Trump compares nsa,cia, fbi tactics to Nazi’s

[formula_2002]

Trump compares nsa, cia, fbi, tactics to Nazi’s

Article from the internet

“A few hours after President-elect Donald Trump repeated his accusation that the American intelligence community was using tactics from “Nazi Germany” to undermine his legitimacy, leaders of the NSA, CIA, FBI, and Office of the Director of National Intelligence finalized meetings to brief both houses of Congress starting tomorrow on their findings about Russian interference in the presidential election.”

Here is part of another article I pulled down off of the internet

“When Hitler’s party won influence in Parliament, and even after he was made chancellor of Germany in 1933 – about a year and a half before seizing dictatorial power – many American press outlets judged that he would either be outplayed by more traditional politicians or that he would have to become more moderate. Sure, he had a following, but his followers were “impressionable voters” duped by “radical doctrines and quack remedies,” claimed The Washington Post. Now that Hitler actually had to operate within a government the “sober” politicians would “submerge” this movement, according to The New York Times and Christian Science Monitor. A “keen sense of dramatic instinct” was not enough. When it came to time to govern, his lack of “gravity” and “profundity of thought” would be exposed.”

It was also reported regarding Trump presidency , Pope Francis said "wait and see"..
Having been in construction in NY CITY for 60 years and worked on major building projects, including one of his, I'm very familiar with the building owner, construction manager mentality. What is good for getting buildings built may not be the same as building a country.

I will wait and see.

[davew]

The most transparent presidency ever (0bamas) politicized many government departments through their appointed leadership. Once that swamp gets cleared (with their upper disciples), these departments will go back to running the way they should.

[ElKabong]

Trump compares nsa, cia, fbi, tactics to Nazi’s

Article from the internet

“A few hours after President-elect Donald Trump repeated his accusation that the American intelligence community was using tactics from “Nazi Germany” to undermine his legitimacy, leaders of the NSA, CIA, FBI, and Office of the Director of National Intelligence finalized meetings to brief both houses of Congress starting tomorrow on their findings about Russian interference in the presidential election.”

Here is part of another article I pulled down off of the internet

“When Hitler’s party won influence in Parliament, and even after he was made chancellor of Germany in 1933 – about a year and a half before seizing dictatorial power – many American press outlets judged that he would either be outplayed by more traditional politicians or that he would have to become more moderate. Sure, he had a following, but his followers were “impressionable voters” duped by “radical doctrines and quack remedies,” claimed The Washington Post. Now that Hitler actually had to operate within a government the “sober” politicians would “submerge” this movement, according to The New York Times and Christian Science Monitor. A “keen sense of dramatic instinct” was not enough. When it came to time to govern, his lack of “gravity” and “profundity of thought” would be exposed.”

It was also reported regarding Trump presidency , Pope Francis said "wait and see"..
Having been in construction in NY CITY for 60 years and worked on major building projects, including one of his, I'm very familiar with the building owner, construction manager mentality. What is good for getting buildings built may not be the same as building a country.

I will wait and see.

My original thought was to comment that ... Dogs bark, while the train rolls on.

But Mr formula, you do need to provide a link for these articles you posted of, right? Could you provide those? That way we can see if it's a one sided, partisan piece or a non biased article

[jk3521]

My original thought was to comment that ... Dogs bark, while the train rolls on.

But Mr formula, you do need to provide a link for these articles you posted of, right? Could you provide those? That way we can see if it's a one sided, partisan piece or a non biased article

There is no such thing as "a non-biased " anything any longer.

[ElKabong]

There is no such thing as "a non-biased " anything any longer.

I'd almost agree. For some good, non biased interviews go to kera.org and listen to some archives from the program called Think.... It's our local npr station, I've listened to kris Boyd for a long, long time, still don't know if she's liberal or conservative. Her work doesn't lend to either side. Rare these days to see that

[formula_2002]

My original thought was to comment that ... Dogs bark, while the train rolls on.

But Mr formula, you do need to provide a link for these articles you posted of, right? Could you provide those? That way we can see if it's a one sided, partisan piece or a non biased article


No and no.

[ElKabong]

No and no.

You must be a big fan of msnbc and CNN then :)

[Tom]

I was thinking he made it up.
Or he pulled it down from michaelmoore.com or madonnasucks.com

[ElKabong]

I was thinking he made it up.
Or he pulled it down from michaelmoore.com or madonnasucks.com

Without a link, one would come to that conclusion.

[EasyGoer89]

Trump compares nsa, cia, fbi, tactics to Nazi’s

Article from the internet

“A few hours after President-elect Donald Trump repeated his accusation that the American intelligence community was using tactics from “Nazi Germany” to undermine his legitimacy, leaders of the NSA, CIA, FBI, and Office of the Director of National Intelligence finalized meetings to brief both houses of Congress starting tomorrow on their findings about Russian interference in the presidential election.”

Here is part of another article I pulled down off of the internet

“When Hitler’s party won influence in Parliament, and even after he was made chancellor of Germany in 1933 – about a year and a half before seizing dictatorial power – many American press outlets judged that he would either be outplayed by more traditional politicians or that he would have to become more moderate. Sure, he had a following, but his followers were “impressionable voters” duped by “radical doctrines and quack remedies,” claimed The Washington Post. Now that Hitler actually had to operate within a government the “sober” politicians would “submerge” this movement, according to The New York Times and Christian Science Monitor. A “keen sense of dramatic instinct” was not enough. When it came to time to govern, his lack of “gravity” and “profundity of thought” would be exposed.”

It was also reported regarding Trump presidency , Pope Francis said "wait and see"..
Having been in construction in NY CITY for 60 years and worked on major building projects, including one of his, I'm very familiar with the building owner, construction manager mentality. What is good for getting buildings built may not be the same as building a country.

I will wait and see.

'Article from the Internet'

Aka Fake News

[rastajenk]

Sounds like Dan Rather. Or Bill Moyers. Or Robert Reich. Or any of a hundred other Hitler-invoking essays: supposedly smart people taking the easy way instead of engaging in some serious analysis, almost like sipping pina coladas on the beach while others do some heavier lifting.

[formula_2002]

Like I said, i'll wait and see.

[formula_2002]

Trump takes away FHA mortgage insurance premium cut not long after being sworn into office
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/where-we-live/wp/2017/01/20/trump-takes-away-fha-mortgage-insurance-premium-cut-not-long-after-being-sworn-into-office/?utm_term=.fc2a15bb9414

[xtb]

Trump takes away FHA mortgage insurance premium cut not long after being sworn into office


What short memories some people have.

[formula_2002]

Trump halts hiring of federal workers, freezes pay raises
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-halts-hiring-of-federal-workers-freezes-pay-raises/ar-AAm8QWN?ocid=spartandhp
in the article, it's mention that trump did this to eliminate corruption .
This is due process?

Due process, Look it up

[PaceAdvantage]

Due process? :lol:

That only applies to legal matters, both civil and criminal proceedings...but nice try.

Halting of hiring and freezing of wages does not due process apply...

[formula_2002]

Due process? :lol:

That only applies to legal matters, both civil and criminal proceedings...but nice try.

Halting of hiring and freezing of wages does not due process apply...

how about accusing some one as being corrupt?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/due_process

[PaceAdvantage]

how about accusing some one as being corrupt?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/due_processI think the evidence that corruption exists within the Federal Government is pretty overwhelming and easy to prove.

BTW, have you accused Trump of being corrupt? :lol:

[formula_2002]

I think the evidence that corruption exists within the Federal Government is pretty overwhelming and easy to prove.

BTW, have you accused Trump of being corrupt? :lol:

Easy or not , it needs to be done.

Accused Trump of being corrupt? Not without evidence.. That's above my pay grade.

[Clocker]

Due process, Look it up

Wiki:

The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution each contain a Due Process Clause. Due process deals with the administration of justice and thus the Due Process Clause acts as a safeguard from arbitrary denial of life, liberty, or property by the Government outside the sanction of law.

So if I want to apply for a job with the federal government, but they say they are not hiring right now, that is a denial of my rights to life, liberty or property?

[formula_2002]

Wiki:



So if I want to apply for a job with the federal government, but they say they are not hiring right now, that is a denial of my rights to life, liberty or property?


Well, I would say yes, because without the proof of the accusation (corruption). It would seem to me to be ARBITARY.

ARBITARY
1. Determined by chance, whim, or impulse, and not by necessity, reason, or principle

[burnsy]

He's kind of "right on " with the NSA. Talk about "arbitrary", they track whoever they please without real legal authority. You know, tapping phones and E mails and massing huge data bases. Its not Nazi, its 1984 like. Why? Because the majority thinks this sort of behavior "makes them safe". The people that speak against this or reveal this are branded "traitors" and suddenly disappear or run for their lives. Welcome to George Orwell's visionary suckers......I know I feel way more secure......... ;)

[formula_2002]

He's kind of "right on " with the NSA. Talk about "arbitrary", they track whoever they please without real legal authority. You know, tapping phones and E mails and massing huge data bases. Its not Nazi, its 1984 like. Why? Because the majority thinks this sort of behavior "makes them safe". The people that speak against this or reveal this are branded "traitors" and suddenly disappear or run for their lives. Welcome to George Orwell's visionary suckers......I know I feel way more secure......... ;)
The first question I have, is this, are they operating within the law.
If they are and you don't like the law, there is a process to change it. Go for it. Make it happen

[burnsy]

The first question I have, is this, are they operating within the law.
If they are and you don't like the law, there is a process to change it. Go for it. Make it happen


Who knows when its all a big secret? That's the point, and if anyone reveals the "big secret" they are threatened as traitors. Then, the Govt. says there are "whistle blower" protections in place......yeah ok, what person with half a brain will gamble on that one?

You are joking right?

People really need to forget the "law" and learn some ethics or right from wrong.......or even better yet actually read the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. That would be a start. Of course it may be written into law, but its against the nature of our being. We can be like every other tin pan, piss pot dictatorship that we spend trillions on telling everyone we are saving them from that, for their own good , no less.

We are going to save ourselves and the world by being Big Brother, I'm sure that was the true intention of our country being........Says the "Law"...... :lol: :lol: :lol:

[formula_2002]

Trump signs executive order withdrawing US from Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/01/23/trump-signs-order-withdrawing-u-s-from-trans-pacific-trade-deal/21660877/

this may be a good deal. make deals with bilaterally, rather than unilaterally.

sounds like a plan.. this may tap one of his abilities (art of the deal). But it's not just business, it's also world politics.

[formula_2002]

H.R.193 - American Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2017

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/193

Not a good idea. If you don't like the UN, make it better don't kill it.

[fast4522]

H.R.193 - American Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2017

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/193

Not a good idea. If you don't like the UN, make it better don't kill it.


At a very minimum, the UN needs to retract the last action against Israel. Personally I would prefer the UN be moved to Venezuela.

[formula_2002]

Trump admin orders EPA contract freeze and media blackout

Where is all this going .I'm sure we all want to know and if we don't like it, too late.
these guys and gals can not be recalled. He may be draining the swamp, but I'm afraid he is putting rocks into a glass jar and shaking until done.

[woodtoo]

I think you answered your own question.

[formula_2002]

Trump to seek 'major investigation' on voter fraud in 2016 election

Double Down POTUS.!!

[davew]

Trump admin orders EPA contract freeze and media blackout

Where is all this going .I'm sure we all want to know and if we don't like it, too late.
these guys and gals can not be recalled. He may be draining the swamp, but I'm afraid he is putting rocks into a glass jar and shaking until done.

The government employees that are politicized will be fired, that is where it is going. Employees need to do what their employers want them to do, not what they want to do.

[formula_2002]

"US no longer a 'full democracy,' but it's not Trump's fault: Report"

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/01/25/us-no-longer-a-full-democracy-but-its-not-trumps-fault-rep/21662629/

[formula_2002]

The government employees that are politicized will be fired, that is where it is going. Employees need to do what their employers want them to do, not what they want to do.

where's the evidence?

[formula_2002]

Potus is giving me a lot of work.

now I have to find what are the grounds for determining which cities shield immigrants.

"President Donald Trump signed directives on Wednesday to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexican border and strip funding from cities that shield illegal immigrants as he charged ahead with sweeping and divisive plans to transform how the United States deals with immigration and national security."

this may be a good place to start.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2016/08/doj-rewards-law-breaking-sanctuary-cities-states-342-mil-grants/

[davew]

where's the evidence?

It is a trap, he will not put up with stuff like people invoking the 5th to Congress inquiries - jobs will be lost. Just like when he had a meeting with the national security group to see where the leak to the press was coming from. None of his crew knew he was going, it was from the security group telling the press secrets... now many will be gone.

[formula_2002]

Trump is going to be on ABC 10 pm 1-25-2017.

[Robert Fischer]

what's up with EVERYTHING drawing comparisons to 'NAZI Germany'

both parties

then you have an individual or a party member use the analogy in their argument, ... a week passes and they are deeply offended at the use as analogy by a rival...


I know it's the social media age, but I guess anything and everything is acceptable...

[Tom]

More impact than calling them Srilankans.

[Robert Fischer]

More impact than calling them Srilankans.

Srilankans?

how dare you

[formula_2002]

PER POTUS

"The U.S. has a 60 billion dollar trade deficit with Mexico. It has been a one-sided deal from the beginning of NAFTA with massive numbers... of jobs and companies lost. If Mexico is unwilling to pay for the badly needed wall, then it would be better to cancel the upcoming meeting," Trump said on Twitter.

[formula_2002]

More impact than calling them Srilankans.
WHAT AM I MISSING HERE?

"Sri Lanka (/sriː ˈlɑːŋkə, -ˈlæŋkə/ or Listeni/ʃriː-/;[6][7] Sinhalese: ශ්*රී ලංකා Śrī Laṃkā, Tamil: இலங்கை Ilaṅkai), officially the Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka (formerly known as Ceylon), is an island country in South Asia near south-east India. Sri Lanka has maritime borders with India to the northwest and the Maldives to the southwest.

Sri Lanka's documented history spans 3,000 years, with evidence of pre-historic human settlements dating back to at least 125,000 years.[8] Its geographic location and deep harbours made it of great strategic importance from the time of the ancient Silk Road[9] through to World War II.[10] Sri Lanka was known from the beginning of British colonial rule until 1972 as Ceylon (/sᵻˈlɒn, seɪ-, siː-/). Sri Lanka's recent history has been marred by a thirty-year civil war which decisively ended when the Sri Lankan military defeated the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) in 2009.[11]

A diverse and multicultural country, Sri Lanka is home to many religions, ethnic groups, and languages.[12] In addition to the majority Sinhalese, it is home to large groups of Sri Lankan and Indian Tamils, Moors, Burghers, Malays, Kaffirs and the aboriginal Vedda.[13] Sri Lanka has a rich Buddhist heritage, and the first known Buddhist writings of Sri Lanka, the Pāli Canon, date back to the Fourth Buddhist council in 29 BC.[14][15]

Sri Lanka is a republic and a unitary state governed by a semi-presidential system. The legislative capital, Sri Jayawardenepura Kotte, is a suburb of the commercial capital and largest city, Colombo."

Sri Lanka has had a long history of international engagement, as a founding member of the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC), and a member of the United Nations, the Commonwealth of Nations, the G77, and the Non-Aligned Movement. Along with the Maldives, Sri Lanka is one of the two countries in South Asia that are currently rated among high human development on the Human Development Index

[Clocker]

Employees need to do what their employers want them to do, not what they want to do.

...on the employer's time and the employer's dime.

I have seen nothing to indicate that EPA employees are being forbidden to use social media for personal matters. They are just forbidden to make statements or comments about policy while speaking as EPA representatives or while using EPA facilities.

Gee, that never happens in the private sector, does it? :rolleyes:

[Clocker]

WHAT AM I MISSING HERE?

The point? :p

[Greyfox]

WHAT AM I MISSING HERE?



Tamil Tiger Terrorists.

http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1869501,00.html

[Tom]

WHAT AM I MISSING HERE?


The joke.

[HalvOnHorseracing]

PER POTUS

"The U.S. has a 60 billion dollar trade deficit with Mexico. It has been a one-sided deal from the beginning of NAFTA with massive numbers... of jobs and companies lost. If Mexico is unwilling to pay for the badly needed wall, then it would be better to cancel the upcoming meeting," Trump said on Twitter.
How is the trade deficit calculated? Is it based on the value of the finished goods that are shipped to the United States? How much of the trade deficit is due to oil imports?

Say Ford has a plant in Monterrey. When they ship the finished car to the U.S., does the value of the whole car count toward the deficit? And doesn't Ford here in the U.S. get all the profit once the car is sold? Doesn't Mexico only "make" whatever was spent on the labor to assemble the car or whichever parts are fabricated in Mexico? If the factories moved back to the U.S., wouldn't Ford make less on the car because of the increased labor cost unless they raised the price of the car?

What is it that Trump wants to change in NAFTA? United States exports to Mexico are now 3.5 times their 1993 level when adjusted for inflation. They have risen more than twice as fast as the overall economy. What concessions will the United States offer to Mexico to compensate Mexico for any concessions they make? Does anybody actually expect maquiladora plants to shut down an move to the U.S.?

[Clocker]

PER POTUS

"The U.S. has a 60 billion dollar trade deficit with Mexico.

Why is that a bad thing? It means that American citizens are choosing to buy stuff from Mexico because they feel that is in their best interests. It's called free choice.

Take a look at the produce section of the supermarket next time you are there. A lot of that stuff would not be there if Mexico didn't provide it. And if it was there, most Americans could not afford it. And the American jobs shipping and selling that stuff here would not exist.

I have a severe balance of trade deficit with a large discount liquor store near me. I spend money with them and they spend nothing with me. I'm happy and they are happy with the arrangement. So what?

[formula_2002]

Why is that a bad thing? It means that American citizens are choosing to buy stuff from Mexico because they feel that is in their best interests. It's called free choice.

Take a look at the produce section of the supermarket next time you are there. A lot of that stuff would not be there if Mexico didn't provide it. And if it was there, most Americans could not afford it. And the American jobs shipping and selling that stuff here would not exist.

I have a severe balance of trade deficit with a large discount liquor store near me. I spend money with them and they spend nothing with me. I'm happy and they are happy with the arrangement. So what?


60 billion to you and me may seem a lot, but I would want to know what is that in percentage terms. And I would want to know how that percentage relates to all our other trading partners.
a billion here, a billion there, pretty soon your not talking about much (a play on Everett Dirksen's long ago comment)

[Marshall Bennett]

what's up with EVERYTHING drawing comparisons to 'NAZI Germany'

both parties

then you have an individual or a party member use the analogy in their argument, ... a week passes and they are deeply offended at the use as analogy by a rival...


I know it's the social media age, but I guess anything and everything is acceptable...
Most haven't a clue about history related to Nazi Germany.

[davew]

60 billion to you and me may seem a lot, but I would want to know what is that in percentage terms. And I would want to know how that percentage relates to all our other trading partners.
a billion here, a billion there, pretty soon your not talking about much (a play on Everett Dirksen's long ago comment)

The latest report (for Nov 2016 and year to date)

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/Press-Release/current_press_release/exh4s.pdf

[formula_2002]

The latest report (for Nov 2016 and year to date)

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/Press-Release/current_press_release/exh4s.pdf
that's wonderful.. thanks
I need to give it a good look.

I went to the home web site and see I can download data as a csv file..just great

[formula_2002]

potus

tear down this wall.
learn how to play together.
you are not dealing with your sub-contractors

[formula_2002]

I'm think potus would throw USA under the bus to maintain his programs.
we only have congress, the supreme court and the majority of Americans to keep him check. YOUR GODS NEEDS TO HELP US BEFORE THEY CAN BLESS US

[Tom]

I'm think potus would throw USA under the bus to maintain his programs.
we only have congress, the supreme court and the majority of Americans to keep him check. YOUR GODS NEEDS TO HELP US BEFORE THEY CAN BLESS US

That is a hell of a lot more than we had when Obama DID throw us under a bus.
Some would say Trump IS our blessing.

[formula_2002]

That is a hell of a lot more than we had when Obama DID throw us under a bus.
Some would say Trump IS our blessing.
I know.
dig out your bomb shelter.


In one of three executive actions Saturday, President Trump reshuffled*the National Security Council to include his chief strategist, Stephen Bannon, and limited the roles of the director of national intelligence and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
The memorandum makes the chief strategist a regular attendee of the principals committee,*the Cabinet-level interagency forum that deals with policy issues affecting national security. For Bannon,*the Washington outsider who ran the conservative website Breitbart News, it's another area of federal government in which he will have influence.
The Trump strategist is already considered a controversial choice for chief strategist because of Breitbart News's tendency to cater to white nationalists and previous comments he's made (i.e. "turn on the hate").
The memo also stated that the director of national intelligence and the chairman of the Join Chiefs of Staff will attend the principals committee meetings when issues related to their responsibilities are needed. According to The Hill, both officials have been regular attendees to principals committee meetings.
You can read the full memo here.

[Tom]

You need to put on your big boy pants.

[woodtoo]

I know.
dig out your bomb shelter.


In one of three executive actions Saturday, President Trump reshuffled*the National Security Council to include his chief strategist, Stephen Bannon, and limited the roles of the director of national intelligence and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
The memorandum makes the chief strategist a regular attendee of the principals committee,*the Cabinet-level interagency forum that deals with policy issues affecting national security. For Bannon,*the Washington outsider who ran the conservative website Breitbart News, it's another area of federal government in which he will have influence.
The Trump strategist is already considered a controversial choice for chief strategist because of Breitbart News's tendency to cater to white nationalists and previous comments he's made (i.e. "turn on the hate").
The memo also stated that the director of national intelligence and the chairman of the Join Chiefs of Staff will attend the principals committee meetings when issues related to their responsibilities are needed. According to The Hill, both officials have been regular attendees to principals committee meetings.
You can read the full memo here.
An airport is calling for you. Go raise some hell.

[formula_2002]

i'd like to see some
documented reporting on the positive aspects of potus posted here.

[formula_2002]

i'd like to see some
documented reporting on the positive aspects of potus posted here.
"___________________"

[Tom]

So far, he is 100% on target to make America great again.

And, he is making the left go bonkers and that is hilarious to watch them make total fools out of themselves. :lol: :lol:

[formula_2002]

So far, he is 100% on target to make America great again.

And, he is making the left go bonkers and that is hilarious to watch them make total fools out of themselves. :lol: :lol:
I'll give you this much. Anyone who voted for him should be please

This could take several life times to correct.
then again perhaps a few weeks.
It starts when the congressional republicans get a back bone.

[davew]

I'll give you this much. Anyone who voted for him should be please

This could take several life times to correct.
then again perhaps a few weeks.
It starts when the congressional republicans get a back bone.

Congress is too busy listening to speeches (written by aides) by people in Congress about why they do (or do not) like ????? for the position of ?????

[PaceAdvantage]

I'll give you this much. Anyone who voted for him should be please

This could take several life times to correct.
then again perhaps a few weeks.
It starts when the congressional republicans get a back bone.Correct what, exactly?

Man, if Republicans had run around like little ninnies screaming the sky is falling with every breath Obama took (like you guys are doing with Trump), there would have been some bruhaha on this board about how we're all racists....wait a second...Republicans didn't complain half as much or half as intently as the LIMITED number of liberals still with the balls to post around here, and we were called racists left or right if we criticized even one little thing about Obama.

There is nothing to correct thus far...except for some of Obama's more ridiculous policies and EOs.

[formula_2002]

More than the sky is falling.

Trump's chief strategist Steve Bannon: 'No doubt' the US will be at war with China in the next few years

Brannon knows Trump is mad.
However china will probably not go war. They own too much of us. It's potus who will strike the first blow

I'll give these guys less than a year before they start to call up the draft.

[formula_2002]

I understand that some people who voted for Trump, don't find the need to see his tax returns, but the majority of Americans do'
He's hiding his very soul

[davew]

More than the sky is falling.

Trump's chief strategist Steve Bannon: 'No doubt' the US will be at war with China in the next few years

Brannon knows Trump is mad.
However china will probably not go war. They own too much of us. It's potus who will strike the first blow

I'll give these guys less than a year before they start to call up the draft.


It is difficult to listen to a realist after so many years of listening to lying optimists. 'Hope and Change'

http://drrichswier.com/wp-content/uploads/obama-hope-and-change-e1429878120202.jpg

[PaceAdvantage]

More than the sky is falling.

Trump's chief strategist Steve Bannon: 'No doubt' the US will be at war with China in the next few years

Brannon knows Trump is mad.
However china will probably not go war. They own too much of us. It's potus who will strike the first blow

I'll give these guys less than a year before they start to call up the draft.I'll hold you to that, and predict you'll be dead wrong, just like most of the people who have made predictions about Trump these past two years.

[PaceAdvantage]

I understand that some people who voted for Trump, don't find the need to see his tax returns, but the majority of Americans do'
He's hiding his very soulThat's deep man.

Ever look at your own tax returns? If you showed them to me, what exactly do you think I'd learn about you, except for how much money you've made?

There is nothing illegal on his tax returns...that much we know. Obama would have had the IRS put him on trial before the election if that were true.

So....what exactly do you think we'll learn? The he give more/less to charity than has been reported? That he has massive tax shelters in place? Oh my...what a shocker that would be...

We already know he took a huge loss and that has carried over multiple years such that he hasn't had to pay much in income taxes...but you or I would do the same exact thing if we were in his position...you'd be an irresponsible fool to both yourself and your business if you didn't.

So what exactly do you think will be the big reveal...we all know what goes on a tax return...do you think there will be some big, bright, Russian flag on his tax return, and right under that a picture of Putin with a heart and arrows drawn for good measure? :rolleyes:

[formula_2002]

That's deep man.

Ever look at your own tax returns? If you showed them to me, what exactly do you think I'd learn about you, except for how much money you've made?

There is nothing illegal on his tax returns...that much we know. Obama would have had the IRS put him on trial before the election if that were true.

So....what exactly do you think we'll learn? The he give more/less to charity than has been reported? That he has massive tax shelters in place? Oh my...what a shocker that would be...

We already know he took a huge loss and that has carried over multiple years such that he hasn't had to pay much in income taxes...but you or I would do the same exact thing if we were in his position...you'd be an irresponsible fool to both yourself and your business if you didn't.

So what exactly do you think will be the big reveal...we all know what goes on a tax return...do you think there will be some big, bright, Russian flag on his tax return, and right under that a picture of Putin with a heart and arrows drawn for good measure? :rolleyes:

Who is he indebted to and who is indebted to him.
Trump requires to be loved and admired. If he thought releasing his tax return would garner this love he would jump on it

Currently we are at peace in the homeland and he is creating stress for everyone. Once we hit a bump in the road, he will bring this country to a constitutional crisis . I'm for change but not his way. He is too disruptive

[PaceAdvantage]

Who is he indebted to and who is indebted to him.I'm not familiar with any IRS form that requires you to list individual debts. Maybe that's a form for billionaires that I am not aware of...if so, I plead ignorance.

Maybe AndyC (CPA and resident tax expert) can help fill in the blanks here.

[Tom]

I understand that some people who voted for Trump, don't find the need to see his tax returns, but the majority of Americans do'
He's hiding his very soul

I bet that not many give a crap about his returns.
Most would not understand them anyways.

[Tom]

Who is he indebted to and who is indebted to him.
Trump requires to be loved and admired. If he thought releasing his tax return would garner this love he would jump on it

Currently we are at peace in the homeland and he is creating stress for everyone. Once we hit a bump in the road, he will bring this country to a constitutional crisis . I'm for change but not his way. He is too disruptive

Care to point out what lines in the tax form have this info on them?

Stress for everyone - blatantly false - many of us are wetting ourselves laughing!:lol:

[AndyC]

I'm not familiar with any IRS form that requires you to list individual debts. Maybe that's a form for billionaires that I am not aware of...if so, I plead ignorance.

Maybe AndyC (CPA and resident tax expert) can help fill in the blanks here.

If Trump loaned money to anyone personally (not through an LLC, corporation, or partnership) the interest income would be itemized on Schedule B.

If Trump had personal loans (not loans to his business entities) they would only be disclosed on a personal tax return if they were loans on his personal residence. And by personal loans, I mean loans from an individual, not a business, bank, trust, corporation, etc.

In short, by releasing his personal returns very little would be learned about who he owes and who owes him. What it would do is create a firestorm for him to release all of his business tax returns.

[formula_2002]

the previous answer seems to be responsible.
Just a small indication of what the feds may need to know to put out the firestorm

https://apps.irs.gov/app/picklist/list/formsPublications.html;jsessionid=6FgLM-5GGSOjsnr5ovjB7Q__?indexOfFirstRow=25&sortColumn=sortOrder&value=&criteria=&resultsPerPage=25&isDescending=false

[formula_2002]

Care to point out what lines in the tax form have this info on them?

Stress for everyone - blatantly false - many of us are wetting ourselves laughing!:lol:
Somewhere in here
https://apps.irs.gov/app/picklist/list/formsPublications.html;jsessionid=6FgLM-5GGSOjsnr5ovjB7Q__?indexOfFirstRow=25&sortColumn=sortOrder&value=&criteria=&resultsPerPage=25&isDescending=false

[AndyC]

Somewhere in here
https://apps.irs.gov/app/picklist/list/formsPublications.html;jsessionid=6FgLM-5GGSOjsnr5ovjB7Q__?indexOfFirstRow=25&sortColumn=sortOrder&value=&criteria=&resultsPerPage=25&isDescending=false

In short, you have no clue. The answer isn't in the IRS publications.

[formula_2002]

In short, you have no clue. The answer isn't in the IRS publications.
insofar as my need to know where the money comes from and where it goes.,l have no doubt I'm correct.
Each line of a tax return is subject to intensive interrogation.
I don't care if he files a 1040ez, 1040,1120s or any other tax form. We need to follow the money

[Clocker]

I don't care if he files a 1040ez, 1040,1120s or any other tax form. We need to follow the money

If, hypothetically, there was something shady going on in a subsidiary of a subsidiary of a subsidiary of a company that Trump received income from, do you really believe that would be something you could track on his personal return? :D

Be honest. All you want to see is the bottom line, to be waved in the air as proof of obscene income inequality. Which we already know as fact. :rolleyes:

[formula_2002]

If, hypothetically, there was something shady going on in a subsidiary of a subsidiary of a subsidiary of a company that Trump received income from, do you really believe that would be something you could track on his personal return? :D

Be honest. All you want to see is the bottom line, to be waved in the air as proof of obscene income inequality. Which we already know as fact. :rolleyes:
I have a chapter s corporation, my children have their own corporations.
I don't care how much potus has. I have even helped him building one of his high rise NYC buildings.
I want everyone to have the success I have had, but as a businessman, I'm concerned when people, especially pouts are not forthright. I need to trust people around me, and a name calling bully who creates alternate facts, tear apart two judicial judges and insults hard working media people. has not gained my trust

[AndyC]

I have a chapter s corporation, my children have their own corporations.
I don't care how much potus has. I have even helped him building one of his high rise NYC buildings.
I want everyone to have the success I have had, but as a businessman, I'm concerned when people, especially pouts are not forthright. I need to trust people around me, and a name calling bully who creates alternate facts, tear apart two judicial judges and insults hard working media people. has not gained my trust

So do you get tax returns from everybody you do business with?

[formula_2002]

So do you get tax returns from everybody you do business with?
No
But I need to keep my own general ledger

A general ledger is a company's set of numbered accounts for its accounting records. The ledger provides a complete record of financial transactions over the life of the company. The ledger holds account information that is needed to prepare financial statements and includes accounts for assets, liabilities, owners' equity, revenues and expenses.


Where are you going with this
IF you don't care how Trump earns and dispenses his money so be it.l do










































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[Tom]

insofar as my need to know where the money comes from and where it goes.,l have no doubt I'm correct.
Each line of a tax return is subject to intensive interrogation.
I don't care if he files a 1040ez, 1040,1120s or any other tax form. We need to follow the money

The IRS has already seen them, and they are happy.
You don't even know where to look at them if you had them. :lol::lol::lol:

[formula_2002]

As critics question President Donald Trump's Twitter habits, executive actions and press conferences, one Democratic lawmaker is proposing one potential solution.

Representative Ted Lieu of California says he plans to introduce a bill which would require a psychiatrist in the White House.

Lieu argues that in addition to having a regular physician, presidents should have access to mental health care -- given the strain of the job.

In an interview with the Huffington Post, Lieu said, "it is not normal for the President of the United States, within 24 hours, to write about death and destruction and fake news and evil. The most troubling aspect of this is it is very clear he has a disconnection from the truth."

[Clocker]

Representative Ted Lieu of California says he plans to introduce a bill which would require a psychiatrist in the White House.



What's the over/under on how long it would take Trump and Bannon to drive the shrink nuts? Two weeks? :jump:

[formula_2002]

What's the over/under on how long it would take Trump and Bannon to drive the shrink nuts? Two weeks? :jump:
we need to take that to a higher court...VEGAS

By the way if anyone can find a positive news reports about Trump, feel free to post it here

[jk3521]

By the way if anyone can find a positive news reports about Trump, feel free to post it here

How about this..?
http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/why-donald-trump-is-good-news-for-the-media-industry/news-story/4882642b8a0116d554600ec43558e6e8

[formula_2002]

How about this..?
http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/why-donald-trump-is-good-news-for-the-media-industry/news-story/4882642b8a0116d554600ec43558e6e8
how about something with regards to governing.
what you offer is theatrics..

[Clocker]

how about something with regards to governing.
what you offer is theatrics..

Obama was the game changer on that. There is no longer any difference.

[jk3521]

how about something with regards to governing.
what you offer is theatrics..

All right ! How about this... :p

http://trump.news/

And this... :p

http://www.mediafactwatch.com/

[formula_2002]

All right ! How about this... :p

http://trump.news/

And this... :p

http://www.mediafactwatch.com/
More theatrics
Show me news reports supporting his governance

[formula_2002]

“That makes me smart,” Mr. Trump said after Mrs. Clinton brought up how he had paid no taxes more than two decades ago. When she suggested that Mr. Trump was still paying no federal taxes, and had not done so for many years, Mr. Trump offered another retort: “It would be squandered, too, believe me.”
The above interchange gives me cause to ask the question,”why does the tax code favor those who are smart”
I can be very smart in my work and can be competitive.
But why must I suffer a disadvantage in my tax payments because I’m not as smart as Trump.
Tax payments should not be competitive; they should be fair, unbiased.
I need to be treated equally under the law.
Why am I required to bail out people who make unwise investments?
Why aren’t businesses subject to a stress test?

[AndyC]

[/B]The above interchange gives me cause to ask the question,”why does the tax code favor those who are smart”.....

In an effort to do social engineering via the tax code it has become so complex that, yes, you need to be smart to get the best result. Just the look at the requirements mandated by the ACA for individual filers. If it were a machine I am sure it would win a Rube Goldberg award.

[thaskalos]

Trump meant to say that the current tax laws MAKE him smart.

[Tom]

Rich, too. ;)

[formula_2002]

I just heard Trump's press conference with Japan's prime minister.
It's the best I have ever heard out of Trump.
Inclusion, common goals, working together for the common good and, he did not put people down.

if he can channel his efforts in this manner, and keep his facts straight, it would be a great help to all of us.

[PaceAdvantage]

Oy vey...

[dkithore]

More impact than calling them Srilankans.

Now that is witty.

[formula_2002]

The Senate voted Wednesday to nullify part of a gun control bill that keeps severely mentally ill people from buying guns. It'll head now to President Donald Trump, who is likely to sign it.

The rule, which was issued by the Obama administration, required the Social Security Administration to report the names of an estimated 75,000 people who are considered too mentally ill or otherwise unable to manage their own disability benefits to the national background check system that gun stores (but often not private sellers nor gun shows) must consult before selling a gun to someone. It went into effect in January of this year, and but didn't require compliance until December.
I'm flabbergasted another " show and tell_ hold up your homework children" for our commander in chief. If they can buy a gun perhaps they can serve as hall monitors and alike.

[Clocker]

The Senate voted Wednesday to nullify part of a gun control bill that keeps severely mentally ill people from buying guns. It'll head now to President Donald Trump, who is likely to sign it.



Wrong. The change does not allow severely mentally ill people to buy guns. The part being nullified would require Social Security to report to the FBI the names of any disability recipients who have other people manage their benefits due to any mental disorder. What could possibly go wrong?

Under the part being nullified, SSA would not have to determine that anyone they reported was dangerous or even potentially dangerous, and the person would have the burden of proof to get off the list of people denied gun ownership.

[formula_2002]

"The rule, which was issued by the Obama administration, required the Social Security Administration to report the names of an estimated 75,000 people who are considered too mentally ill or otherwise unable to manage their own disability benefits to the national background check system that gun stores (but often not private sellers nor....."
At the least,I would be concerned about that portion of the estimated 75000 that are too mentally ill .....

[Tom]

Too many people are watching Fake News.
The truth shall set you free.
The truth ain't on CNN.

[Clocker]

At the least,I would be concerned about that portion of the estimated 75000 that are too mentally ill .....

I would think that the doctors taking care of those people are the ones that should be concerned and making the determinations, not some bureaucratic paper pushers at the SSA.

As a reality check, do you really think that someone receiving SSA disability benefits and needing assistance in managing those benefits is going to hustle down to a gun show and spend the disability money on an assault rifle? And then do a drive-by shooting from his motorized wheel chair?

Do you really think that this is a problem? The only problem I see is over-reaching bureaucracy.

[formula_2002]

Too many people are watching Fake News.
The truth shall set you free.
The truth ain't on CNN.
I would like to see some of the news post you think accurate and meaningful that counter the postings of say CNN, NY times,Washington Post, etch.

[formula_2002]

I would think that the doctors taking care of those people are the ones that should be concerned and making the determinations, not some bureaucratic paper pushers at the SSA.

As a reality check, do you really think that someone receiving SSA disability benefits and needing assistance in managing those benefits is going to hustle down to a gun show and spend the disability money on an assault rifle? And then do a drive-by shooting from his motorized wheel chair?

Do you really think that this is a problem? The only problem I see is over-reaching bureaucracy.
You are making unrelated points. Support your original position "Wrong"

[formula_2002]

"Kellyanne Conway Banned From MSNBC's 'Morning Joe': 'She's Not Credible Anymore'"

I never thought she was, but I would rather hear her than not. she presents the mind set of her boss, potus

[davew]

"Kellyanne Conway Banned From MSNBC's 'Morning Joe': 'She's Not Credible Anymore'"

I never thought she was, but I would rather hear her than not. she presents the mind set of her boss, potus

It reminds me of this, but no sanctions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkJE0U8Qby4

[barahona44]

I would think that the doctors taking care of those people are the ones that should be concerned and making the determinations, not some bureaucratic paper pushers at the SSA.

As a reality check, do you really think that someone receiving SSA disability benefits and needing assistance in managing those benefits is going to hustle down to a gun show and spend the disability money on an assault rifle? And then do a drive-by shooting from his motorized wheel chair?

Do you really think that this is a problem? The only problem I see is over-reaching bureaucracy.
The majority of people with mental illness are not using wheelchairs.

[formula_2002]

It reminds me of this, but no sanctions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkJE0U8Qby4
I'm not sure where you going with this. what has that to do with the note you are responding too?

[Clocker]

The majority of people with mental illness are not using wheelchairs.

The majority of people with mental illness probably wouldn't recognize sarcasm either. :p

[formula_2002]

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[Tom]

"Kellyanne Conway Banned From MSNBC's 'Morning Joe': 'She's Not Credible Anymore'"

PMSNBC talking about credibility? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Goebbels had more credibility than PMSNBC has.
Baghdad Bob had more.

[Tom]

I would like to see some of the news post you think accurate and meaningful that counter the postings of say CNN, NY times,Washington Post, etch.

Watch FOX News. Not the talk shows, the news.
Shouldn't take you more than an hour.

[Clocker]

Watch FOX News. Not the talk shows, the news.


You spoke too soon.

Shortly after the press conference, FOX News anchor Shepard Smith hit back hard. "It's crazy what we're watching every day, it's absolutely crazy. He keeps repeating ridiculous throw away lines that are not true at all and sort of avoiding this issue of Russia as if we're some kind of fools for asking the question," said Smith.

[Tom]

When I speak of FOX, I don't mean Smith, Kelly of Williams.
They are there for comic relief.
Shep belongs on CNN.

Williams belongs in an unemployment line.

[TJDave]

Shep belongs on CNN.

Is that because he's gay?

[formula_2002]

"Barack Obama apparently ranks pretty well as far as U.S. presidents go.

The former commander in chief came in 12th on C-SPAN's 2017 Presidential Historians Survey. Obama scored particularly well in pursuing "equal justice for all."

SEE MORE: Former President Obama Is Living His Best Life Without Us

C-SPAN has conducted the survey twice before — in 2000 and in 2009. The results are based on feedback from nationally recognized historians and a list of presidential leadership qualities.

Those qualities include things like public persuasion, economic management and international relations. Each president is rated on a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the best.

This year, 91 historians took part in the poll.

The findings might not come as a surprise. When Obama left the White House, the U.S. was — for the most part — in better shape than when he got in."

[Tom]

Is that because he's gay?

No, because he is a jerk.

[Tom]

This year, 91 historians took part in the poll.

All I can say is.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[formula_2002]

All I can say is.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
9 less than members of the senate.
can this poll be counter by one you know of

[Tom]

Yeah, the people who vote NO to OBama's policies and asked Trump to make America Great Again.

What relevance do 91 un-average people have to anything?

[PaceAdvantage]

Is that because he's gay?Yes, that's exactly it. :rolleyes:

[TJDave]

Yes, that's exactly it. :rolleyes:
Thought so.

[PaceAdvantage]

Thought so.You would.

[TJDave]

Meaning what?

[Tom]

No, because he is a jerk.

The hump never demanded any answers about Benghazi, about the Clinton foundation, about her breeching of national security...yet now he has a problem.
He has a problem alright. He is a grandstanding hump with no credibility.
FOX should terminate him immediately.

[formula_2002]

I wish trump was a horse player.
I could easily goad him to double down when he made a bet against my call :cool:

[formula_2002]

"Warren Buffett, one of the greatest investors in the history of recorded math, has a message for President Donald Trump: America is already great.

The billionaire Berkshire Hathaway CEO, one of the most successful investors in the world and the second richest person in America after Bill Gates, waded into politics in an annual letter to shareholders on Saturday."

[newtothegame]

"Warren Buffett, one of the greatest investors in the history of recorded math, has a message for President Donald Trump: America is already great.

The billionaire Berkshire Hathaway CEO, one of the most successful investors in the world and the second richest person in America after Bill Gates, waded into politics in an annual letter to shareholders on Saturday."
Waded??? He has been in politics for sometime. And when it fits his agenda, when it doesn't, he doesn't. Lets not make it like "Ohhh even Buffet now has something to say".....
He has always had something to say.....

[formula_2002]

Waded??? He has been in politics for sometime. And when it fits his agenda, when it doesn't, he doesn't. Lets not make it like "Ohhh even Buffet now has something to say".....
He has always had something to say.....

he probably just picks his spots like he picks his stocks.:)

[formula_2002]

"Calls for Trump to be replaced by Alec Baldwin at White House press dinner"

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Your thoughts

[woodtoo]

"Calls for Trump to be replaced by Alec Baldwin at White House press dinner"

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Your thoughts

"Mr. President, it seems there are a few Democrats left who haven't become completely unhinged. We need you to keep up the tweets, until the entire DNC
is nothing but raving mad lunatics"

"Sure thing. Whatever I can do to help":headbanger:

[Tom]

"Calls for Trump to be replaced by Alec Baldwin at White House press dinner"

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Your thoughts

Alex Baldwin is a fat slob, and idiot, and an unfit Father.
that good enough?

Are you actually THAT insecure that you think the ramblings a has-been actor have any meaning.

I really feel sorry for you. Seriously.

[formula_2002]

Alex Baldwin is a fat slob, and idiot, and an unfit Father.
that good enough?

Are you actually THAT insecure that you think the ramblings a has-been actor have any meaning.

I really feel sorry for you. Seriously.

Trump could not have said all that better than you.. to quote Trump "SAD"

[PaceAdvantage]

and an unfit Father.Hmmmm....I don't know...some kids could use a little "Baldwin Tough Love" in their life....:pound:

8J0-ZatDHug

[Tom]

So Formula, is THIS the man you hang your hat on for clarity.

[formula_2002]

"Former Labor Secretary Tom Perez was chosen to be the new chairman of the Democratic National Committee on Saturday, defeating Minnesota Congressman Keith Ellison.

Soon after, President Trump tweeted, "Congratulations to Thomas Perez, who has just been named Chairman of the DNC. I could not be happier for him, or for the Republican Party!"

Perez responded by writing, "Call me Tom. And don't get too happy. @keithellison and I, and Democrats united across the country, will be your worst nightmare.""

oh boy, the new norm...
we need a new party
DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS UNITED

[formula_2002]

So Formula, is THIS the man you hang your hat on for clarity.

I'll hang my hat on the 3rd at aqu...

[Clocker]

"Former Labor Secretary Tom Perez was chosen to be the new chairman of the Democratic National Committee on Saturday, defeating Minnesota Congressman Keith Ellison.



The Dems are forming up another circular firing squad, throwing around accusations of voter fraud in this election. :pound:

Apparently, Ellison was supported by the Bernie folks, so his loss is blamed on shady dealings by the establishment Dems supporting the usual crowd of elitists. As might be expected, Hillary best buddy Donna Brazille is up to her neck in it.

I love cheap drama.

http://rightwingnews.com/voter-fraud/democrats-calling-democrats-cheating-dnc-chair-vote/ (http://rightwingnews.com/voter-fraud/democrats-calling-democrats-cheating-dnc-chair-vote/)

[Clocker]

Isn't this racist? :eek:

At the winter meeting to vote for the next leader of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) on Saturday, interim chair Donna Brazile expressed extreme concern about voter fraud and announced that voter ID would be required among voters, to “verify every name and signature.”
http://politistick.com/watch-dem-donna-brazile-concerned-voter-fraud-dnc-chair-election/# (http://politistick.com/watch-dem-donna-brazile-concerned-voter-fraud-dnc-chair-election/#)

[davew]

Isn't this racist? :eek:


http://politistick.com/watch-dem-donna-brazile-concerned-voter-fraud-dnc-chair-election/# (http://politistick.com/watch-dem-donna-brazile-concerned-voter-fraud-dnc-chair-election/#)

can't be racist because Donna is black - just the normal hypocrite democrat standards

[Tom]

But still, above all else, she is a pig.
A she is a Black woman trapped inside a Hefty bag.
A worthless lying cheater with no integrity or honor.

[formula_2002]

"White House Said to Kick Off Infrastructure Planning Thursday"

here is how I see the next 4 years.
more jobs than qualified people to fill them
fewer people in the work force.
higher priced goods, higher paying jobs

I'm talking Inflation with a capital "I"

[formula_2002]

"Fair Grounds
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[formula_2002]

winner 3 horse play $1 bet returned $1.88

[woodtoo]

winner 3 horse play $1 bet returned $1.88

So you're not blaming the Russians?

[formula_2002]

So you're not blaming the Russians?

no not this time:)

just posted the play to this site incorrectly...actually, maybe it was the Russians

[formula_2002]

That's what America is about, a land of dreams and opportunity," Carson said. "There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less. But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters, might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land."carson has become a student of TRUMP SPEAK