horserace. Mr. Bush has fallen in key areas while Senator John Kerry has shored up numerous constituencies in his base. The Bush team's attempted outreach to base Democratic and swing constituency has shown to be a failure thus far, limiting his potential growth in the electorate.

"The most recent Zogby poll shows deeper trouble for President George W. Bush beyond just the horserace. Mr. Bush has fallen in key areas while Senator John Kerry has shored up numerous constituencies in his base. The Bush team’s attempted outreach to base Democratic and swing constituency has shown to be a failure thus far, limiting his potential growth in the electorate.

The most important group in this election now is the undecideds and Mr. Bush’s standing among them is weak. He is generally well liked among the undecideds, having a strong favorability (56%), but his job performance is another story. Only 32% approve of Bush’s job in office and only 31% believe the country is headed in the right direction. The undecideds are not yet sold on Mr. Kerry, with only 49% having a favorable opinion of him. But Mr. Kerry can still sell his message to them: over a quarter (28%) are either not familiar enough or are not sure of their opinion yet. These undecided voters are generally dissatisfied with the President, but are still not acquainted enough with the Senator from Massachusetts to support him."


The ugly details-

Among Hispanic Voters:
Kerry 69%
Bush 19%

Among Southern Voters:
Kerry 48%
Bush 46%

Viewed Favorably in the South:
Kerry 55%
Bush 55%

Approve of Bush's Job Performance in the South: 44%

US Headed in the Right Direction in the South: 43%

Among Young Voters (18-29) :
Kerry 53%
Bush 33%

Among Single Voters:
Kerry 69%
Bush 19%

In the Red States:
Kerry 46%
Bush 48%

In the Blue States:
Kerry 50%
Bush 38%

Among People Who Did Not Vote in 2000:
Kerry 50%
Bush 25%


Also repub polster Frank Luntz did a focus group in Cincinatti showing dimwit dubya in trouble.

The final proof is the Guy with the Worst Job in the World.......

....The one who has to find great R&B and rock 'n' roll to play during the down times at the upcoming Republican Convention that hasn't been recorded or written by Kerry supporters.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Dave Schwartz]

Well, there is always the risk...

I'll be interested in what the polls say. Just remember that there is always a boost after the DNC and the Repubs will get theirs in September.

I'd say Kerry needs a 12-point lead (or more) this month to make it an even game in November. (I doubt that he will have that.)

Here is an interesting link about Kerry's military service (very short):
http://www.swiftvets.com/index.php?topic=SwiftPhoto

[wes]

Are you going to throw away your oars while in the middle of $?!! creek?

A vote for Kerry may just do that.


wes

[Tom]

Originally posted by schweitz
What I find interesting about the Democratic Convention is that Kerry is going to run his campaign for president based on his four months in Nam 35 years ago instead of his last 20 years as a Senator. :rolleyes:

He's hoping no one will notice!:D

[Tom]

Goerge Bush Sr. trailed by 17 points after Dukakis's convention. The whole thing is simple put - most Americans are non-thinking, lazy slobs who beleive whatever the last guy tells them. Whatever happnes to them the day before the election is what they remember in the voting booths. Excpet in Flori-duh - they don't think period. Zombies.
The thing that scare me the most about the elction is not who is running but rather who is voting.
The way the dems are heading, this country will not be much of anything wtihn the next w10 years. They are bent on diluting our greatness with mediocrity. America is regressing to the mean.
Sad.:(

[hcap]

The country is VERY passionate about this election. The base of each party is locked in to their respective ideologies and candidates. However there are a few more repubs that are wavering, than there are unstuck dems.
This alone is not good news for bush. Congressional repubs are needless to say, worried. But the major battle is for the undecided. Fewer exist then did in 2000. The War is for the undecideds.

Latest
Saturday July 31, 1:41 pm ET
NEWSWEEK POLL: DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION 2004 -- Kerry/Edwards Leads Bush/Cheney 52 to 44 Percent; Dems Receive Two-Point Margin Bounce in Two-Way Race, Four-Point Bounce in Three-Way Race

.....58 Percent Dissatisfied With Direction of Country;
.... 57 Percent Say War With Iraq Has Not Made U.S. Safer.

Not much room for the repubs to maneuver. Approval ratings of bush remain below 50%. Also not good for the incumbent. Face it guys, the only way bush will pull it off is either trotting out Osama on a leash during the convention, or pull a Flor-i-duh again.
Electronic voting WITHOUT a paper trail is subject to manipulation. There remains a serious problem with the preznits brother jeb, and his tendency to fool with the numbers. Once again this is going to be fought like 2000.

The debates favor Kerry and to a lesser extent Edwards--ole grimace head cheney is at least SMART. But bush will loose badly to Kerry, a much more skilled debater. And I'm thinking bush will probably loose his cool on nationwide tv, or flub his lines badly. Karl Rove will be propping him up for months just to get junior ready.

Dukakis is entirely different than Kerry. No comparison. And yes the voters are mislead by the last guy, but as the election approaches and Iraq continues to fester, the last guy to speak may be the continued dying of American soldiers. Remember you gentlemen are in a rapidly diminishing group who think opposte the growing majority.

.....58 Percent Dissatisfied With Direction of Country;
.... 57 Percent Say War With Iraq Has Not Made U.S. Safer.

There are many scandals brewing that the dems will make hay with as the election approaches. The economy is NOT comming along as expected, and the deficit is now at $430+billion.

F911 and Howard stern are motivating younger voters. Many who have never voted before WILL listen to these LAST 2 guys. Don't assume a fixed pool of voters if these new voters are mobilized. And most will go for Kerry, not bush. Only the older listeners of already committed limpbags' dittoheads and faux news lemmings will be in the bush camp---but they have already been counted. Kerry/Edwards will pull the new votes. Remember
Zogby...

Among Young Voters (18-29) :
Kerry 53%
Bush 33%

Among Single Voters:
Kerry 69%
Bush 19%

In the Red States:
Kerry 46%
Bush 48%

In the Blue States:
Kerry 50%
Bush 38%

Among People Who Did Not Vote in 2000:
Kerry 50%
Bush 25%

Sorry guys, your guy is toast.

[Tom]

"Sorry guys, your guy is toast."


Don't butter yer toast just yet. There is alot of time for the truth to come out. And it will.
Undecideds are still not sure who they will vote for, but they do feel Kerry is soft on terrorism.
And those who know him the best are going to talk about it.
In honor of your return (Where were you? Get cought in a roundup by Homeland Security? LOL)....this link's for you.

http://www.swiftvets.com/

BTW, the Army has come out with a new medal in honor of Kerry. It is the Purple Ouchie. You wear it over your boo boo and when it heals, you pull it off and throw it over the nearest fence.
:D

[betchatoo]

Originally posted by Tom
"Sorry guys, your guy is toast."


Don't butter yer toast just yet. There is alot of time for the truth to come out. And it will.
Undecideds are still not sure who they will vote for, but they do feel Kerry is soft on terrorism.
And those who know him the best are going to talk about it.
In honor of your return (Where were you? Get cought in a roundup by Homeland Security? LOL)....this link's for you.

http://www.swiftvets.com/

BTW, the Army has come out with a new medal in honor of Kerry. It is the Purple Ouchie. You wear it over your boo boo and when it heals, you pull it off and throw it over the nearest fence.
:D

I think this is going to be as close as last election. However, Tom, John Kerry did get more than a boo-boo in Nam. The navy doesn't give out the silver star based on paper cuts. Whatever you think of the man's records since the war (And I know you don't think much of them) respect what he did when he served. The following is taken from a CNN news release (And they are not known for being a liberal news group)


By comparison, John Kerry is is all there. He's unusual among politicians because he actually asked to go to Vietnam. In fact, he hadn't even graduated from Yale before signing up for the Navy in February 1966.

He served two tours in Southeast Asia, one aboard a missile ship and then on a 50ft gunboat in the Mekong Delta, where he came under regular sniper fire.

Kerry was awarded the Silver Star in February 1969, after leaping ashore, chasing and shooting a Viet Cong soldier who had fired a rocket at his boat.

During his four months, Kerry also took a bullet in the leg and suffered two arm wounds, earning three Purple Hearts.

He was also awarded the Bronze Star and the Navy's Silver Star for gallantry in action. And in a country that appreciates old-fashioned heroism, few recommendations come louder Jim Rassman's.

The ex-Green Beret was pulled to safety amid sniper fire by a wounded Kerry in 1969.

Rassman, who embraced Kerry at a recent rally, declared: "I probably owe this man my life."

[Tom]

So let's send him to Iraq, not Washington.
Sorry, I absolutely for the man. Whatever he did once he more than proved himself and SOB since then. Why else is he ignoring everything since the 60's?
The only thing I think is relevant is what has a man done since 9-11-01?
Bush wins that one hands down. America is extremely fortunate that Gore was not in the WH on 9-12-01.

[Dave Schwartz]

>>>"Sorry, your guy is toast."<<<

Well, maybe not quite, according to Gallup.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-08-01-poll-kerry_x.htm

[PaceAdvantage]

The change in support was within the poll's margin of error of +/–4 percentage points in the sample of 763 likely voters. But it was nonetheless surprising, the first time since the chaotic Democratic convention in 1972 that a candidate hasn't gained ground during his convention.


Interesting....but, as we all know, polls don't mean a whole hell of a lot....

[Mike at A+]

Bush 50%, Kerry 47%. Just heard it on the news. If that's the "bounce" Kerry counted on, he's f*cked. And now with this new terror threat it's W's chance to gain some more points BEFORE the RNC in New York. I wish Giuliani was still mayor and the NYC cops had the authority to billy club some punk protesters. Maybe Bloomberg will rise to the occasion and give the word. Wonder if Michael Moore will have his fat a$$ outside of Madison Square Garden?

[Tom]

A 10-15 point lead was to be expected right after the convention.
This guy is toast!

[PaceAdvantage]

Look, I've said it before, and I'll say it again, putting a * to disguise the F-word doesn't really make it any more appropriate.

Please refrain from posting needless profanity, especially stuff that doesn't conform to the NYPD Blue level of standards and practices.


I don't ask for much.

Thank you.

[dav4463]

Sometimes democrats make your blood boil so much, you accidentally let some profanity slip out ! I'm sure he is sorry !

[Mike at A+]

Originally posted by dav4463
Sometimes democrats make your blood boil so much, you accidentally let some profanity slip out ! I'm sure he is sorry !

OK I won't let it freakin' happen again :cool:

[kenwoodallpromos]

Sounds like what Carter promised, except killing all terrorists in the world in 3 years (Edwards). How many countries will they have to invade?
Kerry basically said he would have invaded Pakistan to clean the ones near Afghanistan out.

[Tom]

Originally posted by PaceAdvantage
Look, I've said it before, and I'll say it again, putting a * to disguise the F-word doesn't really make it any more appropriate.

Please refrain from posting needless profanity, especially stuff that doesn't conform to the NYPD Blue level of standards and practices.


I don't ask for much.

Thank you.

This is scarry stuff......only one season of NYPD Blue left. Then what do we do? Are we forever frozen at our current standards? Is there no more room to grow, to push the envelope?
Maybe we sould adopt the South Park standard?
Hehehehehe!
Inquiring mind want to know!
:D

[hcap]

http://slate.msn.com/id/2104745/

Doing better than you rightys think.
Don't believe faux news

" What's changed. Three major media polls have been taken since the convention: ABC News/Washington Post, CBS News/New York Times, and CNN/USA Today. Prior to the convention, Kerry's favorable rating was nine points higher than his unfavorable rating in the ABC poll. Since the convention, this margin has grown to 19 points. Bush's positive margin on the same question is just two points."

[hcap]

http://www.mtv.com/chooseorlose/headlines/news.jhtml?id=1489924&_requestid=643755

"Dave Matthews Band, Pearl Jam, Springsteen, Others Join Vote For Change Tour
08.04.2004 9:47 AM EDT

George W. Bush and John Kerry aren't the only ones concentrating their efforts on swing states.

The Dave Matthews Band, Pearl Jam, R.E.M., Death Cab for Cutie, Bright Eyes, Jurassic 5, My Morning Jacket, Ben Harper, Kenny "Babyface" Edmonds, Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band, the Dixie Chicks, John Mellencamp, Jackson Browne, James Taylor and Bonnie Raitt are among the artists taking part in the Vote for Change Tour, which will hit key battleground states across the country in early October."

What bands do the repubs have to compete?

How about "George W & the Neocon Five"

[cj]

Why in the world would Republicans want bands to "compete?" Many are admitted drug users, most are way past their prime, and The Dixie Chicks, huh? You think they are going to get a positive response in the battleground states? I wouldn't count on that one...ROFLMAO!

These guys are trying to make a quick buck, you'd see that if you took your blinkers off.

[JustRalph]

I saw this story yesterday and just chuckled. Yep, these are the guys I want deciding who runs the country.

Glory Days, in the Blink of a young girls eye...............


3 chords and a back beat is what the White House needs.........

[Tom]

Most of these "bands" haven't had a hit since Bush 41!
Trouble with this idea is that most of the audiences will be toked out on election day, and most couldn't find their way to polling place anyway. Pot heads are so reliable!
Hehehehe///this guy is toast!

[hcap]

New Florida & NH Numbers From ARG

Remember, as you savor them, that ARG is a GOP firm. No bounce?

Results by the ARG:

Current percent (Mid-July numbers)

Florida:
Bush- 43% (44%)
Kerry- 50% (47%)
Nader- 2% (3%)
undecided- 5% (6%)

New Hampshire:
Bush- 42% (45%)
Kerry- 49% (47%)
Nader- 2% (3%)
Undecided- 7% (5%)

These were over August 3-August 5 and the MOE is 4%.
I guess Kerry made a good speech afterall. Unlike dumbya who tragically mumbles from a bruised cerebellum.

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we," Bush said. "They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we"

Also now that we added a grand anemic total of 32,000 jobs this month and trepidation on wall street is palpable, remember that great bald prophet James Carville--"It's the economy, stupid".

Of course we should also add "It's Iraq, dummy"

[Tom]

Actually, isn't that exactly what you want to think aobut? Ways to hurt us, to destroy us? You flapped your gums for months about not anticpating planes flying into the world trade towers, so if you want to anticpate what they will do, you have do exactly what Bush just said.


BTW...new Kerry slogan: Waffles! Not just for breakfast anymore!"

[Tom]

Originally posted by cjmilkowski
Why in the world would Republicans want bands to "compete?" Many are admitted drug users, most are way past their prime, and The Dixie Chicks, huh? You think they are going to get a positive response in the battleground states? I wouldn't count on that one...ROFLMAO!

These guys are trying to make a quick buck, you'd see that if you took your blinkers off.


If the towel fits, wear it.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/entertainment/news-article.aspx?storyid=22402

Of particular humor is this quote:
"Someone who is trying to get popular through bigotry, bias and hatred should not be welcome, especially in a city like Dearborn with its rich diversity," Imad Hamad, regional director of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, told the Detroit Free Press.

Charlie Daniels has been more than popular for many years. And anyone who has ever been to Dearborn knows what dump it is.
Much of the city is a tribute to pigs. I know why so many arabs live there - parts of it look just like downtown Beruit.
Must be a Jihad thing.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally posted by Tom
Actually, isn't that exactly what you want to think aobut? Ways to hurt us, to destroy us? You flapped your gums for months about not anticpating planes flying into the world trade towers, so if you want to anticpate what they will do, you have do exactly what Bush just said.


Excellent point Tom. Thinking outside the box probably isn't the strong suit of many anti-Bush folks....

[JustRalph]

Charlie Daniels is a great musician. I am not sure he is a great statesman, but you have to admire his obvious love of the country. Not to mention his fiddle playing..............BTW, in case you don't know, he struggles with Diabetes every day. It has almost killed him a couple of times. He is a tough old Bird.

[hcap]

Even faux has President Kerry pulling out ahead. It may be early and dumbya may trot out osama on a leash during the convention, but I think Kerry will win by more than a bit.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/080504_poll.pdf

[Suff]

Originally posted by PaceAdvantage
Excellent point Tom. Thinking outside the box probably isn't the strong suit of many anti-Bush folks....


MAKE A POST THAT DOES'NT INCUDE AN INSULT... I DARE YEA.

[hcap]

If these are FOX's numbers, then Bush is REALLY doing badly. And expect the polls to get even worse for Bush once word gets around that he blew the cover of an Al Qaeda mole working for our side, simply to bolster the Bush-Cheney ticket's public image at home.

Kerry got an 8 to 12 point positive bump from the convention in terms of how voters perceive him.:

WHICH POLITICAL PARTY HAS A BETTER VISION FOR THE FUTURE OF THE COUNTRY?
Republicans 35%
Democrats 42%

WHICH CANDIDATE IS:
- A strong leader
Bush 44 (was 50% two weeks ago)
Kerry 40 (was 31% two weeks ago)

- More knowledgeable on the issues
Bush 43 (was 48% two weeks ago)
Kerry 40 (was 32% two weeks ago)

- Understands the average American
Bush 36 (was 38% two weeks ago)
Kerry 47 (was 38% two weeks ago)

- More honest and trustworthy
Bush 36 (was 42% two weeks ago)
Kerry 43 (was 31% two weeks ago)

WORDS THAT DESCRIBE EACH CANDIDATE
- Arrogant
Bush 48
Kerry 33

- Genuine
Bush 40
Kerry 42

- Optimistic
Bush 39
Kerry 43

- Hardworking
Bush 34
Kerry 39

- Courageous
Bush 40
Kerry 39

- Friendly
Bush 37
Kerry 37

WHICH CANDIDATE HAS BEEN MORE NEGATIVE SO FAR?
Bush 35
Kerry 31

FAVORABLE
John Kerry 52%
John Edwards 51%
George Bush 47%
Dick Cheney 40%

LIKELY VOTERS - WHO VOTE FOR?
Bush 43%
Kerry 47%
Nader 2%

REGISTERED VOTERS - WHO VOTE FOR?
Bush 42%
Kerry 46%
Nader 2%

ISSUES THAT MATTER MOST FOR VOTING FOR PREZ
Economy 25%
Terror/Homeland Security 22%
Health Care 18%
Iraq 14%
Education 10%
Taxes 3%

WHICH CANDIDATE WILL DO A BETTER JOB ON:
- Economy
Bush 36
Kerry 44

- War on terror
Bush 44
Kerry 38

- Iraq
Bush 41
Kerry 40

- Education
Bush 34
Kerry 47

- Health Care
Bush 31
Kerry 49

- Taxes
Bush 41
Kerry 42

As I said, don't look good for the preznit. Fox has spoken

[Tom]

Hcap, did you ever fight a windmill?:D
Of course the polls at this time are nothing-as you probably know, Bush Sr trailed by 17 points at this point in the campaign.
The good thing about the early DNC convention (for Bush) is that people have plenty of time to get to know Kerry and Edwards. Hehehehe.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally posted by Suff
MAKE A POST THAT DOES'NT INCUDE AN INSULT... I DARE YEA.

You anti-Bush folks insult me every single day with your absurd lies and half-truths about MY President of MY United States, but you don't see me crying about it....

Bush and co. certainly have their warts, but the Kerry folks haven't even made me budge an inch to their side. As a matter of fact, their vitriol has done nothing but shore up my support for Bush.

It's too bad I live in NY though, and my vote won't count, but I'll make that trip to the polling place as a token gesture nonetheless...and I'll be wearing my NY Yankee cap as I cast my vote!

[Tom]

Originally posted by PaceAdvantage
You anti-Bush folks insult me every single day with your absurd lies and half-truths about MY President of MY United States, but you don't see me crying about it....

Bush and co. certainly have their warts, but the Kerry folks haven't even made me budge an inch to their side. As a matter of fact, their vitriol has done nothing but shore up my support for Bush.

It's too bad I live in NY though, and my vote won't count, but I'll make that trip to the polling place as a token gesture nonetheless...and I'll be wearing my NY Yankee cap as I cast my vote!

Ya gotta believe we can make NY a Bush state. I wont give up.
Kerry is our best tool to sway thinking people over. I don't have a Yankee cap, but I 'll get one ( I got a Yankee drinking hat, but they might not let me vote with two cans of beer on my head!):cool:

[trotter]

The Presidential election is just 50 local elections held on the same day so a national poll is meaningless. Now, if this poll were taken in the swing states, and if it was a "real" poll, then your points would be valid.

There are less than a half dozen legitimate pollsters, with Zogby being the best. Zogby polls only likely voters and applies weighting for party identification to ensure that there is no built-in Democratic bias in their sampling.

Doing a "real" poll is very expensive and that's why most newspaper and quickie overnight polls are worthless. They simply don't have the time or in some cases the budget to do a valid poll so they do a "fake" one because they have space to fill and the reader will believe it's "real". The bottom line is...the media is a pack of whores.

Edward R. Murrow must be spinning.

[hcap]

Presidential debate, bush, and his inability to think on his feet.

http://www.majorityreportradio.com/weblog/archives/Bush%20-%20Tribal%20Sovereignty.mp3

[Tom]

Originally posted by hcap
Presidential debate, bush, and his inability to think on his feet.

http://www.majorityreportradio.com/weblog/archives/Bush%20-%20Tribal%20Sovereignty.mp3



Reeeeaaaching! What does this have to do with anything?
Answer=ZERO. So he has trouble public speaking...so what does that impact? His actions speak loud and clear. You are really worried, aren't you? You should be.

[roygrubb]

John and his side kick were in the park in my backyard speaking last saturday... they came in on the train... it was pretty hilarious. Is his wife not from America??



free 3d bingo online
http://www.hgracing.net/bingo.htm

[JustRalph]

Originally posted by roygrubb
John and his side kick were in the park in my backyard speaking last saturday... they came in on the train... it was pretty hilarious. Is his wife not from America??



free 3d bingo online
http://www.hgracing.net/bingo.htm

She was Born in Africa..............Aristocracy they say..........servants etc. .......she is now referring to herself as an African American...........

[trotter]

During his acceptance speech, when Kerry asked...and what can I say about Terese'? My first thought was...robotic lunatic?

[hcap]

If Kerry wins floriduh, it is all over.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=5960799

Poll Gives Kerry 6-Point Lead Over Bush in Florida
Thu Aug 12, 2004 03:55 PM ET

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (Reuters) - Democrat John Kerry leads President Bush 47 percent to 41 percent among registered voters in Florida, according to a poll released on Thursday that showed independent Ralph Nader with 4 percent.

In a two-way race, Kerry leads Bush 49 percent to 42 percent, according to the poll of 1,092 registered Florida voters conducted last week by the Connecticut-based Quinnipiac University Polling Institute. The poll's error margin was three percentage points.

Among independent voters in the key battleground state, 51 percent supported Kerry while 34 percent said they would vote for Bush and 12 percent were undecided.

A similar poll taken in late June before the Democratic convention showed Bush and Kerry tied at 43 percent among registered voters, with Kerry then holding a 12-point lead over Bush among independent voters.

The poll showed most Florida voters have already made up their minds, with only 12 percent saying they might change their choice in the weeks ahead.

In 2000, Bush defeated Democratic challenger Al Gore by 537 votes in Florida after a lengthy court fight in which Democrats said the votes of many of their supporters were not counted.

Only 47 percent of respondents in the recent poll said they were very satisfied that their vote would be counted correctly this time, and only one in five said they were very confident the new touch-screen technology would alleviate Florida's election woes.

[cj]

Originally posted by hcap
If Kerry wins floriduh, it is all over.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=5960799

A similar poll taken in late June before the Democratic convention showed Bush and Kerry tied at 43 percent among registered voters, with Kerry then holding a 12-point lead over Bush among independent voters.

This is key, as it will surely change after the Republican convention


The poll showed most Florida voters have already made up their minds, with only 12 percent saying they might change their choice in the weeks ahead.

12 percent is a big number!


In 2000, Bush defeated Democratic challenger Al Gore by 537 votes in Florida after a lengthy court fight in which Democrats said the votes of many of their supporters were not counted.

Only 47 percent of respondents in the recent poll said they were very satisfied that their vote would be counted correctly this time, and only one in five said they were very confident the new touch-screen technology would alleviate Florida's election woes.

The other 53% probably think they are too stupid to accurately cast a vote.

[hcap]

Sorry cj, further bad news for your guy.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

"Friday the 13th. George Bush's unlucky day. An American Research Group poll just released shows Kerry with a 48% to 45% lead in Ohio, with Nader at 2%. The MoE is 4%, so this is a statistical tie. Nevertheless, it is large shift from the previous poll, which gave Bush a 5% lead. A Quinnipiac University poll puts Kerry ahead in Florida by 47% to 41%, with Nader at 4%. This result is consistent with the previous poll. A new poll in New Jersey puts Kerry substantially ahead there again.

Consider the significance of the map today. Kerry is leading by 116 votes in the electoral college. Suppose Bush loses Ohio and Florida? What can he do to catch up? He might win West Virginia, Missouri, Iowa, and Wisconsin. Minnesota, Oregon, and Maine are currently barely Kerry, but it is likely Kerry will carry them in the end. Michigan and Pennsylvania are increasingly solid for Kerry. Bush has little hope there unless the September and October jobs reports are unexpectedly stellar."

Your right though, things will change somewhat after the repub convention. IMHO not alot.

And the debates will favor Kerry

[hcap]

From http://www.dailykos.com/

GOP convention bounce
by kos
Fri Aug 13th, 2004 at 01:20:46 GMT

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that we won't see any bounce out of the GOP convention. Three quick reasons:

1. What the heck can Bush say that he hasn't said before? It's not as if he's introducing himself to the American people. He's the most well-known human being on the planet.

2. Divided nation. Almost everyone has made up their minds. Surveys have shown more Americans paying attention to the elections at this point than in other recent elections. The battle lines have been drawn.

2. Lack of network coverage. The GOP is pinning their hopes for a bounce on Tuesday speeches by Laura Bush, Rod Paige, and Ahnold, Wednesday speeches by Lynne Cheney, Dick Cheney, and Zell Miller, and Thursday speeches by Pataki and Bush.

Wednesday night is Fright Night, obviously. Not a lot of gaining gonna happen then. Gay-friendly, abortion-friendly Ahnold is simply going to contrast what a "moderate" Republican looks like, opposed to Bush's presidency. And Pataki?

I'd be more worried with prime time speeches from Colin Powell and Donald Rumsfeld (people like the old crank). I'd be more worried if Giuliani was on prime time. I'd be more worried if anyone but Cheney was the big speaker on Wednesday.

[hcap]

Iraq is not going away. It is now substantially worse. The dems have not really used it yet. Remember this....

A PLASTIC turkey to the troops....

[Derek2U]

You're right . Imagine a photo-op when OUR guys are losing
limbs & dying. Bush should be force-fed that platter. I got to
wonder if it's possible to SUE Bush & Ashcroft & Cheney & Rice
for treason after they're replaced? Any ideas about this? Well
I off to Bridgehampton this weekend --- see some of you (the
Real Cappers) in the WR sometime this weekend.

[PaceAdvantage]

It's called a MORALE BOOSTER Derek.....

I wish you luck with your lawsuit...perhaps you can get Michael Moore to sit at the plaintiffs' table....

[hcap]

Derek,

The irony is Martha Stewart, who is tried and convicted, can cook a real turkey with all the trimmings, while our preznit gobble-gobble-deegook, serves up browned polystyrene is free at least till somewhat after nov 2nd.

Go figure.

[hcap]

Kerry leading Bush in key swing states

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040815/pl_afp/us_vote_040815092928
Sun Aug 15, 5:29 AM ET

WASHINGTON (AFP) - Although polls show the US presidential race a virtual dead heat, Democrat John Kerry (news - web sites) appears to be gaining an edge over George W. Bush among the key states that could decide the outcome.


An AFP review of various polls showed the Massachusetts senator leading in the hunt for the decisive 538 electoral votes that are apportioned among the states and awarded in separate winner-take-all contests.

Nationwide, the November 2 election is shaping up as every bit as close as the 2000 cliffhanger in which outgoing vice president Al Gore (news - web sites) won the popular tally but lost to the Republican Bush by five electoral votes.

Voter surveys show Bush and Kerry running even. A Pew Research Center poll released Thursday put Kerry ahead 47-45 percent while a Gallup study Friday had Bush on top 48-47 percent, both margins statistically insignificant.

But with the electorate highly polarized and largely decided, Kerry seemed to have an advantage among the 16 "battleground" states stretching from Oregon to Florida that are considered still up for grabs.

The states account for 177 of the 270 electoral votes needed to win. Polls show the Democrat leading in 10 states with 119 electoral votes, Bush ahead in one state with six, and five states with 52 electors a tossup.

[hcap]

Even though this is going back and forth, you have to admit unless the repub conv pulls an osama rabit out of the hat, things don't look that good for our preznit.

Released: August 15, 2004

Kerry Favored Over Bush 47%-43% In Multi-Candidate Race; Voters With Passports Give Kerry 58%-35% Edge; Candidates in Dead Heat Among Investors; New Zogby America Poll Reveals

When asked if President Bush "deserves to be re-elected", 43% of likely voters responded positively, while the majority (53%) still says that it is "time for someone new."


As part of the Zogby-O’Leary Report Red and Blue States Monitor, in the Blues States, those won by former Vice-President Al Gore in the 2000 presidential election, Kerry receives 54% of support, as compared to Bush 37%. In the Red States, Bush is favored by 47%, while receives 41% support.


http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=851

http://pollingreport.com/wh04gen.htm

[Derek2U]

I do NOT hate Bush personally. His policies in almost EVERY area
are old & lack vision & segement our society. In NO WAY do I
think Kerry is GREAT --- just that I can see some ++changes
possible with Kerry & NOT with Bush.

[Lefty]

derek, yes, changes with Kerry are a given: Pull our troops prematurely from Iraq and it finds another dictator. Turn all war decisions over to the corrupt UN. Our taxes go up. Terror attacks become commonplace. Yes, changes...

[Buckeye]

Lefty,

I think I'll pass on these John Kerry probables . . .

But maybe that's just me!

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally posted by Derek2U
I do NOT hate Bush personally. His policies in almost EVERY area
are old & lack vision & segement our society. In NO WAY do I
think Kerry is GREAT --- just that I can see some ++changes
possible with Kerry & NOT with Bush.

Fair enough Derek. This is perhaps the most coherent and agreeable statement you've made all week. Kudos!

[Tom]

Originally posted by Lefty
derek, yes, changes with Kerry are a given: Pull our troops prematurely from Iraq and it finds another dictator. Turn all war decisions over to the corrupt UN. Our taxes go up. Terror attacks become commonplace. Yes, changes...

Yes, but pull our troops froma lot of other places where they are doing us no good and THEM a big financial favor-like Eurpope-is a good thing. The re-alignement he annoucned today should casue some flack amoung the Euro-losers. They are on thier own now. Hehehe.
Hcap-admitt he is trouble! What a laugh! Finding Bin Laden would only be icing on a rather large cake already being served. The fact that you have to resort to plastic turkey photo ops shows just how pathetic your boy is. But you know, John Kerry has gotten more milage out of a three hour boat ride than Gilligan ever did!:D

[Lance]

Tom wrote:

"The fact that you have to resort to plastic turkey photo ops shows just how pathetic your boy is."

Is this you taking another shot at President Bush, Tom? It's hard to read it any other way. It was his photo op. It was bad enough when you called President Bush an "idiot" and a "POS." Please always remember that he is our president. The other day, you wrote that most voters are uninformed idiots. You are talking about Americans, Tom, and frankly, I'm beginning to doubt your patriotism.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Lance
Tom wrote:

"The fact that you have to resort to plastic turkey photo ops shows just how pathetic your boy is."

Is this you taking another shot at President Bush, Tom? It's hard to read it any other way. It was his photo op. It was bad enough when you called President Bush an "idiot" and a "POS." Please always remember that he is our president. The other day, you wrote that most voters are uninformed idiots. You are talking about Americans, Tom, and frankly, I'm beginning to doubt your patriotism.


Obviously, your reading comprehension has not improved. It was not hard to understand I was refering to Kerry by my use of the words "your boy."
I am typing this post real slooooooooow can you can read it and understand it. But seriously, you should read these things before happy hour. :D

[Lance]

Tom,

Your post was addressed to Lefty. Then you wrote: "Hcap-admitt he is trouble!" Was this you switching from Lefty to Handicap? What the hell does this mean? There is no way you were taught to "write" like this in the United States. Please tell me what country you are from and why you called our president an "idiot" and a "POS" in the middle of a war.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Lance
Tom,

Your post was addressed to Lefty. Then you wrote: "Hcap-admitt he is trouble!" Was this you switching from Lefty to Handicap? What the hell does this mean? There is no way you were taught to "write" like this in the United States. Please tell me what country you are from and why you called our president an "idiot" and a "POS" in the middle of a war.

Hey Lance,,,,bite me, moron. Your stupidity is not worth replying to.

[Lance]

Tom wrote:

"Hey Lance,,,,bite me, moron. Your stupidity is not worth replying to."

Your words are of their usual eloquence, Tom. Words of gold, jaw of glass. At least you didn't call me a "POS," as you called President Bush, or a "coward," as you called John Kerry, who was in Vietnam while you were running out the clock in college and honing the language skills that you put to such fine use on this board.

[Tom]

Kerry a war hero? Don't make me laugh. Self inflicted wounds, lies, his own fellow service men disdain him. I stand by my comments. And I did serve in the military...I was in the same unit as Michael Moorse and Bill Clinton. Get over it. WE won the war, dude.

To call you a POS would be rude to S in piles everywhere. Stupid little trolls have no relevence.....you sound like Ljb.....did you come back with a new name so you could pretend you weren't a troll? Or you just a cheap knock off of the real thing.
It doesn't matter. JATUTFB.

[Tom]

Is this your war hero?

[Lance]

Tom wrote:

"And I did serve in the military...I was in the same unit as Michael Moorse and Bill Clinton. Get over it. WE won the war, dude."

No, dude, we lost that war. You were "educated" where, exactly?

"To call you a POS would be rude to S in piles everywhere."

To call me a POS would be to call me the same thing you called President Bush--in the middle of a war, no less. Are you a traitor, Tom? That is what you keep calling other people. I think the word applies better to you.

"Stupid little trolls have no relevence"

I would expect even a stupid little troll to know how to spell "relevAnce."

"Kerry a war hero? Don't make me laugh. Self inflicted wounds, lies, his own fellow service men disdain him."

Do a poll of the men on his boat. It's an easy poll to do. You can find these men at Kerry rallies. When you're done, maybe we can do a poll of your college classmates and find out what kind of courage you displayed in 1969.

[Tom]

Do poll of the Swiftboat Vets...they will tell you all you need to know about Kerry.
And lost what war, egghead? Did I mention a war? I mentioned Clinton and Moore. but you just assumed a war. I didn't mention one. Do you have trouble with reading still?
Nice try, Lance, but you have no originality, nothing but troll dances. Go play with someone else. Like I said, you aren't worth replying to, so this is the last one you get from me. BTW, Kerrry, by his own admission, is a war criminal. In 1969, I was not.
HAND

[Lance]

Tom wrote:

"Do poll of the Swiftboat Vets...they will tell you all you need to know about Kerry."

The men who were on Kerry's boats are swiftboat vets, Tom, and they are campaigning for Kerry.

"And lost what war, egghead?"

The Vietnam War, Tom. The Vietnam War was a long war that took place in the 1960s and 1970s. Vietnam is a country in Asia. Asia is a continent. Any further questions on this subject should be addressed to John Kerry, who was in Vietnam while you were in college doing Lord knows what.

"Did I mention a war?"

Why, yes, Tom, you did. In response to my comments about Kerry's service in Vietnam and your service in, um, college, you wrote: "'WE won the war, dude.'"

"Like I said, you aren't worth replying to, so this is the last one you get from me."

If this reduces the likelihood that you will call President Bush an "idiot" and a "POS" again during wartime, I'm all for it. I don't like traitors, Tom.

[hcap]

New York Daily News - http://www.nydailynews.com
Ex-Navy chief: Kerry earned Nam medals
BY JAMES GORDON MEEK
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU
Monday, August 16th, 2004

WASHINGTON - The Republican chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee said yesterday that John Kerry "deserved" his combat medals for heroism in Vietnam, which some vets have disputed.

Sen. John Warner, an ex-Navy secretary under President Richard Nixon, particularly defended the process by which Kerry won his highest honor, the Silver Star.

"I'd stand by the process that awarded that medal, and I think we best acknowledge that his heroism did gain that recognition," Warner (R-Va.) told CNN's "Late Edition."

Kerry was awarded a Silver Star, Bronze Star and Purple Hearts as a Navy Swift boat commander in the Mekong Delta in February and March 1969.

"We did extraordinary, careful checking on that type of medal [the Silver Star], a very high one, when it goes through the secretary," Warner said. "I feel that he deserved it." Like Presidents Lyndon Johnson and Nixon - both Navy vets of World War II whose war service was later questioned - Kerry has had to face recent allegations in TV ads from others serving near him in Vietnam claiming that he lied about his combat heroism.

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a Vietnam prisoner of war, has condemned the ads - but President Bush has not.

Last week, Bush told CNN'S Larry King that Kerry served nobly in America's longest war, adding only that his Democrat opponent "is justifiably proud of his record in Vietnam and he should be."

[hcap]

Revolt of the Press Corps

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4943-2004Aug16.html

By Dan Froomkin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Monday, August 16, 2004; 11:09 AM

The press corps appears to have had about enough of those hokey "Ask President Bush" events.

Instead of taking questions from reporters, President Bush has become increasingly partial to playing talk-show host to an audience of sycophantic fans.

There were four "Ask President Bush" events last week and in each case, after a long speech and staged interviews with prepped guests, Bush opened the floor to some incredible softballs.

..... There's never a nasty question, never a heckler, nothing but love. That makes for great imagery and great soundbytes.

But now the press is pulling back the curtain.


Can anyone believe the verbal skills that are needed by a president to lead a country are present in this man? Maybe during the debates Kerry will ask george about the white house curtains, or his favorite brand of pretzels?

Btw, Tom I have noticed YOUR writing skills have recently given way to hysterical meanderings. Taking lessons from your cranium-challenged leader ??

:confused:

[hcap]

Or maybe Bush will let it slip during the debates that "nukular WMDs could still be in Iraq, jest that until Haliburton digs new awl wells we won't know eggsactly where they've been"

http://www.humorgazette.com/images/bob-toon-mispro480.jpg

http://www.humorgazette.com/ce_nuke-u-lar.htm

Also see "Nostradamus issues terror warning"

http://www.humorgazette.com/images/nostradamus1.jpg

[hcap]

http://www.dailykos.com/
Anti-Iraqi forces
by kos
Tue Aug 17th, 2004 at 01:33:49 GMT

Juan Cole notes one bit of Pentagon propaganda making its way into US newscasts.

CNN appears to have been the victim of a second-hand psy-ops campaign, insofar as it is referring to the guerrillas as "anti-Iraqi forces." The idea of characterizing them not as anti-American or anti-regime but "anti-Iraq" was, according to journalist Nir Rosen, come up with by a PR company contracting in Iraq. Nir says that they were told that no Iraqis would fall for it. So apparently it has now been retailed to major American news programs, on the theory that the American public is congenitally stupid.
I know at least one AP report that included the phrase "anti-Iraqi forces". Fox News is probably spearheading the effort.

More...

.. Bush treats bin Laden a lot like those wizards in the Harry Potter books treat He Who Must Not Be Named.

Since the beginning of 2003, in fact, Bush has mentioned bin Laden's name on only 10 occasions. And on six of those occasions it was because he was asked a direct question.

In addition, there were four times when Bush was asked about bin Laden directly but was able to answer without mentioning bin Laden's name himself.

Not once during that period has he talked about bin Laden at any length, or said anything substantive.

During the same period, for comparison purposes, Bush has mentioned former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein on approximately 300 occasions.

The last time Bush spoke protractedly about bin Laden was at a March 2003 news conference. Bush was asked then by Kelly Wallace of CNN why he so rarely mentioned bin Laden, and whether bin Laden was, in fact, dead or alive [...]

[Bush's answer:] "So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you ... I truly am not that concerned about him."
None of this is new, of course, but it's always nice to remind people that Bush is just "not that concerned" about the man who led the 9/11 attacks.

[hcap]

Col. David Hackworth has a message for the Swift Boat Veterans Against Kerry: Get the hell out of way and get over it.

The muckrakers such as John O'Neill and his Swiftboat snipers who didn't sail on his boat but served anywhere from 100 meters to 300 miles away are now coming off like eyewitnesses when in fact not one of their testimonies would hold up in a court of law. A judge would call these men liars and disallow their biased statements.

I've been in a fair number of battles in my lifetime, first fighting for my country in several hot wars, then covering a dozen conflicts as a correspondent. And I've learned that if you can't see the fight right up close, smell it, hear it and touch it, you can't possibly bear witness.

This isn't the first time Kerry's been sniped at. Joe Klein wrote in The New Yorker that Nixon aide Charles Colson formed the Vietnam Veterans for a Just Peace in 1971 solely to attack John Kerry.

Colson told Klein that Kerry "was a thorn in our flesh. He was very articulate, a credible leader of the opposition. He forced us to create a counterfoil. We found a vet named John O'Neill and formed a group called Vietnam Veterans for a Just Peace. We had O'Neill meet the president, and we did everything we could do to boost his group."

O'Neill and his chorus of haters are still in their get-Kerry mode. I suspect the decades-long fury is still fueled by Kerry's high-profile anti-war stance when he returned home. That was a position that was taken by hundreds of thousands of other Viet vets, including myself in 1971 - which, according to Joe Califono's recent book, Inside: A Public Life, almost cost me my life.

[hcap]

John O’Neill is is a Houston lawyer whose law firm “Clements, O’Neill, Pierce, Wilson & Fulkerson, L.L.P. handles “Commercial, Oil & Gas, Securities, Intellectual Property & Employment litigation.” One of his law partners, Margaret Wilson, was the general council for Bush from 1998 to 2000 while he was Texas governor.

Prior to working for Bush, Wilson layered for the law firm of Venson & Elkins, Enron’s main law firm.

Steven Cambone, the current Bush general council, also worked for Venson & Elkins

O'Neill, first recruited to go after Kerry by the Nixon administration in 1971, said on CNN's Crossfire on August 12 that "I've had no serious involvement in politics of any kind in over 32 years." O'Neill also denied being a Republican.

Yet Federal Election Commission records show O'Neill has contributed $14,650 to political candidates -- all Republicans -- since 1990. Voter registration rolls in Harris County, Texas, show O'Neill is, in fact, a registered Republican who has voted in every Republican primary since 1972.

O'Neill, a Houston lawyer, clerked for Supreme Court Justice William Rehnquist, a Nixon appointee. According to Texas Lawyer magazine, O'Neill lobbied for an appointment to the federal bench by former President George H.W. Bush and cited his involvement in local GOP politics. He made it to the White House's short list but did not get the appointment.

Records compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics show O'Neill contributes only to Republicans.

Can anyone spell a-g-e-n-d-a.?

Smells like rotting fish to me

[cj]

6 posts in a row in the same thread by the same person has to be a record, I'm putting a stop to it. Who in the world would actually read all those?

[hcap]

Will be away for a while. Thought I would post in advance.

Have fun

[cj]

Originally posted by hcap
Will be away for a while. Thought I would post in advance.

Have fun

I wish you well in your time away. Exercise those arms as much as possible when they take the straight jacket off!

[hcap]

I will, if you promise to remove your blinders, and exercise your critical thinking abilities.

Your avatar has VERY DARK glasses. Or is that just the republican dark side of the force?

:rolleyes: