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redeye007
02-28-2017, 08:43 AM
Roughly what percentage of players are now using Brisnet data with their computers to identify contenders? Based on what I observe on the tote odds it appears that almost everyone comes up with the same horses. The way the odds behave one might think that bots are doing the wagering. In the 90's and as far back as 4 or 5 years ago if you had Bris data you enjoyed a huge edge over the public. Not so anymore it seems. My best guess would be over 90% of the bettors are using Brisnet.

Jack950
02-28-2017, 08:46 AM
Brisnet user here. I believe they are the best PP's on the market. Also Like Timeform US, but mostly use Brisnet.

RainMan
02-28-2017, 09:24 AM
Started using BRIS back in the dial up days. I've been going to tracks in the south and southwest for 30 years and have never seen anyone else with a BRISNET chart except for my buddies. The more serious on-line players tend to gravitate to non DRF products but certainly not the casual railbirds.

Si2see
02-28-2017, 10:12 AM
I have used brisnet for over 10 years. I would have never thought about switching until recently, however last year in tournament play I was successful at finding more than a handful of nice price winners via the racing forms that they give out at the vegas tournaments.

In the last 4 months I have been using both of those when playing Gulfstream and had significantly better results with Drf. ( I do believe CJ made that light bulb go off in my head as to why )

I have not tried out TFUS or any other products so I can't comment on those. Until last year I was strictly a brisnet user.


With all of that said, in conclusion I actually think that you can study a race with bris info , then study the same race with the racing form ( or your preferred pp's ), and actually see the same race different ways.

Jason

Elliott Sidewater
02-28-2017, 10:23 AM
Been using BRISNET for 20 years. Good products at good prices. I highly doubt the 90% figure cited by OP, I wonder whether the actual percentage is even higher than 50%. My handicapping approach is highly reliant on the BRISNET Ultimate Past Performances. For years I never saw anyone else using BRISNET PP's at the track, but now I do on occasion. In my opinion, the DRF is in the process of or already has priced themselves into oblivion. With their new "partnership" with DRF, it is only a matter of time until TFUS becomes overpriced; quite a shame since it appears to be a very good product. If I wasn't so locked in to BRISNET, I definitely would have given TFUS a serious trial.

linrom1
02-28-2017, 11:37 AM
If one is a serious Turf race player, I don't see how anyone can use BRISNET pps for horses that race overseas. It's total garbage with most of information missing.....DRF does actually provide much more complete and accurate record for horses that raced at foreign racetracks.

I use ULTIMATE Brisnet Pps because they're are FREE on-line...even then the only information I look are their pace figures, which I also have to take with a grain of salt. When I use Brisnet PPs, I NEED to look at the ACTUAL chart from Equibase to find out what actually happened during the race AND who the horse in question ran against. Brinset finish line abbreviation are TOTALLY undecipherable.

FORMULATOR PPs are excellent but they're too expensive..so I purchase them on BIG days only like the upcoming Fountain of Youth racecard.

I am finding out that many people who wager on horses in racebooks only use the casino provided handouts made by Equibase or Brisnet. I do see few printed Bris PPs and occasinal Thoro-Graph, but the surprising thing is that most don't use any PPs, but the one who do, use the DFR which are FREE or cost only $3.00.

EMD4ME
02-28-2017, 01:01 PM
If youre taking a poll, I use DRF formulator and TFUS .

Mulerider
02-28-2017, 01:19 PM
I use the Bris Ultimates, running selected data through Excel, editing if necessary after watching replays. It has been my experience that if you weight heavily toward speed you will nearly always land on the favorites, of course, but if you fiddle around with the Current Class and Average Competitive Level categories you will find contenders at better prices. I am pretty well convinced that there is predictive value in those two categories, and those numbers go into my Excel model. I would love to know Bris' recipe for coming up with those metrics. I still have the same old problem, though: you can't get those numbers in data file format unless you buy the $14 data files, which I refuse to do. So I spend a whole lot of time manually entering data. (I see now that for a $30 per month plan Bris will sell those files for $7. Still not doing it.)

Mule

RunForTheRoses
02-28-2017, 02:16 PM
I used bris years ago but not really anymore, haven't paid for them in years. The reason why I don't use them is that I can't trust the figs. The figs, both pace and final time, are computer generated, right? The beyers and tfus are so much better. If I have the dough I'll get TG, but for the money using formulator and tfus is an inexpensive (fairly) way to have pretty good data.

upthecreek
02-28-2017, 02:55 PM
http://trainermagazine.com/articles/4o5sh24613yhwcp6t36aprivlj3lq7/2017/2/13

NorCalGreg
02-28-2017, 04:12 PM
For us regular "Joe Six-Pack" handicappers....Bris pace/speed figs work fine.

plainolebill
03-01-2017, 01:36 AM
I started using BRIS when I was betting via Philly Phone bet. Still using them, they're good enough.

thaskalos
03-01-2017, 03:28 AM
I use the HDW RsPos Reports...for which I pay $149 a month. If there is a better deal in horseracing...then I haven't come across it.

Jack950
03-01-2017, 06:37 AM
Want to clarify one thing on my post earlier. For the price think Brisnet is the best deal and solid PP's. However, I realize there are more expensive products that may be better overall. For instance, I really like Thorograph but I can not afford to use the product that much. I checked out the HDW site and it looks like good info. HTR is another one. Overall, a lot of options and I guess you have to find the PP"s you get results with at a price you can afford.

cnollfan
03-01-2017, 01:10 PM
I use Brisnet and TFUS in combination. Brisnet PPs are free for me through TwinSpires (must bet $2 on the card) and I have a yearly subscription to TFUS.
Used to use DRF hard copy primarily, but the online DRF is not competitively priced and as I slowly gravitated toward more online and less hard-copy handicapping DRF became less relevant. I understand that Formulator is a good product but there's only so much time.

cnollfan
03-01-2017, 01:13 PM
I use Brisnet less than I used to since the major downgrade last December.

Parkview_Pirate
03-01-2017, 02:06 PM
... My best guess would be over 90% of the bettors are using Brisnet.

Due to pricing, you may be right that online players - especially computer data file users - use BRIS and are a high percentage of the user base, though 90% seems a bit high. My best guess would be more along the lines of 75%.

At the track, where obviously more users need a hardcopy of the PPs, the DRF still rules.

Personally, since I do not rely on pace or speed figures as much for my handicapping, the BRIS ultimate PPs are fine. But I do find the DRF format easier to read, and of course the Beyers are more accurate. Like Si2see, I get a bit more of a complete picture of the race if I use both BRIS and the DRF, but that takes more time.

I've tried extensively to use the TimeFormUS PPs, but find them difficult to read. Per numerous other posters here, though, they swear by their pace and speed numbers.

I did not realize that HDW provided "traditional" PPs - I thought they just provided data files. Hmmmm, thanks Thask. Will take a look at those.....

barn32
03-01-2017, 02:40 PM
I did not realize that HDW provided "traditional" PPs - I thought they just provided data files. Hmmmm, thanks Thask. Will take a look at those.....I don't know where or how I got this link, but it was sitting on my browser and I just now read it. If you haven't already read it it's very interesting.

HDW History of RsPos
(http://www.horsedata.com/?q=content/history-rspos-tm)

Hapman
03-01-2017, 02:51 PM
I have been using Bris for the five years or so I've been doing this. I will say at the track I don't see a ton of people with them, then again my home track is AP so about 90% of the crowd has zero clue.

I also agree their biggest drawback is international horses. They basically have no data whatsoever for any Euros and are kind of useless. Otherwise I love BRIS.

JohnGalt1
03-01-2017, 04:40 PM
I use Bris Premium Plus pp's and will use them until the pp generator craps out. The person who developed it is retired and they are not updating it.

I use it so I can delete and not print what I believe is unimportant, like the company line, their pace and speed figures. I do my own.

Cost is $.80 per card. I also print their one page scratch sheet for $.80. I print in draft mode. I used to print the program, but the amount of pages, up to 10 on a big day, was too costly ink wise.

Poindexter
03-02-2017, 01:43 PM
I have used strictly Bris since I tried them a couple years back. Since they are the only pp's I use, I obviously can't compare there figures to others. One thing I will say is that I do a lot of carryover chasing these days(pick 4's, pick 5's, super high 5's......) so I play a lot of tracks I never even knew existed a year ago. I am now playing track like Laurel and Hawthorne and MVR and Sam Houston and Delta Downs.......To the credit of Bris, their figures and stats enable me to handicap these tracks I know nothing about just fine. I am just speculating, but I do not feel that would be the case with DRF. From what I have seen from CJ's Posts I am sure TimeformUS has better figures, but Bris is close enough to the DRF that the adjustment to reading it was easy. The one time I used TimeformUS, it was just different to me. I am a pen and paper old school handicapper. I can't do the colors and visuals and read the pp's on a computer screen.........doesn't work for me. Also the fact that I get Bris for free since I use Twinspires, seals the deal. My yearly outlay for past performances is zero.

RunForTheRoses
03-02-2017, 02:19 PM
I have used strictly Bris since I tried them a couple years back. Since they are the only pp's I use, I obviously can't compare there figures to others. One thing I will say is that I do a lot of carryover chasing these days(pick 4's, pick 5's, super high 5's......) so I play a lot of tracks I never even knew existed a year ago. I am now playing track like Laurel and Hawthorne and MVR and Sam Houston and Delta Downs.......To the credit of Bris, their figures and stats enable me to handicap these tracks I know nothing about just fine. I am just speculating, but I do not feel that would be the case with DRF. From what I have seen from CJ's Posts I am sure TimeformUS has better figures, but Bris is close enough to the DRF that the adjustment to reading it was easy. The one time I used TimeformUS, it was just different to me. I am a pen and paper old school handicapper. I can't do the colors and visuals and read the pp's on a computer screen.........doesn't work for me. Also the fact that I get Bris for free since I use Twinspires, seals the deal. My yearly outlay for past performances is zero.


I get tfus free from tvg which is real nice. What I do like about bris is the track profile, that is if you can trust it.

duncan04
03-04-2017, 02:46 PM
I use Brisnet due to getting free pp's from Twinspires.com

no breathalyzer
03-05-2017, 05:18 AM
I use Brisnet due to getting free pp's from Twinspires.com

me too i wouldn't never look at them otherwise

NorCalGreg
03-05-2017, 05:53 AM
me too i wouldn't never look at them otherwise

Because you wouldn't be able to afford them? :lol:

You know I'm playing with you, NB --I see your watch-list horses coming in regularly ;)

jefftune
03-05-2017, 11:26 AM
I've been using Brisnet for at least 15 years. Haven't bought DRF in years - what is it now, like $8?
I like a hard copy when I go to the track so I usually print out the Brisnet pps.
Most guys at my track just use the simulcast book(Equibase), and some have DRF. I don't see too many using Brisnet.

zerosky
03-11-2017, 05:46 AM
http://trainermagazine.com/articles/4o5sh24613yhwcp6t36aprivlj3lq7/2017/2/13

Thanks for the link, interesting read.

ReplayRandall
03-15-2017, 01:47 PM
Mike's gonna love that post!:D
Oh yeah......Paddy79's idea= Paddy86'd....:rip:

Murph
03-15-2017, 07:48 PM
If we knew market shares for ADW's , Twin Spires share might be a fair estimate for the OP's question. Bris info has to be popular but I would guess that Equibase is still the market leader.

Without Mr. Broadbent telling us outright what his numbers show, I do not know how to answer the question.