Going to start utilizing the built in "User Infraction System" on this board

[PaceAdvantage]

In short, you'll rack up 1 point for any of the following on the HORSE RACING forums here (off-topic posts will not be subject to penalty points....yet....we will moderate off-topic as usual):


Insulting Other Member(s)
Inappropriate Language (mainly hardcore-type stuff...stuff *I* wouldn't use)
Having your Post / Thread Deleted for violating TOS (http://www.paceadvantage.com/TOS_PrivacyStatement.html)

If you amass three points in a 10 day period, you get automatically shut down for one day. If you get six points in a 10 day period, you are automatically silenced for five days. Anything above that, and you risk being permanently removed from the active roster.

Sorry it has come to this...and hopefully it's a temporary thing, but I must wrest control back on this board. The moderators need an easier and more defined way to go about achieving more civility around here, because some people obviously don't pay attention to the gentle hints I've been dropping for almost 17 years now.

Note to moderators --> Under every user name on every post you will see the following symbol: http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/images/buttons/green/infraction.gif

Click the symbol to "award" points to a user following an infraction.

The rest will take care of itself.

Thanks.

[PaceAdvantage]

The above applies to all registered, active users...even Authorized Advertisers.

Peace out.

[rastajenk]

When I was a kid, only the cool guys got detention.

I never got detention.

[PaceAdvantage]

You can tell the creators of vBulletin are soccer fans...:lol:

[Andy Asaro]

Seems to me that this rule disproportional targets Horseplayers. :lol:

[PaceAdvantage]

Your observation skills are as honed as ever...:ThmbUp:

[Fred Mertz]

Is Mr. Prick 5" the cause of all this?

You mention 10-day periods, so it follows that one gets a fresh slate after 10 days. Or do things accumulate forever?

p.s. I'm just testing the system not the authorities in charge.

[PaceAdvantage]

Is Mr. Prick 5" the cause of all this?

You mention 10-day periods, so it follows that one gets a fresh slate after 10 days. Or do things accumulate forever?

p.s. I'm just testing the system not the authorities in charge.Points get subtracted 10 days after they were "earned."

I feel silly even typing the above. It's pretty pathetic what I have to resort to on this website.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Vcash work as bail?

[thaskalos]

In short, you'll rack up 1 point for any of the following on the HORSE RACING forums here (off-topic posts will not be subject to penalty points....yet....we will moderate off-topic as usual):


Insulting Other Member(s)
Inappropriate Language (mainly hardcore-type stuff...stuff *I* wouldn't use)
Having your Post / Thread Deleted

If you amass three points in a 10 day period, you get automatically shut down for one day. If you get six points in a 10 day period, you are automatically silenced for five days. Anything above that, and you risk being permanently removed from the active roster.

Sorry it has come to this...and hopefully it's a temporary thing, but I must wrest control back on this board. The moderators need an easier and more defined way to go about achieving more civility around here, because some people obviously don't pay attention to the gentle hints I've been dropping for almost 17 years now.

Note to moderators --> Under every user name on every post you will see the following symbol: http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/images/buttons/green/infraction.gif

Click the symbol to "award" points to a user following an infraction.

The rest will take care of itself.

Thanks.

The "hardcore" stuff is easy to identify...but I have a hard time understanding what you mean by "insult".

Is it an "insult" to call someone "ignorant"?

[SoCalCircuit]

Is Mr. Prick 5" the cause of all this?

You mention 10-day periods, so it follows that one gets a fresh slate after 10 days. Or do things accumulate forever?

p.s. I'm just testing the system not the authorities in charge.

That's gotta fall into categories 1 and 2. I'm going to lodge an objection.

[PaceAdvantage]

The "hardcore" stuff is easy to identify...but I have a hard time understanding what you mean by "insult".

Is it an "insult" to call someone "ignorant"?It's kind of like that famous line from the Supreme Court and pornography. We'll know it when we see it.

[PaceAdvantage]

That's gotta fall into categories 1 and 2. I'm going to lodge an objection.Only category 1. Prick would not be considered inappropriate language in and of itself...not looking to turn this into a "My Pretty Pony" board, after all.

And it's going to be a learning curve for all involved...:lol:

But you're correct...let this serve as a warning instead of an actual 1pt penalty Mr. Mertz.

[Andy Asaro]

Vcash work as bail?

No bail for Horseplayers. #remanded

[PaceAdvantage]

Is it an "insult" to call someone "ignorant"?It would be if all you have to back it up is opinion versus fact.

I doubt calling someone ignorant would or should generate a foul.

This isn't going to be an exact science. And it may not even last a day as an experiment. At least you can rest easy in that your "point tally" is not going to be publicly available data. :lol:

[PaceAdvantage]

Vcash work as bail?vCash is no more, mercifully.

[EasyGoer89]

Vcash work as bail?

I was gonna suggest 3 compliments erases one 'strike' :headbanger:

[VigorsTheGrey]

Words are not the only measure of slight and insult...silence wounds deepest...

[Andy Asaro]

You can't put the rain back in the sky

[Fred Mertz]

But you're correct...let this serve as a warning instead of an actual 1pt penalty Mr. Mertz.

But, Mr. PA, I was expecting my one demerit to test the system. And if two other mods penalized me also for the same infraction, then I'd be out of town for a week, or whatever was the timeout.

Mr. Softee is how I see you. My sister had an imaginary friend she called Mr. Softee, so it's all good.

I don't envy your job. I've been on other forums for years and it can get nasty and ugly watching and sometimes participating in what we used to call flame wars.

[whodoyoulike]

Only category 1. Prick would not be considered inappropriate language in and of itself...not looking to turn this into a "My Pretty Pony" board, after all.

And it's going to be a learning curve for all involved...:lol:

But you're correct...let this serve as a warning instead of an actual 1pt penalty Mr. Mertz.

Maybe, we should compile a list so we have an understanding of the acceptable boundaries. This is pretty vague. I remember, George Carlin did one.

[ultracapper]

No wonder you need this PA. It's already like a bunch of naughty children. "Can I do this? How about this? What if he does this first?"

Then it's going to be, "Yeah, but you didn't do anything when he said that".

HAHA! Best of luck mods!!!

[PaceAdvantage]

I don't like lists. And I don't expect this to be used all that widely. Believe it or not, the majority of people here are cool.

[HalvOnHorseracing]

I'd offer two measures. Don't make it personal if you don't want people to take it personally. Every one of us knows when we are doing that. Strive to disagree without being disagreeable.

[ReplayRandall]

I'd offer two measures. Don't make it personal if you don't want people to take it personally. Every one of us knows when we are doing that. Strive to disagree without being disagreeable.
You've got it twisted around, it should be, "Don't take it personally if you don't want people to then make it personal"......That's much better, if I do say so myself.

[Exotic1]

I was gonna suggest 3 compliments erases one 'strike' :headbanger:

Collusion is too easy. What about proof of Community service?

Who has time for that, we're busy playing.

[no breathalyzer]

Vcash work as bail?

:lol:

[EasyGoer89]

Vcash work as bail?

I'm going to put this up in the 2017 top 5 'POY' entrants.

Again, gold from JHS! :D

[VigorsTheGrey]

You can't put the rain back in the sky

It's done all the time..it is called evaporation...! :eek:

[AltonKelsey]

It's done all the time..it is called evaporation...! :eek:

As a certain poster might say.......:ThmbUp::ThmbUp::ThmbUp::ThmbUp::ThmbUp: :ThmbUp::ThmbUp:

[Tom]

Do we have to punch out for lunch too?

[EMD4ME]

Do we have to punch out for lunch too?

:lol::lol::lol::pound::pound::pound::pound:

THAT , was worth the price of admission !

[EMD4ME]

I have to say, these new rules are absolutely amazing. Long time coming, as far as I'm concerned. Thumbs up PA for a friendlier place to visit :headbanger:

I already feel the difference sir :ThmbUp:

[Mr. Pick 5]

I have to say, these new rules are absolutely amazing. Long time coming, as far as I'm concerned. Thumbs up PA for a friendlier place to visit :headbanger:

I already feel the difference sir :ThmbUp:

Couldnt agree more :jump::jump::jump:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXQkXXBqj_U

[cj]

Only category 1. Prick would not be considered inappropriate language in and of itself...not looking to turn this into a "My Pretty Pony" board, after all.

And it's going to be a learning curve for all involved...:lol:

But you're correct...let this serve as a warning instead of an actual 1pt penalty Mr. Mertz.

Damn, was reading from the oldest to newest and was about to assess my first yellow.

[AltonKelsey]

Have to agree wholeheartedly.

Wonderful to have a safe space. :ThmbUp::ThmbUp::ThmbUp::ThmbUp::ThmbUp:

[cj]

:lol:

Emoticon only posts are subject to cards from me, just like posting non-cancellation posts in the cancellation thread.

[CincyHorseplayer]

I've been exercising the self timeout when I feel myself getting irritable from an overdose of internet!

[reckless]

Emoticon only posts are subject to cards from me, just like posting non-cancellation posts in the cancellation thread.

Does a cancellation comment beyond the simple posting of a cancellation warrant a yellow card?

If so, could I be OK'd and grandfathered into a comment since I have a good one in mind for the next time Parx cancels racing on a warm and balmy day such as it did last Saturday.

Thanks in advance. :D

[VigorsTheGrey]

Does a self-cancellation after posting count against the poster...?

[VigorsTheGrey]

Emoticon only posts are subject to cards from me, just like posting non-cancellation posts in the cancellation thread.

Is it possible to have only one thread called "Emotitown" where posters could create narratives using only emoticons and numbers shown on the right...? I did so recently only to have it deleted...I was doing it as an experiment in creativity....We only are allowed 80 emoticons to work with but that is more than enough to create some interesting "storylines"

You probably think I'm nuts to ask such a thing...that's ok...I'm kind of a writing type, and writers tend to be a little quirky, if not odd...

...I'll understand if you wish not to extend this 1 exception, other than in the "Emotitown Thread" all posts using ONLY emoticons would be banned...

[Murph]

You can tell the creators of vBulletin are soccer fans...:lol:
If YOU were a soccer fan you would tell us who has a yellow card so we could turn up the heat on our "opponent".:pound::pound:

I like your idea because we CAN get past the arena opponent mentality and have better discussions. I recall from the past when you or CJ locked a thread I would think "UH OH! LOCKDOWN!" because some of those conversations felt like cell block riots.
:lol:

[Dave Schwartz]

Maybe, we should compile a list so we have an understanding of the acceptable boundaries. This is pretty vague. I remember, George Carlin did one.


You do realize that you could max out like a 2 weeks of points with those 7 words, right?

:lol::lol:

(edited part)
WAIT! Bad humor doesn't count, does it boss?

[therussmeister]

I've been exercising the self timeout when I feel myself getting irritable from an overdose of internet!

The funny thing is I mostly post only when I'm irritated. That's how I let off steam. That's why I have almost no useful posts.

[ultracapper]

The funny thing is I mostly post only when I'm irritated. That's how I let off steam. That's why I have almost no useful posts.

LOL!!!!!!!
Post of the day

[Brogan]

What is the appeal process going to be? After all, this is a horse racing board, we need to be able to continue posting questionable material while our appeal(s) drag out for years!

[PaceAdvantage]

Does a self-cancellation after posting count against the poster...?No. I amended my first post in this thread to say Having Your Post/Thread Deleted for violating TOS

[JustRalph]

What is the appeal process going to be? After all, this is a horse racing board, we need to be able to continue posting questionable material while our appeal(s) drag out for years!

Can I hand my account over to my wife for posting during my suspension?

[Mr. Pick 5]

I don't want to jump the gun but this place feels safer already!!! :headbanger::jump::headbanger::jump::ThmbUp::ThmbU p::popcorn::popcorn:

[stuball]

If I'm a snowflake I need a safe room
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[thaskalos]

Will we KNOW that we've been "flagged"...or do we find out only at suspension time?

[PaceAdvantage]

Will we KNOW that we've been "flagged"...or do we find out only at suspension time?Yes, we are required to include a little note along with the penalty...it's all quite cordial.

[thaskalos]

If the MODERATOR is the one guilty of violating this "User Infraction" amendment...will he then proceed to charge HIMSELF in accordance with the above-established rules?

[PaceAdvantage]

You love busting my balls, don't you? :pound:

[Brogan]

Will we KNOW that we've been "flagged"...or do we find out only at suspension time?

Beware of double secret probation.

[cj]

If the MODERATOR is the one guilty of violating this "User Infraction" amendment...will he then proceed to charge HIMSELF in accordance with the above-established rules?

I know I will, can't speak for PA.

[SG4]

Can I hand my account over to my wife for posting during my suspension?

:lol: Isn't there already enough suspicion of people using paper posters to hide the real identity of who's calling the shots?

[Tom]

Is there a leaderboard someplace?

[EMD4ME]

Is there a leaderboard someplace?

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

You almost never stop making me laugh :lol: (but I think you were serious)...

[cj]

Can we add "Constantly bringing up the demise of the NYRA TV Channel" as a demerit?

[EMD4ME]

Can we add "Constantly bringing up the demise of the NYRA TV Channel" as a demerit?

If we do, I respectfully ask for proper notice before imbibing a demerit. :D



If I don't know it's against the rules, I might violate the rules. I'm sure one would understand my position.

[MonmouthParkJoe]

Is there a leaderboard someplace?

I love this idea. Keep a running total front and center when you login.

[VigorsTheGrey]

Is there anyway you could run "roboboot" against the last, say, 200 posts of each member and take a running tally....then post the results for all to see, a type of public shaming to expose the top offenders... Might have some surprising results....the same standard of "bad behavior" would be appraised for all....

[Lemon Drop Husker]

My excuse will always be that Irad Ortiz is riding me.

[cj]

I love this idea. Keep a running total front and center when you login.

No! Then we'd have people wanting to get flagged and racking up points.

[whodoyoulike]

I really don't like this because I usually write the way I talk.

You may not believe this but, I've actually "disagreed" with a few on here. The disagreements were never initiated by me but I've never been shy about expressing my opinions and may have pointed out a few errors of the ones I'm in disagreement.

Btw, I'll treat others the same way they treat me.

Or, is the reason for this change because of Tom?

[banacek]

If it's retroactive, I might start posting here again. :D

[showonly]

IMO This was not well conceived. It will will accomplish something other than it's intended agenda. I with certainty can say that almost everyone who chimes in on the new "fico" system of behavior on a public forum will have never been a negative to this forum in their own minds. First you warn and then you take action. This action is accompanied by additional warning of following actions.

[Grits]

IMO This was not well conceived. It will will accomplish something other than it's intended agenda. I with certainty can say that almost everyone who chimes in on the new "fico" system of behavior on a public forum will have never been a negative to this forum in their own minds. First you warn and then you take action. This action is accompanied by additional warning of following actions.

I'm not understanding how you can state much, with certainty, when you've only posted here 39 times. Mike has given a gazillion warnings. Things get heated and they spiral, horribly, at times. My thought on this is that it may prove too consuming for him and the moderators. We will see soon.

The new upgrade added one info bite everyone may not be aware of yet that may prove as an assistant in helping the moderators. Many of us, including myself, have experienced moments of disagreement with one poster or another. Often, when doing so, we click on that individual's name at the bottom of the page, go to their profile page and read their recent posts. (I've done this when logging back in, as well as reading the continued conversation.) This could be done privately. .... Not any more.

If you click on a user's profile, you're there. You're then listed as a "visitor" to their page. This, alone, can help to right or check our behavior towards others here. Granted we may have simply checked a profile when someone's been gone for a long period of time--to see when they last posted. Still, our names are left in the "visitor's box".

There's comfort in "The Road Less Traveled." I've only had two visitors. ;)

[whodoyoulike]

... If you click on a user's profile, you're there. You're then listed as a "visitor" to their page. This, alone, can help to right or check our behavior towards others here. Granted we may have simply checked a profile when someone's been gone for a long period of time--to see when they last posted. Still, our names are left in the "visitor's box".

There's comfort in "The Road Less Traveled." I've only had two visitors. ;)

Is this a plea for more visitors?

How about coming back in a week with an updated number?

And, I'm not going to get into it with you in any topic on here because you're one of the sharpest wits on this board. I don't want to appear any more ignorant than I am when it's completely unnecessary on my part.

[showonly]

I'm not understanding how you can state much, with certainty, when you've only posted here 39 times. Mike has given a gazillion warnings. Things get heated and they spiral, horribly, at times. My thought on this is that it may prove too consuming for him and the moderators. We will see soon.

The new upgrade added one info bite everyone may not be aware of yet that may prove as an assistant in helping the moderators. Many of us, including myself, have experienced moments of disagreement with one poster or another. Often, when doing so, we click on that individual's name at the bottom of the page, go to their profile page and read their recent posts. (I've done this when logging back in, as well as reading the continued conversation.) This could be done privately. .... Not any more.

If you click on a user's profile, you're there. You're then listed as a "visitor" to their page. This, alone, can help to right or check our behavior towards others here. Granted we may have simply checked a profile when someone's been gone for a long period of time--to see when they last posted. Still, our names are left in the "visitor's box".

There's comfort in "The Road Less Traveled." I've only had two visitors. ;)


I can state with certainty because of the common nature of problems facing anonymous forums. The principal or big two being personal attack and non-relevant posts. There are different sub-sets of non-relevant or "off topic" posts I.E.spammers. It is not a problem to identify the problem posts or problem posters. It is what action the site deems appropriate that determines the effect these posts have on the environment. I am going to stipulate to your statement "Mike has given a gazillion warnings". This leads me to hypothesize Mike's warnings have no teeth. Do any of you remember in professional wrestling when a competitor would choke the opponent. While doing this the referee would count and if the choke time reached 5 seconds the transgressor would be disqualified. Needless to say that never occurred but a duration of 4 seconds was reached on every occasion. I have no idea who Mike is but will say in his defense that suspending and barring patrons can be a double edged sword. IMO The point system will abused like the optic that was presented to wrestling fans. JMO

[Grits]

Is this a plea for more visitors?

NO!! Whodo, it's not. :pound:

I'm not prone to pleading. That is, not unless:

1. It's an emergency situation involving health and safety.

2. My pick is all out to cross the wire first.

And you've never been ignorant on this board. Don't be silly...:)

[HuggingTheRail]

I'm Canadian...so if I am issued 1 point in US, that is 1.35 with exchange and breakage. I'll need to be extra careful

[jimmyb]

"And shepherds we shall be, for Thee, my Lord, for Thee. Power hath descended forth from Thy hand.";)

[rastajenk]

How about a sub-forum called the Fight Club, or the Penalty Box, where threads that get overheated get moved to, or started? :popcorn: Let 'em have at it! :jump:

[EMD4ME]

How about a sub-forum called the Fight Club, or the Penalty Box, where threads that get overheated get moved to, or started? :popcorn: Let 'em have at it! :jump:


If we had that then the TLG thread wouldn't / might've not been closed...

[EasyGoer89]

How about a sub-forum called the Fight Club, or the Penalty Box, where threads that get overheated get moved to, or started? :popcorn: Let 'em have at it! :jump:

The one rule about fight club...:D

[HuggingTheRail]

If we had that then the TLG thread wouldn't / might've not been closed...

That thread should have gone to off-topic...

[EMD4ME]

That thread should have gone to off-topic...

I always knew you were wise .....:ThmbUp:

[thaskalos]

I make it odds-on that the TLG thread will be back up by Thursday night.

[cj]

I make it odds-on that the TLG thread will be back up by Thursday night.

Stick to poker and horses :)

[PaceAdvantage]

I make it odds-on that the TLG thread will be back up by Thursday night.Who needs that thread when we now have something like this going in the Selections forum:

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137329

:headbanger: :pound:

You can feel free to stop by every day I'm doing this and ridicule my line...should be fun!

[thaskalos]

Who needs that thread when we now have something like this going in the Selections forum:

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137329

:headbanger: :pound:

You can feel free to stop by every day I'm doing this and ridicule my line...should be fun!

Be nice to me...or I'll get EMD to track the performance of your picks. :)

[HuggingTheRail]

Be nice to me...or I'll get EMD to track the performance of your picks. :)

those are cherry picks :lol:

[whodoyoulike]

Who needs that thread when we now have something like this going in the Selections forum:

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137329

:headbanger: :pound:

You can feel free to stop by every day I'm doing this and ridicule my line...should be fun!

Turns out you did pretty good the first day.

Why don't you provide some insight of your thinking process similar to your major race day analyses except you don't have to go in depth as those?

It would be nice if you did some minimum like possible speed duel and like the presser ##. Or, two front runners and a closer have the best chance.

Whenever I see just numbers in the selections, I always wonder how a random number generated selections would compare.

How do we know that isn't what these people are actually doing in the selections threads?

[Franco Santiago]

Can we see who has earned demerits? It's fun to see who is in trouble.

[PaceAdvantage]

Whenever I see just numbers in the selections, I always wonder how a random number generated selections would compare.

How do we know that isn't what these people are actually doing in the selections threads?Except that I also provide my minimum betting line as well. It's all I need in the end.

I honestly don't have the time to go in depth most of the time...I mean, with everything else I do...keeping this board running...holding down a full time job (which means you should automatically dismiss my posts in that thread anyway, since I'm not betting for a living), how am I going to find time to go in depth on 5-10 races a day?

I'll leave that kind of full service for others to provide. Let me have my little niche for now...thanks

[thespaah]

Seems to me that this rule disproportional targets Horseplayers. :lol:

No...It targets those who post here.
Lurkers get a free pass...
Dag nabbit, why is that?.....Why do THEY get a free ride?
They get to do whatever they want!
It a conspiracy, I tell ya!

[VigorsTheGrey]

Except that I also provide my minimum betting line as well. It's all I need in the end.

I honestly don't have the time to go in depth most of the time...I mean, with everything else I do...keeping this board running...holding down a full time job (which means you should automatically dismiss my posts in that thread anyway, since I'm not betting for a living), how am I going to find time to go in depth on 5-10 races a day?

I'll leave that kind of full service for others to provide. Let me have my little niche for now...thanks

Exactly, that's kind of why I created Clipboard, I have most of what I need right there...I can be as creative as I want there, sequestered in my own little world....thanks, Mike, for providing SPACE for that to happen...
...:jump::liar::cool::):blush::eek:

[HalvOnHorseracing]

Except that I also provide my minimum betting line as well. It's all I need in the end.

I honestly don't have the time to go in depth most of the time...I mean, with everything else I do...keeping this board running...holding down a full time job (which means you should automatically dismiss my posts in that thread anyway, since I'm not betting for a living), how am I going to find time to go in depth on 5-10 races a day?

I'll leave that kind of full service for others to provide. Let me have my little niche for now...thanks

During the Belmont and Saratoga seasons I do selections with analysis. It takes a good two hours to write-up a card, and that's after handicapping. There are a lot of days it cuts into doing other things, but based on visits to my web site, I've got a good following and I think it is important to keep a commitment. Still, I think it is great that somebody posts publicly, even if it is just selections without extensive comment. Frankly, I can look at a horse someone has on their selections and handicap for myself. Yeah, it would be helpful to know the thinking, especially when you can't see the horse, but if it is someone with a pretty good record of selections, that's still worth considering.

In the winter I post selections only for Aqueduct, weekends only. If you want to ignore them, fine. But PA's point is well taken. Until you have someone paying you to write up some number of races a day, if you are getting a free look at someone's thinking I'd say take what you are given - or ignore it, but make criticism with your inner voice.

[Nitro]

Turns out you did pretty good the first day.

Why don't you provide some insight of your thinking process similar to your major race day analyses except you don't have to go in depth as those?

It would be nice if you did some minimum like possible speed duel and like the presser ##. Or, two front runners and a closer have the best chance.

Whenever I see just numbers in the selections, I always wonder how a random number generated selections would compare.

How do we know that isn't what these people are actually doing in the selections threads?
Beyond posting picks, Why would anyone’s posted subjective interpretation of the PP’s have any significance to someone else? Apparently some players seem to think that the only innumerable answers to this game are based on varying opinions on the same information that most handicappers are using. Unfortunately that’s all based on the past and doesn’t even consider the current condition of the horses entered or the intentions of their connections.

Based on what I’ve witnessed in the Selection forum it's highly doubtful those sharing their picks are posting just arbitrary numbers. We all have a method to our madness.

I would challenge anyone to attempt using a “random number” generator to come up with any winning selections on a race-by-race basis.

[Murph]

Based on what I’ve witnessed in the Selection forum it's highly doubtful those sharing their picks are posting just arbitrary numbers. We all have a method to our madness.

I would challenge anyone to attempt using a “random number” generator to come up with any winning selections on a race-by-race basis.
OH Yeah?! I challenge YOU to use a random number generator and post those selections, since it is your idea. You could leave my madness out of it and go consider your own.

[kingfin66]

Except that I also provide my minimum betting line as well. It's all I need in the end.

I honestly don't have the time to go in depth most of the time...I mean, with everything else I do...keeping this board running...holding down a full time job (which means you should automatically dismiss my posts in that thread anyway, since I'm not betting for a living), how am I going to find time to go in depth on 5-10 races a day?

I'll leave that kind of full service for others to provide. Let me have my little niche for now...thanks

I have apparently made a very incorrect assumption about you (and probably others on this board) as I figured most are retired. I was not aware that you work. What do you do, it you do not mind my asking?

[PaceAdvantage]

What do you do, it you do not mind my asking?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqEHtZHlsf0

[kingfin66]

I figured that it was either that or Bucket Holder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OWMB3ewpNM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aczPDGC3f8U

Or perhaps a motivational speaker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfqIjqCbYUk

[PaceAdvantage]

Awwwww...somebody doesn't like me...so sad...:lol:

[NorCalGreg]

I think you took that the wrong way....but--

Do me a favor? While you're contemplating suicide....check your email first.

[kingfin66]

Awwwww...somebody doesn't like me...so sad...:lol:

I thought we were having fun:confused::confused::confused:

[PaceAdvantage]

I thought we were having fun:confused::confused::confused:Those other occupations you posted were less than ideal...piss bucket holder? :lol:

At least a male prostitute has some merit...:lol:

[cj]

At least a male prostitute has some merit...:lol:

It isn't as glamorous as many think.

[kingfin66]

Those other occupations you posted were less than ideal...piss bucket holder? :lol:

At least a male prostitute has some merit...:lol:

But Matt Foley is a classic.