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barn32
02-28-2017, 10:26 PM
The Democrats refuse to stand up. :eek:

Tom
02-28-2017, 10:39 PM
When Trump speak, the democrat do not have a leg to stand on.
ba dum.

Seriously.....

The democrats are worthless slugs.
Trump is making excellent points, which is why any brain-dead lib would be offended.

Looking, talking very presidential tonight.
Some unseen in 8 years.

Trump stands for America.
No democrat does.

johnhannibalsmith
02-28-2017, 10:57 PM
He needs a time limit. After a while it just sounds like the teacher from the Peanuts sped up about 20%.

barn32
02-28-2017, 11:14 PM
When the speech was over the Democrats were tripping over each other to get the hell out of there.

JustRalph
03-01-2017, 12:09 AM
Incredible reactions on Twitter. Lots of people saying best speech they ever heard

barn32
03-01-2017, 12:11 AM
You just follow a lot of right wing whacko nut jobs. :pound:

NJ Stinks
03-01-2017, 12:33 AM
Incredible reactions on Twitter. Lots of people saying best speech they ever heard

Is it possible to be anymore bias than you are? :rolleyes:

johnhannibalsmith
03-01-2017, 12:35 AM
Is it possible to be anymore bias than you are? :rolleyes:

Just wait... :lol:

NJ Stinks
03-01-2017, 12:40 AM
Just wait... :lol:

You are right, of course! ;)

JustRalph
03-01-2017, 12:50 AM
Is it possible to be anymore bias than you are? :rolleyes:


I'm not biased....... I just hate Democrats......

LottaKash
03-01-2017, 02:11 AM
I'm not biased....... I just hate Democrats......

First President, in how many years, that wasn't pushing the "New World Order"...

What a relief...What an All American Speech....:jump::jump::jump:

OntheRail
03-01-2017, 02:26 AM
It was a very good speech. I also noticed as President Trump spoke more and more Democrats broke ranks standing up and applauded. People above Party... loved it.

Go Trump...:headbanger:

Marshall Bennett
03-01-2017, 05:29 AM
Its apparent even here that Democrats are embroiled in envy. First they lose an election they were suppose to win. Trump nails his speech further demonstrating himself as a true leader. Democrats must feel awfully small and unimportant right now. Just like a spoiled rotten brat, they'll never stop crying either. :)

davew
03-01-2017, 07:36 AM
I'm not biased....... I just hate Democrats......

Maybe you are just a realist and not an idealist?

Fager Fan
03-01-2017, 08:52 AM
Dems shot themselves in the foot last night. To not applaud or stand for things like creating jobs or the soldier killed in action made them look pretty deplorable. They showed their objective isn't America first. I'd be embarrassed and angry with them if I was a Dem.

Someone will have to tell me if Republicans acted so badly during the Obama SOTU speeches. I couldn't stomach watching so didn't see for myself, but I don't recall hearing that Republicans were so nastily partisan during those speeches. If they did, shame on them too.

newtothegame
03-01-2017, 09:07 AM
You just follow a lot of right wing whacko nut jobs. :pound:

Maybe you didn't see Van Jones' comments.....:popcorn:

barn32
03-01-2017, 09:10 AM
I will say this. This was his best speech ever using the teleprompter. All of his other speeches using that device were stiff and really unwatchable. It made him look like he was doing a poor job of reading something. It wasn't Trump.

Trump needs to talk as if he is just winging it. That is when he is the most effective.

As far as speeches go it was very good, but he did not offer one single specific that I recall unless I fell asleep during that part.

barn32
03-01-2017, 09:14 AM
Maybe you didn't see Van Jones' comments.....:popcorn:On Twitter I follow ten people, and and only one of them is a politician [Trump].

But then again he is more of an entertainer.

Jess Hawsen Arown
03-01-2017, 09:36 AM
Dems shot themselves in the foot last night. To not applaud or stand for things like creating jobs or the soldier killed in action made them look pretty deplorable. They showed their objective isn't America first. I'd be embarrassed and angry with them if I was a Dem.

Someone will have to tell me if Republicans acted so badly during the Obama SOTU speeches. I couldn't stomach watching so didn't see for myself, but I don't recall hearing that Republicans were so nastily partisan during those speeches. If they did, shame on them too.

I believe the only interruption of a SOTU speech that I ever heard was a Republican named Joe Wilson who screamed "Liar!" at Obama. George W Bush was booed when he said Social Security would be bankrupt by 2042. (We now know that President Bush was too optimistic). I'm going to guess that both Lincoln and Andrew Johnson heard a lot of rudeness crap, but believe it or not, that was before my time.

The Dems did surprise me at how well behaved they were last night. I expected their typical childishness. I don't have a problem with them not standing up for issue with which they did not agree. The thumbs down was in poor taste, but not the end of the world.

I only had one problem with Trump's speech last night. The VOICE acronym was definitely a mistake. I agreed with its purpose, but "I" standing for IMMIGRANT was not appropriate, IMO.

Other than that it was a great speech. The reason why the Dems scurried out of the auditorium like roaches when the light is turned on, is because they had to make speeches to their constituents before the people had a chance to think for themselves about what they just heard.

rastajenk
03-01-2017, 10:02 AM
A quick look at my Facebook commentariat this morning suggests the libs aren't quite sure how to react; none of the usual instantly shared crap....still waiting on instructions, I guess. :p

That has to mean it was a good speech. Personally, I passed on it, content to read my usual bias-confirming opinion-makers. :cool:

PaceAdvantage
03-01-2017, 10:51 AM
CBS commentators after the speech were practically gushing over Trump (well, for them, anyway). It's like they couldn't believe what they just saw...they couldn't believe the man was capable of such a thing...:lol:

It's all just so ridiculous...

johnhannibalsmith
03-01-2017, 11:08 AM
They probably just were caught off-guard by how much more politically correct his statements were than usual.

woodtoo
03-01-2017, 11:28 AM
After seeing the DemocRats reaction to this speech I was appalled bigly.
They are now dead to me. This includes Canadian DemocRats.

Our government funded propaganda wing, the CBC have been bashing President Trump for as long and hard as CNN. And I have been letting them know for weeks now...without a single response.:puke:

boxcar
03-01-2017, 11:38 AM
CBS commentators after the speech were practically gushing over Trump (well, for them, anyway). It's like they couldn't believe what they just saw...they couldn't believe the man was capable of such a thing...:lol:

It's all just so ridiculous...

The MSM doesn't realize that Trump is growing into the job and, therefore, grooming himself for a second term. :jump::ThmbUp:

NJ Stinks
03-01-2017, 11:59 AM
After seeing the DemocRats reaction to this speech I was appalled bigly.
They are now dead to me. This includes Canadian DemocRats.

Our government funded propaganda wing, the CBC have been bashing President Trump for as long and hard as CNN. And I have been letting them know for weeks now...without a single response.:puke:

You do realize that if you bashed Trump here instead of praising him, you would be getting a whole bunch of responses saying who gives a s_ _ t what a Canadian thinks, don't you? :popcorn:

woodtoo
03-01-2017, 12:40 PM
You do realize that if you bashed Trump here instead of praising him, you would be getting a whole bunch of responses saying who gives a s_ _ t what a Canadian thinks, don't you? :popcorn:

I do.

Dems didn't stand while Trump acknowledged
Disabled
Middle class
Inner cities
Military
Minorities
But Trumps the bigot

Who do you love?

Rise Over Run
03-01-2017, 12:47 PM
I do.

Dems didn't stand while Trump acknowledged
Disabled
Middle class
Inner cities
Military
Minorities
But Trumps the bigot

Who do you love?

You forgot Law Enforcement

NJ Stinks
03-01-2017, 12:53 PM
I do.

Dems didn't stand while Trump acknowledged
Disabled
Middle class
Inner cities
Military
Minorities
But Trumps the bigot

Who do you love?

Only a hypocrite on the Dem side of the aisle would get up and cheer this guy after his first 40 days in the White House.

Talk is cheap. When Trump actually does something Dems agree with, Dems might get up.

woodtoo
03-01-2017, 12:55 PM
And a few others I'm sure.:D

woodtoo
03-01-2017, 12:58 PM
Only a hypocrite on the Dem side of the aisle would get up and cheer this guy after his first 40 days in the White House.

Talk is cheap. When Trump actually does something Dems agree with, Dems might get up.

At this point I have no expectations of the Dems, none, nada, zip, zero.

NJ Stinks
03-01-2017, 01:08 PM
At this point I have no expectations of the Dems, none, nada, zip, zero.

At least you won't be disappointed. :jump:

Marshall Bennett
03-01-2017, 01:11 PM
Only a hypocrite on the Dem side of the aisle would get up and cheer this guy after his first 40 days in the White House.

Talk is cheap. When Trump actually does something Dems agree with, Dems might get up.
That's really a poor quality statement even for a liberal. His first 40 days bother you (most Americans are satisfied) yet 8 years of Obama's destruction doesn't phase you.
There are many Democrats as could be seen last night that are ready to work together to right the ship. There are also closed minded liberals like yourself that will never budge an inch for anything other than the far left. The group you hang with will one day become extinct. The old clowns in your party will soon die off. The younger Democrats in your party are already restless, many already jumping ship. Liberals have damaged this nation almost beyond repair, and there are many unlike yourself ready to admit to it and do what's right to fix it. You and whats left of the liberal nation will be holding a burnt out torch that represents nothing any longer.

woodtoo
03-01-2017, 01:26 PM
That's really a poor quality statement even for a liberal. His first 40 days bother you (most Americans are satisfied) yet 8 years of Obama's destruction doesn't phase you.
There are many Democrats as could be seen last night that are ready to work together to right the ship. There are also closed minded liberals like yourself that will never budge an inch for anything other than the far left. The group you hang with will one day become extinct. The old clowns in your party will soon die off. The younger Democrats in your party are already restless, many already jumping ship. Liberals have damaged this nation almost beyond repair, and there are many unlike yourself ready to admit to it and do what's right to fix it. You and whats left of the liberal nation will be holding a burnt out torch that represents nothing any longer.

You nailed it. The Party of the Walking Dead.

woodtoo
03-01-2017, 01:30 PM
At least you won't be disappointed. :jump:

True. it will be expected disappointment.
I expect nothing less and nothing more.

NJ Stinks
03-01-2017, 01:43 PM
That's really a poor quality statement even for a liberal. His first 40 days bother you (most Americans are satisfied) yet 8 years of Obama's destruction doesn't phase you.
There are many Democrats as could be seen last night that are ready to work together to right the ship. There are also closed minded liberals like yourself that will never budge an inch for anything other than the far left. The group you hang with will one day become extinct. The old clowns in your party will soon die off. The younger Democrats in your party are already restless, many already jumping ship. Liberals have damaged this nation almost beyond repair, and there are many unlike yourself ready to admit to it and do what's right to fix it. You and whats left of the liberal nation will be holding a burnt out torch that represents nothing any longer.

I believe you wrote what you sincerely believe to be true. One of us will be disappointed down the road - that's for sure. (Probably both of us to some extent.)

johnhannibalsmith
03-01-2017, 01:50 PM
... (Probably both of us to some extent.)

Save this prophecy. Anyone that comes with this "America is saved! Liberalism is over! Democrats are endangered!" are singing the same tune as the post-Obama election liberals and their century long reign to come now that Republicans were extinct. That worked out well.

PhantomOnTour
03-01-2017, 01:59 PM
Save this prophecy. Anyone that comes with this "America is saved! Liberalism is over! Democrats are endangered!" are singing the same tune as the post-Obama election liberals and their century long reign to come now that Republicans were extinct. That worked out well.

The role reversal is remarkable.

The Right now hails their savior and the Left finds every little thing they can to cry about

JustRalph
03-01-2017, 02:01 PM
I think you saw the difference between Democrats and Liberals. Hard core political Dems sat on their hands. Those who are plain Liberals found some common ground.

I make a distinction between the two.

barn32
03-01-2017, 03:01 PM
You nailed it. The Party of the Walking Dead.It wasn't that long ago they said the same thing about Republicans.

Politics is ebb and flow. When people get tired of Republicans they'll vote Democrat and vice versa. Been that way for centuries now.

johnhannibalsmith
03-01-2017, 03:16 PM
The role reversal is remarkable.

...

Just another splendid benefit of our entrenched two-party system. File it right next to railing against ___________ (eg, executive orders) one week and then cheering it as the route to redemption the next.

mostpost
03-01-2017, 04:14 PM
Dems shot themselves in the foot last night. To not applaud or stand for things like creating jobs or the soldier killed in action made them look pretty deplorable. They showed their objective isn't America first. I'd be embarrassed and angry with them if I was a Dem.

Someone will have to tell me if Republicans acted so badly during the Obama SOTU speeches. I couldn't stomach watching so didn't see for myself, but I don't recall hearing that Republicans were so nastily partisan during those speeches. If they did, shame on them too.
"YOU LIE."No, I don't mean you are lying here. I'm referring to the Republican congressman who shouted, "You lie." during one of Obama's State of the Union speeches.

Maybe the Democrats didn't applaud or stand up for creating jobs, because they don't think Trump will create any jobs. Maybe they think his methods are just a continuation of failed Republican job creation methods of the past.

woodtoo
03-01-2017, 04:22 PM
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,
then you win. Ghandi

FantasticDan
03-01-2017, 04:27 PM
https://twitter.com/TeaPainUSA/status/836930690746826754

woodtoo
03-01-2017, 04:29 PM
..."and we will win, and you will win, and we will keep on winning, and you will eventually say we can't take all of this winning,...please Mr. Trump...

and I will say, NO, we will win, and we will keep on winning"!...
Donald J. Trump

OntheRail
03-01-2017, 04:49 PM
It wasn't that long ago they said the same thing about Republicans.

Politics is ebb and flow. When people get tired of Republicans they'll vote Democrat and vice versa. Been that way for centuries now.
President Trump may have run on the Republican Ticket ( smart move ) but he is not a run of the mill R.... he is far from it... a breeze of fresh air. Gathering focus and strength. The R's are riding his coat tail. We should enjoy these 8 yrs as we will not likely see another President Trump in our lifetimes.

MikeH
03-01-2017, 05:39 PM
First President, in how many years, that wasn't pushing the "New World Order"...

+1

mostpost
03-01-2017, 05:56 PM
Dems shot themselves in the foot last night. To not applaud or stand for things like creating jobs or the soldier killed in action made them look pretty deplorable. They showed their objective isn't America first. I'd be embarrassed and angry with them if I was a Dem.

Someone will have to tell me if Republicans acted so badly during the Obama SOTU speeches. I couldn't stomach watching so didn't see for myself, but I don't recall hearing that Republicans were so nastily partisan during those speeches. If they did, shame on them too.
In my previous post I said you did not lie. Now, I am not so sure. I just watched the speech on line for the first time. Talk about a part of my life I will never get back.:rolleyes:

When Trump introduced the widow of that soldier every Democrat rose up and applauded. A few of them sat down sooner than others, but the only reason Republicans continued applauding was that they were afraid to stop until Trump stopped. It reminded me of Poliboro meetings during the Stalin era.

Stalin would enter the room and everyone was afraid to stop clapping for fear of being labeled a counterrevolutionary. Men actually fainted.

mostpost
03-01-2017, 05:59 PM
President Trump may have run on the Republican Ticket ( smart move ) but he is not a run of the mill R.... he is far from it... a breeze of fresh air. Gathering focus and strength. The R's are riding his coat tail. We should enjoy these 8 yrs as we will not likely see another President Trump in our lifetimes.
I certainly hope you are right. One was three to many.

LottaKash
03-01-2017, 06:02 PM
Talk about a part of my life I will never get back.:rolleyes:




You will just not eat your "spinach"... Maybe you should continue to sit there, and just hold your breath.... :D

Greyfox
03-01-2017, 06:03 PM
It reminded me of Poliboro meetings during the Stalin era.


As if you ever were in any or saw those meetings, but you remember the propaganda of the day that you were fed and upchuck it back today.

ReplayRandall
03-01-2017, 06:03 PM
In my previous post I said you did not lie. Now, I am not so sure. I just watched the speech on line for the first time. Talk about a part of my life I will never get back.:rolleyes:

When Trump introduced the widow of that soldier every Democrat rose up and applauded. A few of them sat down sooner than others, but the only reason Republicans continued applauding was that they were afraid to stop until Trump stopped. It reminded me of Poliboro meetings during the Stalin era.

Stalin would enter the room and everyone was afraid to stop clapping for fear of being labeled a counterrevolutionary. Men actually fainted.
What planet did you fly in from?? Did your alien parents disown you or did they come with you??....Your posts are like a grade B sci-fi flick, and yet I keep reading them....:popcorn:

Marshall Bennett
03-01-2017, 06:25 PM
It wasn't that long ago they said the same thing about Republicans.

Politics is ebb and flow. When people get tired of Republicans they'll vote Democrat and vice versa. Been that way for centuries now.
Trends don't last forever and times are a whole lot different. Unless Democrats change their philosophy substantially they'll never get back up again. The 60's movement is over. It never worked. Freedom without a price never existed. Nothing is free. Unless democrats toss all this garbage in the trash they won't stand a chance. Your open borders policy and "be nice to foreigners that want us dead" mentality won't be attractive anymore.
Yeah, there are some bad apple Republicans, but the party as a whole is stronger than ever. It's the current party that has the answers, and many Democrats are seeing it as well. It's not ebb and flow anymore. Its broad-based reality.

johnhannibalsmith
03-01-2017, 06:32 PM
Trump got elected because Dems ran Hillary! instead of Generic Democrat A - or really anyone that acted like they wanted the job and didn't feel entitled to it. I don't really think the world shifted quite as dramatically as some here do. The results of an election of who do you not like the least hardly seems like some kind of affirmative revolution.

ArlJim78
03-01-2017, 08:21 PM
Its apparent even here that Democrats are embroiled in envy. First they lose an election they were suppose to win. Trump nails his speech further demonstrating himself as a true leader. Democrats must feel awfully small and unimportant right now. Just like a spoiled rotten brat, they'll never stop crying either. :)
The democrats looked so petty and pathetic compared to Trumps vision.
I don't think they even realize how over their party is.

mostpost
03-02-2017, 02:59 AM
In addition to the lies being told on this forum about whether Democrats stood up at certain points in Trump's speech, there are the lies he told in the speech.
http://theproudliberal.org/trumps-speech-was-so-full-of-bs-that-the-washington-post-had-to-fact-check-it/

The Washington Post put its fact checkers to work on the President's speech.
Here are five statements the Post took to task on behalf of the American people:
“94 million Americans are out of the labor force.”
FALSE. The Post characterizes this as “an absurd claim.” According to figures from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, that 94 million figure includes people who are “retired, students, stay-at-home parents or disabled.” Of those 94 million, only 7.6 actually want a job and are currently seeking one. Sorry Trump, but there’s a pretty significant difference between 94 million and 7.6 million.

Since my election, Ford, Fiat-Chrysler, General Motors, Sprint, Soft Bank, Lockheed, Intel, Walmart, and many others, have announced that they will invest billions and billions of dollars in the United States, and will create tens of thousands of new American jobs.”
FALSE. Sure, the President would love to be able to take credit for all this. But the fact is, in almost all of these cases these decisions were made before he was inaugurated, as with Fiat-Chrysler, whose investment plan had been planned well over a year before the president took office. The Post reports that Ford canceled a move to Mexico because of dwindling demand for smaller vehicles.

“We’ve saved tax payers hundreds of millions of dollars, by bringing down the price of fantastic – and it is a fantastic – new, F-35 jet fighter. And we’ll be saving billions more on contracts all across our government.”
FALSE. Sorry, Trump, but you don’t get to take credit for this, either. According to the Post, the cost savings for the new F-35 were announced before Trump even had one conversation with Lockheed Martin.

“America has spent approximately 6 trillion dollars in the middle east. All the while our infrastructure at home is crumbling. With that 6 trillion dollars we could have rebuilt our country twice.”
FALSE. This is just a huge, unforgivable lie. The spending Trump refers to has a real cost of about 1.6 trillion dollars, a far cry from the 6 he announced. The Post adds, “The 6 trillion-figure adds in future spending, such as debt interest and veterans care, over the next three decades.” The Post also points out that President Obama pled with Congress for years for an infrastructure-spending bill, but was met with obstruction every step of the way.


“We’ve defended the borders of other nations while leaving our own borders wide open for anyone to cross, and for drugs to pour in at a now-unprecedented rate.
MOSTLY FALSE. The Post describes data that conflicts regarding the influx of drugs. They point out that when it comes to marijuana and cocaine, the amount has “dropped significantly,” while heroin and methamphetamine have both risen.

Five statements; four false, one mostly false. Actually pretty normal for Trump.

It wasn't in the Post article, but Trump mentioned that the murder rate rose at the highest rate in decades last year. True, but what he did not say was that it was still lower than all but eight of the last forty years. He did not mention that during the first seven years of the Obama administration the rate was at its lowest point in those forty years. He somehow forgot to mention that the murder rate in 2016 was 5.6 per 100,000. From 1981 to 1992 it never dropped below 7.9/100,000 and was often above 9/100,000.

His statement on drug use was also wrong.

mostpost
03-02-2017, 03:22 AM
The democrats looked so petty and pathetic compared to Trumps vision.
I don't think they even realize how over their party is.
This is Trump's vision.
Cut taxes on the top one one percent so they can make even more money without giving anything back.

Eliminate regulations with no concern about what those regulations do.

Eliminate regulations in the coal industry so that more coal miners can die.

Treat decent, honest, Muslims as if they are all terrorists, thereby providing a breeding ground for more terrorists.

Build up our nuclear arsenal when the only sensible course is to limit and eventually eliminate it.

Make sure we have a need for that arsenal because every one hates us.

Blame everyone else for our failings.

Blame everyone else for his failings.

Blame immigrants.

Strip all protections from workers, the elderly, students, anyone who isn't the oligarchy.

Take credit for thing he hasn't done and blame others for things he has done.

Destroy the administrative state-or as it is sometimes called the United States of America.

Fager Fan
03-02-2017, 07:27 AM
https://twitter.com/TeaPainUSA/status/836930690746826754

So many people are blind. "Drunk Trump" won the nomination and won the election, against great odds and going up against the Dem machine and press. "Drunk Trump" is a lot smarter and craftier than those who would call him "Drunk Trump."

reckless
03-02-2017, 09:12 AM
In addition to the lies being told on this forum about whether Democrats stood up at certain points in Trump's speech, there are the lies he told in the speech.
http://theproudliberal.org/trumps-speech-was-so-full-of-bs-that-the-washington-post-had-to-fact-check-it/

The Washington Post put its fact checkers to work on the President's speech.
Here are five statements the Post took to task on behalf of the American people:
“94 million Americans are out of the labor force.”
FALSE. The Post characterizes this as “an absurd claim.” According to figures from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, that 94 million figure includes people who are “retired, students, stay-at-home parents or disabled.” Of those 94 million, only 7.6 actually want a job and are currently seeking one. Sorry Trump, but there’s a pretty significant difference between 94 million and 7.6 million.

Since my election, Ford, Fiat-Chrysler, General Motors, Sprint, Soft Bank, Lockheed, Intel, Walmart, and many others, have announced that they will invest billions and billions of dollars in the United States, and will create tens of thousands of new American jobs.”
FALSE. Sure, the President would love to be able to take credit for all this. But the fact is, in almost all of these cases these decisions were made before he was inaugurated, as with Fiat-Chrysler, whose investment plan had been planned well over a year before the president took office. The Post reports that Ford canceled a move to Mexico because of dwindling demand for smaller vehicles.

“We’ve saved tax payers hundreds of millions of dollars, by bringing down the price of fantastic – and it is a fantastic – new, F-35 jet fighter. And we’ll be saving billions more on contracts all across our government.”
FALSE. Sorry, Trump, but you don’t get to take credit for this, either. According to the Post, the cost savings for the new F-35 were announced before Trump even had one conversation with Lockheed Martin.

“America has spent approximately 6 trillion dollars in the middle east. All the while our infrastructure at home is crumbling. With that 6 trillion dollars we could have rebuilt our country twice.”
FALSE. This is just a huge, unforgivable lie. The spending Trump refers to has a real cost of about 1.6 trillion dollars, a far cry from the 6 he announced. The Post adds, “The 6 trillion-figure adds in future spending, such as debt interest and veterans care, over the next three decades.” The Post also points out that President Obama pled with Congress for years for an infrastructure-spending bill, but was met with obstruction every step of the way.


“We’ve defended the borders of other nations while leaving our own borders wide open for anyone to cross, and for drugs to pour in at a now-unprecedented rate.
MOSTLY FALSE. The Post describes data that conflicts regarding the influx of drugs. They point out that when it comes to marijuana and cocaine, the amount has “dropped significantly,” while heroin and methamphetamine have both risen.

Five statements; four false, one mostly false. Actually pretty normal for Trump.

It wasn't in the Post article, but Trump mentioned that the murder rate rose at the highest rate in decades last year. True, but what he did not say was that it was still lower than all but eight of the last forty years. He did not mention that during the first seven years of the Obama administration the rate was at its lowest point in those forty years. He somehow forgot to mention that the murder rate in 2016 was 5.6 per 100,000. From 1981 to 1992 it never dropped below 7.9/100,000 and was often above 9/100,000.

His statement on drug use was also wrong.

Look, mostpost, I truly do not care why or how Democrats and liberals try to dismiss the tremendous early days of Trump's presidency, which began the day after his expected and sure victory on Nov. 8, 2016, as you know.

I understand all the naysayers who are shocked, shocked of Trump's accomplishments since he basically took office on Nov. 9, 2016.

You allege that these companies were going to do all these things -- such as cutting the price of the F-whatever and Air Force One, and announcing jobs coming back to the USA -- were decided by these companies before Trump became president. This leads you to say that Trump lied for getting credit for all this.

Yet, where's the actual proof of such generosity coming from Corporate America? Any public press releases by these companies announcing their pro-USA, pro-jobs plans before Election Day? (Hint: it doesn't exist).

In the summer of 2016, Ford announced they were closing a plant and shipping manufacturing and the jobs to Mexico. Trump said that's not right and that will change when he's elected; and presto, Ford changed it's mind after he won his expected victory. Both Boeing and Lockheed also said that they can't produce the F-whatever and Air Force One for less money than what the old pork rolled contract said it was ... and presto, after a Trump tweet then a meeting at Trump Tower both companies announced that they figured out a way to build these planes for much much less money than previously announced. And then, adding that they were going to add more manufacturing jobs soon. :jump:

I don't care at all that there are many Trump bashers still. Most of you guys have been totally, consistently and patently wrong about Trump -- and have been since the summer of 2015. Why do you think you're so right this time. (Another hint: you are not.)

Most of you guys have lost all credibility so it really doesn't matter any more how you guys feel about Trump and his supporters. Whistle in the dark to your hearts content. You could even hide in the shadows and shoot spit balls at us all you'd like. Doesn't matter at all.

OntheRail
03-02-2017, 12:41 PM
In addition to the lies being told on this forum about whether Democrats stood up at certain points in Trump's speech, there are the lies he told in the speech.
http://theproudliberal.org/trumps-speech-was-so-full-of-bs-that-the-washington-post-had-to-fact-check-it/
Yes a bastion of unbiased opinion:rolleyes:

The Washington Post put its fact checkers to work on the President's speech.
Here are five statements the Post took to task on behalf of the American people:
“94 million Americans are out of the labor force.”
FALSE. The Post characterizes this as “an absurd claim.” According to figures from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, that 94 million figure includes people who are “retired, students, stay-at-home parents or disabled.” Of those 94 million, only 7.6 actually want a job and are currently seeking one. Sorry Trump, but there’s a pretty significant difference between 94 million and 7.6 million.

We'll go with the higher number... cause those that are retired still have a desire or a need to work... Welcome to WalMart.

Since my election, Ford, Fiat-Chrysler, General Motors, Sprint, Soft Bank, Lockheed, Intel, Walmart, and many others, have announced that they will invest billions and billions of dollars in the United States, and will create tens of thousands of new American jobs.”
FALSE. Sure, the President would love to be able to take credit for all this. But the fact is, in almost all of these cases these decisions were made before he was inaugurated, as with Fiat-Chrysler, whose investment plan had been planned well over a year before the president took office. The Post reports that Ford canceled a move to Mexico because of dwindling demand for smaller vehicles.

Really as I recall plants closing and relocating was the trend of the day up till Nov 8th. On the 9th a new trend started... with Carrier as the poster child.


“We’ve saved tax payers hundreds of millions of dollars, by bringing down the price of fantastic – and it is a fantastic – new, F-35 jet fighter. And we’ll be saving billions more on contracts all across our government.”
FALSE. Sorry, Trump, but you don’t get to take credit for this, either. According to the Post, the cost savings for the new F-35 were announced before Trump even had one conversation with Lockheed Martin.

Guess you missed the Trump Tower Meeting and post interview with the CEO's

“America has spent approximately 6 trillion dollars in the middle east. All the while our infrastructure at home is crumbling. With that 6 trillion dollars we could have rebuilt our country twice.”
FALSE. This is just a huge, unforgivable lie. The spending Trump refers to has a real cost of about 1.6 trillion dollars, a far cry from the 6 he announced. The Post adds, “The 6 trillion-figure adds in future spending, such as debt interest and veterans care, over the next three decades.” The Post also points out that President Obama pled with Congress for years for an infrastructure-spending bill, but was met with obstruction every step of the way.

Money spent is money spent... be it now or in the future.


“We’ve defended the borders of other nations while leaving our own borders wide open for anyone to cross, and for drugs to pour in at a now-unprecedented rate.
MOSTLY FALSE. The Post describes data that conflicts regarding the influx of drugs. They point out that when it comes to marijuana and cocaine, the amount has “dropped significantly,” while heroin and methamphetamine have both risen.

I guess they left the border de-fence slide. But Drugs be Drugs... Dope

Five statements; four false, one mostly false. Actually pretty normal for Trump.

5 statements... 5 truths... twisted and skewed by the butt hurt.

It wasn't in the Post article, but Trump mentioned that the murder rate rose at the highest rate in decades last year. True, but what he did not say was that it was still lower than all but eight of the last forty years. He did not mention that during the first seven years of the Obama administration the rate was at its lowest point in those forty years. He somehow forgot to mention that the murder rate in 2016 was 5.6 per 100,000. From 1981 to 1992 it never dropped below 7.9/100,000 and was often above 9/100,000.

His statement on drug use was also wrong.

Oh my you better shoot an email to the Post with your "Facts" they missed..:rant:

:pound:

Tom
03-04-2017, 11:09 AM
You do realize that if you bashed Trump here instead of praising him, you would be getting a whole bunch of responses saying who gives a s_ _ t what a Canadian thinks, don't you? :popcorn:

Well, at least you were resourceful enough to find something, no matter how trivial, to throw back at us. :pound:

Tom
03-04-2017, 11:15 AM
The left has used the last few days to confirm what lousy, scumbags they are to the man. Criticizing that widow was right of the Benghazi play book.

This is why you never, ever deal with them. The left is not worthy of any trust on any matter at any time. You do not negotiate with democrats, you destroy them.

The dems are not Americans - not a one of them,
they do not deserve to treated as such.,
The Russians have more integrity than the dems.

4 dead in Benghazi, one more now, all the same response from the left - so what?

I would step on a democrat before I would step on a cockroach.