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Teach
01-28-2017, 08:45 AM
“Corrupt Bargain!” a man shouted out. Others in the crowd picked up the chant: “Corrupt Bargain!” “Corrupt Bargain!” “Corrupt Bargain!”

It was late-February, 1825. Philadelphia, PA. Supporters of “Old Hickory,” “The Hero of New Orleans,” Andrew Jackson, were holding a rally. The meeting was being held to give those in attendance the chance to air their displeasure over the outcome of the Election of 1824. Supporters of Andrew Jackson believed that “shady politics” had cheated their candidate out of becoming President of the United States.

As we look back, that Election of 1824 is sometimes called “The Favorite Son” Election featured candidates from various parts of the country. The four major candidates were: Andrew Jackson, Tennessee; John Quincy Adams, Massachusetts; Henry Clay, Kentucky, and William Crawford, Georgia. All four candidates were part of what was then called the Democratic-Republican Party.

After the ballots were counted, Andrew Jackson had received the most votes, a plurality, but not a majority. Jackson garnered 99 electoral votes (he also had a plurality in the popular-vote count) out of 261 electoral votes that were cast. Then came John Quincy Adams with 84 votes, William Crawford had 41 votes and Henry Clay brought up the rear with 37 electoral votes.

As no one candidate received a majority of the Electoral College votes, the Constitution (Amendment XII) dictated that there by a run-off election from the top three candidates with the U.S. House of Representatives deciding the outcome. Thus, Henry Clay, “The Great Compromiser,” was the 4th man out.

So, it was now up to The House to decide who our next president would be. Each state – there were 24 states in The Union at that time – would have one vote. That vote for the president would be determined by how a majority of the representatives from each state in the House voted. For example, in Kentucky, Henry Clay’s home state, Adams received eight votes to Jackson’s four. Thus, Adams would get that one vote that the state of Kentucky would cast for the presidency. In the end, Adams, the son of our second President, received 13 votes, Jackson 7, and Crawford 4. John Adams became the 6th President of the United States.

After the outcome had been decided, but before the inauguration, then held in early March, supporters of Jackson began claiming “corrupt bargain”. The reason for their claim, though unsubstantiated, was that Clay used his influence as “The Candidate of the West” to get the then western states, like his home state of Kentucky, to vote for Adams in return for being appointed secretary of State (In those days, the position of Secretary of State was a “stepping stone” to the presidency; John Quincy Adams had served in that capacity before being elected president).

As we fast-forward to the present, we all know that Donald J. Trump received a majority of the electoral votes that were cast by the Electoral College and that he was duly elected and sworn in as our 45th President of the United States.

Yet, there are some, mostly Clinton supporters, who, in private conversations and through Internet postings, allege: “Corrupt Bargain”.

That’s brings us to our current FBI Director, James Comey. Comey, appointed by Barack Obama to head the FBI, is in his 4th year of a ten-year term (FBI directors serve at the pleasure of the president, yet they are rarely removed out of respect for the independence of that office).

Well, less than two weeks before the election, Comey revealed to Congress that a probe – originally dismissed in October for not having found incriminating information in a batch of Hillary Clinton’s emails – was back on.

When Comey announced that the probe of Secretary Clinton’s emails was to be resumed, Democrats excoriated the FBI Director for violating long-standing Justice Department policies about taking overt steps in an investigation so close to the day when voters would go to the polls. Although Comey “walked back” his allegations just before the election, the damage had been done.

Only a month earlier, the then candidate-Trump implied that Comey was corrupt for saying publicly that the bureau had not found anything incriminating.

As in the election of 1824, nothing had been clearly defined or deliniated as for the reason the action was taken. Yet, the fact that it took place so close to Election Day is puzzling. There are those who are calling for a review. Something Comey says he welcomes. And yes, it will be James Comey, as FBI Director, who will likely be taking a leading role in the investigation on alleged Russian hacking.

It should be noted that President Trump, in his efforts “to drain the swamp,” has sacked several high-level State Department employees. Yet, President Trump recently confirmed that James Comey will stay on as FBI Director. In fact, Trump recently greeted Comey warmly at a White House reception, shaking the FBI director’s hand, patting him on the back and remarking, “He’s become more famous than me.”

As a postscript, Andrew Jackson and his supporters gained a measure of revenge by defeating Adams in the 1828 presidential election.

zico20
01-28-2017, 09:17 AM
“Corrupt Bargain!” a man shouted out. Others in the crowd picked up the chant: “Corrupt Bargain!” “Corrupt Bargain!” “Corrupt Bargain!”

It was late-February, 1825. Philadelphia, PA. Supporters of “Old Hickory,” “The Hero of New Orleans,” Andrew Jackson, were holding a rally. The meeting was being held to give those in attendance the chance to air their displeasure over the outcome of the Election of 1824. Supporters of Andrew Jackson believed that “shady politics” had cheated their candidate out of becoming President of the United States.

As we look back, that Election of 1824 is sometimes called “The Favorite Son” Election featured candidates from various parts of the country. The four major candidates were: Andrew Jackson, Tennessee; John Quincy Adams, Massachusetts; Henry Clay, Kentucky, and William Crawford, Georgia. All four candidates were part of what was then called the Democratic-Republican Party.

After the ballots were counted, Andrew Jackson had received the most votes, a plurality, but not a majority. Jackson garnered 99 electoral votes (he also had a plurality in the popular-vote count) out of 261 electoral votes that were cast. Then came John Quincy Adams with 84 votes, William Crawford had 41 votes and Henry Clay brought up the rear with 37 electoral votes.

As no one candidate received a majority of the Electoral College votes, the Constitution (Amendment XII) dictated that there by a run-off election from the top three candidates with the U.S. House of Representatives deciding the outcome. Thus, Henry Clay, “The Great Compromiser,” was the 4th man out.

So, it was now up to The House to decide who our next president would be. Each state – there were 24 states in The Union at that time – would have one vote. That vote for the president would be determined by how a majority of the representatives from each state in the House voted. For example, in Kentucky, Henry Clay’s home state, Adams received eight votes to Jackson’s four. Thus, Adams would get that one vote that the state of Kentucky would cast for the presidency. In the end, Adams, the son of our second President, received 13 votes, Jackson 7, and Crawford 4. John Adams became the 6th President of the United States.

After the outcome had been decided, but before the inauguration, then held in early March, supporters of Jackson began claiming “corrupt bargain”. The reason for their claim, though unsubstantiated, was that Clay used his influence as “The Candidate of the West” to get the then western states, like his home state of Kentucky, to vote for Adams in return for being appointed secretary of State (In those days, the position of Secretary of State was a “stepping stone” to the presidency; John Quincy Adams had served in that capacity before being elected president).

As we fast-forward to the present, we all know that Donald J. Trump received a majority of the electoral votes that were cast by the Electoral College and that he was duly elected and sworn in as our 45th President of the United States.

Yet, there are some, mostly Clinton supporters, who, in private conversations and through Internet postings, allege: “Corrupt Bargain”.

That’s brings us to our current FBI Director, James Comey. Comey, appointed by Barack Obama to head the FBI, is in his 4th year of a ten-year term (FBI directors serve at the pleasure of the president, yet they are rarely removed out of respect for the independence of that office).

Well, less than two weeks before the election, Comey revealed to Congress that a probe – originally dismissed in October for not having found incriminating information in a batch of Hillary Clinton’s emails – was back on.

When Comey announced that the probe of Secretary Clinton’s emails was to be resumed, Democrats excoriated the FBI Director for violating long-standing Justice Department policies about taking overt steps in an investigation so close to the day when voters would go to the polls. Although Comey “walked back” his allegations just before the election, the damage had been done.

Only a month earlier, the then candidate-Trump implied that Comey was corrupt for saying publicly that the bureau had not found anything incriminating.

As in the election of 1824, nothing had been clearly defined or deliniated as for the reason the action was taken. Yet, the fact that it took place so close to Election Day is puzzling. There are those who are calling for a review. Something Comey says he welcomes. And yes, it will be James Comey, as FBI Director, who will likely be taking a leading role in the investigation on alleged Russian hacking.

It should be noted that President Trump, in his efforts “to drain the swamp,” has sacked several high-level State Department employees. Yet, President Trump recently confirmed that James Comey will stay on as FBI Director. In fact, Trump recently greeted Comey warmly at a White House reception, shaking the FBI director’s hand, patting him on the back and remarking, “He’s become more famous than me.”

As a postscript, Andrew Jackson and his supporters gained a measure of revenge by defeating Adams in the 1828 presidential election.

A president should sack high level employees if they are opposed to his administration, that's common sense. At least now you admit that Trump has common sense. There is hope for you yet! ;)

If Trump believes Comey is the best man for the job then he should stay on, no matter who appointed him. This shows Trump will keep the right people regardless of party affiliation. Another positive.

The electoral college is all that matters. Jackson won the electoral college but lost the presidency. Hillary lost the electoral college and lost the presidency. You are comparing apples to oranges with this corrupt bargain theme. Try again.

johnhannibalsmith
01-28-2017, 09:30 AM
Poor Comey, he's either a Hillary sycophant or a Donald plant, depending on what he says and does from week to week. Or maybe the problem is everyone else.

Tom
01-28-2017, 09:57 AM
I thought this was another pro-Obama-care thread.

Clocker
01-28-2017, 10:26 AM
Poor Comey, he's either a Hillary sycophant or a Donald plant, depending on what he says and does from week to week. Or maybe the problem is everyone else.

Nobody likes or trusts him. That makes him OK in my book. :cool:

Clocker
01-28-2017, 03:43 PM
“Corrupt Bargain!” a man shouted out. Others in the crowd picked up the chant: “Corrupt Bargain!” “Corrupt Bargain!” “Corrupt Bargain!”

What happened in the Adams-Jackson election is well documented.

There is zero documentation of Comey's "role" in this election having any impact, other than timing and the shotgun approach of Hillary and the DNC to blame her loss on anything and everything except the candidate and the campaign.

Comey's impact on the election is way down the list of conspiracy theories and mud-slinging. According to this little recalibration of history, months and months of accusations and hearings and arguments about the bathroom server had no impact on the election, nor did any of Hillary's other issues, but one little announcement by Comey turned the whole thing on its head.

P.S. If I was in Comey's position, I don't think I would consider being FBI Director under Trump to be a plum assignment. I'd guess he is going to be buried under a flood of tweets about what he should be doing. I'd be looking for big bucks in the private sector soon.

davew
01-28-2017, 04:56 PM
Is James Comey a Russian sympathizer like John Brennan?

Is there a long-standing policy about people talking to the Attorney General about an on-going case under investigation? or is it different if you were the president that nominated her for US Attorney for Eastern District of New York?